If you’ve watched ‘Who Do You Think You Are’, you’ll know that Matthew’s paternal great-great-grandfather, Robert Martindale, fought and died in the Civil War.
I loved how Forbes thought Shaw doing it was crazy, and was laughing. But he was so taken by Shaw wanting him to come lead alongside him, that somebody saw that he could lead, that he was flattered. Then at the end, when Shaw falls, he is fearless and shows what Shaw saw in him all along.
Every character was painstakingly done to represent each historical personality. Look at Frederick Douglass! It is almost like the producer sent someone back in time to ask him to play this role.
Frederick Douglas’ son served under Shaw’s command and was wounded in the battery of fort Wagner. It was deeply personal to Douglas for many reasons. His own child was staking his life on Shaw’s ability to command.
Forbes! Great performance by Cary Elwes. Forbes is really my favorite character. A loyal friend, an advisor, second in command, and overall a good officer
@@LovesandCuddles Historically speaking? Of course not! As far as the movie goes, which is what I was referring to, Thomas was Colonel Shaw's first black volunteer, which I'm sure you knew. 🔫
Cary should have played Shaw. Broderick was all wrong for the role. As a side note... after Princess Bride, I would have bet money that Cary was going to become a major star. For whatever reason it just never happened.
I remember seeing Ferris Bueler become Shaw and it was a strange role to see him in, but I believe it was perfect for him. We saw him as a rich popular kid who did not belong in that role, which is basically who he is playing as Shaw, a rich popular kid who somehow becomes a Colonel in the Union Army, so it kind of fits perfectly. For the longest time I could not picture him as who he played because of who he is, but now as I am older I cannot picture anyone else in the role. Whenever I see Cary Elwes I just think of Princess Bride and the Dread Pirate Roberts. No one of consequence.@@edfelstein3891
Spoiler here so no complaining: 3:05 "I've never been in charge of anything". Says the man that takes charge after his CO is killed, jumps over a rampart with a pistol in one hand, and a saber in the other, and LITERALLY leads a charge straight into cannon fire.
One thing that really stuck out in Broderick’s role in this movie was how it greatly depicted his young inexperienced attitude in taking up such a position of authority as well as how he was deeply frightened by his experience of war, firsthand. It showed many struggles on all fronts in the movie by each character. It was very well made and put together
I always remember this scene because it shows how Forbes hid his insecurities under a carefree demeanor. But so many times later on, he showed courage and confidence.
Exactly. I was just typing a comment about how later on in the movie, we see just how much Forbes underestimated himself in this scene. Cary Elwes knocked this role out of the park. Major Forbes brought an air of genuine compassion and humanity to every scene he was in. He was and still is one of my favorite characters in this movie.
It's just his friendly banter, deprecating himself.. to encourage Shaw's on his decision. Forbes is actually the first officer who criticizes Shaw in this film, before Shaw changes.
Agreed, amazing performances by Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman. Mathew Broderick was good too, but I am an eighties kid and I couldn't help keep thinking of Ferris Bueller. But overall the film was spectacular
Interesting thing to note: in historical movies there's usually this certain air of importance and general feeling of gravitas given when our main character meets a truly earth shatteringly important historical figure. I like that in this movie, that moment is given to Frederick Douglas
Forbes was such a great character. One of many great characters but to me he stuck out the most simply for his journey from a playboy, privileged soldier who has never been in charge of anything and has no confidence in himself whatsoever; to a man who took command of his regiment with sword and revolver in hand taking the 54th into the center of a fort that no regiment had any hope of reaching the walls of. He starts off as an obstinate, undisciplined, drunken buffoon and ends a badass. I can relate to him in a way as a screw up myself and more over it was just a great character arch that showed just how much Robert Shaws belief in his regiment and his personal cause of liberation and exaltation of African Americans, that no one in the 54th was the same by the end of his young life. This movie deserved its Oscar and should be required viewing in history classes. Simply brilliant work and a worthy tribute to the brave men of the 54th Massachusetts. Rest in glory lads. You earned it!
Forbes is Shaw's alter ego. In this scene, the left/right screen shows that Shaw is simply talking to himself. He's of two minds. He's conflicted. Forbes on the left is the side of Shaw that wants comfort and safety and has a lot of doubt. Shaw on the right is the bold, confident idealist. "I want you to come with me" is Shaw's entry to himself to go all-in and dismiss his doubts. Throughout the movie, Forbes emotes the conflict within Shaw, the temptation to not take any of this seriously and slack off. It's a brilliant use of the personification of conflict with oneself.
