And have been Portugal's ally through the very worst of times. The UK is really good at making good on its promises to white european countries. Not so great at keeping promises it makes to everybody else.
@@jamesk5541 Meanwhile, Grover Cleveland became the president. Then, he stopped being the president never to be seen again. Until he became president again.
Interestingly, I read somewhere that Napoleon III's government once offered take over the protector role of Belgium from Britain, but the British refused as they feared this would cause too much strife and be seen as provocative by the major German states (notably Prussia).
@@thunderbird1921 Finally, a state was created by the English to bring together 2 peoples who hated each other: the Dutch speakers and the French speakers. Today, almost two centuries later, they still do not understand each other. They have different political parties, different newspapers and refuse to speak the other's language. Everything would have been much simpler if after the Napoleonic wars, all these French-speaking lands had remained French.
@@olivierlarrieux8261 I've often said that Belgium really isn't a country, but more a loose union of 2-3 microstates under one crown, and that share a parliament (we must not forget the German region). It's one of the most bizarre "nations" I've ever seen.
Excellent video! Most Belgians aren't really aware of this but in 1790 we already declared our independence once as the "United Belgian States" after a revolt against the Habsburg emperor. It was however soon afterwards recaptured by the Austrians.
@The Black Order Also, different shape, different shades of colors and different arrangement. But I guess it's hard to tell apart for the blind and stupid.
@@Whatareyoudoinnhere Austrian Netherlands was the most developed province of the Empire, with lot of excellent universities, dense population, highly productive agriculture, rich trade places at the heart of Europe. but yes it was difficult to defend against the French.
We really should spend more time on this dynamic in Dutch history classes. We basically just go: well yea Belgium was with us for like 10 minutes after Vienna, but then it wasn't.
@@crazyciler50 That's probably why they don't teach it, because it makes the king look bad. I also remember in my history books it only mentioned very briefly that Indonesia declared independence. Not one word about a war they fought there.
In my Dutch history classes, we actually talked much more elaborately about it; we even had discussions about it. It depends on your school and your school level. We also paid much more attention to the "politionele acties" KofteG61 mentions in his comment.
@@maddie9602 ISP stands for ISorrowProductions, a youtuber known for playing a wide variety of games. He founded the 'Belgian Lives Matter' movement as a sort of mickey-take of Black Lives Matter
I absolutely love your videos. They are so wholesome and pure compared to the rest of UA-cam. I love the animation, the artwork, your soothing voice. The historical figures are hilarious! Keep up the great work!
It is not like the dutch did any better. Considering everytime Belgium in both ww's put up more of a fight than the Netherlands in 1940. A united kingdom of the Netherlands thus likely wouldn't have been much stronger overall anyway.
@@MDP1702 well it has always been the case that Belgium had a better army then the dutch other then right after the revolution. Even in the sorry state it's in right now it would probably still beat the dutch in a war. All the while the dutch always had and still have the better fleet
3:55 Both Luxembourg and the Province of Limburg were split in 1839. The Grand Duchy was part of the German Confederation and because the GC 'lost' the western part of Luxembourg to Belgium, the eastern part of Limburg became both dutch as part of the German Confederation (until the Prussian-Austrian War in 1866). There was also a neutral part between Belgium and Germany called Neutral Moresnet, that existed for 100 years (Waterloo - WWI).
Very interesting story indeed. I'm from the territory of Neutral Moresnest, it has a different name now though. Not many people know about our history but lots of saxophones and Parisian roofs were made from the zinc mined on our territory. That mine was the reason why we became neutral as the great powers if Europe did not agree amongst themselves who would get it.
That treaty (London) also was where the 3 great powers recognized Belgiums neutrality. Not just Britain, but also France and Prussia (later Germany). Needless to say, in 1914 Germany interpreted this differently from Britain.
neutral moresnet actually existed before belgium, it was made in 1816 as a nation both owned by prussia and the netherlands, since it was one of the only zink mines in europe and they both wanted it
History lesson in the Netherlands was seriously hard. We have like infinite amount of founding dates. To make things even more complicated, the father of William the first was William th fifth
Unfortunately, that's how monarchy works. See William I 's dad was the fifth prince of orange so it makes sense for him to be William V. If William I were to be the prince of orange in the same way his father is, he would be William VI. But instead, he was proclaimed King of the Netherlands and by right as the first king, gets to use William I.
@Pim ik zeg altijd al, ze hadden de Van Zuylen Tuyll moeten vragen voor de rol. Bella de poëet.. ze waren niet volks genoeg, visitez Oud Zuylen maintenant, un librairie voila
@legkip legkip the impression I got from the video is that people were mostly upset because of taxes, and while there were other separating factors, it would not be too far-fetched to say that we could've had a United Benelux in our current day in age, if not for those taxes
@@You-mr3lo But the truth is outside The Netherlands, the terms Holland and Netherlands are interchangable. Like in Eurovison you are The Netherlands, but your Drag Race uses Holland.
@@Nikki-tx6kh No they are not. Tell me what country you are from and ill explain even better. Just say Netherlands. Not Holland. Its insulting to the better part of the country to be named after them.
"Taxes were raised to pay for the king's debts and around half of the country's tax revenue came from the South; yet only 30% of government spending went to it meaning money was simply being funneled to the North. It actually wasn't, not really, it was simply being funneled to the King and his inner circle." Mercantilism is so great lmao
TIL the proper name for the U.S.'s economic system is "mercantalism" That's pretty much the U.S. *especially* under any conservative administration. The less-conservative states have most of the population and industry and pay the vast majority of taxes, while federal expenditures pay for the entire (largely agrarian and low-wage labor) economies of conservative states. These economies are largely built around funneling money into the pockets of the ruling conservatives rich friends (who hire them as "consultants" once they retire from government).
A very cynical comment of History Matters, because Britain never gave a fuck about Belgium (or Portugal). Britain and Germany had been looking for an excuse to go to war with each other ever since 1870 so when Germany supported Austria in its war against Serbia and France supported Russia in defending Serbia against Austria, Germany found itself at war with France and took the short route and Britain had its excuse at last.
