A Very Personal Stab Into Hunter Wittebane | Owl House Analysis
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2023
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If I were a more secure person at this moment in spacetime, I could also loop in Hunter's whiteness and how learning that the privileges you enjoy and strictures you live by are jointly built on a generational power structure that traps people within its horrid mire and doesn't even guarantee your own wholistic safety in that structure, but 1) I thought of it too late and 2) I have too much anxiety about people being mean to me in my fledgeling comments.
Y'all have a swell day now ♡
Shoutout to Idle Scree for their Way More Research Based/Crowdsourced Takes about Hunter and his role in the plot, all the analysis I do is like. WAY more personal than that X3
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Also just to let you know Jesus would totally punch bellows in the face If that makes you feel better❤
That's because you're doing a different thing than Scree! This is a personal testimonial, an emotion unpacking of how your own painful experiences resonate with thos art. Yours is a different genre of video - that of a young person stating their truth, and how this wonderful show illustrates it
Two Cakes: We see the flaws when we compare our works to others, but for the consumer all that matters is having more options.
Today I heard a priest denounce trans people and preach acceptance in pretty much the same breath...
dang :/
we love hypocrisy don't we :'))
thaaats religion for you, lol..
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@@riv3rw4ter Then they say that the other side is hypocritic... LOOK AT YOU!!!
"If you don't have your own religious trauma store bought is fine" will be forever seared into my mind and I am grateful for that
Grew up in an Evangelical Conservative family... I remember trying to recruit my friends, grappling with my sexuality and gender, and being told, "Don't ask that question." whenever I would ask what I thought were basic ideas. This video really explains why I really like Hunter.
Evangelicals are some of the worst in the Christian community. the overwhelming majority are walking talking hypocrites they preach but don't Practice what they preach
I think Willow's parents put her in potions because Terra Snapdragon scared the shit out of them as kids.
Her parents put her in Abominations, but oh my goodness that would make a TON of sense, especially since I think we saw a glimpse of them in Them’s The Breaks, Kids
it was also because there was more job opportunities for the abomination track i think
@@ChaosEnthusiast it was exactly that
@@ChaosEnthusiastmaybe that was a lie because she would probably say “nah I can handle that” just a theory.
@@artikulv731
Plant coven leader: insane, might make their daughter mulch
Darius: relatively chill dude they knew in school
I think the most fascinating part of Hunter to me as a character, is that he's a really rare depiction of PTSD. Most of the time in media, when someone is trying to heal from trauma, it's about finding who they are "deep down", and often the media doesn't recognize that quite often, that trauma can carry with you for the rest of your life, it can be harder to deal with some days, it can be easier to deal with on others, but it's there, it's not something hiding your true self, it's changed your core in a way you wish it didn't.
Inflicting Trauma on another person is effectively warping their entire spirit without their consent. Actually, this part isn't even necessarily Hunter, it's more Luz, she's helped herself get to things she did like but she's definitely not the same as she was at the beginning.
Hunter however, he's a whole different beast, and this is where it can hurt, Hunter has effectively been traumatized since his creation, effectively meaning his whole being has been molded by Belos, both literally and metaphorically. Hunter isn't finding who he is without trauma, he's INVENTING a him but accepting that the trauma still happened. He's forging a new identity from scratch since the old one is predicated on lies and coercion. He can't be The Golden Guard anymore, but he also knows that he's always been the golden Guard. So Hunter has to decide who he is, he finds Wolves and decides he loves them. He didn't know what wolves were, he had no prior affinity for Canines, he DECIDED he likes wolves, he made a choice entirely disconnected from Belos and his Trauma because he's not reconstructing anything, he's making something new, he sees himself in O'Bailley because he's a clone who's trying to make a new identity outside of his resemblance to another person with another life and memories and dreams.
What's interesting is that Hunter is also largely in the mindset of being as self-sufficient as possible because then he's not being a burden and can more effectively help Belos. this is likely due to a combination of the specific Religious Trauma as well as Major Neglect, as has been pointed out, look at the boy's face, that scar, in a world with healing magic.
If you think about it, just about everyone has their own version of what happened to Hunter. Sure, maybe not in a religious sense, but they had their own awakening and/ or realization. Eda came to realize that she didn't have to push away others because of the curse. Luz wanted to be understood. Etc. Each person grew and came to understand their world and themselves better.
I agree with everything in this video, with one exception: It's Hunter Demonne, you can't convince me otherwise
What is that?
@@The_Void0001 Darius's last name
@@cursedkaleidoscope oooh, thanks!
