someone please explain, balance experts from happy vs forti or infi games all said, ghoul coil nova OP, while human heroes don't even have mana to sustain water, holy, bolt. they explained confidently and in extreme details that HU had no chance at all.
Understanding this stuff becomes a lot simpler when you realize that each of the races is viable enough that any differences are within small enough margins that player skill and strategy makes a bigger difference generally than balance.
These things apply at equal or close to equal skill. Ofcourse i would destroy a noob like you in any matchup and fortitude just happened to be much better than everyone else at this point. 7:0 speaks for itself.
@@CoNteMpTone u guys clearly have not seen what those balance expert talks about then. Skill is never mentioned. UD loses are never mentioned. They swarm the comment section when happy wins. And only talk about "balance" issue. And u can't debate with them because just recently they were saying beatles ghouls coil nova imple are unbeatable. And UD can spam spells even more than human. And Beatle is a better summon vs WE.
I know yall mention the HU/UD unbalance, But if you really think about it, the only unbalance is the water elementals. The rest is somewhat balanced. They disrupt drastically for human to have the advantage early on, They should either make them easier to kill, or harder to summon, Archmage lvl 4 be spawning them crazy… Gotta get nerfed, Counter ref to that is cyptlord beetles, which can basically be spawn every min or so, and very cautiously, cuss they can die easily and take 1/3 of your mana which also takes ages to restore…. Not very balanced, Yes impale is also very strong, But there must be some play where beetles actually costed 0 mana or little mana… it would make sense POV: i know yall be watching too many happy games, but as an UD player Cryptlord is BYFAR the hardest heroe to play of ALL!!! Hence why you see 120 avoiding it… what happy does is beyond understanding, if you have never played UD i encourage you to try crypt lord and then come back with an opinion
AM is too good of an early game hero, stopping UD expansion and aggression. Giving HU an easy path to lategame. Remins me of immolation DH, I can see it being nerfed even by a little bit. HU buffs and UD nerfs have made this matchup like this.
I think adding a 1-3 sec cooldown increase on it would help, getting 3 out at a time is insanely strong before dispel. Fortitude makes Human look OP against UD lol, after humans getting destroyed by happy & co, it must feel good to have cracked the code.
No, there 3 sources of imbalance. 1 - militia. For whatever reason hu can use its defensive tool offernsively and for creeping. Just imagine orc burrows and undead towers having the range of militia. Or having blight for free in the same radius as hu uses milita. The second one is unlimited number of usage for ass saving staff. Just give it 3 charges or 2 and double the price. Even that useless dispel wand has limited number of charges like wtf is this. Rod of necromancy should have only cooldown and unlimited number of chagers. 3. Underplayed hu heroes like AM and MK keep getting buffed. Nobody ever played them before, bad heroes. very bad. And that's without even mentioning that ud needs to sell tp to get decent start and that ud is the only race that is forced to build it's workers from barracks eliminating any possibility of fast moving to tier 2.
Happy is the favorite at every tournament. He got upset by Starbuck, fair enough, but he is the best player in the world and it's not even close. Fortitude earned this tourney win, but he was also FORTUNATE to avoid Happy. If the two of them played in the Grand Final, it would have been a very close match. I have no idea what 120 was doing in this series. Went Lich 3 times, why?? I haven't seen Lich first this entire patch. Then suddenly he does it for 3 straight losses in the Grand Final. There were no balance problems here. 120 was just completely outclassed.
@@RazielDeTam Do you think 120 lost on purpose here? Who cares about can he control heros or not - is he undead? Is he top player? That means that he can't lose to human more than 8%, because the current patch is so favoured for undead!
@@RazielDeTameven if you control your heroes like messi controls the ball it won’t matter when you are against 2 base while you are 1 base constantly harassed by simple we and footies killing your ghouls and acolytes
120 just isn't in Foti's league at the moment. Forti played a crap load of series against happy. So it will take a UD on Happy's level to defeat him. People balance whining in this comment section completely ignore the fact that 120 didn't even play that well.