@@ixlnxs "Britain and Germany had been "looking for an excuse to go to war with each other ever since 1870", no, Britain really wasn't. They had practiced a policy of "Splendid isolation" since the Napoleonic wars because the British viewed any intervention in Europe as too costly and not worth it. The French and Russians even asked them directly to join the war and they just refused since they didn't want to get involved. If what you say is true and they just wanted , had a staging ground to send their army to, and their reason was basically as good as France's. The British only decided to get involved after they basically had too, you cant just make a guarantee like that and break it when it's convenient (in respect to Europe), the public wouldn't allow it and it would of destroyed their reputation. The invasion (and subsequent warcrimes) that happened to Belgium also heavily pressured the government to fully commit to the war due to public opinion being extremely anti-German, where-as before the public didn't really care What's interesting about your comment is that your little note of "(or Portugal") shows that your claim is motivated by a hatred for Britain and not a desire to actually progress the conversation. Portugal is totally irrelevant to the conversation (and not really comparable to Belgium's relationship with Britain) and you didn't even elaborate on why you mentioned it. It's almost like a child just venting its opinion to destress its anger
@@animatorofanimation128 My reference to Portugal was because the UK only honoured their alliance to Portugal whenever it was convenient, but was more than willing to throw Portugal under the bus when not.
@@ixlnxs why would Britain look for an excuse to go to war with Germany? Britain never wanted war with Germany nor did it have anything to gain. Part of the reason for creating Belgium was to lessen conflict between France and Germany. If Britain wanted to go to war then it would’ve declared war with France at the beginning.
Something that amaze me quite frequently, is that most of recent history of the world can be traced back to Napoleon I, without him so much things maybe won't happened and is a crazy idea
Just a few things. 1. After the 1830 rebellion certain parts of what is now the south of the Netherlands also joind Belgium and stuck with belgium until like 1838. (It was not simply limburg, also parts of Noord-Brabant and Zeeland. 2. The french didn't simply rush in to stop the dutch from taking over Belgium again it was Leopold who used his diplomatix network to get France's help thus confirming to the Belgian politicians that he was a vital part of the country. This would also see him handle most international affairs and hold quite some control over the ministers until like 1848-ish. 3. Atleast name drop 'La muette de Portici' ;) 4. Explain the Belgian flag's origin and how the revolution flag in 1830 was the Brabantian flag. Beside these things it was a really nice video!!!
And our FIag was horizontaI And yeah, most of BeIgian popuIation wasn't happy about the french intervention especiaIIy the Iiégois after how they fucked their revoIution some decades ago against the Bishop. And how the Hennuyers suffers from French occupation during the napoIeonic wars
5. Also mention that most Belgians are Dutch speaking. That "Parc du Bruxelles" thing in the video is anachronistic as fuck. Back then it only had the Dutch name Warandepark, which is still one of the two official names today, of course.
so the opera is widelly debated as far as it's influence, especially since revolutionary riots where already ongoing. I personally believe that was just added because it made for a better story
@@ixlnxs6. Walloons spoke Walloon the language not what we call Walloon now which is a "dialect" of french. the bourgeoisie on both sides spoke french though. And the frenchification was more effective because Walloon and french are kinda what Dutch and German are. Also yes other then the bourgeoisie Brussels and the part around it spoke Brabantian dialects (which are of course dutch dialects ergo dutch, but also not as I assume you meant it)
MJR Schneider If Id made this video it would have been a 5 minute long Wilhelmus followed by the statement that Belgium is Southern Netherlands or nothing. But it’s a good thing not every channel is like mine 😉
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@@miloskocic1759 History with Hilbert, historian UA-camr with a tendency to put earrape with the Wilhemus in his videos.
I would really like to see a video about Serbia from the Berlin congress (1878) untill the end of WW1 (1918) or around that period, it's very interesting to see the transition between Austria-Hungary and Serbia from being friends to WW1.
@@saladbruh2625 Yes, when I think there are even more things, we can even go to 1840s when Serbs in Vojvodina sided with Austria, thus stepping on Hungarian toes which they never forgave and Austrians never repaid, then decrease of Ottoman power, thus Serbia loosing its purpose as an Austrian ally and a buffer state- with its expansionist ambiton this only worsen. Of course the Russian activity in the region with Austrian betrayal of Russia in Crimean war, and the international suport for Serbs during the Herzegovina uprsing, Serbian internal violence between pro-Austrian Obrenovic and pro-Russian Karadjodjevic, the rise of Austrian project of Yugoslavism (J.J. Strossmayer) and Croatian catholic nationalism to counter Serbian orthodox nationalism, then finally Bosnian occupation amd Berlin congress. A lot of shit, this could even be a 10 min..
@@ComptGeorges exactly all those factors. When Serbia stopped being of use to Austria-Hungary as a buffer state because ottomans were weak and they have occupied Bosnia so there was no more need for a territory that was called "Vojna krajina" or a millitary sector that was once the border that Habsburg empire and ottomans shared and was populated by serbs whose task was to protect the Habsburg empire. There serbs had nicer pay them other serbs of the empire and better lives but the sector was abolished in i think 1888 because it was of no use anymore and serbs there lost their status and were not happy. And most of that territory was in Croatia and serbs back then were at least 40% of population in Croatian territories. They were untill WW2 as well but where either killed or forced to leave by the Ustasa during the war.
1:16 It was indeed slave-trade that was abolished, but slavery itself continued to be legal until 1863 (and applied until the 1870s as compensation for plantation-owners in the Caribbean and Surinam) - contrary to what the sign said
@ (1) Slavery was fully legal within the Dutch Empire. The Netherlands decided everything that happened within this empire. (2) Slavery was phased out slowly, and it were the slaves, rather than the Dutch government, that paid for this transition. (Btw the US Civil War was caused by the will of the South to EXPAND slavery, in order to sway the Senate in their favor. The idea to abolish slavery only happened later on.) (3) Slaves never were "cheap", meaning that the rate at which they had to work to death didn't differ notably. And if economics dictated anything, it was that punishment for escape was intensified. It also meant planters engaged more in lease-contracts for slave-labour, so you never worked with the slaves that only you possessed. Slavery didn't abate until it was abolished.
@@sirwolfnsuch 'Slavery was fully legal within the Dutch Empire.' That is actually wrong. In the Homeland Netherlands slavery was actually 'officially' illegal. A slave could get 'officially' his freedom when he got in the Netherlands itself. Of course this was a grey area practically. But most of the time there were very few slaves in the Netherlands itself and if they where there they acted as servants for the rich people most of the time.
