Here is a detail for the tuning oud: Turkish Oud tunings E A B e a d (capital letter = lower/bass note) C# F# B e a d B F# B e a d D A B e a d D G B e a d Syrian Oud tunings C F A d g c D G A d g c C E A d g c F A d g c f (usually all double courses with this tuning - 12 strings) Egyptian Oud tunings F A d g c G A d g c E A d g c İraqi Oud tunings C D g c f F (note the bass F 'drone string' under the most treble string pair) F C D g c f İ hope it's helpful.
Nice video! I would like to highlight something you said, "tune up." Some times while tuning people may not think about the direction but the tention on the tunning peg is better if you tune up to a note and not down to a note. Same with the guitar, and I'm sure any string insrament, the instrament should stay in tune longer when tunning up to the note. Just wanted to high light that thought. Thanks!
Hi, Majnuun Music & Dance! Great by ear tuning! I enjoyed the video especially because I play by ear. A way to tune without depending on an electrical tuner which they are, a great gadget to have to use sometimes.Thnx for sharing! *'Keep-On-A-Rocking-N-A-Rolling!'* *; -)*
I wish you would read off what your digital tuner says for each string after you tune by ear so we can get an idea of how far off each string is from the digitally tuned natural notes.
I bought a syrian oud with 11 strings and it sounds too loose when I tune it to cc and it sounds right when I tune it to ff. Will tuning it to ff damage my oud?
when I tune two notes C and G then begin tuning the third set of string, the C and G go out of tune. I think it has to do with how the oud is stringed. Do you have a video on how best to string the oud and avoid the strings hitting each other? Thank you!
Many thanks for this video, I got an old Oud from someone who bought it a looong time ago in Jordan and was getting very discouraged with the tuning, now it's starting to sound right after your point on temperament tuning. In another video of yours I saw you explaining the distance between the string nut and bridge determining between a syrian and arabic oud. I checked mine and it is 62.5 cm - would this be considered an Arabic Oud? Excellent content though, I will be making a video today for an exotic instrument series based on some exotic fretless instruments and will give you page a shoutout.
@@OudforGuitarists Interesting to know, also it has 12 tuning pegs instead of 11 which i normally see. I bought it without any strings, for quite cheap... some guy had it on his wall for decoration and said he bought it when he was on Vacation in Jordan in the 70's. There is a label on the inside, but it's super difficult to get a clear photo of it through the sound hole, and the text is in Arabic, so I tried to get some photos and waiting for a contact I know to see if she can translate it for me.
Merhaba brother! Very usefull your blog! I Just start with the oud one month ago and your vidéos help to me à lot :-) I am in Turkey but i am from Argentina I would ask something about tunning, becouse here in Turkey they tune the lower strings in C#- F#F# But for me its a litle bit hard to play, i dont know why... But i changed and i set this lower strings in D -GG. What do you think? It is usual in any player or music or specific région or country? Thanks and blessings :-)
@@OudforGuitarists Thanks!! Now i understand, so i can continue with this tunning ;) Also i cheked what you say about tunning by ear, very interesting, if i follow the tunner, the higher D and the lower D are not in tune :| Have à Good day!
What if i tune like a normal guitar???because years of playing and thinking on that common guitar system would be waste of time trying to play on a new tune system!do u know any oud players that their tune is like a guitar??
Nikolaos Giolas sure, you can do anything you want. but it will be confusing when you are trying to learn.but fine if you want to do your own thing. If you want to use guitar tuning, use an oud with high f tuning or change to a high f string set. FADgcf, as you can see you only need to change the tuning of three strings. good luck.
Skull Teck To be exact, it is OUD for Guitarists... It teaches Oud to Guitarists, or anybody with some western musical background. These programs are designed with the western people in mind... how to approach Oud from their perspective. I see a lot of guitar players want to learn Oud.
Congratulations. I just got a 12-string Egyptian Oud. Your application I set up the following table. I would ask you to confirm: 6th C4 5th G3 4th D3 2nd G3 1st C4 Thanks
You need to first determine what string set you have on this oud. There are mainly two tunings FADcgf and what I use CFADgc, the first has a higher range and the second has a lower range. If you have 3 pairs of nylons strings for 1st string 2nd and 3rd string then it's likely you have a FADgcf set on there.