@@VelvanTiviusHappy lost to Starbuck for the first time in his life lol. Fortitude is the only Human player who dominates the scene. Sok is the second best Human in the world and I don't remember him winning anything or at least getting to finals. If Humans are so OP now why there are no Human mirrors in finals like those non stop Happy vs 120 finals we had 2 years ago?
@@M.L.official orcs are in good shape with Lyn and Soin, even Focus perform well at times. As for elves - KAho is the only hope imho, and he didnt showed up. Yet, NE is actually looks much weaker than humans.
I can see more tournaments after Forti's statement. It's going to be a massacre from now on. :D Happy won't let it go! ♥ :D He will come up with some new strategy and the heads will fall. ♥ X'D GG Forti! ♥ :) Happyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOOO!!!! ♥♥♥
In this patch of course, forgot to mention, it's all about this patch... It's only this patch that have made undead so unbelievably strong that it wins 92% of games against human. 92 effing percent! Don't you see how close this series was? 4-3 in 35+ minutes games each! Wow! Really close, no jokes! Before this patch undead haven't won so easy against human, but now it's like so OP it's impossible for human player to win now. Like ever... Hopefully the balance will be fixed and the Blizzard will finally nerf that damn coil nova, so that poor human will finally have a chance to climb hard in top 16...
@@JamesAugust5 yes, I agree, but this bs about 92% win at the PRO SCENE (!), it really pissed me off! I play Warcraft since 2003 or 2004, and I absolutely understand, the such a statistic is absolutely not possible to exist in anything but a sick mind of a stupid hater! I now pros, I've seen them in real life, I watched their stats, and in any patch it's actually something like 60% win, maybe 70% if you're something exceptional, but for the most of times it's actually 55%! That's it, 55%! And only the greatest which is Happy has something that is above 70%, but not because of the balance, but because of the fact that THERE IS NO PLAYERS LIKE HIM, there are only very few players who can challenge him - how can he lose more in this conditions than? So he don't lose often, this is correct. But even he doesn't have 92% of wins against a specific race, this is nonsense, especially on the current patch. If he (that guy in the comments) said like 80%, or above 70% - I'd believe that, because this is Happy he can have such stats, but not 92%, on this oatch especially, where he loses to human quote regularly.
I dont know who the that Bioblin guy is but it's funny to see the commentator telling that Forti eliminated Lich as first hero forgetting to mention that for some reason Lich keeps getting nerfed and such underplayed human heroes like AM and MK are buffed. Paladin also needed a buff for whatever reason.
@@VelvanTiviusbro humans have just been receiving buffs I’m not even surprised by this result and Mark my words we will see lot more hu winning tournaments…heck even lich first strat fails because nova got nerfed so happy started using slow Cryptlord
UD always was an underdog, they buffed UD for like 2 years, and everybody starts to whining about it, so UD was nerfed again, and HU always dominated with their fast expand and unlimited gold and powerful heroes with infinite mana. And half of the UD heroes are usless, so they need to nerf the other half, for sure
@@rich531 because it's not a balance, it's a joke. And still many people think that UD is imba, with "almighty" Happy out of tournament. HU need nerf obviously, and NE need buff.
@@nightyonetwothree So much cope... You were the one who said all sorts of nonsense when undead was actually overbuffed... Anyway its skill issue. Forti is better than everyone else. And there is only 1
@@filipefranca5866 overbuffed ud? You mean 2003 tft release? Like statues and destroyers were added to the game and towers stop giving exp for kills etc. Maybe you give me other time ud "were overbuffed"?
see how a demonhunter gets level 3 while a blademaster is 1.5? and the protection ring gives him 10 armor and he simply absorbs 50% of the damage. this needs to be fixed. Nerf Ne
@@jimsub2356How can you compare skills and an imbalanced race? I saw how Lawliet confidently defeated Ud and then began to lose on purpose, and on one map he humiliated Soin as much as possible as if he had an incredible superiority in skills. Ne nerf
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120 looked hella frustrated, like I'm done with this Shiet. It's like banging your head against a wall that won't even scrap the paint !