At the beginning of the scene, you see Shaw's father pontificating as well as the others at a dinner party. I think Shaw needing to excuse himself was because he was the only one in the room who KNEW what was being asked of him. It's easy being all noble at a dinner party but it is a whole other thing to being willing to risk and probably lose your life for those ideals. Shaw knew what was at stake yet agreed and led his men into the history books.
Great comment! So true. When his men got their rifles for the first time and were playing with them pretending to kill each other he heard the voice of his CO who got his head blown off “For God’s sake come on!” Shaw had PTSD from Antietam as seen when the shutters banging shut caused him to jump and spill his punch. He was shell shocked. He had seen war. He knew what his men faced. He knew what he faced. And as he said “I owe them my life if necessary”. Forbes didn’t get it at first but by the end of the film had grown up himself to understand the seriousness of his commitment and responsibility.
The Boston accents in this film sound representative of what we would've heard if we could go back in time to Boston in the 1860s. Similar to a Kennedy accent. The actors and dialogue coaches did a good job in this respect.
I love the initial reluctance to take command from them both, that's a real leadership quality. "Can you picture me in charge of a regiment? I couldn't picture me in charge of anything....." "I would be honoured to have you." "....well then you're an idiot!"
2:35 This was me in 1985 as a 17 year old boy telling my mother that I was joining the Marines because something in my heart told me it was I was put on this Earth for. My god, our household exploded that day, but I never budged.
@@glennmartin8664 And God bless the russpickin' gob squids who give us rides everywhere, and especially the Corpsmen who would go through the gates of Hell to get to a wounded Marine. Semper Fi, shipmates!!
I'm grateful to have had a wonderful 5th grade teacher, who among so many other great things, showed this movie in class as part of our Civil War history lesson. She found the perfect film which helped showcase so many facets of that war and era, and to this day I still revere the film. It's most definitely a classic.
The part where he gets a PTSD flashback during the party stuck with me. We luckily live at a time where we understand and know what war trauma does, and good methods to help.
Im grateful to have a 6th grade teacher who served in the 54th massachussettess regiment from start to the end of the civil war. Thank you Mr Morgan Freeman ! You are missed
Forbes had a very difficult time adjusting to his new role and separating himself from his opinions and personal connections, but in the end, he became the leader that Shaw knew he could be. That shows just how effective Shaw's leadership was not only for his soldiers but for the other officers.
I always thought it was funny how they introduce Fredrick Douglas at 0:20 with the smoke and slow turn like he was a bad ass. I mean, HE WAS, but still.
The way Robert was overcome with emotion, happens often. He has discernment ; he sees not the ego reasons, but the historical purpose of doing something .
A great movie about the civil war. It shows the context of why they fought, the loyalty among true friends, and how young men, just boys themselves, gave their lives for their belief's. My family fought in this war, and also the revolution and every war after that. It's just something we do. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine like myself. It's a calling to some of us.
This is a great movie. But my memory of it was as a young inexperienced teacher taking my classes to see it. We thought it would be an awesome opportunity for them to learn about the 54th Massachusetts. But the maturity level needed to be much higher for the students to handle the nuanced reality of the assault on Fort Wagner. I have always regreted it. Teachers beware! Those inner-city kids did not handle the end-game well. With more maturity over the years, of course, I would not take them to see this movie without a pre-viewing preparation that would be far more intense than what we gave them, especially the ending. There is so much injustice depicted in this movie, for the young minority students back then (Can't imagine for students today, I've been out of the field a while), that the "glory" of the charge on Fort Wagner was totally lost on them -- all they could see was the injustice of the entire thing.
It's a tough concept to grasp, that, back then, merely being perceived as human was a prize worth dying for. Everything at that age is "winning" and "being strong." It's a given at that age that everyone is born human and not a piece of property. Perhaps that's a victory and a sign of progress. But it's still very important to understand that it wasn't always the case, lest we repeat it. In that respect, the singing scene right before battle where Denzel's character says "We men, ain't we" is the crux of the movie. What comes after makes no difference. At that moment, they were men, not property. That's the victory. Credits could've rolled after that. Their ultimate death was just a punctuation mark.
