He reccomends dually trucks because they are more stable and wont crash and burn in a tire blowout situation. They also have better gear ratios and better brakes than srw's. Its reasonable to be honest.
Most 3/4 ton trucks probably wouldn't have the payload to tow this. Even if it was only 14k pounds loaded, which is 1k over its dry weight, the pin weight would be close to or over 2800 pounds. Not even many gas 3/4 tons have that much payload and not many 1 ton SRW diesels have much more than that either. I would have to agree with JD on this one.
You show some very nice units, thank you. I also love all the info you provided to help someone decide if that particular trailer / 5th wheel is the right one.
This unit would be great for a family with young teenagers. It allows each kid to have their own private sleeping space on a bed they don’t have to share. Also gives the parents to have a room where the kids can play video games on a gloomy day. I like this unit quite a but considering the price. Less than $60k and there is quite a lot of amenities.
This is certainly one of the largest mid-bunk models I have seen. It's quite likable. The Azdel sidewalls is quite an amazing feature of this 5-er, as well. Good review, JD!
One thing I don't like on virtually every 5th wheel I've come across is the layout of the beds. Almost universally, the head of the bed is in a slideout with no side tables. Most travel trailers have adopted the same type of floor plans as well. When we chose our camper (Open Range 272RLS), that was a must for us. We utilize the side tables all of the time. Other than that, about the only thing I don't care for in most layouts is the tv/entertainment area being right next to the stove area. I like having a cabinet or pantry to make the delineation from kitchen to the living area.
I love the layout of this one. It has everything my family would need if we decided on full time Rving. Kids being close to the master with such an awesome layout is a big deal for us. Thanks for showing!
I love the mid bunks and lofts but I’d want the extra bunk and desk for an office or overflow. I agree with the coffee space even though I was first impressed with the large pantry. Coffee nook would be perfect. Master is somewhat not exciting. I like overhead cabinets over the dresser and even though we have a king mattress in ours I’ve learned to prefer a queen for easier access for changing sheets. I guess I’d have to keep looking because the features I prefer are out there. Nice 2 inch walls
I think they intended at a makeshift coffee serve on either end of the island since there are plugs and its extra-large especially the end near the fridge would work...
I agree w/adding more counter space on the pantry wall directly across from the entrance door. Bunkroom can easily be remade into an office, and the loft needs stairs not a ladder. Would have been perfect for our needs except for those items. I need steps to loft for myself as well as my dogs. People getting close to retirement age have enough trouble with stairs as is, but those ladders are ridiculous.
How timely - picking ours up tomorrow. First 5th wheel but happy to get back into trailer RV. May look at the suspension upgrade later in life. I suspect we will be more of a destination RV for now with short(less than 250ish mile radius) adventures.
Very nice unit. I like the extra bedroom and loft. It's always better to have guests have their own private sleeping place. Good point regarding the 2" walls with Azdel rather than the better suspension. I really like it when you recommend the better and best features that the RV really would be better off with. 👍
I love this rig! Me and my family just started camping last year and we bought a pretty small camper just as our starter camper. My parents said this year or next year we might get a new family. I have two brothers that could sleep in the loft and since I’m a bit older then them (13) then I feel I could have “my own room” aka the mid bunk, I love this rig, thanks for sharing!
Yep, agree about preferring a small counter there (best location) for coffee maker space. Necessity! Also, if they had built a desk into the 2nd bedroom it would be perfect! TFS 😊
I’d like too see side tables in the bedroom, a space for coffee maker instead of the additional pantry space and doors on the cabinet in the bathroom. The white upholstery looks nice but not practical for families with kids, at least not my grandson. I’d be cleaning it constantly. Love the Azdel sidewalls, easy upgrade on the suspension and tires. Not my favorite, but not too bad either.
This has a very nice floor plan. All the cabinet storage is really good to have. I don't care about having a space for a coffee maker. Having storage is more important.
Interesting. Really hate the drawer pulls. Need side tables in master. I would want any storage places outside to key lock but never see that. Love the space layout and the kitchen is wonderful.
My top rental for 2 years running that and my north trail travel .. trailer sealed wet ya is awesome. It’s materials found in high end fishing boats .. I’d like to see the widetrax suspension system that heartland offers The outdoor kitchen could be better and they have it available The side wall construction is pretty awesome. We had 4 RV’s destroyed in a massive hail storm not a scratch on these heartland models with the 2” foam aluminum design We are trading it in and getting the 2 bathroom model
Loved this floor plan, very spacious. It needed the flip up bunk in the bunk house tho. I would have thought at this price point an outside kitchen would have already been in place. Was there a separation wall between the generator prep area and storage? Lot of bang for your buck with this coach.