All the Catholics be like. We don't want a protestant king speaking a foreign language. The first Belgian king they chose was an aristocratic German speaking protestant. Because that makes sense?! Great content by the way. Keep up the good stuff ;)
For the sake of DipIomacy, and "neutraI" cuIture (Imagine now, if they choose the Count of Hainaut or an Aristocrat from FIanders, how messy it wiII be)
@@Valandix They probebly would have chosen a Wallonian French speaking aristocrat. It where mostly French speaking bourgeoisie who wanted independence or annexation by France.
@@jandevries1300 Probably not a walloon (wallonian is not the correct form btw ^^) since most of the elite was were french speaking flemish, most of them coming from Brussel. Furthermore, only a part of the bourgeoisie wanted to be a part of France for one moment, it was the industrial bourgeoisie that feared economical consequences and wanted to still be connected to a big market. That's why the pro-french lobby was almost exclusively constituted from orangists that previously advocated for the reunification with the Nertherland. They changed their stance when it was no longer possible.
It seems that the Liberals their part in the revolution are often forgotten. The Liberals and Catholics worked together (Monsterverbond) to protest against Willem I, and later run a country together. Leopold I was known for being sympathetic to the liberal cause, which made all the Liberals to vote for him. This, and his diplomatic ties to the Great powers, were reasons why he was chosen to be King by Congress.
I'm from that area of Limburg, which William I gained because he really, really wanted Maastricht. (Or more likely, the coal fields in the south.) And this is why the Netherlands have a funny shape. The northern border between Belgium and the Netherlands is pretty old (and pretty odd in Baarle-Hertog/Baarle-Nassau), the border with Germany is even older, but that funny bit sticking out from the bottom, wedged between Belgium and Germany, is because the Dutch troops always held on to Maastricht. So from 1830 to 1839 the area was predominantly Belgian, and representatives were sent to Brussels. After the Netherlands formally (and begrudgingly) accepting Belgian independence, the eastern, Dutch half of the province of Limburg became a duchy, with the Dutch King as the duke, and part of the German League. Why? To compensate the German League for the loss of part of Luxembourg to Belgium. After the collapse of the German League in 1866, the area finally became a province of the Netherlands again. But whereas each province has a Commissioner of the King (or Queen), the one in Limburg is unofficially referred to as the Governor. Just because this changed 157 years ago doesn't mean we should all of a sudden call this person "Commissioner of the King". And whilst every province has a "provinciehuis" (province house), the one in Limburg is called the Gouvernement.
And let's not forget Belgium's first king Leopold I, was the widowed husband of the presumptive heir to the British Throne Princess Charlotte and he was beloved enough by the British Government and people that even after Princes Charlotte died, he continued getting a subsidy from the Brits. Plus, Queen Victoria treated him as a favorite uncle.
Well, they forced us to be neutral and basically a shield and didn't invite us to a conference about our own destiny... but at least they honoured their pledge. Win some lose some, I guess.
Another reason for discontent was power share. Brussels and The Hague were capitals for half of the time each, and political power in parliament was split quite evenly, although the Southern Netherlands had almost twice the population of the Northern Netherlands.
I've been liking the new video formats! But I liked the longer, more in depth videos as well. Should we expect shorter videos like this from now on? Or will you still do 10min+ videos?
Funny is, since 1866 the Dutch still hold a part of Limburg, cultural part of the former Southern Netherlands. That country has very strange borders now.
Saying Belgium named itself Belgium after the region's name in Latin, is kind of true, but not really. The southern Netherlands had been known by that name for a while. So it wasn't like they had to invent a new name.
why i love being British? most of our history is spiting France just, because. amazed we even became allies, but you know what they say: 'you're greatest adversary will always be your greatest friend'
Believe it or not, but since 1066, we went to war with eachothers every single century (well, except the XXe century, and even there, we almost went to war in 1898 at Fachoda)
Whenever I think about this period I always wonder how things would have turned out if William I had just been more tactful and managed to keep the United Kingdom of the Netherlands united. I can’t help but think that the Dutch-Belgians would have still just been a glorified speed bump between France and Germany. But colonially? How would their relationship with Britain be? Would the Belgians have pushed for a more extensive colonial empire or would they have seen that as merely being a Dutch exercise? I have no idea. But it’s interesting to think about.
well king leopold 2 got the congo (yes he specificly not belgium the country) because 1) he promised free trade to all great powers. 2) king of a neutral country 3) promised to make them all good Catholics and ending slavery (except no being a total dick instead(which cost Leopold the colony and it was given to Belgium and which also almost cost Belgium the colony because they ended the free trade) The united Netherlands would not get it because 1) The dutch being an almost great power (or even a great power if they got the jewel of Africa the Congo) 2) Very not neutral 3) where pretty fond of their slavery and would not be believed if they promised to end it (which would upset the British) and not catholic but protestant (which would upset the french and Germans) IDK who would've gotten it in their place but I severely doubt the dutch would get the Congo. Any colonial gains they would have to go get themselves which they might've done but I hope this somewhat answers your question on the colonial part. As relations go though my guess is "pretty much the same"
Only the bourgeoisie and aristocracy, both Flemish and Walloon, was speaking French; in what is today French-speaking Belgium, the vast majority of people spoke a Walloon dialect, which is a different language than French, and not mutually intelligible. Now they speak French because it was forced down upon them by the rich elite.
The south of the Netherlands; Noord Brabant is actually a province that's pretty much entirety catholic too. As a rule in the Netherlands; anything below the rivers (rhine waal and meuse) is catholic, so the religious differences with Belgium weren't delineated by the border between Belgium and the Netherlands
I am surprised that when France helped Belgium fight of the Dutch that not Germany/Prussia nor the UK intervened. Especially the UK, I kinda expected that they would stop France and just let the Dutch and Belgians fight. Although I would have expected the Dutch to win.
TheHadesShade I think the Brits were thinking long term. It would reconcile the French to the loss of their former Belgian departments if at least the French - speakers there were given power.
Matti Taneli Hämäläinen sure, but everyone in the Netherlands just calls it the house of oranje rather than the full name so I’d say it’s fine to do the same in English.