Hunter Noceda ;)
@@Turai12 Naah Darius is an awesome dad
Cannot stop laughing at the fact Isaac manages to sneak it’s way into any religious trauma related media discussion
It is _The_ Religious Trauma Game, and It Deserves It.
If Chapak didn’t have a stick shoved up where the sun doesn’t shine then maybe Dana could’ve gone a more Hunchback of Norte Dame and included some more intense and slightly more obvious foreshadowing into Belos’s character and explored the Puritanism that permeated 1600s Connecticut and how Phillip infected parts of it into the Isles
I think the inspiration for Philip is the self proclaimed Witch finder general Matthew Hopkins who was active during the English civil war and lead a mass of Witch hunts in the parliamenty/puritan dominated areas in the country
In fact he ended up inspiring witch hunts in the Colonies via his book The Discovery of Witches including a hanging in Connecticut and his methods were used during the Salem witch trials.
Also when Luz calls Belos a witch hunter he corrects her and says Witch finder
i am so happy that others interpreted this way because i kinned hunter because i have religious trauma. the emperors coven reminded me of my experience with private christian school. it may seem stupid, but seeing how isolated hunter was from other kids really hit close to home
Same, growing up I was in a school with less than thirty people, we had bible class in the morning, we had bible history, our science was bible based, everything was bible based, we weren’t allowed to criticize anything even if we were right, I was told that people like me deserved to die and was taught that I was only gay because I was letting myself be, I hated myself for that. Christian school was such an experience and is about 80% of why I have religious trauma
@@kespblaze8560 gosh do these things still exist ??? that's what is civilized 21th century ????
I am also someone who grew up in a toxic southern evangelical household, couple that with being a PK(Pastor's Kid) and that makes my experience EXACTLY like Hunter's, for me, my dad was my Belos, and I was hunter, I was indoctrinated much like him and yourself, told about how lgbt people were horrid and about how we would burn for all of eternity if we went against christianity, and fear was the number one thing that I felt for about 16 and 1/2 years, the thing that controlled me, and usually for most people who grew up similar to us, church was the worst of it, but in my case, my dad quite literally is the church, so it was church everyday, for every week, every year, I was never free from control and manipulation, I had to be the perfect pastor's kid, and we moved, dear god we moved, every church seemed to be worse than the last, more ancient, more idiotic, and more annoying, granted it was probably just my growing awareness of the whole situation, what really got me out of it was realizing it was all just a means of control, you control what people want (avoidance of death, happiness, a healthy community, all things that the church promises but never delivers on), and you control the people, and in my case the house, this, coupled with my growing interest in scientific method, philosophy, psychology, and various world mythologies(+by proxy how cults operate) allowed me to put the pieces together to see that ........ well that my life up until that point was a lie, but leaving the religion was the best thing I have ever done
Glad you left that situation. I haven’t been in one like that but it sounds pretty bad.
@@gailasprey7787 oh I am still there, I only left religion, but I am still in a religious household as a trans girl sooo....
So much emotion put into this script, it really gave me chills how much you sound like him when you speak for him almost like you know exactly what he would say and it sounded just as such!
very impressive but I can also tell with that that you have been through the rocky waters of religious trauma/trauma in general aswell, I can only hope you are in a better place now, amazing video : D
Im so glad hunter can speak to so many different people, i think i knew this from the moment i saw him 😅
Hahaha *stab* … *Wittebane* … ok I see what u did here
I absolutely flipped when I realized that the art in the background was an Epithet Erased character card. Stunning art that especially stunned me when I got the reference.
I can’t even begin to imagine the amount of shit you’ve had to go through. Idk what I’d call my situation because it’s all internal and wasn’t influenced by anyone in particular, but it is nowhere near the horror you’ve experienced. I’m so glad this show and Hunter specifically gives you comfort, and I’m very proud of you for seeing through the bullshit you were fed for I don’t even know how long. I hope you have a good day💛
I feel like the coven system wouldn't have been so bad without the sigils that lock up potential for any other kind of magic... because like, most people like to focus on a particular thing in their education and career path- heck, that's what college majors are for. So I think that if it was like "Okay you can join a coven if you want, but you don't have to, and if you do you'll still be able to access other forms of magic" that would have been great.
I agree with all of this. Although for the record, it’s Hunter Noceda, not Wittebane.
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I’m not crying your crying it’s just allergies 😭
the way you read the script gave me chills. this is so good. commenting to support you
I could feel years of anger leaving me while listening to this angry “Belos is irredeemable and everyone hates him” kind of thing.
I couldn't relate to hunter at all before this video, my impressions of him have changed almost completely in the past 18 minutes. Now I relate alot.
