Tau: What is the character of the ANC today?

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  • Political analyst Rebone Tau says there are questions about the ANC's
    character currently. "Does the ANC still represent the ANC led by OR
    Tambo?" This is as the ANC will resume coalition talks with parties
    ideally with similar ideological views.
    Tune into Newzroom Afrika DStv channel 405 for more.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 184

  • @jimmycricket5366
    @jimmycricket5366 2 місяці тому +37

    This guy is a great analyst. Bring him on again!

    • @KNathi1
      @KNathi1 2 місяці тому

      She's a woman.

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

      What's new or original in what he's saying?

    • @mzee5533
      @mzee5533 2 місяці тому +5

      Is this a guy or them

    • @muzikamabika5124
      @muzikamabika5124 2 місяці тому +3

      Maybe saying Analyst would be appropriate, I think

    • @patrickyakobe9685
      @patrickyakobe9685 2 місяці тому +1

      The future is great!

  • @mzanzifosho1
    @mzanzifosho1 2 місяці тому +8

    First analyst to speak about the problem of ANC comrades flaunting their wealth. People hate it!

  • @tsekomofokeng182
    @tsekomofokeng182 2 місяці тому +50

    Is not about Ramaphosa. The whole ANC is dysfunctional.

    • @nhlanhlamahlangu2895
      @nhlanhlamahlangu2895 2 місяці тому +5

      😂😂😂 well Mbalula says he is a no go zone! The coalition that makes sense for ANC is the coalition that protects the interest of the ANC

    • @user-qq2oh4pt9h
      @user-qq2oh4pt9h 2 місяці тому +2

      @@nhlanhlamahlangu2895 they have to look for corrupt coalition.

    • @josephmkhondo125
      @josephmkhondo125 2 місяці тому

      f RSA did not vote for ANC(51%) why talk about coalition with the ANC, opposition parties have the opportunities now to destroy the ANC for the first time in history that is if they really wanted to destroy it. So the opposition must come together and govern this country they have 59.5% on national assembly. for now this parties must forget about their policies but building this country eg health, road, water, electricity , crime , jobs, illegal immigration, corruption. with this alone this parties can work together their extreme policies must be put on the shelves this is the coalition not an outright majority vote. if any party will try to resurrect the dying ANC come 2026 that party must be punished.

  • @velelambeuralukakevideos372
    @velelambeuralukakevideos372 2 місяці тому +24

    I think Ramaphosa’s himself costed himself because he was so scared to fire or discipline his membership in parliament.
    Ramaphosa was too soft to his members

  • @hlalelekobo4389
    @hlalelekobo4389 2 місяці тому +6

    Rebone is spot on,the ANC is too complacent and they lying to themselves

  • @kitsosegomotso2852
    @kitsosegomotso2852 2 місяці тому +21

    The Stockholm syndrome between ANC and SA is crazy 🤞🏾🤞🏾

  • @VictorShongwe-eh3sc
    @VictorShongwe-eh3sc 2 місяці тому +13

    This is a political analyst

  • @maurchesnyman3955
    @maurchesnyman3955 2 місяці тому +7

    ANC should now really change and think of the people of SA instead of their party.

  • @LancePhillip212
    @LancePhillip212 2 місяці тому +4

    I quite enjoyed the insightful analysis, and the calm manner in which the opinions were stated

  • @user-fc1vs6ve6q
    @user-fc1vs6ve6q 2 місяці тому +28

    ANC problem they are afraid to hold each other Accountable from Top to bottom these ANC is Corrupt and very Cruel yoh...!!🤮🤮🤮🤮🤦🤦

  • @mvubu6823
    @mvubu6823 2 місяці тому +4

    Excellent analysis. The best I've ever heard.
    It explains the ANC perfectly and also rhe woes of the country .
    These little municipal kingdoms that are totally unaccountable have destroyed the fabric of the country.
    And that they are unemployable outside sheltered employment of the ANC makes it even more accute.

  • @jeandrerhodes5574
    @jeandrerhodes5574 2 місяці тому +3

    It was beautiful listening to this conversation. Like music to my hears.