Not a fan of lack of side table(s) in the master bedroom. Actually the master seems like a second thought. Some cool things going on and as usual always trade offs.
I completely agree. I don't care for these type of bedroom layouts and that was one of the defining features in our choosing the camper we bought (2017 Open Range 272RLS).
the generator place can be used for huge battery capacity rv has huge roof that can be used for solar panels this rv can has competely green electricity
Almost exactly what I'm looking for. The cabinetry in the master bedroom was kinda blah though. Would prefer a smaller window and more dresser/possibly a 2nd fireplace and a TV area centered in front of the bed. Otherwise, yeah, looked nice! Totally would turn the mid bunk room into my office/computer room. How much weight can one of those slides support? Couple hundred pounds?
When is a manufacturer going to pipe ac into a midbunk? It seems like it would be easy to put a duct in the wall by the kitchen pantry. We love our 392 mbl but we can't close the door to the room because it gets way to hot.
Throw a couple of TV tray tables in that mid bunk and you can have some work space when the bed isn't deployed. It's really a shame there isn't more space to work with, though. . All in all, not super impressed with this one. I don't hate it, but it really doesn't wow me, especially at that size.
If it's diesel or a v10 it will be just fine, if anything spend $500 on firestone airbags to help with squat and you'll be fine. No reason to get another truck.
bout time they figured out that you can't take a drop frame anywhere but Rv parks, so most of us won't but one because it's a one-trick pony that cant travel down most of the basic dirt roads out west, any kind of transition up or down and it's a NO-GO Hello to Half your sales?? I think they intended at a makeshift coffee counter on either end of the island since there are plugs and its extra-large especially the end near the fridge would work... but they could have notched just 18 inches verticaly out of the pantry and stuck in a (coffee Shelf) with pantry still above and below
Nice 5th wheel if the up grade on the suspension is not very expensive why don't the manufacturer just install it at the factory couldn't add that much to the price, very nice interior, I agree could have done a little different design on the cabinets on that side wall, over all nice looking
So, something to note about the RV industry is that they generally go with products that have been tested and used for a long time. Tankless heaters as well as other cool innovations tend to come with increased warranty claims that dealers sometimes don’t respond to in a timely fashion.
You must be a caffeine addict. You are certainly hung up with coffee stations. To me it looked set up for one beside the stove. You could see the outlet there for it.
The mid bunk is terrible! There's no space at the foot of the bed and the one who sleeps on the wall side has a problem if they have to get up in the night. Are they supposed to crawl over their bedmate?
I just don’t understand why they don’t allow the doors to open up to the side. I don’t watch to duck and bent under that door to our things that might be over 30-40lbs even though I’m young, strong, healthy.
My parents divorced when I was 4 and I am 16 almost 17. My Birthday is July 27th. When I am with my dad and stepmom and half sisters, there is 5 people. When I am with my mom and stepdad, it is 3 people.
That mechanical and electrical closet for the hydraulics and electric is poorly managed. Wish they would have organized it and dressed it up better considering the price.
Too heavy for MY 1 Ton! You would need at least a 2017 or newer that has the towing capacity if SRW. Older trucks, Dually territory only because of payload. That's a heavy bugger. Soon as I saw it, I'm guessing, 16K. Yep, 16K. Heavier frame, and the rack & pinion slides add a lot of weight.
I thought you said that the slide with the dining table came into the trailer such that it blocked the kitchen! That would be an absolute no go for us. You couldn’t get to the frig or anything. We want to get to the frig and the table when we stop during our journey. When our slides are in the only thing we can’t get to is the tv, fireplace and one recliner. The entire kitchen is completely open and available for use. I really don’t like cables. I’ve seen the rubber torn up by the cables. It is pretty, has a nice floor plan. The leveling control is on the front of the RV totally exposed to the weather, rocks, etc. that is horrible. The only thing this unit has going for it is the azdel 2” thick side walls. Incandescent lights?! All bling but lacking in many critical areas. I wouldn’t buy it. It is very inexpensive, so much so that it seems cheap.
Edit a really cheap version for not much saved value. Other than the azdel which I dont believe my jayco has and the hydrolic level system my jayco is an upgrade in every way. Still I don't think the electric stabilizer jacks are any worse than the hydrolic version
Pointing out so many negative things. Maybe someone who actually likes the units should do videos. With a large family you DO need all that pantry space.