I had been dying for a video discussion on this exact thing. I don't feel like there's enough video analysis on Hunters character and how well done and relatable it is.
I adore this movie and the cartoon saloon studio on a whole, and I'm always happy to see discourse about both. Well done indeed! I also noticed a lot of parallels with the characters, almost in a wizard of oz kind of style-- the ferryman has the same design as the memory-haired man in the well. Both are grasping at memories of better days; trying, clumsily as they can, to maintain a semblance of positivity through sentiment. Connor is Mac Lear, himself becoming an island after failing to control his own grief, leaving his mother (paralleled by Macha) to control him, for better or worse. Macha and the grandmother both manage their feelings with jars, the witch by locking her emotions in the glass, the human by abusing medication. Both Macha and the grandmother regulate the people around them because they don't see others regulating themselves to the "proper" standard. Every time i watch this movie, i get more and more out of it, and I've introduced all my friends to it.
Fascinated by how this comment obviously made in response to an Entirely Different Video made its way to me. My top theory is the video on whatever this movie is was going in one of like 10 different tabs and this comment landed under the tab containing religious trauma instead of emotional control/repression.
I can tell by your voice that the character and overall storyline really got home for you
And I’m sorry you had to go through that
And I hope you can find your own sense of peace
And I would love to donate but genuinely can’t afford it right now
It's always great to find a new and small channel before it blows up! The way you talk about this stuff and write your scripts is just fantastic, and you definately deserve far more attention.
love this video and also EPITHET ERASED ART?!???
I grew up mormon as the “son” of the Stake president so i was in an extremely similar situation to hunter and his entire arc just broke me 😭😭😭
Very cool video! As someone who's also seen that Idle Scree video you were concerned about, I'm glad to have watched both.
If I had one complaint, it would be about the Belos-perverted-existing-religion thing. Yes, Lilith called the Titan's Skull sacred ground, but she was also raised in the time of Belos. During Hollow Mind, when we see Philip's first outings as Belos and he claims to be able to speak to the Titan, the response is "Wait, how? The Titan's dead". They don't believe him until things start exploding and cities start burning.
It was always my headcanon that religion didn't really exist in the Boiling Isles until Philip came along, and the reason Lilith sees the Skull as sacred ground was because Belos declared it as such to keep people away from the Collector, the golden graveyard, the grimwalkers, and anything else he didn't want them to see.
See that's a good point and a very fun and valid headcanon, and I did think about if that notion was a Belos invention as I wrote it down, but _when_ Lilith said that, Phillip responded 'That must be why everyone is so hesitant to accompany me here.' which is the very thing that inspired me to add that section in the first place.
Just because the people of the isles understand the Titan itself to be dead, doesn't necessarily mean they don't revere the Titan in a religious manner. Religion in and of itself is like. Way More Diverse than a lotta people I've encountered give it credit for, because a lot of people's ideas of 'religion' is a binary between 'Monotheistic god worship akin to christian evangelism' and 'Polytheistic god worship a la The Codified List of Olympians or the Japanese myths the anime characters I like will reference sometimes'. The people revere the Titan as if the Titan were a god because the Titan is incomprehensibly old and powerful, and they are living upon its easily mapped out body. They are careful not to enter the Titan's skull frivolously because King's Dad is the reason they have a place to call home, and it is disrespectful to treat the Titan's former locus of thought and creativity with anything less than quiet reverence. Also because there is a highly dangerous creature living in the chamber behind the puzzle door, because as is the case with a lot of older religions and mythologies, a lot of Freaky And Dangerous Phenomena is most easily explained and retained via stories and little superstitions. Artemis will fuck you up if you overstep the bounds of her domain, so Don't Fuck With Her Domain. People disappear when they go into that forest, there's probably weird fairy magic going on.
This..... got away from me a little..? But I guess what I'm trying to say is that a god doesn't need to be alive for someone to respect and revere it, and worship and reverence are different things.
@@starsinajamjar I can see that. I guess I'd chalked it up to Philip's poker face. He never believed Luz's story about being crab maidens, but he never outwardly expressed doubt either. So when Lilith mentioned the Skull being sacred ground, I just imagined his thought process being 'What? Sacred ground? No one's ever said that before. Eh, but if it's what this witch believes I'll roll with it' "Ah, yes THAT must be why no one wanted to come with me. Certainly not because I keep leaving them for dead or anything". He just agrees with people until he has what he wants.
But you raise some good points as well, I'd forgotten that that was where the Stone Sleeper and the puzzle door were. Overall, I just wish we'd gotten to see more. More of the society from Elsewhere and Elsewhen, or more glimpses from Belos' memories to be able to flesh out the world more. Damn Disney for cancelling this show.