@@OudforGuitarists Grateful I bought Alice AOD12. The recommendation is: F#-B-E-A-D-G. I don't know the origin of this tuning. I tuned it to: F#2-B2-E3-A3-D4-G4. I don't know if it's correct
@@carlosrocha4091 I've never used Alice strings and this is a big mystery to me. I'm looking at a picture of Alice strings packaging and from what I know about oud string gauges nothing really adds up. AOD11 set has a .025 inch diameter for the A string but AOD12 has a .033 inch... Also, there is only one player in history who tuned his 1st string as high as g. He was Jamil Bashir and nobody seriously uses that tuning anymore. The only thing I can imagine to make sense of their gauges and note naming convention is they are for Turkish oud. On sheet music G corresponds to the 1st string(closest to the ground) in the most common tuning convention used on Turkish ouds. They write G but the absolute pitch of the string is actually D4. So I'm not sure. The easiest way to tell is to tell me which pairs of strings are plain nylons and which ones are wound nylons? Since I have never used Alice strings, I can't give you definite answer. I usually recommend this string set for any arabic oud: www.daddario.com/products/guitar/more-instruments/arabic-oud/ej95a-arabic-oud-strings/
I just got my oud and it came with a tuner, you push the button it says c then push the button it says g. Push button says bb, push button it says v, push button it says Uc, and push button again. It says Ud. Does anyone know what v Uc and Ud mean.? Thanks my oud came from Turkey
@@OudforGuitarists Thanks I have never seen that on a tuner but my first instrument is guitar, enjoying your channel, I have always loved the sound of oud so I will definitely give it a try
@@christineshelton5583 Oh I think now those symbols are indicating komma interval divisions that Turkish music theory uses. But yeah I don't know what those mean. I have also never seen a tuner like that.
@@lenn4429 I think your original message was not posted.. because I can't see it. Anyway, the material used for oud strings and guitar strings are the same, but using different gauges and tension. Nylon wound for the bass courses and plain nylon, or fluorocarbon, or nyglut for the higher strings.
It's similar to the modern Turkish tuning which tunes the Oud in all 4ths. It's a valid tuning in my opinion. The basis of Oud technique is tuning in 4ths. The ancient Oud started out with 4 main courses ADGC, now we are just adding more.
Basim Daoud the only problem you will have is too much tension on the neck. I also tune in 4ths BEADGC. This is for an Arabic oud. You can go one tone higher on a Turkish oud.
For us westerners, the interval of a fourth is the same as the first two notes of the Wedding March, or of the kid's song "A-hunting we will go". Of course, the lower note comes first in both those songs. YMMV
Here is a detail for the tuning oud:
Turkish Oud tunings
E A B e a d (capital letter = lower/bass note)
C# F# B e a d
B F# B e a d
D A B e a d
D G B e a d
Syrian Oud tunings
C F A d g c
D G A d g c
C E A d g c
F A d g c f (usually all double courses with this tuning - 12 strings)
Egyptian Oud tunings
F A d g c
G A d g c
E A d g c
İraqi Oud tunings
C D g c f F (note the bass F 'drone string' under the most treble string pair)
F C D g c f
İ hope it's helpful.
Thank you!
والله انت كفو 😚😙😗
Nice video! I would like to highlight something you said, "tune up." Some times while tuning people may not think about the direction but the tention on the tunning peg is better if you tune up to a note and not down to a note. Same with the guitar, and I'm sure any string insrament, the instrament should stay in tune longer when tunning up to the note. Just wanted to high light that thought. Thanks!
This is SO helpful -- thanks so much!
Hi, Majnuun Music & Dance! Great by ear tuning! I enjoyed the video especially because I play by ear. A way to tune without depending on an electrical tuner which they are, a great gadget to have to use sometimes.Thnx for sharing! *'Keep-On-A-Rocking-N-A-Rolling!'*
*; -)*
I got a lot out of listening to this
Thank you Sir
Such a help. Many thanks!
Well done! Very precise, and i like your explanations
Thank you for your comment. I'm glad you liked it.
Very informative, a musical comment! Thank you.
really Awesome tut, thanx alot for sharing your knowledge
Motaman Elbadawi You're welcome.
Thank you I'm from Syria and Middle East thank you I love you
Interesting and cool
I wish you would read off what your digital tuner says for each string after you tune by ear so we can get an idea of how far off each string is from the digitally tuned natural notes.
Is the Egyptian Oud tuned the same way or do they go by a different tuning standard? My oud is from Egypt, 11 strings, not using the optional F.
How do I do this with Armenian/Greek out with EF#Bead tuning ? My kids and I are on a zenne kyvelos custom.
Not sure if I get this.
I tune in dga dgc if a song is in f# or some other scale should I change tuning to f#bc# f#be???
I bought a syrian oud with 11 strings and it sounds too loose when I tune it to cc and it sounds right when I tune it to ff. Will tuning it to ff damage my oud?