  • @maryjooste6161
    @maryjooste6161 2 місяці тому +2

    I agree with you most anc caders is to blame not Cyril why thy do not going thy work

  • @MKL_D
    @MKL_D 2 місяці тому +2

    Thank you. The problem is not the driver, the car is just unroadworthy and unserviceable.

  • @ManteMumty
    @ManteMumty 2 місяці тому +2

    Since ANC lost majority, we are all on our own. Responsibilities are on all and no one can blame one party for future failures of this country

  • @Talithacum.2024
    @Talithacum.2024 2 місяці тому +3

    This guy is excellent.... Very good analysis

  • @dailyshowtelevisiondstv5585
    @dailyshowtelevisiondstv5585 2 місяці тому +14

    ANC is about to fall into Moon shot pack trap😂😂😂😂

    • @AndrewMcFarlane_1
      @AndrewMcFarlane_1 2 місяці тому +2

      Who's fault is that?

    • @nhlanhlamahlangu2895
      @nhlanhlamahlangu2895 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@@AndrewMcFarlane_1Phalaphala Ramaphosa, Dubai Mbalula, Waterfall Mashatile, NSFAS Nzimande, Bosasa Mokonyane, Military Nqakula the list is endless

    • @TSG0195
      @TSG0195 2 місяці тому

      @@AndrewMcFarlane_1 ANC's of course

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому +4

      ​@@nhlanhlamahlangu2895Guptas and Nkandla gate zuma

  • @nhlanhlamahlangu2895
    @nhlanhlamahlangu2895 2 місяці тому +13

    Unfortunately for ANC now is about the survival of the fittest, either way if Ramaphosa is not sacrificed then they will have to form coalition with the EFF+PA or with D.A of which the defenders of Ramaphosa will have to face the axe that's simple not *rocket science*. Mbalula/Cele/Mchunu/Nzimande/Mokonyane/Mantashe/Lamola/Mashatile/Ngodogwane will watch parliament from home under ANC/D.A coalition.

    • @user-fc1vs6ve6q
      @user-fc1vs6ve6q 2 місяці тому

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌🤞💥💨

    • @phumlamazibuko3003
      @phumlamazibuko3003 2 місяці тому

      Failed to unseat now begging 😂😂😂😂 coalition

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

      Lamola and Mchunu are not bad.. In the top 7 only Gwen should remain. The top 7 brought us here. As for nomvula and fikile......hhayi khona!!!

    • @glenngwenya1084
      @glenngwenya1084 2 місяці тому

      As for watching parliament from home🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @josephmkhondo125
      @josephmkhondo125 2 місяці тому

      If RSA did not vote for ANC(51%) why talk about coalition with the ANC, opposition parties have the opportunities now to destroy the ANC for the first time in history that is if they really wanted to destroy it. So the opposition must come together and govern this country they have 59.5% on national assembly. for now this parties must forget about their policies but building this country eg health, road, water, electricity , crime , jobs, illegal immigration, corruption. with this alone this parties can work together their extreme policies must be put on the shelves this is the coalition not an outright majority vote. if any party will try to resurrect the dying ANC come 2026 that party must be punished.

  • @giftndiweni9730
    @giftndiweni9730 2 місяці тому +5

    Intelligent guest

  • @-ef5sz
    @-ef5sz 2 місяці тому +17

    Great analysis 👌

  • @phumelelongxangane6493
    @phumelelongxangane6493 2 місяці тому +3

    Rebone is good analyst. Analysis is about available data. Not about social nedia opinions. Others do analyse that that but Renone is using his data.

  • @emmo2850
    @emmo2850 2 місяці тому +2

    Discipline and proper human behavior could have resolved a lot of problems. ANC have none of those elements nor their supporters. Can’t take them anywhere

  • @shane-uk7on
    @shane-uk7on 2 місяці тому +5

    This is really not about President Ramaphosa and l want to believe those who want him out are still those who work with zuma

    • @nobukhosizungu2078
      @nobukhosizungu2078 2 місяці тому +1

      Hahaha waze wangihlekisa 😂😂😂😂

    • @aerolemuleya231
      @aerolemuleya231 2 місяці тому +1

      He does not have balls, he is not decisive when coming to serious issues, He can't stand his ground as a Stateman like many others who passed :"Makahambe.....