Of all your running jokes, reform being represented by a "Be Better" sign is the most underrated.
A favorite of mine is the sign "back luck" always followed up by the execution of the person adressed by it.
@@lolokernic6746 Or the thump whenever someone dies
Sometimes he just says "change stuff"
Fun fact: no
Theres also ''stars yo'' on american flag
To be fair to the UK. They honoured the heck out of that Belgian neutrality deal.
Jackington Foxpickle and whe are very thankfull for it.
It's well documented that the British would have gotten involved anyways, this was just fortunate for them.
Redbad of Frisia fortunate in an unfortunate situation.
And have been Portugal's ally through the very worst of times. The UK is really good at making good on its promises to white european countries. Not so great at keeping promises it makes to everybody else.
@@GenkiGanbare Didn't they only remember Portugal when it was most convenient for them?
"Neither Belgium or the Netherlands were invited in case you were wondering"
hmm...reminds me of another conference....
Which one?
Literally every conference ever
@@cv4809 Munich Agreement, the one where Britain and France decided Czechoslovakia's fate.
*MUNICH CONFERENCE INTENSIFIES*
@@cv4809 treaty of versails?
"Napoleon the 1st, who was exiled, never to be seen again"
**not even 2 minutes later**
"That was, until Napoleon came back"
Germany lost the first world war never to be seen again
Until Germany came back in the second world war
@@jamesk5541 Meanwhile, Grover Cleveland became the president.
Then, he stopped being the president never to be seen again.
Until he became president again.
True, but now Germany is indeed gone forever.
It looks like nobody can defeat Germany fully...only Germany itself can do that...and it did.
Right after they said never to be seen again you can see a subtile "1815 *spoilers*" 0:27
I love this channel.
"Somehow, Napoleon returned..."
"France wasn't allowed to have nice things"
British official foreign policy for over 500 years
*1000
Interestingly, I read somewhere that Napoleon III's government once offered take over the protector role of Belgium from Britain, but the British refused as they feared this would cause too much strife and be seen as provocative by the major German states (notably Prussia).
@@thunderbird1921 Finally, a state was created by the English to bring together 2 peoples who hated each other: the Dutch speakers and the French speakers.
Today, almost two centuries later, they still do not understand each other. They have different political parties, different newspapers and refuse to speak the other's language. Everything would have been much simpler if after the Napoleonic wars, all these French-speaking lands had remained French.
@@olivierlarrieux8261 I've often said that Belgium really isn't a country, but more a loose union of 2-3 microstates under one crown, and that share a parliament (we must not forget the German region). It's one of the most bizarre "nations" I've ever seen.
@@thunderbird1921 try Switzerland :D
They have 4 languages.
2:48 loving the subtle ISP reference!
Lol I wanted to write it...
RULE BELGICA!!
The next video will be less subtle, artillery only challenge
Didn't he already do that... the FIrst World War? @@crusader7659
@@JukeboxTheGhoul That doesn't count, there was spicy wind too
Excellent video! Most Belgians aren't really aware of this but in 1790 we already declared our independence once as the "United Belgian States" after a revolt against the Habsburg emperor. It was however soon afterwards recaptured by the Austrians.
Ewww feudal republics...
🤢
@The Black Order Also, different shape, different shades of colors and different arrangement. But I guess it's hard to tell apart for the blind and stupid.
@@Whatareyoudoinnhere money
Even today the dutch say that belgium got independence in 1839 although it is actualy 1830
@@Whatareyoudoinnhere Austrian Netherlands was the most developed province of the Empire, with lot of excellent universities, dense population, highly productive agriculture, rich trade places at the heart of Europe. but yes it was difficult to defend against the French.
Could you do an episode about the Kalmar Union?
Name checks out
Ragnar Of Scandinavia “please tell me how great I am”
@Hugo No, it isn't.
@Hugo a No it isn't.
@@sarpbakrsoy8125 how late can you be
"Because France isn't allowed to have nice things"
Literally dying of laughter.
That what you get when you have been the envy of Europe post Rome
*Peak France intensifies*
@@francehasbeenthemostimport9558 I N C O R R E C T
Nice things France couldn't keep
Canada ❌
Navarre ❌
Belgium ❌
Army winter uniforms ❌
World Cup 2006❌
Euro 2016 ❌
France has been the most important power post-Rome Your the ‘envy’ of Europe. Lol stop being pathetic
Please do one about the Anglo Dutch wars.
which one? lol
@@g.w.f.212
All of them!
@@g.w.f.212 he says warS
@@g.w.f.212 Yes
Wtf, Belgium isn’t even a real country
-William I
_"It is now."_
_-Leopold I_
Im belgian to be honest sometimes i dont get my country i rather have a full dutch speaking country
@@MajorBluesZ
_Why dont you move to Netherlands instead, you orangist_
Kenny Kenny BurritoTM or i stay here and we form dietsland search it up
@@MajorBluesZ Wich DietsIand, the onIy "Remove WaIIonians" or the "Integrate waIIonians" one?
And yeah, you're a freaking Iunatic
We really should spend more time on this dynamic in Dutch history classes. We basically just go: well yea Belgium was with us for like 10 minutes after Vienna, but then it wasn't.
In belgium we go way deeper, we learned all the flaws of the dutch king and all the scams he tried to pull on the flemish and the french speaker...
@@crazyciler50 That's probably why they don't teach it, because it makes the king look bad. I also remember in my history books it only mentioned very briefly that Indonesia declared independence. Not one word about a war they fought there.
In my Dutch history classes, we actually talked much more elaborately about it; we even had discussions about it.
It depends on your school and your school level. We also paid much more attention to the "politionele acties" KofteG61 mentions in his comment.
@@crazyciler50
Why don't you elaborate; I'm curious.
R. V. B. Omda da meer dan 8 les uren waren en genen tijd heb om tijdens dour daar een synthese van te maken...
'Belgian Lives Matter'
Lol ISP
@Sarcasmal
2:48 - *_William Orange Man Bad_*
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Racist
“ANTI-GERMAN”
What is ISP? I assume you're not referring to Internet Service Providers.