What app where you using on your phone for tuning? Is it still up?
hi,where r u?
when I tune two notes C and G then begin tuning the third set of string, the C and G go out of tune. I think it has to do with how the oud is stringed. Do you have a video on how best to string the oud and avoid the strings hitting each other? Thank you!
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شكرآ thanx
Many thanks for this video, I got an old Oud from someone who bought it a looong time ago in Jordan and was getting very discouraged with the tuning, now it's starting to sound right after your point on temperament tuning. In another video of yours I saw you explaining the distance between the string nut and bridge determining between a syrian and arabic oud. I checked mine and it is 62.5 cm - would this be considered an Arabic Oud? Excellent content though, I will be making a video today for an exotic instrument series based on some exotic fretless instruments and will give you page a shoutout.
Thanks! Happy to hear.
The size of that oud makes it a beast of an Arabic Oud. Very cool. The largest I've heard of is 63 cm bridge to nut.
@@OudforGuitarists Interesting to know, also it has 12 tuning pegs instead of 11 which i normally see. I bought it without any strings, for quite cheap... some guy had it on his wall for decoration and said he bought it when he was on Vacation in Jordan in the 70's. There is a label on the inside, but it's super difficult to get a clear photo of it through the sound hole, and the text is in Arabic, so I tried to get some photos and waiting for a contact I know to see if she can translate it for me.
@@Guitar101Ramstein that's very cool. Have you tried mikeouds.com? Someone there might be able to help too.
@@Guitar101Ramstein is it a fixed bridge or floating bridge like a mandolin?
@@OudforGuitarists Fixed Bridge
Merhaba brother!
Very usefull your blog!
I Just start with the oud one month ago and your vidéos help to me à lot :-) I am in Turkey but i am from Argentina
I would ask something about tunning, becouse here in Turkey they tune the lower strings in C#- F#F#
But for me its a litle bit hard to play, i dont know why... But i changed and i set this lower strings in D -GG. What do you think? It is usual in any player or music or specific région or country?
Thanks and blessings :-)
D GG would make it like Arabic tuning, but one note higher. Yes, many Arab players use this tuning but tuning CFADgc, instead of DGBEad.
@@OudforGuitarists Thanks!! Now i understand, so i can continue with this tunning ;)
Also i cheked what you say about tunning by ear, very interesting, if i follow the tunner, the higher D and the lower D are not in tune :|
Have à Good day!
my husban love is oud, and I will like to pay for him if anyone knows andy website I can pay please let me know thaks
So from the bottom (farthest) to top (closest to you)
C G D A (F or G) C
Thanks :)
Amitabh Patnaik That's correct
hello, would you please tell me what is the application name that you are using? i have iphone
Elie Hanna It is called PitchLab.
Hello
I have oud but its difficult to understand ineed help
😭😭
FYI the perfect third does not exist. What you’re referring to is a major third. The only “perfect” intervals are the perfect fourth and perfect fifth
Yes, thanks.
What if i tune like a normal guitar???because years of playing and thinking on that common guitar system would be waste of time trying to play on a new tune system!do u know any oud players that their tune is like a guitar??
Nikolaos Giolas sure, you can do anything you want. but it will be confusing when you are trying to learn.but fine if you want to do your own thing. If you want to use guitar tuning, use an oud with high f tuning or change to a high f string set. FADgcf, as you can see you only need to change the tuning of three strings. good luck.
That Program only for Guitar how can you use it for oud please tell me
Skull Teck To be exact, it is OUD for Guitarists... It teaches Oud to Guitarists, or anybody with some western musical background. These programs are designed with the western people in mind... how to approach Oud from their perspective. I see a lot of guitar players want to learn Oud.
thanks man, can you tell me what is the name of the program you used ?
I use PitchLab on my android phone. It's nice, you can choose different intonations as well, just intonation, equal temperament etc.
Majnuun Music & Dance what i found is PitchLab guitar tuner not oud tuner. any recommendation?
Elie Hanna yes, you can use pitch lap for tuning any instrument.
Hello. This would be the pitch of the Middle Ages? If not, what would it be? sorry for my bad English. thank you.
yes, perhaps. it is not using a modern tuning method.
+Majnuun Music & Dance thank you so much
Congratulations.
I just got a 12-string Egyptian Oud.
Your application I set up the following table. I would ask you to confirm:
6th C4
5th G3
4th D3
2nd G3
1st C4
Thanks
You need to first determine what string set you have on this oud. There are mainly two tunings FADcgf and what I use CFADgc, the first has a higher range and the second has a lower range. If you have 3 pairs of nylons strings for 1st string 2nd and 3rd string then it's likely you have a FADgcf set on there.