    • @dannym7593
      @dannym7593 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@aerolemuleya231😂😂You're delusional, Zuma stood his ground by selling our country to the Guptas? Don't runaway from the facts.

  • @ramekgwedanieltjikila1534
    @ramekgwedanieltjikila1534 2 місяці тому +1

    I love her analysis so much❤

  • @BJamnes29
    @BJamnes29 2 місяці тому +4

    When entering negotiations, everyone has to be open minded and that is how it's done. No is not an option.

  • @phumelelongxangane6493
    @phumelelongxangane6493 2 місяці тому +2

    It is not Ramaphosa who took the party it's the people who voted and the 10 million who didn't vote.

    • @KaygeeAMO
      @KaygeeAMO 2 місяці тому

      Yes they didn't vote because they lost confidence in Ramaphosa administration

  • @AioniaOmorfia-hl9pg
    @AioniaOmorfia-hl9pg 2 місяці тому +3

    Very insightful ❤

  • @michelmuller6023
    @michelmuller6023 2 місяці тому +5

    What is this person's name? The new generation. Great!

  • @user-cz5il1vu3w
    @user-cz5il1vu3w 2 місяці тому +6

    The future of political spectrum of South Africa is at a very terrible junction. Just watch the space. ANC is done. The game player here is JZ. His shrewedness has crippled ANC 😢

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

      Mkp after zuma will be a joke

    • @josephmkhondo125
      @josephmkhondo125 2 місяці тому

      f RSA did not vote for ANC(51%) why talk about coalition with the ANC, opposition parties have the opportunities now to destroy the ANC for the first time in history that is if they really wanted to destroy it. So the opposition must come together and govern this country they have 59.5% on national assembly. for now this parties must forget about their policies but building this country eg health, road, water, electricity , crime , jobs, illegal immigration, corruption. with this alone this parties can work together their extreme policies must be put on the shelves this is the coalition not an outright majority vote. if any party will try to resurrect the dying ANC come 2026 that party must be punished.

    • @josephmkhondo125
      @josephmkhondo125 2 місяці тому +1

      @@nomagcisacawe3297 your comment does not make sense based on how the MK have managed it self thus far, look at it legal battles, they won, how MK was planned and formed how they campaigned, the results KZN 40% National 15%, have you had the spokesperson of the MK when interviewed the brain and wisdom, how they handled the press conference at The Roc IEC, how they handled the matter of those smaller parties, come 2026 in KZN the ANC will not govern any local municipality, be careful of the support JZ have in KZN and in SA, people are not aware that JZ when he was the President was attacked by the media and hated by the colonizer for what he did in Afrika and black business in RSA, so JZ is the threat to white minority privileges. JZ is better than Cyril because he has learned and will correct his mistakes because his support is black people while Cyril on the other hand is supported by white business. MK will grow stronger.

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

      @@josephmkhondo125 you sound very young.

    • @ohlangeni
      @ohlangeni 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@nomagcisacawe3297 You sound like a Village !diot

  • @clanmasipa1197
    @clanmasipa1197 2 місяці тому +2

    Great analyst

  • @markwinter7511
    @markwinter7511 2 місяці тому +3

    In the end SA politics will be a contest between the centre and the radical left. What we are seeing now is just a movement in that inevitable direction. Up until now the ANC has been a so called broad church keeping everyone happy. But now it will have to decide what it wants to be.
    If you believe that the manifestos of MK and EFF will grow this economy and create jobs then you must go that way. If you think that the ANC and DA can do the job with a more centrist approach then you must declare yourself. Either way you cant hide anymore and the contest must take place.

  • @LwandleKwekwezi-dl7nv
    @LwandleKwekwezi-dl7nv 2 місяці тому +3

    To ANC the words accountability, credibility and renewing are meaningless but a song they sing for 20yrs with the aim of convincing citizens that they are the right organization to serve the people. 😂😂

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

      Correct. There was no intention in any of their utterances.