@@maddie9602 ISP stands for ISorrowProductions, a youtuber known for playing a wide variety of games. He founded the 'Belgian Lives Matter' movement as a sort of mickey-take of Black Lives Matter
I absolutely love your videos. They are so wholesome and pure compared to the rest of UA-cam. I love the animation, the artwork, your soothing voice. The historical figures are hilarious! Keep up the great work!
0:52 “If it were independent, it wouldn’t stand too much of a chance in the event of war”
Well, he’s not wrong
It is not like the dutch did any better. Considering everytime Belgium in both ww's put up more of a fight than the Netherlands in 1940. A united kingdom of the Netherlands thus likely wouldn't have been much stronger overall anyway.
@@MDP1702 well it has always been the case that Belgium had a better army then the dutch other then right after the revolution. Even in the sorry state it's in right now it would probably still beat the dutch in a war. All the while the dutch always had and still have the better fleet
@@MDP1702 Belgium wasn't defeated in WW1 though. It was close, but they weren't
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan I didn't say they did? Considering they didn't surrender then, they put up a better fight than the dutch in WW2
0:23 “never to be seen again”
Napoleon 1815: whaddup
0:29 *spoilers*
@Kira youre sad
Sarcasm in these video is very powerful
Can you do the Jacobite Rebellions ?
3:55 Both Luxembourg and the Province of Limburg were split in 1839. The Grand Duchy was part of the German Confederation and because the GC 'lost' the western part of Luxembourg to Belgium, the eastern part of Limburg became both dutch as part of the German Confederation (until the Prussian-Austrian War in 1866). There was also a neutral part between Belgium and Germany called Neutral Moresnet, that existed for 100 years (Waterloo - WWI).
H.Oebele
That was a complicated treaty!
Very interesting story indeed. I'm from the territory of Neutral Moresnest, it has a different name now though. Not many people know about our history but lots of saxophones and Parisian roofs were made from the zinc mined on our territory. That mine was the reason why we became neutral as the great powers if Europe did not agree amongst themselves who would get it.
That treaty (London) also was where the 3 great powers recognized Belgiums neutrality. Not just Britain, but also France and Prussia (later Germany). Needless to say, in 1914 Germany interpreted this differently from Britain.
@@gunterke and Russia
neutral moresnet actually existed before belgium, it was made in 1816 as a nation both owned by prussia and the netherlands, since it was one of the only zink mines in europe and they both wanted it
1:04 That orange dot on the map is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
History lesson in the Netherlands was seriously hard. We have like infinite amount of founding dates. To make things even more complicated, the father of William the first was William th fifth
Unfortunately, that's how monarchy works. See William I 's dad was the fifth prince of orange so it makes sense for him to be William V. If William I were to be the prince of orange in the same way his father is, he would be William VI. But instead, he was proclaimed King of the Netherlands and by right as the first king, gets to use William I.
@@aniqsufyan2113 except if u a Duke of Savoy, who even when the became kings of Sardegna, still kept their numbering
@Pim ik zeg altijd al, ze hadden de Van Zuylen Tuyll moeten vragen voor de rol. Bella de poëet.. ze waren niet volks genoeg, visitez Oud Zuylen maintenant, un librairie voila
Germany invaded neutral Belgium.
UK “ hold my tea”
The Governor nah my dude bring it to the tanks
Belgium: Yo Holland, we want to be independent.
Holland: F*** No
Belgium: I'll give you the 12 points in Eurovision every year.
Holland: Keep talking.
@legkip legkip the impression I got from the video is that people were mostly upset because of taxes, and while there were other separating factors, it would not be too far-fetched to say that we could've had a United Benelux in our current day in age, if not for those taxes
Holland isnt a country..The Netherlands is.
Greetings from a Dutchman (Not a Hollander)
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@@You-mr3lo But the truth is outside The Netherlands, the terms Holland and Netherlands are interchangable. Like in Eurovison you are The Netherlands, but your Drag Race uses Holland.
@@Nikki-tx6kh No they are not. Tell me what country you are from and ill explain even better. Just say Netherlands. Not Holland. Its insulting to the better part of the country to be named after them.
@@RK-cj4oc in arabic we say hollanda to refer to the netherlands we have no word for the netherlands idk why tho.
"Taxes were raised to pay for the king's debts and around half of the country's tax revenue came from the South; yet only 30% of government spending went to it meaning money was simply being funneled to the North. It actually wasn't, not really, it was simply being funneled to the King and his inner circle."
Mercantilism is so great lmao
TIL the proper name for the U.S.'s economic system is "mercantalism"
That's pretty much the U.S. *especially* under any conservative administration. The less-conservative states have most of the population and industry and pay the vast majority of taxes, while federal expenditures pay for the entire (largely agrarian and low-wage labor) economies of conservative states. These economies are largely built around funneling money into the pockets of the ruling conservatives rich friends (who hire them as "consultants" once they retire from government).
Belgium basically became nothing more but a British built speed bump into France
@Will Wow It's actually threepoint of Germany, France, and Great Britain's aspirations and pretences
A gigantic German pit stop on there way too France
How time have changed.
@@buttersurge8047 Sadly yes
At the time, it was more the British built speed bump into Germany, considering the whole Napoleon thing.
“A guarantee Britain would honour 75 years later” (hums God save the Queen with tear in eye)
Wipe that tear away, son and stiffen that bloody lip.
(Hums along)
A very cynical comment of History Matters, because Britain never gave a fuck about Belgium (or Portugal).
Britain and Germany had been looking for an excuse to go to war with each other ever since 1870 so when Germany supported Austria in its war against Serbia and France supported Russia in defending Serbia against Austria, Germany found itself at war with France and took the short route and Britain had its excuse at last.
@@ixlnxs "Britain and Germany had been "looking for an excuse to go to war with each other ever since 1870", no, Britain really wasn't. They had practiced a policy of "Splendid isolation" since the Napoleonic wars because the British viewed any intervention in Europe as too costly and not worth it. The French and Russians even asked them directly to join the war and they just refused since they didn't want to get involved. If what you say is true and they just wanted , had a staging ground to send their army to, and their reason was basically as good as France's.