As a mom of 10, this could work for us!!! And you can never have too much pantry space. ;)
If I was going to live in an RV, I would probably choose this floorplan cuz I could use the lower midbunk room for my son's bedroom when he's with me.
I looked at this fifth wheel in the thumbnail and I thought "Yep, JD's gonna suggest towing it with at least a 1 ton truck, preferably a dually!"
thatguy263 my 1-ton Dually isn’t even rated to pull that much.
@@josephmcclary9667 Makes sense. Guess it would depend on how a specific truck is equipped.
He reccomends dually trucks because they are more stable and wont crash and burn in a tire blowout situation. They also have better gear ratios and better brakes than srw's. Its reasonable to be honest.
Most 3/4 ton trucks probably wouldn't have the payload to tow this. Even if it was only 14k pounds loaded, which is 1k over its dry weight, the pin weight would be close to or over 2800 pounds. Not even many gas 3/4 tons have that much payload and not many 1 ton SRW diesels have much more than that either. I would have to agree with JD on this one.
You show some very nice units, thank you. I also love all the info you provided to help someone decide if that particular trailer / 5th wheel is the right one.
This unit would be great for a family with young teenagers. It allows each kid to have their own private sleeping space on a bed they don’t have to share. Also gives the parents to have a room where the kids can play video games on a gloomy day. I like this unit quite a but considering the price. Less than $60k and there is quite a lot of amenities.
This is certainly one of the largest mid-bunk models I have seen. It's quite likable. The Azdel sidewalls is quite an amazing feature of this 5-er, as well. Good review, JD!
One thing I don't like on virtually every 5th wheel I've come across is the layout of the beds. Almost universally, the head of the bed is in a slideout with no side tables. Most travel trailers have adopted the same type of floor plans as well.
When we chose our camper (Open Range 272RLS), that was a must for us. We utilize the side tables all of the time.
Other than that, about the only thing I don't care for in most layouts is the tv/entertainment area being right next to the stove area. I like having a cabinet or pantry to make the delineation from kitchen to the living area.
I love how every time you walk into a rv you say “this is very nice” keep up the good videos brother!
Yeah, that's very nice.
I love the layout of this one. It has everything my family would need if we decided on full time Rving. Kids being close to the master with such an awesome layout is a big deal for us. Thanks for showing!
I like it. We have a 5th wheel with dining table and chairs and it makes it feel more like a home.
Holy moly, I’ve got 6 kids and this makes sense AND has an excellent price point!
Six kids!! 🙃
Look into spacecraft RV
6 here as well. Big consideration for rv in the future
I love the mid bunks and lofts but I’d want the extra bunk and desk for an office or overflow. I agree with the coffee space even though I was first impressed with the large pantry. Coffee nook would be perfect. Master is somewhat not exciting. I like overhead cabinets over the dresser and even though we have a king mattress in ours I’ve learned to prefer a queen for easier access for changing sheets. I guess I’d have to keep looking because the features I prefer are out there. Nice 2 inch walls
I think they intended at a makeshift coffee serve on either end of the island since there are plugs and its extra-large especially the end near the fridge would work...
I agree w/adding more counter space on the pantry wall directly across from the entrance door. Bunkroom can easily be remade into an office, and the loft needs stairs not a ladder. Would have been perfect for our needs except for those items. I need steps to loft for myself as well as my dogs. People getting close to retirement age have enough trouble with stairs as is, but those ladders are ridiculous.
Love mid bunk floor plans. This one has alot of amenities at an excellent price point!
How timely - picking ours up tomorrow. First 5th wheel but happy to get back into trailer RV. May look at the suspension upgrade later in life. I suspect we will be more of a destination RV for now with short(less than 250ish mile radius) adventures.
I like how the sink is on one side of the island. It's way more functional.
I like the mid bunk style. The loft adds Class to the unit too to me. Thanks.
Very nice unit. I like the extra bedroom and loft. It's always better to have guests have their own private sleeping place. Good point regarding the 2" walls with Azdel rather than the better suspension. I really like it when you recommend the better and best features that the RV really would be better off with. 👍
I love this rig! Me and my family just started camping last year and we bought a pretty small camper just as our starter camper. My parents said this year or next year we might get a new family. I have two brothers that could sleep in the loft and since I’m a bit older then them (13) then I feel I could have “my own room” aka the mid bunk, I love this rig, thanks for sharing!