A soldier's tale is not often a great one, especially in the Civil War. I am reminded of something Ataturk said to his Ottoman troops in WW I, "I am not ordering you to fight, I am ordering you to die. In the time it takes us to die, other men and other commanders can take our places". When Grant attacked in the Wilderness (around that same time), his troops pinned their names to their jackets. The 54th "ante'd up" just as much as any other regiment in the Civil War. RG Shaw at Antietam had his troops break and run. He knew what it would take. Winning in war isn't necessarily living. Especially at that time, you had to move across an open field, while artillery could easily get in 3-4 salvos, and then people with new, accurate and deadly rifles. The 54th was running on elan, if I remember he said they haven't slept for 3 days.
@LeftiftsAreScum Uh-huh. Yes the right wants to take back what's theirs, to make America great again. No victim complex there. No entitlement either. You're so entitled You've stolen the term conservative. Rail against participation trophies, but keep them rebel flags and statues...
If I remember right they didn't offer to return it, they attempted to taunt him with that fact he was buried in a Mass grave with them, to which his father responded “We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies," I have seen Shaw's sword which was on display for a short time here in Boston, his family recovered it years after the war.
@@Rikalonius I am decsentat of a 1st Texas Volunteer. But his Brother fought fought as regular Army under Caldwell, He was wounded at Gettysburg would die few from another wound that the doctor missed
I know right. After this role Braugher went on to play to damn good roles. One of them was Det. Frank Pembleton on Homicide Life on the Street. You must see his performance.
Having always watched this movie in my native language, I hadn't realized it up until now, especially because it's been quite some years since I last saw it and Capt. Holt looks quite different from young Thomas. But man, you are right and I've enjoyed this rivelation so much ^^.
This scene sums perfectly the idealism and a level of innocence that some in the north had. Of course, the majority were not idealists, instead many northerners were draftees.
I was a college student at SCAD in downtown Savannah and I remember when they shot this scene. It was in one of the squares and they covered all the streets with dirt in order to make a curate.
two things I loved about this movie was the patriotism shown (compared to a movie that would be made today) and not going over the top with the prejudice these honorable men suffered... $10 dollar pay instead of $13 and a further reduction for clothes. They could have focused on the prejudice instead they really honored the men.
It is still astonishing how many lives were thrown away during the Civil War because the tactics had not caught up with the advancements in weapons. Marching in lines across open fields into rifle and canister fire was just insane. This was the last war that marched soldiers to their deaths.
Such a GREAT film and Inspiring Story. Its sad that the land where Fort Wagner stood and where the 54th Massachusetts died is now under water. I think that South Carolina and the National Park Service should restore the area to its formidable stature and that the names and stories of those who died there be memorialized there FOREVER.
Morris Island is not entirely underwater. I have been out there, and Cummins Point is still dry ground. Two of my great great uncles fell there, in the 67th Ohio.
Any Actor of any major degree has one great Part within them to play. Denzel Washington has Cry Freedom.. Tony Danza has Freedom Fighter.. Mathew Broderick has Glory.. We who do not, at least have to be worthy
In the singing before the battle at James. There is ONE, light skin, light eyed black soldier, who was actually a Staff Sergeant in HHC 1/75 Ranger Regiment during the filming. I can't remember his name, but I can verify he served and his rank.
@StarWarsObservation-vs2sg I wouldn't say that to his face, master parachutist badge and Ranger tab.🤷♂️ he'd smoke most on the PT test. But you go ahead with your opinion
Being in command of an all black regiment at the time was not favorably looked upon since there was a lot of prejudice against them, even in the North. Shaw was one of the few who would have been willing to accept the position, hence the rapid rank advancement.
These scenes were shot at the Mercer Williams house in Savannah Georgia. It had been previously owned by the family of Johnny Mercer's (the singer) family and a few years before they filmed "Glory" the house had been the site of an infamous shooting where the owner, Jim Williams, shot and killed his male lover... The book and film "Midnight in the garden of Good and Evil" are based on the events surrounding the shooting.
@@VloggingThroughHistory I don't remember but I think I remember hearing that he never actually got to live there... Neither did Johnny Mercer for that matter.
The only thing that bothered me about this movie was that the actor portraying Frederick Douglass is too old. Douglass was born in 1818. This was around 1863-1864 I assume, so Douglass should be in his mid 40s.
@@toddw14 It's good they are still showing it. For myself, until I saw that movie I never really saw both sides. All the text books paint the North as the heros, when they were not.
I wouldn’t doubt it, it’s almost as if they’d rather you see the sad victimized parts instead of hearing about Nat Turner’s Slave Rebellion or in this case the 54th
@@toddw14 I wouldn't go so far as to say "just as racist" but sentiments are certainly much muddier than many would like to think, the movie Lincoln also portrays this well where people talk about not wanting their kids to die over black people and someone telling Lincoln they only care about freeing slaves if it ends the war faster
This was Matthew Broderick's finest role.