The British only decided to get involved after they basically had too, you cant just make a guarantee like that and break it when it's convenient (in respect to Europe), the public wouldn't allow it and it would of destroyed their reputation. The invasion (and subsequent warcrimes) that happened to Belgium also heavily pressured the government to fully commit to the war due to public opinion being extremely anti-German, where-as before the public didn't really care
What's interesting about your comment is that your little note of "(or Portugal") shows that your claim is motivated by a hatred for Britain and not a desire to actually progress the conversation. Portugal is totally irrelevant to the conversation (and not really comparable to Belgium's relationship with Britain) and you didn't even elaborate on why you mentioned it. It's almost like a child just venting its opinion to destress its anger
@@animatorofanimation128 My reference to Portugal was because the UK only honoured their alliance to Portugal whenever it was convenient, but was more than willing to throw Portugal under the bus when not.
@@ixlnxs why would Britain look for an excuse to go to war with Germany? Britain never wanted war with Germany nor did it have anything to gain. Part of the reason for creating Belgium was to lessen conflict between France and Germany. If Britain wanted to go to war then it would’ve declared war with France at the beginning.
Being from Belgium, I still find it a strange country to form! Amazing video as always!
Just come back
@@timvanrijn8239 most dutch speaking flamish would.
@@timvanrijn8239 Als we terug komen hoe zullen walen dan vlaams belastigsgeld moeten stelen?
@@oikmijnloly6033 niet das het mooien gaan ze van die franzosen stelen
@@oikmijnloly6033 als we terug gaan, weg met die sossen!
Something that amaze me quite frequently, is that most of recent history of the world can be traced back to Napoleon I, without him so much things maybe won't happened and is a crazy idea
Omg there’s literally a video where he’s talking about something and says “To start, we have to go back to Napoleon… It’s always Napoleon…” lol
In 1839 NL wasn't granted Limburg but only part of it. There are two provinces called Limburg after 1839, one in Belgium the other in NL.
There is also a province in eastern Belgium called Luxembourg, not to be confused with independent Luxembourg.
Just a few things.
1. After the 1830 rebellion certain parts of what is now the south of the Netherlands also joind Belgium and stuck with belgium until like 1838. (It was not simply limburg, also parts of Noord-Brabant and Zeeland.
2. The french didn't simply rush in to stop the dutch from taking over Belgium again it was Leopold who used his diplomatix network to get France's help thus confirming to the Belgian politicians that he was a vital part of the country. This would also see him handle most international affairs and hold quite some control over the ministers until like 1848-ish.
3. Atleast name drop 'La muette de Portici' ;)
4. Explain the Belgian flag's origin and how the revolution flag in 1830 was the Brabantian flag.
Beside these things it was a really nice video!!!
You should do that to educate readers in the comments. And myself haha
And our FIag was horizontaI
And yeah, most of BeIgian popuIation wasn't happy about the french intervention especiaIIy the Iiégois after how they fucked their revoIution some decades ago against the Bishop.
And how the Hennuyers suffers from French occupation during the napoIeonic wars
5. Also mention that most Belgians are Dutch speaking. That "Parc du Bruxelles" thing in the video is anachronistic as fuck. Back then it only had the Dutch name Warandepark, which is still one of the two official names today, of course.
so the opera is widelly debated as far as it's influence, especially since revolutionary riots where already ongoing. I personally believe that was just added because it made for a better story
@@ixlnxs6. Walloons spoke Walloon the language not what we call Walloon now which is a "dialect" of french. the bourgeoisie on both sides spoke french though. And the frenchification was more effective because Walloon and french are kinda what Dutch and German are. Also yes other then the bourgeoisie Brussels and the part around it spoke Brabantian dialects (which are of course dutch dialects ergo dutch, but also not as I assume you meant it)
I love your videos and have watched every single one
Haven't we all? :D
Oooh so cool that later on the benelux became a stable fundament for a united political eurooe just like the intention of the land was in 1813
This should be pinned
“Eurooe”
@@JuniorJuni070never seen a typo?
Isn't "genEurooe" a STD?
@@skeletonrowdie1768 ever used the edit comment tool?
Here before all the G E K O L O N I S E E R D comments
Two minutes early.
Zeg makker
@@Crick1952 dat zijn geen specerijen
Infame Brabanders met een vermakelijk spraakgebrek.
Wafels zijn geen kokosnoten.
"This was rejected by Brittain, because France wasn't allowed to have nice things"!
Dude that ending is so good. Like the tone you said that in is amazing
Just want to say I’m loving the number of videos coming out recently ❤️ keep up the amazing work
Cannot get enough of your videos. Please never quit!
Slightly disappointed. History with Hilbert would have managed to squeeze _at least_ 5 Wilhelmuses into this.
Who he
MJR Schneider If Id made this video it would have been a 5 minute long Wilhelmus followed by the statement that Belgium is Southern Netherlands or nothing. But it’s a good thing not every channel is like mine 😉
@@miloskocic1759
History with Hilbert, historian UA-camr with a tendency to put earrape with the Wilhemus in his videos.
@@historywithhilbert Belgium is southern Netherlands, but some of Southern Netherlands is Belgium
@@historywithhilbert Yeah I know, you're kinda BS each time you're making a video about the Netherlands or Belgium
0:18 You're honestly the most sarcastic UA-camr I've ever seen lol
You've probably never heard of Overly Sarcastic Productions then.
This channel is still more sarcastic
“Because France wasn’t allowed to have nice things” XD
I have no idea why, but your voice is very relaxing
I would really like to see a video about Serbia from the Berlin congress (1878) untill the end of WW1 (1918) or around that period, it's very interesting to see the transition between Austria-Hungary and Serbia from being friends to WW1.
The key word is Bosnia.
@@ComptGeorges among other factors yes
@@saladbruh2625 Yes, when I think there are even more things, we can even go to 1840s when Serbs in Vojvodina sided with Austria, thus stepping on Hungarian toes which they never forgave and Austrians never repaid, then decrease of Ottoman power, thus Serbia loosing its purpose as an Austrian ally and a buffer state- with its expansionist ambiton this only worsen. Of course the Russian activity in the region with Austrian betrayal of Russia in Crimean war, and the international suport for Serbs during the Herzegovina uprsing, Serbian internal violence between pro-Austrian Obrenovic and pro-Russian Karadjodjevic, the rise of Austrian project of Yugoslavism (J.J. Strossmayer) and Croatian catholic nationalism to counter Serbian orthodox nationalism, then finally Bosnian occupation amd Berlin congress. A lot of shit, this could even be a 10 min..
