In order to have volition, there must be an 𝘰𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 to do wrong. Humans clearly have an *option* to do wrong(s). Rocks have no choice but to fall to the ground when dropped.
@@bulletproofmofo Not if you have a large weather balloon or a jetpack, and rocks can not make these...or anything. Also I believe he is being metaphorical.
@@LostArchivist It would have been funny if you said metamorphical haha.I think it's reasonable that the capacity to create systems which defy the laws of nature could also give rise to the capacity to create an illusory freedom of choice. I think it is also reasonable to characterize this capacity in humans to be a literal embodiment of sin, a divergence from nature, a missing of the mark. It seems reasonable to me to think of our capacity to think critically and choose for our own self to be the natural outgrowth of our having eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is at once what makes us sentient and also what separates us from God. Perhaps why no other species injects as much novelty into creation as we do, and why no other suffers as we do. I don't know man, just spitballin
Haha, no worries! The attempt was _still_ funny,@@bulletproofmofo. More importantly than inquiring _"Wouldn't humans also have no choice but to fall when dropped?"_ is to ask, is there _choice_ to do the "dropping?"_ _1)_ Choice is selection between _at least_ two alternatives. _2)_ Alternatives are _different routes of possibilities._ ∴ Choices that couldn’t have been made otherwise _(including the choice not to choose)_ weren't choices if they didn't include _different routes of possibilities._
*Determinists* can't even _utter_ the word choice in their discourse referencing ability to choose amid alternative outcomes, then in the same breath claim outcomes are inevitable... Either there’s _ability_ to make selection, or selection _unavoidably_ happens. Can’t be both!
Sam Harris has been real quiet since this dropped
Yeah, they shut him up real good.
Lol no he has not.
Sadly his chances of finding this are slim
Why no video?
4:40.
Best lecture that I barely can pretend to understand.
Check out the lecture on a thomistic metaphysics of gender, thats a good one that can be hard to understand haha
@@TheBrunarr what's the title? Thanks.
@@Urbanity_Kludge something like Metaphysics of Gender: A Thomistic Approach. It's on UA-cam, like 45 mins I think
@@ContemplativeThinker fortunately, that's not what I said
In order to have volition, there must be an 𝘰𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 to do wrong. Humans clearly have an *option* to do wrong(s).
Rocks have no choice but to fall to the ground when dropped.
Wouldn't you agree that humans also have no choice but to fall when dropped?
@@bulletproofmofo Not if you have a large weather balloon or a jetpack, and rocks can not make these...or anything.
Also I believe he is being metaphorical.
@@LostArchivist It would have been funny if you said metamorphical haha.I think it's reasonable that the capacity to create systems which defy the laws of nature could also give rise to the capacity to create an illusory freedom of choice. I think it is also reasonable to characterize this capacity in humans to be a literal embodiment of sin, a divergence from nature, a missing of the mark. It seems reasonable to me to think of our capacity to think critically and choose for our own self to be the natural outgrowth of our having eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is at once what makes us sentient and also what separates us from God. Perhaps why no other species injects as much novelty into creation as we do, and why no other suffers as we do. I don't know man, just spitballin
Haha, no worries! The attempt was _still_ funny,@@bulletproofmofo.
More importantly than inquiring _"Wouldn't humans also have no choice but to fall when dropped?"_ is to ask, is there _choice_ to do the "dropping?"_
_1)_ Choice is selection between _at least_ two alternatives.
_2)_ Alternatives are _different routes of possibilities._
∴ Choices that couldn’t have been made otherwise _(including the choice not to choose)_ weren't choices if they didn't include _different routes of possibilities._
*Determinists* can't even _utter_ the word choice in their discourse referencing ability to choose amid alternative outcomes, then in the same breath claim outcomes are inevitable...
Either there’s _ability_ to make selection, or selection _unavoidably_ happens. Can’t be both!
Determinism doesnt allow for ethics. Of course Sam Harris’ ethics are arbitrary with no justification.
This is so very boring!... And I like Aquinas very much... buth this?...