This and lion king
Definitely beats The Cable Guy
@@jujubee1290 😂😂😂
If you’ve watched ‘Who Do You Think You Are’, you’ll know that Matthew’s paternal great-great-grandfather, Robert Martindale, fought and died in the Civil War.
what about when he killed that lady in a car crash?
I loved how Forbes thought Shaw doing it was crazy, and was laughing. But he was so taken by Shaw wanting him to come lead alongside him, that somebody saw that he could lead, that he was flattered. Then at the end, when Shaw falls, he is fearless and shows what Shaw saw in him all along.
He really was the second in command, the second leader. As soon as Shaw died, he took control and was unquestionably brave
Ah jeez, SPOILER ALERT, fellas!
@@valomar00 Yeah, I hate when people do this.
@@raftai665me too! Just the other day someone ruined the ending of Citizen Kane for me! The nerve, I had JUST gotten around to watching it!
Why are ya'll complaining about Spoilers? Movie came out in the 90s. Way past the Spoiler etiquette of 4-5 weeks.
Every character was painstakingly done to represent each historical personality. Look at Frederick Douglass!
It is almost like the producer sent someone back in time to ask him to play this role.
Frederick Douglas’ son served under Shaw’s command and was wounded in the battery of fort Wagner. It was deeply personal to Douglas for many reasons. His own child was staking his life on Shaw’s ability to command.
Rest in Peace Andre Braugher 1962 - 2023 as Thomas in Glory film Scene
A fine and brilliant actor
"I'll see you in the fort, Thomas..."
"...then I am your first volunteer!"
My favorite line in the whole movie; and that's saying a lot! 😃
RIP captain
Forbes! Great performance by Cary Elwes. Forbes is really my favorite character. A loyal friend, an advisor, second in command, and overall a good officer
Historically speaking, if that guy did exist, was he really the first volunteer?
@@LovesandCuddles
Historically speaking? Of course not!
As far as the movie goes, which is what
I was referring to, Thomas was Colonel Shaw's first black volunteer, which I'm sure you knew. 🔫
Can we also get a round of applause for Cary Elwes' performance??
Cary should have played Shaw. Broderick was all wrong for the role.
As a side note... after Princess Bride, I would have bet money that Cary was going to become a major star. For whatever reason it just never happened.
I remember seeing Ferris Bueler become Shaw and it was a strange role to see him in, but I believe it was perfect for him. We saw him as a rich popular kid who did not belong in that role, which is basically who he is playing as Shaw, a rich popular kid who somehow becomes a Colonel in the Union Army, so it kind of fits perfectly.
For the longest time I could not picture him as who he played because of who he is, but now as I am older I cannot picture anyone else in the role. Whenever I see Cary Elwes I just think of Princess Bride and the Dread Pirate Roberts. No one of consequence.@@edfelstein3891
Then Cary went on to play Russ Wheeler in Days of Thunder after this.
@@edfelstein3891I disagree. Matthew has the doubtful and worried part perfect for the role. Elwes is too confident and boisterous.
As you wish...
Spoiler here so no complaining:
3:05 "I've never been in charge of anything". Says the man that takes charge after his CO is killed, jumps over a rampart with a pistol in one hand, and a saber in the other, and LITERALLY leads a charge straight into cannon fire.
Bravery, my friend!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Colonel shaw hea awd hawd man
Great comment. Great movie. Wonderful performances by all actors.
"Good luck, boys! Have fun storming the castle!" Great movie. [Wait! Something is wrong here...]🤔
That charge was glorious. But broke my heart when those cannons spun around.
One thing that really stuck out in Broderick’s role in this movie was how it greatly depicted his young inexperienced attitude in taking up such a position of authority as well as how he was deeply frightened by his experience of war, firsthand.
It showed many struggles on all fronts in the movie by each character.
It was very well made and put together
Good point - in real life Col. Shaw was only 25 years old when he took command of the 54th, and died only a few months later.
@@glennkurtzrock tragic but awe inspiring with the mantle he had bestowed upon himself.
He died a Patriot and with his regiment in a last stand
I always remember this scene because it shows how Forbes hid his insecurities under a carefree demeanor. But so many times later on, he showed courage and confidence.
Exactly. I was just typing a comment about how later on in the movie, we see just how much Forbes underestimated himself in this scene. Cary Elwes knocked this role out of the park. Major Forbes brought an air of genuine compassion and humanity to every scene he was in. He was and still is one of my favorite characters in this movie.