So THATS why hes one of my favorite characters (besides the palismans)
holy shit this is an amazing analysis. the emotion you put into it makes this feel very genuine. love this
I grew up in (and still live in) a very religious/spiritual Pentecostal household. I was told to believe everything they would preach and say from the bible and if I don't then I'm a sinner that should burn in hell. This is the whole reason why I relate to Hunter so much; I always saw Belos as a religious leader and Hunter as a person going through religious trauma. And considering that he's canonically bisexual and he shares some of my autistic symptoms makes me relate to him even more.
As a trans dude who's omni and aroace spec while also being autistic, let's just say I was considered "different" growing up. I was a weirdo for not talking to people and not even looking at them if I was talking to them and having "sinful" interests (FNaF being a major one). Being a "boy in a girl's body" and not having an interest in romance used to drive my very spiritual mother up the wall and it still does to this day. When I was around 12 years old, I started to question everything they were telling me bc it only just hit me how illogical all of it is. None of what they were saying is scientifically possible no matter how you take it and their interpretation of the bible seemed off to me (they took it in an emotional sense while I took it literally). I found out 2 years later that I was "different" from the other Pentecostal kids bc I didn't agree with everyone else and my mother is naturally manipulative and likes putting all of her stress on me and the fact that I even *questioned* if this was real or not made me think that I am going to burn in hell after suffering on Earth during the rapture.
Now I'm 14 turning 15 later this year, I'm going through it pretty roughly rn but I can make it out bc I have my friends from school who are also LGBTQ+ and are the equivalent of Flapjack :) and also, I finally accepted that I can think for myself, not think how everyone wants me to
and I'm an atheist there's that too
you know i am honestly wondering how i'm only discovering you now you're so good
I came here for a cool video essay (which i got) but then i saw the finished drawing and was like "Epithet erased????? Holy shit!!!!" I wish i could subscribe/like this video twice
Amazing video!
Well thanks algorithm! What a great video. Also, captions! Love to see it.
This is a great video, mate :3
sometimes i wonder if there are these actions hunter does that is like remnants of the coven, like how an atheist might say the name of the god they used to believe unintenionally or how they might feel guilty when they do something that used to be a sin for them, i wonder if sometimes hunter still thinks about the titans plans for him
This is such a cool video!
This was indeed, A very personal stab...
Okay but anyone else noticed numerous parallels between She-Ra and TOH ?
I think Hunter is one of them, as his situation reminds me A LOT of S5 Hordak. I mean. They're literal clones of an abusive parental/brother/role model figure who has evil plans of world domination. Much like Hordak, Hunter actually believes he's doing the right thing when he does all his missions (well at least he's not responsible for a world war lol.)
They both do what they do to earn that parental figure's approval. And what do they get for their service ? Nothing. Just the reminder of how they're useless (both being disabled in a way). Ah the gaslight.
Oh and did I mention said parental figures both have an enormous god complex and are the leaders of their own evil cult ?
Of course Hordak is not nearly as traumatized as Hunter is, but his life purpose has been twisted as well so
Hordak literally goes through brainwashing, so he is a victim of r trauma, and since I see a few parallels between his experience on that particular field and Hunter's, I can 100% agree with the fact they both are victims of religious trauma.
That shows that characters with very similar concepts but different personnalities and storylines can actually work well
thanks for coming for my ted talk lol
Welp I did not grew up in a cult but there was a very clear crack between me and my mother once she learned I was bi and even more when I came out as atheist
I understand everything you say. It’s so well said and overall a great video. But that art is insanely good.
The way that I didn't even get halfway through the video, was already thoroughly desensitized in my hate for the modern Christian religion, and already knew Belos was a religion nut allegory, and yet you still were handholding me down memory lane of myself going through everything you were describing Hunter living and experiencing. That hit me so deep and I didn't even realize I kin Hunter till now because he is just actually me. Thank you for making this, I'm going to finish the video now.
Sometimes I wish mfs would look up what otherkin means bc there's a word for what you're feeling and it's not that lol find a wiki
ok i just wanna say a) this is the first video essay i’ve watched and i’m definitely hooked lmao b) this was really well done!! you nearly made me cry actually so good job HAHA c) i’m using this as a source for a school project😎😎 anyway have a great day!!
I would *highly advise against* using someone's completely unsourced video essay about a cartoon boy as a source in a project you are making for a grade unless that project is somehow *about* the public reception of that cartoon boy.