Congrats to the human king of this generation, Fortitude! Came a long way since being known as "Romantic".
Such a wonderful event!
Thanks B2W for the amazing cast!
Forti is sooo PRO! Perfect games
Well my friends. We see great thing - Alliance take a big win!
Glory to the Alliance! Fortitude show power of the Light
As much as I'm happy for fortitude.. 😂 my eyes were locked on HAPPY and he was the only one bummed out lmao
Хороший турнир вспомнил молодость спасибо за мероприятие))🎉
someone please explain, balance experts from happy vs forti or infi games all said, ghoul coil nova OP, while human heroes don't even have mana to sustain water, holy, bolt.
they explained confidently and in extreme details that HU had no chance at all.
Understanding this stuff becomes a lot simpler when you realize that each of the races is viable enough that any differences are within small enough margins that player skill and strategy makes a bigger difference generally than balance.
These things apply at equal or close to equal skill. Ofcourse i would destroy a noob like you in any matchup and fortitude just happened to be much better than everyone else at this point. 7:0 speaks for itself.
@@CoNteMpTone u guys clearly have not seen what those balance expert talks about then. Skill is never mentioned. UD loses are never mentioned. They swarm the comment section when happy wins. And only talk about "balance" issue. And u can't debate with them because just recently they were saying beatles ghouls coil nova imple are unbeatable. And UD can spam spells even more than human. And Beatle is a better summon vs WE.
@@mardini those things may be true or false depending on objective analysis, not depending on the outcome of a tournament.
I get a small rustle in my Jimmies every time a Pally nukes a Lich.
Sub one hour best of 7. Looks like Happy’s old series vs NE and HU. Karma
I know yall mention the HU/UD unbalance, But if you really think about it, the only unbalance is the water elementals. The rest is somewhat balanced.
They disrupt drastically for human to have the advantage early on, They should either make them easier to kill, or harder to summon, Archmage lvl 4 be spawning them crazy… Gotta get nerfed,
Counter ref to that is cyptlord beetles, which can basically be spawn every min or so, and very cautiously, cuss they can die easily and take 1/3 of your mana which also takes ages to restore…. Not very balanced, Yes impale is also very strong, But there must be some play where beetles actually costed 0 mana or little mana… it would make sense
POV: i know yall be watching too many happy games, but as an UD player Cryptlord is BYFAR the hardest heroe to play of ALL!!! Hence why you see 120 avoiding it… what happy does is beyond understanding, if you have never played UD i encourage you to try crypt lord and then come back with an opinion
AM is too good of an early game hero, stopping UD expansion and aggression. Giving HU an easy path to lategame.
Remins me of immolation DH, I can see it being nerfed even by a little bit.
HU buffs and UD nerfs have made this matchup like this.
I think adding a 1-3 sec cooldown increase on it would help, getting 3 out at a time is insanely strong before dispel.
Fortitude makes Human look OP against UD lol, after humans getting destroyed by happy & co, it must feel good to have cracked the code.
No, there 3 sources of imbalance. 1 - militia. For whatever reason hu can use its defensive tool offernsively and for creeping. Just imagine orc burrows and undead towers having the range of militia. Or having blight for free in the same radius as hu uses milita. The second one is unlimited number of usage for ass saving staff. Just give it 3 charges or 2 and double the price. Even that useless dispel wand has limited number of charges like wtf is this. Rod of necromancy should have only cooldown and unlimited number of chagers. 3. Underplayed hu heroes like AM and MK keep getting buffed. Nobody ever played them before, bad heroes. very bad.
And that's without even mentioning that ud needs to sell tp to get decent start and that ud is the only race that is forced to build it's workers from barracks eliminating any possibility of fast moving to tier 2.