@@ComptGeorges exactly all those factors. When Serbia stopped being of use to Austria-Hungary as a buffer state because ottomans were weak and they have occupied Bosnia so there was no more need for a territory that was called "Vojna krajina" or a millitary sector that was once the border that Habsburg empire and ottomans shared and was populated by serbs whose task was to protect the Habsburg empire. There serbs had nicer pay them other serbs of the empire and better lives but the sector was abolished in i think 1888 because it was of no use anymore and serbs there lost their status and were not happy. And most of that territory was in Croatia and serbs back then were at least 40% of population in Croatian territories. They were untill WW2 as well but where either killed or forced to leave by the Ustasa during the war.
@@saladbruh2625 Well that would be a good educational video.
1:16 It was indeed slave-trade that was abolished, but slavery itself continued to be legal until 1863 (and applied until the 1870s as compensation for plantation-owners in the Caribbean and Surinam) - contrary to what the sign said
@ (1) Slavery was fully legal within the Dutch Empire. The Netherlands decided everything that happened within this empire.
(2) Slavery was phased out slowly, and it were the slaves, rather than the Dutch government, that paid for this transition. (Btw the US Civil War was caused by the will of the South to EXPAND slavery, in order to sway the Senate in their favor. The idea to abolish slavery only happened later on.)
(3) Slaves never were "cheap", meaning that the rate at which they had to work to death didn't differ notably. And if economics dictated anything, it was that punishment for escape was intensified. It also meant planters engaged more in lease-contracts for slave-labour, so you never worked with the slaves that only you possessed. Slavery didn't abate until it was abolished.
@@sirwolfnsuch 'Slavery was fully legal within the Dutch Empire.' That is actually wrong. In the Homeland Netherlands slavery was actually 'officially' illegal. A slave could get 'officially' his freedom when he got in the Netherlands itself. Of course this was a grey area practically. But most of the time there were very few slaves in the Netherlands itself and if they where there they acted as servants for the rich people most of the time.
@ People made shitloads of money with slavetrade, yet people still believe slaves were cheap/worthless. Logic much?
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All the Catholics be like. We don't want a protestant king speaking a foreign language. The first Belgian king they chose was an aristocratic German speaking protestant. Because that makes sense?!
Great content by the way. Keep up the good stuff ;)
For the sake of DipIomacy, and "neutraI" cuIture (Imagine now, if they choose the Count of Hainaut or an Aristocrat from FIanders, how messy it wiII be)
@@Valandix They probebly would have chosen a Wallonian French speaking aristocrat. It where mostly French speaking bourgeoisie who wanted independence or annexation by France.
jan De vries True, the Dutch speaking Flemish in the north only joined the rebellion because the catholic priest preached in favor for it.
@@jandevries1300 Probably not a walloon (wallonian is not the correct form btw ^^) since most of the elite was were french speaking flemish, most of them coming from Brussel. Furthermore, only a part of the bourgeoisie wanted to be a part of France for one moment, it was the industrial bourgeoisie that feared economical consequences and wanted to still be connected to a big market. That's why the pro-french lobby was almost exclusively constituted from orangists that previously advocated for the reunification with the Nertherland. They changed their stance when it was no longer possible.
It seems that the Liberals their part in the revolution are often forgotten. The Liberals and Catholics worked together (Monsterverbond) to protest against Willem I, and later run a country together. Leopold I was known for being sympathetic to the liberal cause, which made all the Liberals to vote for him. This, and his diplomatic ties to the Great powers, were reasons why he was chosen to be King by Congress.
I'm from that area of Limburg, which William I gained because he really, really wanted Maastricht. (Or more likely, the coal fields in the south.)
And this is why the Netherlands have a funny shape. The northern border between Belgium and the Netherlands is pretty old (and pretty odd in Baarle-Hertog/Baarle-Nassau), the border with Germany is even older, but that funny bit sticking out from the bottom, wedged between Belgium and Germany, is because the Dutch troops always held on to Maastricht.
So from 1830 to 1839 the area was predominantly Belgian, and representatives were sent to Brussels. After the Netherlands formally (and begrudgingly) accepting Belgian independence, the eastern, Dutch half of the province of Limburg became a duchy, with the Dutch King as the duke, and part of the German League. Why? To compensate the German League for the loss of part of Luxembourg to Belgium.
After the collapse of the German League in 1866, the area finally became a province of the Netherlands again. But whereas each province has a Commissioner of the King (or Queen), the one in Limburg is unofficially referred to as the Governor. Just because this changed 157 years ago doesn't mean we should all of a sudden call this person "Commissioner of the King". And whilst every province has a "provinciehuis" (province house), the one in Limburg is called the Gouvernement.
And let's not forget Belgium's first king Leopold I, was the widowed husband of the presumptive heir to the British Throne Princess Charlotte and he was beloved enough by the British Government and people that even after Princes Charlotte died, he continued getting a subsidy from the Brits. Plus, Queen Victoria treated him as a favorite uncle.
I love these seemingly random short videos. It always keeps me on my toes on what's next
2 world wars later and the EU headquarters in brussels, Belgium is infact a buffer state.
Nope that was the united kingdom of the nederland's that was the buffer state
I just can’t stop binge watching you
*Distant Angry Dutch noises*
I've learnt more about my history in this
2:48 that isorrowproductions reference!!
I love the portraits in the background.
we all know this actually started becauce we say patat and they say friet.
the southern half of the northern Netherlands (a.k.a. the Netherlands nowadays) also says friet mate
I have to correct you buddy, the correct word is Patat. they can say it yes but we all know its incorrect.
The dish is called Patat, and the things you eat are Frieten
@@sjakierulez no, the vegetable is called patat (in Antwerp)
*sigh* here we go again
"a guarantee it'd honor 75 years later"
And so, much blood was spilled
Well, they forced us to be neutral and basically a shield and didn't invite us to a conference about our own destiny... but at least they honoured their pledge. Win some lose some, I guess.
"Bon jour"
"Get out"
This video/learning format would have saved my high school history grades.
"Bonjour" "Get out >:(" lmao
My Four Time Great Grandfather fought in the Grande Armee at Waterloo.