@@starsinajamjar the project is literally about the cartoon boy lmao
@@shroomsyblooms Ah, excellent, we love projects about cartoon boys in this house
17:01 I know how you feel.
Also Belos hits all the notes of a serial killer.
A.G.
Artists don't need to eat silly. We photosynthesize. Maybe chew on some old manuscripts if we get a bit peckish
I consider myself moderately religious (I have my beliefs but I don’t try to force them onto others) and it always makes me sick when I see stories and videos of people using religion not to find spirituality or to put their efforts towards something charitable, but instead as a way to control others, to force others to share their personal views without questioning if those views should exist, or to simply profit from those who feel so desperate for any type of religious or spiritual salvation that they are willing to sacrifice everything just to ultimately line the pockets of some malicious religious leader.
Religion can be better but it being depicted as “the antithesis of science and logic” as well as all those who use religion for power, control or money actively drive away those with common sense, leaving behind religious nuts, those who haven’t yet realised that they are being manipulated by those religious nuts, and those who feel trapped by those religious nuts with no escape.
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this is why i just stick to the core ideals of Christianity 10 commandments, take care of those less fortunate pray now and then and nothing more
i love this
3:44 belos is self described Jesus /j
So underrated!!!💖🌺💮
This hurts a lot Ty for the video but still hurts
Wow that video was all over the place but I don't think theres any better way you could have communicate that worlwind of emotions and trauma. I hope your still doing well
It's Hunter Clawthorne or Hunter Noceda.
This video when people don't believe me after I explain how the owl house is about destroying theocratic fascism
Good job, i subscribe now
it is SO clear you have religious trauma I'm sorry (I probably do too)
Hunter' got to be darius's kid right? Like, he's not a whitabane. Forget his last name though🤷♀️
Don't know if you've finished the show yet, but hunter was confirmed to be a grimwalker, essentially a clone of a dead person, in this case belos/Phillip's younger brother from allllllll the way back in the 1600s
IS THAt AN EPITHET ERASED-
Quick question: epithet erased
You Know It. (I Am Unwell Over Lorelai Blyndeff)
I’m the thousandth like. oh. my. god.
Comment for the algorithm
I may not be able to support you in any other way, but hopefully I can help others see the video and support you in that way
hay i hear the way you talk about this and your voice, i want to make sure... are you ok? do you want to make a vent? or just talk about it?
I don't publicly talk about or vent things I'm in the thick of working through because I deserve more privacy than that. I wouldn't have made the video if I wasn't secure in this aspect of my life, my emotional delivery of my script is Just How I Talk. I could get emotional over a single sentence about an ant being lonely; I am a very cartoonish person.
@@starsinajamjar that's completely fine just making sure your ok
It sucks the some of people in my religion are in groups that are more cults then religions it makes me sad 😢
I used to try to be progressively religious as a young adult, but then I realized my teenage self was right all along: it's all a pile of bs, no matter how many fantastic pieces of art and literature praise it. It's nothing but mythology and should be treated as such.
Ayup. It's catholic
Thankfully my parents did not feel the need to instill religion in me as a child but the rest of my family on my mother's side was dedicated to Pentecostalism and did not like me very much for questioning the things they did and why they did them that way. I would often inquire my cousins on why they must wear skirts, have long hair and not wear makeup as these were all foreign concepts to me- often they would respond with something along the lines of "because we're not supposed to." or "It's evil." I thought these were terrible justifications, I was not supposed to touch the oven because it was hot, I was not supposed to get into stranger's cars because they might hurt me, religion is purely an easy way to control people. It invades every aspect of their being from a young age, it forms them. This is what it really looks like to be groomed into an ideology. It scared me as a kid, and I believe I was correct to be scared. Many years later I went to a graduation for one of my cousins, it was a private Christian school. I was about 17, and it horrified me to watch these amazing young people denounce their accomplishments in the name of the Lord. They did not one ounce believe in themselves, they believed that God had done everything, that without the Lord and without God they'd be nowhere, they were nothing. It shook me, it still does. Evangelism is a horrible disease that plagues our country with hate, misinformation, and is ultimately, un-American to it's core. What a horrible place to be raised, I hope that everybody who managed to get out get's the time necessary to heal.
Its not Hunter Witterbane, he is a clone of Caleb Witterbane but that my friend is Hunter Noceda.
Why is no one talking about the fact that Hunter is Pinocchio? He was a clone, so basically not a “real” witch (he had red eyes and couldn’t do magic) but after he d!ed and came back to life his eyes changed colors and he had Flapjacks magic 🪄 … Flapjack made him a real boy
I am at fsy rn 🫠