  • @EllenZodwaDube
    @EllenZodwaDube 2 місяці тому +1

    Viva Msholozi Mkhonto Alluta Continua siyanqoba from Gauteng eKurhuleni Tembisa true Tau seconded what ever you say this people doesn't care about us they are still going to lose the Metropolitan the gravey train it's over train it's over this criminals I'm leaving with my grand I got a daughter who has a Political degree she graduated 2019 even now no job viva Mkhonto 💚💚💚

  • @masixolesizani2349
    @masixolesizani2349 2 місяці тому +3

    Zuma was removed bcoz he lost metros but this one lost a whole nation but is still protected 😮

    • @ThabsileLeshoro
      @ThabsileLeshoro 2 місяці тому +1

      😂😂😂😂

    • @dannym7593
      @dannym7593 2 місяці тому

      Words fall from mouth as shi@t from azz.

  • @KKOPPONG
    @KKOPPONG 2 місяці тому +1

    The are no words to express how much Cyril disappointed us🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @edwardsmall8865
      @edwardsmall8865 2 місяці тому

      Blame big business.

    • @KKOPPONG
      @KKOPPONG 2 місяці тому

      @@edwardsmall8865 ey man big business isn’t happy about load shedding and they definitely ain’t happy about this NHI bullshit he thought was gonna get him votes, big business had nothing to do with Phala Phala…look at the sales of SOE’s they didn’t go to big business they went to some unknown shadow realms no one has ever heard of. The guy is just incompetent🤦🏿‍♂️

  • @obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou
    @obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou 2 місяці тому +2

    Let ramsy head anc but not our country,he has infuriated too many of us,there is only one man that stands on moral high ground Mogoeng Mogoeng, the honour must be bestowed upon this sent man,we love MM.

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

      Mogoeng, from which party?

    • @obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou
      @obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou 2 місяці тому

      Ex rsa chief Justice now retired,Google he is trusted honest man.

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

      @@obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou He's not political. I know him from Mahikeng, long before the CJ title.

    • @MissSlenda
      @MissSlenda 2 місяці тому

      From God's party. Wish God will use him. A country dont need politics and politicians to function. Have you ever heard of when they say the people will govern this is the time that the people will govern this country to make it work again.😅😅😅 ​@nomagcisacawe3297

    • @busisiwemalunga2957
      @busisiwemalunga2957 2 місяці тому

      Neutral president will do great for this failing country, let's pray for MM to take over this presidency

  • @christinevandermerwe-gl2sm
    @christinevandermerwe-gl2sm 2 місяці тому

    Greed and corruption top to bottom!!!!!

  • @NgariiT
    @NgariiT 2 місяці тому +1

    Preach!!

  • @sibongilechakela4468
    @sibongilechakela4468 2 місяці тому +2

    We need a neutral president

  • @nomagcisacawe3297
    @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

    Mogoeng from which party?

  • @mtetelelimrwetyana2002
    @mtetelelimrwetyana2002 2 місяці тому

    ANC can save ANC by removing Ramaphosa and many within don't want him and definitely he is going

  • @siphodlamini8860
    @siphodlamini8860 2 місяці тому +6

    When Zuma was president every anc problem was blamed on him. Now that its Ramaphosa, the whole anc must take the blame. The man took the party from 57% to 40%

    • @ThabsileLeshoro
      @ThabsileLeshoro 2 місяці тому

      The whole 17%😳

    • @dannym7593
      @dannym7593 2 місяці тому

      It's the work of butternut head who divided the party and the country, threatening violence. Zuma must actually be charged of treason. He has no interest in building SA but personal vendetta against Ramaphosa. I wonder why?

  • @emmo2850
    @emmo2850 2 місяці тому

    Lifestyle audits on politicians must drop now

  • @lucasmokou1676
    @lucasmokou1676 2 місяці тому

    The same thing they did to SOEs is happening to them

  • @akhonadyi3602
    @akhonadyi3602 2 місяці тому

    Get a president that is not from any of the party that will come together

  • @peterkraal84
    @peterkraal84 2 місяці тому

    😂😂 my brother last year I says anc members frm A to Z in government their thoughts thts they own the masses. Always they gonna saying we done mistakes we are sori we will fix our mistakes. And Ntate bishop Tutu has warned them .I told many people most of the are not gonna make it back in parliament and province

  • @denverchetty5958
    @denverchetty5958 2 місяці тому +13

    ramaphosa must go.