Also I loved the isorrowproductions joke.
Belgium?
What's that?
I only know southern Netherlands
_*Sovereign Kingdom of Southern Netherlands_
Oh no, it's *WestiIImakebettercheesethanyou Kingdom
@@Valandix neen
@@steyn1775
_Fick dich_
Fighting the good fight ❤️
Another reason for discontent was power share. Brussels and The Hague were capitals for half of the time each, and political power in parliament was split quite evenly, although the Southern Netherlands had almost twice the population of the Northern Netherlands.
I've been liking the new video formats! But I liked the longer, more in depth videos as well.
Should we expect shorter videos like this from now on? Or will you still do 10min+ videos?
“Hands down” greatest thing to happen ever
This part of history isn’t realy known to many people, even in the Netherlands! Love for your topics!
Such a shame that you forgot to mention Van Speijk. 'Dan liever de lucht in" (better go up in the air then) has become legendary.
I'm early, let me think of a reference
"Bonjour
Get out! "
Gee golly, where have I seen that before.
Normie
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!
Funny is, since 1866 the Dutch still hold a part of Limburg, cultural part of the former Southern Netherlands. That country has very strange borders now.
You should know that at least one person in the province of Manitoba wakes up looking forward to your videos :) Keep up the good work!
As a man of Dutch heritage, I wish the UKNL still was around, but have Belgium and Luxembourg be constituent countries as well.
but why tho
Saying Belgium named itself Belgium after the region's name in Latin, is kind of true, but not really. The southern Netherlands had been known by that name for a while. So it wasn't like they had to invent a new name.
Cool topic!
Love these short history lessons. Thank you :-)
why i love being British? most of our history is spiting France just, because. amazed we even became allies, but you know what they say: 'you're greatest adversary will always be your greatest friend'
You’re allies cause Germany was dominating in ww1 and ww2
Believe it or not, but since 1066, we went to war with eachothers every single century (well, except the XXe century, and even there, we almost went to war in 1898 at Fachoda)
Love this Channel
It'd be nice if you did a video about the Rhodesian Bush War
Is that an ISP reference I spot!
Whenever I think about this period I always wonder how things would have turned out if William I had just been more tactful and managed to keep the United Kingdom of the Netherlands united.
I can’t help but think that the Dutch-Belgians would have still just been a glorified speed bump between France and Germany. But colonially? How would their relationship with Britain be? Would the Belgians have pushed for a more extensive colonial empire or would they have seen that as merely being a Dutch exercise?
I have no idea. But it’s interesting to think about.
well king leopold 2 got the congo (yes he specificly not belgium the country)
because
1) he promised free trade to all great powers.
2) king of a neutral country
3) promised to make them all good Catholics and ending slavery (except no being a total dick instead(which cost Leopold the colony and it was given to Belgium and which also almost cost Belgium the colony because they ended the free trade)
The united Netherlands would not get it because
1) The dutch being an almost great power (or even a great power if they got the jewel of Africa the Congo)
2) Very not neutral
3) where pretty fond of their slavery and would not be believed if they promised to end it (which would upset the British) and not catholic but protestant (which would upset the french and Germans)
IDK who would've gotten it in their place but I severely doubt the dutch would get the Congo. Any colonial gains they would have to go get themselves which they might've done but I hope this somewhat answers your question on the colonial part. As relations go though my guess is "pretty much the same"
Thanks for covering the Netherlands.
The more I learn about recent Dutch history, the more I feel like all our monarchs did was fuck things up for the rest of us
WIllem II and Wilhelmina were cool tho
Another interesting one! Thanks!!
Could you do an episode about the rise of the Pahlavi Dynasty in Iran?
These video are so useful and cool
anyone else miss the 10 minute episodes?
I'm willing to wait for longer videos.
I actually love the new format
Maastricht mentioned 😫🤤🤤👑
As a Dutchman: We houden van jullie, België/Nous vous aimons, Belgique.
🇳🇱♡🇧🇪♡🇪🇺
Zelfde terug neef
Just wait until there's a bloody, violent coup and Verhofstadt crowns himself King of the E.U
@@poppedweasel unlikely.
@@theetherealwatcher2953 But not impossible.
Thank you from Indonesia
Only the bourgeoisie and aristocracy, both Flemish and Walloon, was speaking French; in what is today French-speaking Belgium, the vast majority of people spoke a Walloon dialect, which is a different language than French, and not mutually intelligible. Now they speak French because it was forced down upon them by the rich elite.
Yep, and stiII the centraI governement doesn't want to heIp the WaIIonereye Ianguage to survive, so
Nothing changes, these days the "flemish" elite wants to eradicate all flemish dialects.
The south of the Netherlands; Noord Brabant is actually a province that's pretty much entirety catholic too. As a rule in the Netherlands; anything below the rivers (rhine waal and meuse) is catholic, so the religious differences with Belgium weren't delineated by the border between Belgium and the Netherlands
I've always had a soft spot for Belgium, especially after visiting Ypres.
Respect from the UK. 🇬🇧🇧🇪
BRING BACK 10 MINUTE HISTORY
Maybe video about Napoleon's Duchy of Warsaw?
And its Russian version, kingdom of Poland under the tsar, until rebellion of 1831 ?
Tomorrow history exam, thanks for the extra informations
1:48 “It doesn’t matter how many people vote. What matters is who counts the votes.” -Joseph Stalin
hoi4 ahh quote
Please bring back Ten Minute History 🤕
Please do one about the Franco Prussian war
Might wanna bring some lube for French viewers
3:16 anglo french relation for the last 1000 years summed up
I am surprised that when France helped Belgium fight of the Dutch that not Germany/Prussia nor the UK intervened. Especially the UK, I kinda expected that they would stop France and just let the Dutch and Belgians fight. Although I would have expected the Dutch to win.
TheHadesShade
I think the Brits were thinking long term. It would reconcile the French to the loss of their former Belgian departments if at least the French - speakers there were given power.
Great content keep it up
House of Orange-Nassau, not just Orange.
Matti Taneli Hämäläinen sure, but everyone in the Netherlands just calls it the house of oranje rather than the full name so I’d say it’s fine to do the same in English.
I don’t know why this one made me laugh more than most others. Something about Dutch catching fire… great stuff.