Happy is the favorite at every tournament. He got upset by Starbuck, fair enough, but he is the best player in the world and it's not even close. Fortitude earned this tourney win, but he was also FORTUNATE to avoid Happy.
If the two of them played in the Grand Final, it would have been a very close match. I have no idea what 120 was doing in this series. Went Lich 3 times, why?? I haven't seen Lich first this entire patch. Then suddenly he does it for 3 straight losses in the Grand Final.
There were no balance problems here. 120 was just completely outclassed.
Happy wins often vs fortitude. He 4-1ed fortitude a few days ago : ua-cam.com/video/xD-DP5tJsUQ/v-deo.html
I think this is a skill issue.
i noticed sometimes you have a yellow star on the thumbnail of the videos. what does it mean?
They are “must watch” matches
@@douglavras how do you know?
@@dsqrtzdsqrtz2214 They answer your question and this is your reply?!
nothing but destruction
gratz to the champ ! long live Wc3
Please nerf UD, I cant stand it anymore, too powerful
bUt uNdEad iS wInNinG 92% oF gAmEs agAiNSt hUmAn!!1!! DoN'T yOu kNoW tHe StAtiStiC oF Ud vs hU?????
Do you want to say, that was a onesided match?
120 can't control his heroes, and that's human's problem?)
Reminds me Maru's complain, when he lost to protoss on purpose just to prove his point 😅
@@RazielDeTam do you think that the result of the series is 4-0 or 4-3?
@@RazielDeTam Do you think 120 lost on purpose here?
Who cares about can he control heros or not - is he undead? Is he top player?
That means that he can't lose to human more than 8%, because the current patch is so favoured for undead!
@@RazielDeTameven if you control your heroes like messi controls the ball it won’t matter when you are against 2 base while you are 1 base constantly harassed by simple we and footies killing your ghouls and acolytes
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4 games in 1hour.
Why the zoom so far away??!!!
Nerf UD. 🤭
First time i see fortitude winning anything
I am fortitude! Who can.. stop me?!! 🤣🤣👍👍
triple staff is too much. maybe a little longer cooldown?
120 just isn't in Foti's league at the moment. Forti played a crap load of series against happy. So it will take a UD on Happy's level to defeat him. People balance whining in this comment section completely ignore the fact that 120 didn't even play that well.
120 played well enough to beat non-human players and Happy lost to human too. What a surprise. HU needs some more buffs and UD is op obv.
@@VelvanTiviusHappy lost to Starbuck for the first time in his life lol. Fortitude is the only Human player who dominates the scene. Sok is the second best Human in the world and I don't remember him winning anything or at least getting to finals. If Humans are so OP now why there are no Human mirrors in finals like those non stop Happy vs 120 finals we had 2 years ago?
@@ab-qj3wo Meanwhile nobody gives a toss about night elves and orcs lmao
@@M.L.official orcs are in good shape with Lyn and Soin, even Focus perform well at times.
As for elves - KAho is the only hope imho, and he didnt showed up. Yet, NE is actually looks much weaker than humans.
@@nightyonetwothree when's the last time orc won an event tho
I can see more tournaments after Forti's statement. It's going to be a massacre from now on. :D Happy won't let it go! ♥ :D He will come up with some new strategy and the heads will fall. ♥ X'D
GG Forti! ♥ :)
Happyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOOO!!!! ♥♥♥
he retired from esports.
Yes, I'm here to remind you that UD is winning 92% of games against human, at least that what experts like Biobin123 say....
In this patch of course, forgot to mention, it's all about this patch...
It's only this patch that have made undead so unbelievably strong that it wins 92% of games against human. 92 effing percent! Don't you see how close this series was? 4-3 in 35+ minutes games each! Wow! Really close, no jokes! Before this patch undead haven't won so easy against human, but now it's like so OP it's impossible for human player to win now. Like ever...