It's just his friendly banter, deprecating himself.. to encourage Shaw's on his decision. Forbes is actually the first officer who criticizes Shaw in this film, before Shaw changes.
Truly one of the best Civil War movies ever made.
In my opinion… one of the best movies ever made… period.
Agreed, amazing performances by Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman. Mathew Broderick was good too, but I am an eighties kid and I couldn't help keep thinking of Ferris Bueller. But overall the film was spectacular
Absolutely.. great movie ❤
Probably the most accurate Civil War movies ever made too.
Agreed in 1996 in high school we watched this as part of our history class. Amazing movie!!
I love how Douglass just gets right to the point as if he's heard enough yip yapping already...lol. A perfect movie.
Interesting thing to note: in historical movies there's usually this certain air of importance and general feeling of gravitas given when our main character meets a truly earth shatteringly important historical figure. I like that in this movie, that moment is given to Frederick Douglas
Frederick Douglas was a keen eagle of a man. I like that he doesn’t chatter, but appraises Shaw in silence.
With no hyperbole whatsoever. It's like you have already bent over permanently for your new overlords.
@@jackcoleman5955 As you do, from the closet, when your wife is getting railed.
lol mutual nod, with no significant conversation
@@sgt.thundercok4704 do you just hop from video to video leaving criticisms?
Shaw: “I want you to join me.”
Forbes: “…As you wish.”
INCONCEVIBLE ! ! !
Forbes was such a great character. One of many great characters but to me he stuck out the most simply for his journey from a playboy, privileged soldier who has never been in charge of anything and has no confidence in himself whatsoever; to a man who took command of his regiment with sword and revolver in hand taking the 54th into the center of a fort that no regiment had any hope of reaching the walls of. He starts off as an obstinate, undisciplined, drunken buffoon and ends a badass. I can relate to him in a way as a screw up myself and more over it was just a great character arch that showed just how much Robert Shaws belief in his regiment and his personal cause of liberation and exaltation of African Americans, that no one in the 54th was the same by the end of his young life. This movie deserved its Oscar and should be required viewing in history classes. Simply brilliant work and a worthy tribute to the brave men of the 54th Massachusetts. Rest in glory lads. You earned it!
Forbes is Shaw's alter ego. In this scene, the left/right screen shows that Shaw is simply talking to himself. He's of two minds. He's conflicted. Forbes on the left is the side of Shaw that wants comfort and safety and has a lot of doubt. Shaw on the right is the bold, confident idealist. "I want you to come with me" is Shaw's entry to himself to go all-in and dismiss his doubts. Throughout the movie, Forbes emotes the conflict within Shaw, the temptation to not take any of this seriously and slack off. It's a brilliant use of the personification of conflict with oneself.
At the beginning of the scene, you see Shaw's father pontificating as well as the others at a dinner party.
I think Shaw needing to excuse himself was because he was the only one in the room who KNEW what was being asked of him.
It's easy being all noble at a dinner party but it is a whole other thing to being willing to risk and probably lose your life for those ideals.
Shaw knew what was at stake yet agreed and led his men into the history books.
Great comment! So true. When his men got their rifles for the first time and were playing with them pretending to kill each other he heard the voice of his CO who got his head blown off “For God’s sake come on!” Shaw had PTSD from Antietam as seen when the shutters banging shut caused him to jump and spill his punch. He was shell shocked. He had seen war. He knew what his men faced. He knew what he faced. And as he said “I owe them my life if necessary”. Forbes didn’t get it at first but by the end of the film had grown up himself to understand the seriousness of his commitment and responsibility.
Exactly, he knew what the stakes were and exactly how brutal and costly the war was.
The Boston accents in this film sound representative of what we would've heard if we could go back in time to Boston in the 1860s. Similar to a Kennedy accent. The actors and dialogue coaches did a good job in this respect.
I love the initial reluctance to take command from them both, that's a real leadership quality.
"Can you picture me in charge of a regiment? I couldn't picture me in charge of anything....."
"I would be honoured to have you."
"....well then you're an idiot!"
Forbes was so needed to keep Robert grounded.
One of my favorite movies. You don’t have to be a Civil War enthusiast to like it. Great cast!!
2:35 This was me in 1985 as a 17 year old boy telling my mother that I was joining the Marines because something in my heart told me it was I was put on this Earth for.
My god, our household exploded that day, but I never budged.