@@OudforGuitarists
Grateful
I bought Alice AOD12.
The recommendation is: F#-B-E-A-D-G.
I don't know the origin of this tuning.
I tuned it to: F#2-B2-E3-A3-D4-G4.
I don't know if it's correct
@@carlosrocha4091 I've never used Alice strings and this is a big mystery to me. I'm looking at a picture of Alice strings packaging and from what I know about oud string gauges nothing really adds up. AOD11 set has a .025 inch diameter for the A string but AOD12 has a .033 inch...
Also, there is only one player in history who tuned his 1st string as high as g. He was Jamil Bashir and nobody seriously uses that tuning anymore.
The only thing I can imagine to make sense of their gauges and note naming convention is they are for Turkish oud.
On sheet music G corresponds to the 1st string(closest to the ground) in the most common tuning convention used on Turkish ouds. They write G but the absolute pitch of the string is actually D4.
So I'm not sure. The easiest way to tell is to tell me which pairs of strings are plain nylons and which ones are wound nylons?
Since I have never used Alice strings, I can't give you definite answer.
I usually recommend this string set for any arabic oud: www.daddario.com/products/guitar/more-instruments/arabic-oud/ej95a-arabic-oud-strings/
@@OudforGuitarists Thanks.
I'm going to buy D'ddario
How high can the top C string tune too?
The low bass string is never tuned higher than D.
what is the that tunning app plz?
Can you tell me witch app you used please ?
pitch lab
pitch lab
thanks dude
How do you the strings of an oud with 13 strings?
low to high C F A D g c f - those are called 7 course Ouds. Usually they have the ability to have the low C string and the high f string.
@@OudforGuitarists thank you very much,similar to the guitar with 7 strings,B and E,👃👃👃
Please I want the name of the application or link I
+Hdn Ndh PitchLab play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.symbolic.pitchlab&hl=en
thank yuo
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yo by the sound of your pegs ---they're sticking,.... you need a little chalk and soap
I just got my oud and it came with a tuner, you push the button it says c then push the button it says g. Push button says bb, push button it says v, push button it says Uc, and push button again. It says Ud. Does anyone know what v Uc and Ud mean.? Thanks my oud came from Turkey
If the tuner didn't come with instructions then I would recommend tuner.ninja/ or download a free chromatic tuner for your smartphone.
@@OudforGuitarists Thanks I have never seen that on a tuner but my first instrument is guitar, enjoying your channel, I have always loved the sound of oud so I will definitely give it a try
@@christineshelton5583 Oh I think now those symbols are indicating komma interval divisions that Turkish music theory uses. But yeah I don't know what those mean. I have also never seen a tuner like that.
@@OudforGuitarists it doesn't say in the directions so I just downloaded an app . Take care
Just figured it out it's a chromatic. Tuner the V is violin. AND Uc and Ud is ukulele c and d
And , are you using guitar strings ?
Oud strings.
@@OudforGuitarists , thankyou very much for your ansuer , Nabid , I am still wondering why it sound to me like metal strings .
@@lenn4429 I think your original message was not posted.. because I can't see it. Anyway, the material used for oud strings and guitar strings are the same, but using different gauges and tension. Nylon wound for the bass courses and plain nylon, or fluorocarbon, or nyglut for the higher strings.
I tune to EADGCF. have you ever heard of that kind of tuning
It's similar to the modern Turkish tuning which tunes the Oud in all 4ths. It's a valid tuning in my opinion. The basis of Oud technique is tuning in 4ths. The ancient Oud started out with 4 main courses ADGC, now we are just adding more.
@@OudforGuitarists I like that tuning because it is easier to play with a guitarist and pianist. Also Marcel Khalife has similar tuning. He has BEADGC
@@Basim_Daoud yes I see your point.
Basim Daoud Yes Stanley Jordan uses that tuning on guitar, and few others.
Basim Daoud the only problem you will have is too much tension on the neck. I also tune in 4ths BEADGC. This is for an Arabic oud. You can go one tone higher on a Turkish oud.
I love to tune my oud and guitars in all perfect fourth, plays easier I think. 😁
Yes for Oud that is a valid way of tuning it.
For us westerners, the interval of a fourth is the same as the first two notes of the Wedding March, or of the kid's song "A-hunting we will go". Of course, the lower note comes first in both those songs. YMMV
Yes, great point. Using well known tunes to queue how something is supposed to sound and get the interval relationship in your ear.