    • @VeliswaVakalisa
      @VeliswaVakalisa 2 місяці тому +1

      I agree he must go

    • @88motho
      @88motho 2 місяці тому +1

      I agree, he is weak.

    • @thusoprincetshivhase8913
      @thusoprincetshivhase8913 2 місяці тому

      Yes, he is gone, but it will bring any difference in our country, or if anc is out, DA, MK,EFF. Are they going to create jobs? Are we going to see any difference in our country?

    • @MKL_D
      @MKL_D 2 місяці тому

      Then what?

    • @ManteMumty
      @ManteMumty 2 місяці тому

      ANC is no longer sole responsible for everything to happen in South African political space, influence of parties in coalition will remain scape goat for every appointed leader like what's happening on Johannesburg and other Metros

  • @user-md4op6ko3y
    @user-md4op6ko3y 2 місяці тому

    The ANC would be wise to go into a coalition with the DA to ward of the EFF and MK

    • @nhlanhlamahlangu2895
      @nhlanhlamahlangu2895 2 місяці тому +1

      Coalition with the D.A is a demise for most ANC criminals 😂😂😂

  • @Les882
    @Les882 2 місяці тому +6

    Viva Eff ❤❤❤

    • @mzee5533
      @mzee5533 2 місяці тому +3

      Forget about malema wena he lost it this time around. Soon he will digging mbambaila in Limpopo

    • @Sillymawena
      @Sillymawena 2 місяці тому +2

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    •  2 місяці тому

      Sure viva 9 % wake up communism never worked anywhere in the world

  • @greatartthoumaluleka6740
    @greatartthoumaluleka6740 2 місяці тому

    Theres a good reason Mandela never advised him for Deputy niether did Mbeki so whats all this suprise about the man

  • @thabangzaula2873
    @thabangzaula2873 2 місяці тому

    Matan even voice 🤔

  • @ThembaCindi-yy7yo
    @ThembaCindi-yy7yo 2 місяці тому

    Ramaphosa or No Ramaphosa.ANC is no more.South Africans are smart people.Gradually process to claim its oblivion reward.

  • @MapholobaMaps-rh6db
    @MapholobaMaps-rh6db 2 місяці тому +6

    Ramaphosa must step down as a President he failed to rule the country of South Africa

    • @dannym7593
      @dannym7593 2 місяці тому +2

      He failed because of what Zuma did with his Gupta friends.

  • @patmdoda9567
    @patmdoda9567 2 місяці тому

    Ramaphosa is the cause of the recent demise of the ANC

  • @fredbantu3694
    @fredbantu3694 2 місяці тому

    The ANC wont change nothing their mandate is keep the natives poor.

  •  2 місяці тому

    Rama spreads like butter but will never be butter he made it clear that the ANC comes first not the citizens of South Africa

  • @peacefulheart1431
    @peacefulheart1431 2 місяці тому

    ANC fears jails

  • @KaygeeAMO
    @KaygeeAMO 2 місяці тому

    Ramaphosa is here to stay.

  • @greatartthoumaluleka6740
    @greatartthoumaluleka6740 2 місяці тому

    ANC doesnt hold patents, trademarks etc ANC doesnt own the JSE ANC surely doesnt propel Bantu ownership at all.

  • @aboobongani7727
    @aboobongani7727 2 місяці тому

    Ramaphosa must go

  • @sasha8664
    @sasha8664 2 місяці тому +1

    AnC can renew now.MK thugs have been seperated

    • @VictorShongwe-eh3sc
      @VictorShongwe-eh3sc 2 місяці тому +1

      Phalaphala

    • @sasha8664
      @sasha8664 2 місяці тому +3

      @@VictorShongwe-eh3sc Phala is better than State Capture

    • @josephmkhondo125
      @josephmkhondo125 2 місяці тому +1

      @@sasha8664 your comment is void of understanding, if you admit that there is phala phala why dont you ask yourself then that why is he not charged, ... if you think deeper on this then you will now what is state capture and the plutocracy - money controlling political out comes. think first next time. dont comment based on emotions with your comment educate the nation.