Semper Fi.
As a Navy vet (in at 17 in 1987), I tell people that men join the Navy, but are *called* to the Corps. God Bless the United States Marine Corps.
@@glennmartin8664 It's true. It was a calling for me.
@@glennmartin8664 And God bless the russpickin' gob squids who give us rides everywhere, and especially the Corpsmen who would go through the gates of Hell to get to a wounded Marine.
Semper Fi, shipmates!!
Same here brotha joined when I was 17 out of highschool,a lotta people didn't want me to join but made my case and joined the Corp
I'm grateful to have had a wonderful 5th grade teacher, who among so many other great things, showed this movie in class as part of our Civil War history lesson. She found the perfect film which helped showcase so many facets of that war and era, and to this day I still revere the film. It's most definitely a classic.
The part where he gets a PTSD flashback during the party stuck with me.
We luckily live at a time where we understand and know what war trauma does, and good methods to help.
Im grateful to have a 6th grade teacher who served in the 54th massachussettess regiment from start to the end of the civil war. Thank you Mr Morgan Freeman ! You are missed
@@johnboy2349 so ur like 89 or so
@@jamalwashium5387 im 34 why?
@@johnboy2349 your comment are u saying u had a teacher or someone else
Forbes had a very difficult time adjusting to his new role and separating himself from his opinions and personal connections, but in the end, he became the leader that Shaw knew he could be. That shows just how effective Shaw's leadership was not only for his soldiers but for the other officers.
OMG! The music, soundtrack and vocals in this movie-masterful.
I always thought it was funny how they introduce Fredrick Douglas at 0:20 with the smoke and slow turn like he was a bad ass. I mean, HE WAS, but still.
The way Robert was overcome with emotion, happens often.
He has discernment ; he sees not the ego reasons, but the historical purpose of doing something .
How have I not recognized how underrated this movie is
The soundtrack to this was absolutely brilliant as well!
Shaw’s reaction to the promotion was “oh, f$ck…Oh, f$ck.” Good times.
its not only a great movie but great true story movie
One of the greatest movies of all time.
"I'm gonna do it."
Chills.
Getting promoted from Captain to Coronel on the spot!!! This is some advancement!!
Cary Elwes, such an under appreciated actor.
No, he is not Just ask those of us who love him and appreciate his work.
A great movie about the civil war. It shows the context of why they fought, the loyalty among true friends, and how young men, just boys themselves, gave their lives for their belief's. My family fought in this war, and also the revolution and every war after that. It's just something we do. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine like myself. It's a calling to some of us.
Yes - what a great job of death and destruction the USA armed forces have done over the past 50 years.
''It's a calling to some of us''
😂
This is a great movie. But my memory of it was as a young inexperienced teacher taking my classes to see it. We thought it would be an awesome opportunity for them to learn about the 54th Massachusetts. But the maturity level needed to be much higher for the students to handle the nuanced reality of the assault on Fort Wagner. I have always regreted it. Teachers beware! Those inner-city kids did not handle the end-game well. With more maturity over the years, of course, I would not take them to see this movie without a pre-viewing preparation that would be far more intense than what we gave them, especially the ending. There is so much injustice depicted in this movie, for the young minority students back then (Can't imagine for students today, I've been out of the field a while), that the "glory" of the charge on Fort Wagner was totally lost on them -- all they could see was the injustice of the entire thing.
I appreciated your words and point of view on this.
It's a tough concept to grasp, that, back then, merely being perceived as human was a prize worth dying for. Everything at that age is "winning" and "being strong." It's a given at that age that everyone is born human and not a piece of property. Perhaps that's a victory and a sign of progress. But it's still very important to understand that it wasn't always the case, lest we repeat it. In that respect, the singing scene right before battle where Denzel's character says "We men, ain't we" is the crux of the movie. What comes after makes no difference. At that moment, they were men, not property. That's the victory. Credits could've rolled after that. Their ultimate death was just a punctuation mark.
A soldier's tale is not often a great one, especially in the Civil War. I am reminded of something Ataturk said to his Ottoman troops in WW I, "I am not ordering you to fight, I am ordering you to die. In the time it takes us to die, other men and other commanders can take our places". When Grant attacked in the Wilderness (around that same time), his troops pinned their names to their jackets. The 54th "ante'd up" just as much as any other regiment in the Civil War. RG Shaw at Antietam had his troops break and run. He knew what it would take.