Wow! Overhead cabinets above the recliner! That's a rarity these days. Nice floor plan.
I however LOVE the pantry space
He's always obsessed with where to put his coffee station!
@@RecBuddha Yes he is wise when it comes to a cup of java!👍
Man these 5th wheel RVs keep getting bigger and fancier very year
Yep, agree about preferring a small counter there (best location) for coffee maker space. Necessity! Also, if they had built a desk into the 2nd bedroom it would be perfect! TFS 😊
Nice to see them using Azdel, the rest of the camper is okay I'm looking for a bunkhouse we need a toy hauler
Nice mid bunk 5th wheel. Thanks for the review and video JD.
I’d like too see side tables in the bedroom, a space for coffee maker instead of the additional pantry space and doors on the cabinet in the bathroom. The white upholstery looks nice but not practical for families with kids, at least not my grandson. I’d be cleaning it constantly. Love the Azdel sidewalls, easy upgrade on the suspension and tires. Not my favorite, but not too bad either.
Incredible size and sleeping room for that price! Nicely done!
This has a very nice floor plan. All the cabinet storage is really good to have. I don't care about having a space for a coffee maker. Having storage is more important.
I love this floor plan. Great price for the space. Definitely on my list.
I gotta get this just bought a crew ram 5500 so this will be great to take on family vacation with me
I would love to see your view on the forest river 356QBi fulltime in it with two kids an i think its the best layout by far.
Thank you for commenting this. My husband are looking for one perfect for us and two kids!! I will go check this one out
Interesting. Really hate the drawer pulls. Need side tables in master. I would want any storage places outside to key lock but never see that. Love the space layout and the kitchen is wonderful.
The housing prices here in California are ridiculous! I might have to purchase one of these bad boys for my 2 sons, wife and I!
The pantry is perfect!
My top rental for 2 years running that and my north trail travel ..
trailer sealed wet ya is awesome. It’s materials found in high end fishing boats ..
I’d like to see the widetrax suspension system that heartland offers
The outdoor kitchen could be better and they have it available
The side wall construction is pretty awesome. We had 4 RV’s destroyed in a massive hail storm not a scratch on these heartland models with the 2” foam aluminum design
We are trading it in and getting the 2 bathroom model
Very nice. Now let’s see a review of a Bowlus.
Loved this floor plan, very spacious. It needed the flip up bunk in the bunk house tho. I would have thought at this price point an outside kitchen would have already been in place. Was there a separation wall between the generator prep area and storage? Lot of bang for your buck with this coach.
Not a fan of lack of side table(s) in the master bedroom. Actually the master seems like a second thought. Some cool things going on and as usual always trade offs.
I completely agree. I don't care for these type of bedroom layouts and that was one of the defining features in our choosing the camper we bought (2017 Open Range 272RLS).
the generator place can be used for huge battery capacity rv has huge roof that can be used for solar panels this rv can has competely green electricity
Haha plenty of room to put the kids away.. :)
My 6 year said that as soon as you said it.
Wow, won't break the bank !
Almost exactly what I'm looking for. The cabinetry in the master bedroom was kinda blah though. Would prefer a smaller window and more dresser/possibly a 2nd fireplace and a TV area centered in front of the bed.
Otherwise, yeah, looked nice! Totally would turn the mid bunk room into my office/computer room. How much weight can one of those slides support? Couple hundred pounds?
It doesn't come with the thicker baggage doors. I need the thicker or denser baggage doors.
When is a manufacturer going to pipe ac into a midbunk? It seems like it would be easy to put a duct in the wall by the kitchen pantry. We love our 392 mbl but we can't close the door to the room because it gets way to hot.
I think I found my future RV 😁
Can you get into the fridge when the slide is closed?
Basically the keystone cougar 368MBI?
Throw a couple of TV tray tables in that mid bunk and you can have some work space when the bed isn't deployed. It's really a shame there isn't more space to work with, though.
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All in all, not super impressed with this one. I don't hate it, but it really doesn't wow me, especially at that size.
Love. Love this one
I love this one!
Guss with the 2002 F250 is going to attempt to make this happen! !!! Lol!!!
If it's diesel or a v10 it will be just fine, if anything spend $500 on firestone airbags to help with squat and you'll be fine. No reason to get another truck.
