IRS Form 8832 walkthrough (Entity Classification Election)
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An eligible entity uses Form 8832 to elect how it will be classified for federal tax purposes, as a corporation, a partnership, or an entity disregarded as separate from its owner.
An eligible entity is classified for federal tax purposes under the default rules
described below unless it files Form 8832 or Form 2553, Election by a Small Business Corporation.
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IRS Form 2553, Election by Small Business Corporation
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Thank you I am LLC sole owner. I chose 1 a 3 no and 4 my name and ein...on my form. Thank you for your helop.
Great video thanks! I was wondering if I would be able to use this form to revert back to being a partnership? I mistakenly filed Form 2553 to be elected as an S corp :(
There probably is a legal aspect (depending on which state you live in), in addition to the tax aspect. While I cannot provide legal advice, here is the IRS web page that gives guidance on how to revoke your S corporation status: www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/revoking-a-subchapter-s-election
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what does "disregarded as separate" mean please?
I formed my single member llc last January. Should I choose form 8832? or what? last time I couldn't fill out form. As I had a zero business earnings even I didn't started my LLC properly at that time. So what should I do now?
You should probably focus on building your business, growing it, and making your business as profitable as possible. In general, you're not paying much in taxes (or shouldn't be), if you're not profitable, so until you have profit, profit is your number one concern.
Once you have enough profit to justify it, then you should sit down with a tax professional about YOUR business situation, so you can discuss options and trade-offs about selecting a particular tax entity.
Once you and your tax professional have decided on the correct tax entity, then deciding whether you need to file IRS Form 8832 becomes a simple Yes/No question.
My multimember LLC is becoming a single member LLC. This conversion will take place in alignment with the tax year, so no partial year tax returns will be required. The multimember LLC has been taxed by default as a partnership. I want the single member LLC to be taxed by default as a disregarded entity. Do I need to file form 8832, even if both entities will have the default tax status?
It doesn't seem that would have to. Here are two things I saw in the form instructions that would make it appear that you don't need to file:
1. An eligible entity is classified for federal tax purposes under the default rules described below *unless* it files Form 8832 or Form 2553, Election by a Small Business Corporation.
2. An eligible entity classified as a partnership will become a disregarded entity when the entity’s membership is reduced to one member and a disregarded entity will be classified as a partnership when the entity has more than one member.
Hello can you help me with some decisions. I'm trying to fill out the 8832 for my friend who has a EIN# and want to open a auto shop called CV Auto Shop. He is filling out this form for the 1st time. I'm not sure which type of entity to choose from Part 1 of the application when he is the only owner of the auto shop. Not too sure if I understand you correctly on the election effective date on Part 1, #8. For the signature in Part 1, since he is the only owner, I just have him sign it and for Title part do I put him as the CEO or Management member?
I'm not sure that I can give you specific advice on which entity to select. I would suggest looking at the default rules and determining whether or not the default would be acceptable to your friend.
Below is additional information about Line 8:
Generally, the election will take effect on the date you enter on line 8 of this form, or on the date filed if no date is entered on Line 8. An election specifying an entity’s classification for federal tax purposes can take effect no more than 75 days prior to the date the election is filed, nor can it take effect later than 12 months after the date on which the election is filed. If line 8 shows a date more than 75 days prior to the date on which the election is filed, the election will default to 75 days before the date it is filed. If line 8 shows an effective date more than 12 months from the filing date, the election will take effect 12 months after the date the election is filed.
Finally, the IRS doesn't seem to have much of an opinion about what the title is. Owner, CEO, whatever your friend feels is the best title.
I’m still stuck on this form.
I’m trying to elect my entity as a partnership because I added my son as a member two months after filing my new business.
Do I need to fill out part 2 late election relief? Do I need to check the late election box at the top of form?
I cannot specifically comment or advise on your situation. However, I would offer two observations:
1. Default rules state that unless an election is made on Form 8832, a domestic eligible entity is: 1. A partnership if it has two or more members, and 2. Disregarded as an entity separate from its owner if it has a single owner. In other words, your entity was already a partnership by default (unless you choose Form 8832 to declare your entity as something else).
2. The form instructions state that a new eligible entity should not file Form 8832 if it will be using its default classification.
Advice that I would give you (same as I give to everyone): I would recommend going back to the form instructions to ascertain this for yourself. Based on the facts known to you, decide whether you actually need to file Form 8832 for your business. If you simply want a partnership between you and your son, you might not need to file this form at all.
Hello,
My SMLLC Fon non us resident is by default a sole proprietor by IRS, which means there is no protection.
I wanted to be taxed as disregarded entity separated from the owner to get that protection.
Should I fill 8832 myself or I need someone to do it for me?
Anyone can fill out IRS Form 8832 without hiring a tax professional. However, you may want to talk with a CPA, just to make sure you have someone to talk with about your tax situation and ensure that you are proceeding properly.
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Hi, if there is a process that I will get a Physical letter from IRS when I do the 8832?
You should receive a letter in the mail within 60 days of filing Form 8832. Here is the guidance from the form instructions:
The service center will notify the eligible entity at the address listed on Form 8832 if its election is accepted or not accepted. The entity should generally receive a determination on its election within 60 days after it has filed Form 8832.
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Single Member LLC who newly established business in August finds out in December that for tax purposes it is disregarded as it's own entity by default and subject to pass through taxation. I would like to file my LLC as a C Corporation, but it has been over 75 days since LLC was created. What date would I use for effective date for this to be applied to my first fiscal tax year and would I need to fill out the late section of this form?
I would need to know more information about your tax situation to give a complete answer. And there are many different options that you could choose.
What might be the simplest option would be to plan for 2024 to be your first year that your LLC is classified as a C corporation. This assumes that you're okay with being treated as a disregarded entity for the 2023 tax year.
In this case, you could:
1. Use January 1 as your effective date, if you use a calendar year. If you use a fiscal year (tax year that ends in a month other than December), then perhaps you use the beginning date of that tax year.
2. If you do this, you would not need to request late election relief.
It is possible to request late election relief for the first tax year, under Rev. Proc. 2009-41, if you meet all of the following conditions, based on the IRS guidelines:
-You have not filed your first tax return yet (which you probably have not)
-It has not been more than 3 years and 75 days since your requested date
-You can demonstrate reasonable cause...this is the trickiest situation, because there does not appear to be a lot of clear guidance to show examples of reasonable cause.
Here is a link to an article which indicates that the IRS has a 'relatively low threshold' for reasonable cause, accepting reasons such as:
1. the corporation’s responsible person failed to file the election;
2. the corporation’s tax professional failed to file the election;
3. the corporation did not know it needed to affirmatively file an election.
www.foster.com/assets/htmldocuments/pdfs/brant-entity-classification-2017.pdf
However, I do not have personal knowledge of whether the reasonable cause route would work. And you would have to make sure that you've completed the form exactly as the instructions indicate.
My opinion is that if you wanted to go the clean route (start with 2024 tax year as a C corporation), you could probably do this on your own. If you wanted to pursue the reasonable cause route (request late election relief), I'd recommend that you hire a tax professional to help you dot your i's and cross your t's.