Winning in war isn't necessarily living. Especially at that time, you had to move across an open field, while artillery could easily get in 3-4 salvos, and then people with new, accurate and deadly rifles. The 54th was running on elan, if I remember he said they haven't slept for 3 days.
That’s all
They see ever
Bc that’s all they want to see
Professional victims taught to them by their families , schools, and media
@LeftiftsAreScum Uh-huh. Yes the right wants to take back what's theirs, to make America great again. No victim complex there. No entitlement either. You're so entitled You've stolen the term conservative. Rail against participation trophies, but keep them rebel flags and statues...
I still get a lump in my throat reading What his dad said when the South offered to return his body.
If I remember right they didn't offer to return it, they attempted to taunt him with that fact he was buried in a Mass grave with them, to which his father responded “We can imagine no holier place than that in which he lies," I have seen Shaw's sword which was on display for a short time here in Boston, his family recovered it years after the war.
@@Rikalonius I am decsentat of a 1st Texas Volunteer. But his Brother fought fought as regular Army under Caldwell, He was wounded at Gettysburg would die few from another wound that the doctor missed
"Then let him grow up some more."
😳
And finally is no Glory in war....but man, this history...sometimes Glory is fight and stay where you must stay.
To me it was difficult to see Broderick in such a dramatic role. But he did a great job.
I did too, I saw Ferris buellers day off before watching this film decades ago, but Broderick sold me on his performance in Glory
I miss Andre Braugher, he had such a beautiful voice.
RIP, Andre Braugher!
I know right. After this role Braugher went on to play to damn good roles. One of them was Det. Frank Pembleton on Homicide Life on the Street. You must see his performance.
@@QuinnJACKSON-zx1dxmy kids know braugher because they love the movie Poseidon. 😂 He was the captain of the doomed ship.
@@zombiemom6701 Never seen that one.
Just realized CApt. Holt was the first black soldier of the 54th
Having always watched this movie in my native language, I hadn't realized it up until now, especially because it's been quite some years since I last saw it and Capt. Holt looks quite different from young Thomas. But man, you are right and I've enjoyed this rivelation so much ^^.
An Epic movie and a amazing history.
one of my all time favorite movies
RIP Andre!
This scene sums perfectly the idealism and a level of innocence that some in the north had. Of course, the majority were not idealists, instead many northerners were draftees.
I was a college student at SCAD in downtown Savannah and I remember when they shot this scene. It was in one of the squares and they covered all the streets with dirt in order to make a curate.
Unbeknownst to Shaw on his self-declared day off, the Regiment was secretly attached to General Rooney's division.
two things I loved about this movie was the patriotism shown (compared to a movie that would be made today) and not going over the top with the prejudice these honorable men suffered... $10 dollar pay instead of $13 and a further reduction for clothes. They could have focused on the prejudice instead they really honored the men.
Excellent film, great acting.
Cary Elwes always makes me want to join him with a brandy and cigar
Colonel Shaw is very stoic.
It is an incredible movie.
Okay I'll go watch Glory again and cry thanks UA-cam algorithm
2:57 That revelation should have occurred before slapping on those shoulder boards.
Rest in peace 🕊️🙏🏽 Andre Braugher.
With James Horner's amazing music.
yes it's a very underrated score.
0:29 I understand you... randantantan tidam LOL
Capt. Holt has seen things!
Outstanding music 🎵🎶
It is still astonishing how many lives were thrown away during the Civil War because the tactics had not caught up with the advancements in weapons. Marching in lines across open fields into rifle and canister fire was just insane. This was the last war that marched soldiers to their deaths.
Cary Elwes is one of the top 5 best looking actors ever imo.
I was always waiting for Cary Elwes to say as you wish...
That would’ve been legendary 😎
Such a GREAT film and Inspiring Story. Its sad that the land where Fort Wagner stood and where the 54th Massachusetts died is now under water. I think that South Carolina and the National Park Service should restore the area to its formidable stature and that the names and stories of those who died there be memorialized there FOREVER.
Morris Island is not entirely underwater. I have been out there, and Cummins Point is still dry ground.
Two of my great great uncles fell there, in the 67th Ohio.
Any Actor of any major degree has one great Part within them to play.
Denzel Washington has Cry Freedom..
Tony Danza has Freedom Fighter..
Mathew Broderick has Glory..
We who do not, at least have to be worthy
Keanu Reeves has Bill and Ted
Denzel has Glory too
Ferris...Bueller's...Day...Off.
Ooh. Tough one. I’m gonna have to watch Cry Freedom again now…
Denzel is one of those great actors that have so many great roles in them - Cry Freedom and Glory are just 2. Broderick was great in Glory for sure.