Whats a good Midbunk 5th wheel for a 2016 dodge 2500 megacab
bout time they figured out that you can't take a drop frame anywhere but Rv parks, so most of us won't but one because it's a one-trick pony that cant travel down most of the basic dirt roads out west, any kind of transition up or down and it's a NO-GO Hello to Half your sales?? I think they intended at a makeshift coffee counter on either end of the island since there are plugs and its extra-large especially the end near the fridge would work... but they could have notched just 18 inches verticaly out of the pantry and stuck in a (coffee Shelf) with pantry still above and below
A nice setup! I’m more of a fan of the booth dinette but this is a nice camper!
Nice 5th wheel if the up grade on the suspension is not very expensive why don't the manufacturer just install it at the factory couldn't add that much to the price, very nice interior, I agree could have done a little different design on the cabinets on that side wall, over all nice looking
Do the hemisphere/heritage Glen 290rl fifth wheel
Hello I'm trying to get some help.
I have a 2014 Ford Expedition XLT. What do you recommend I can SAFETY pull with this family SUV?
I'm glad there is no coffee station. We don't drink it.
I wonder if those sofas are comfortable to sleep on. Or if they feel weird to sleep on them...
For the money, would you go with this one or the Chaparrsl from the other day? And why?
If I won the lottery and if this was rated for Canadian 4 seasons (I would live year round instead of rent) I would get this!
Yay. It looks like NO carpet on loft floor
Very nice !
What I’ve noticed in 5th wheel they don’t offer tankless water heater. Any reason way?
So, something to note about the RV industry is that they generally go with products that have been tested and used for a long time. Tankless heaters as well as other cool innovations tend to come with increased warranty claims that dealers sometimes don’t respond to in a timely fashion.
You must be a caffeine addict. You are certainly hung up with coffee stations. To me it looked set up for one beside the stove. You could see the outlet there for it.
Like to have another bathroom.
The mid bunk is terrible! There's no space at the foot of the bed and the one who sleeps on the wall side has a problem if they have to get up in the night. Are they supposed to crawl over their bedmate?
Mid bunks can be challenging to design because of the space requirements needed for a bed
I just don’t understand why they don’t allow the doors to open up to the side. I don’t watch to duck and bent under that door to our things that might be over 30-40lbs even though I’m young, strong, healthy.
My parents divorced when I was 4 and I am 16 almost 17. My Birthday is July 27th. When I am with my dad and stepmom and half sisters, there is 5 people. When I am with my mom and stepdad, it is 3 people.
I'd rather not have a drop frame. I would prefer to have the 12 inch frame from front to back, not 8 inch back to 12.
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That mechanical and electrical closet for the hydraulics and electric is poorly managed. Wish they would have organized it and dressed it up better considering the price.
Too heavy for MY 1 Ton! You would need at least a 2017 or newer that has the towing capacity if SRW. Older trucks, Dually territory only because of payload. That's a heavy bugger. Soon as I saw it, I'm guessing, 16K. Yep, 16K. Heavier frame, and the rack & pinion slides add a lot of weight.
Are you and Haylet RV the same guy? Y'all sound the same lol.
No. At a thousand plus miles apart
I knew they were not but the they do have similar tone patterns.
I thought you said that the slide with the dining table came into the trailer such that it blocked the kitchen! That would be an absolute no go for us. You couldn’t get to the frig or anything. We want to get to the frig and the table when we stop during our journey. When our slides are in the only thing we can’t get to is the tv, fireplace and one recliner. The entire kitchen is completely open and available for use. I really don’t like cables. I’ve seen the rubber torn up by the cables. It is pretty, has a nice floor plan. The leveling control is on the front of the RV totally exposed to the weather, rocks, etc. that is horrible. The only thing this unit has going for it is the azdel 2” thick side walls. Incandescent lights?! All bling but lacking in many critical areas. I wouldn’t buy it. It is very inexpensive, so much so that it seems cheap.
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Looks like a cheap version of the jayco 355mbqs
Edit a really cheap version for not much saved value.
Other than the azdel which I dont believe my jayco has and the hydrolic level system my jayco is an upgrade in every way.
Still I don't think the electric stabilizer jacks are any worse than the hydrolic version
I wouldn't tow this with anything less than a Ferd F-Teenthousand.
I had to lemon law a Heartland fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Would never buy anything from them or their company again!!!!
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Pointing out so many negative things. Maybe someone who actually likes the units should do videos. With a large family you DO need all that pantry space.
The cost of being as unbiased as possible
The master is really blah! Seen far nicer masters in other 5th wheels. The rest of the rig is nice not breathtaking.