  • @emmo2850
    @emmo2850 2 місяці тому

    Cgi

  • @mphomalete4701
    @mphomalete4701 2 місяці тому +3

    Phala-phala killed the ANC

  • @posopeta5071
    @posopeta5071 2 місяці тому +3

    I don't think she is for the public, it seems she is more of a DA fan.

  • @user-md5ux8cj5w
    @user-md5ux8cj5w 2 місяці тому +1

    This is bullshit, who is this? What this guy is saying does not make sense at all, in fact, he doesn't understand politics. How can you say a political party should not complain if they feel that the results were rigged. Just because the EFF has accepted the results that means other parties should do the same? What is that? Each political party has a right to complain about the results is they feel that the results were rigged period, not this nonsense this guy is saying. You talk about being held accountable but at the same time you say certain people should not be held accountable if they are doing wrong. You are talking nonsense my sister/ brother. It's not the political party's job to do calculations but theirs is complain if they feel that the results were rigged.,provided that there's enough evidence for their complain. Here we are talking about 26 parties who are not happy with the results, that alone is enough for iec br worried about the manner in which the recording of the results was handled . Bad analysis from the guest in the studio

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 2 місяці тому

      I agree with you. Also, like all these so-called analysts, he repeats what we already know.

  • @artsbysbu4938
    @artsbysbu4938 2 місяці тому

    opp

  • @user-md5ux8cj5w
    @user-md5ux8cj5w 2 місяці тому +2

    What is wrong with this analyst? Al jeema should not complain because the ANC gave them a position in Gauteng? What a hypocrite, what is this. This guy is not an analyst seriously.

    • @31wiseman
      @31wiseman 2 місяці тому +1

      This one is a Ramaphosa stooge

  • @afroisme5750
    @afroisme5750 2 місяці тому +1

    ...is thid analyst s he or she or ....

  • @31wiseman
    @31wiseman 2 місяці тому

    Such poor analysis, this one is a Ramaphosa stooge parading himself as an analyst

  • @aarongunnz9513
    @aarongunnz9513 2 місяці тому +7

    Zuma cannot be scientific cos he can't count

    • @nomsashezi9775
      @nomsashezi9775 2 місяці тому

      Yet he beat All your degree laden “leaders”
      Somethings can’t be learnt in school but hey what do we know, give us the Queens English

    • @TSG0195
      @TSG0195 2 місяці тому +3

      He sacrificed everything so that we can count. And boy can we count for him .... JGZ our leader - VIVA MK!

    • @phumlamazibuko3003
      @phumlamazibuko3003 2 місяці тому +2

      Lazy thinker👺

    • @phumlamazibuko3003
      @phumlamazibuko3003 2 місяці тому +2

      Don't talk nonsense

    • @VictorShongwe-eh3sc
      @VictorShongwe-eh3sc 2 місяці тому

      Phalaphala can count and bank under mattress

  • @user-lf8xp2lw7b
    @user-lf8xp2lw7b 2 місяці тому

    Someone to 1st explain is he or she.. its a 2 in 1😂

    • @TSG0195
      @TSG0195 2 місяці тому

      🙆🏽‍♀🙆🏽‍♀🙆🏽‍♀

    • @sabbiestrp3385
      @sabbiestrp3385 2 місяці тому

      Is a She just lesbian

    • @WamoAfrica
      @WamoAfrica 2 місяці тому

      Don't be that guy... Khuzeka

    • @mmeme5861
      @mmeme5861 2 місяці тому +2

      This is a woman....ufuna ukuthini

    • @siyabongakoyo238
      @siyabongakoyo238 2 місяці тому +1

      Does that matter though, wens are you a he a or she ? Just listen to the analysis that's all. As human beings we need to agree to disagree. He is voicing his opinions and they do not have to be similar to yours.