This story.. true, humanity and desperation of can only be hinted at by us🌹🌹🌹🌹
Rip Andre Braugher
Captain Holt!! RIP :')
In the singing before the battle at James. There is ONE, light skin, light eyed black soldier, who was actually a Staff Sergeant in HHC 1/75 Ranger Regiment during the filming. I can't remember his name, but I can verify he served and his rank.
Well thats cool.
I love to sing!
@StarWarsObservation-vs2sg
I wouldn't say that to his face, master parachutist badge and Ranger tab.🤷♂️ he'd smoke most on the PT test. But you go ahead with your opinion
There goes Wesley with a bottle and cup in hand….😉😂
Holy cow, that's Captain Raymond Holt at the end
Great scene...still gives me goosebumps.
i force my girlfried to watch this movie every September 17
I needto wach this movie again.
Nice spot promotion from captain to colonel!!
Being in command of an all black regiment at the time was not favorably looked upon since there was a lot of prejudice against them, even in the North. Shaw was one of the few who would have been willing to accept the position, hence the rapid rank advancement.
They got the height difference between both Douglas and Shaw down to a tee.
These scenes were shot at the Mercer Williams house in Savannah Georgia.
It had been previously owned by the family of Johnny Mercer's (the singer) family and a few years before they filmed "Glory" the house had been the site of an infamous shooting where the owner, Jim Williams, shot and killed his male lover... The book and film "Midnight in the garden of Good and Evil" are based on the events surrounding the shooting.
Was this house also featured in that movie?
@@J.D.Vision yup, they filmed it there as well
The same Johnny Mercer whose great grandfather was a Confederate General (who in turn was the grandson of a Revolutionary War general)
@@VloggingThroughHistory I don't remember but I think I remember hearing that he never actually got to live there... Neither did Johnny Mercer for that matter.
3:26 is that gus fring... in black(er) face?
lol, no its the guy from Brooklyn 99. BONE!
Love this movie.
Cabot ❤️🔥
Great movie one of my favorites
Never had a single lesson!
The only thing that bothered me about this movie was that the actor portraying Frederick Douglass is too old. Douglass was born in 1818. This was around 1863-1864 I assume, so Douglass should be in his mid 40s.
Captain to colonel is quite a jump.
Robert went from captain to colonel.
Is that captain holt of the 99?
Looks like we have the Dred Pirate Roberts posing as Major Forbes. I wonder who he got to run the ship after he left.
Roberts father talks just like "General Charles Garrison Harker", the corrupt union officer who shows up later in the film.
He should have asked the question: Will they be allowed to fight?”
Poor Thomas, he didn’t know what he was going into.
That is my cousin who plays Brodericks father. He is actually my 2nd cousin once removed. Still..... my cousin anyway.
Damn Robin of locksly lived a long time and moved to America i see
Yes that’s exactly what we doing trust me I got it 🔹
We got to watch this in 8th grade history class. I doubt they would let people watch this in public school now days.
We watched it in high school, but it was an edited version.
@@toddw14 It's good they are still showing it.
For myself, until I saw that movie I never really saw both sides. All the text books paint the North as the heros, when they were not.
I wouldn’t doubt it, it’s almost as if they’d rather you see the sad victimized parts instead of hearing about Nat Turner’s Slave Rebellion or in this case the 54th
@@granolafunk6192 That's what my teacher said. That this movie shows the North was just as racist as the South contrary to popular belief.
@@toddw14 I wouldn't go so far as to say "just as racist" but sentiments are certainly much muddier than many would like to think, the movie Lincoln also portrays this well where people talk about not wanting their kids to die over black people and someone telling Lincoln they only care about freeing slaves if it ends the war faster
Is that Westley, alias Dread pirate Roberts, from The Princess Bride, in a Union uniform?
I don't remember this scene from Hot Shots.
Or in Part Deux. All I remember from that was “I loved you in Wall Street!”
@@matthewriley7826 It's very intense when Shaw's friend Cameron kicks the Ferrari through the plate glass and into the ravine.
Every actor was fantastic! Great movie.
From 1989😊
But definitely wasn't an 80ish type film.
Life moves pretty fast…
Is that Jonesey? Damn that man had a loooooooooooong career across multiple branches didn't he lol.
No, that’s Andre Braugher. You’re thinking of Courtney Vance.
@@gastondoumerc7863 dammit...:(
Jonesy is navy to the core