Hopefully the balance will be fixed and the Blizzard will finally nerf that damn coil nova, so that poor human will finally have a chance to climb hard in top 16...
I just ignore Biobin, chats too much, contradicts himself, bullshits and when he's wrong comes after you.
@@JamesAugust5 yes, I agree, but this bs about 92% win at the PRO SCENE (!), it really pissed me off!
I play Warcraft since 2003 or 2004, and I absolutely understand, the such a statistic is absolutely not possible to exist in anything but a sick mind of a stupid hater!
I now pros, I've seen them in real life, I watched their stats, and in any patch it's actually something like 60% win, maybe 70% if you're something exceptional, but for the most of times it's actually 55%! That's it, 55%!
And only the greatest which is Happy has something that is above 70%, but not because of the balance, but because of the fact that THERE IS NO PLAYERS LIKE HIM, there are only very few players who can challenge him - how can he lose more in this conditions than?
So he don't lose often, this is correct. But even he doesn't have 92% of wins against a specific race, this is nonsense, especially on the current patch.
If he (that guy in the comments) said like 80%, or above 70% - I'd believe that, because this is Happy he can have such stats, but not 92%, on this oatch especially, where he loses to human quote regularly.
I dont know who the that Bioblin guy is but it's funny to see the commentator telling that Forti eliminated Lich as first hero forgetting to mention that for some reason Lich keeps getting nerfed and such underplayed human heroes like AM and MK are buffed. Paladin also needed a buff for whatever reason.
@@VelvanTiviusbro humans have just been receiving buffs I’m not even surprised by this result and Mark my words we will see lot more hu winning tournaments…heck even lich first strat fails because nova got nerfed so happy started using slow Cryptlord
Nice
Damm! GG
See how UD is imba? See? Don't you see how UD is waay too OP???
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Was imba for years, only now looking weak. Cry for 5 years like HU did and maybe you'll see a good patch.
UD always was an underdog, they buffed UD for like 2 years, and everybody starts to whining about it, so UD was nerfed again, and HU always dominated with their fast expand and unlimited gold and powerful heroes with infinite mana. And half of the UD heroes are usless, so they need to nerf the other half, for sure
@@Limbynn now people are whining about UD losing. With all the whining in the comments section, you’d think we are at a winery.
@@rich531 because it's not a balance, it's a joke. And still many people think that UD is imba, with "almighty" Happy out of tournament. HU need nerf obviously, and NE need buff.
HUMBA
happy is really unhappy.
injustice
gooooooooooooo
UD iS oP
typical hum vs ud. Disgusting balance. Buff humans more. Surprisingly didnt see a golden star from b2w over this match.
Forti is just better. Simple as that. Stop balance whinning
Stupid we and that gay staff should be nerfed …it’s so irritating to watch every knight getting either holy light or staffed so imbalanced
@@filipefranca5866 he'll prove he's better if he can show same results in reverse race tournaments. Currently he's just abusing broken race
@@nightyonetwothree So much cope... You were the one who said all sorts of nonsense when undead was actually overbuffed... Anyway its skill issue. Forti is better than everyone else. And there is only 1
@@filipefranca5866 overbuffed ud? You mean 2003 tft release? Like statues and destroyers were added to the game and towers stop giving exp for kills etc.
Maybe you give me other time ud "were overbuffed"?
see how a demonhunter gets level 3 while a blademaster is 1.5? and the protection ring gives him 10 armor and he simply absorbs 50% of the damage. this needs to be fixed. Nerf Ne
yes n811 always ins the games ... what a delusional noob
Look at the number of tournaments Night Elves win at levels = 0, so think a little, if you're not good work instead of talking about balance....
@@jimsub2356How can you compare skills and an imbalanced race? I saw how Lawliet confidently defeated Ud and then began to lose on purpose, and on one map he humiliated Soin as much as possible as if he had an incredible superiority in skills. Ne nerf
Very good english but.. game in Orco .... not nice.