[WAZA STUDY] - How to Make Successful MEN-KAESHI-DO Ippon!

Dive deeper into the intricate techniques of kendo with Andy on The Kendo Show, as we examine the nuanced execution of the Men-Kaeshi-Do ippon. Tailored for the dedicated kendoka seeking to refine their repertoire, this episode delves into the dynamics of this advanced counter-strike. With comprehensive analysis, detailed slow-motion breakdowns, and targeted practice drills, we aim to perfect the harmonious integration of defence and offense that Men-Kaeshi-Do embodies.
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[@OneFoxTwoFox]

Thank you, thank you, Fisher Sensei. At my dojo our Sunday session the beginners (where I am at) perform Bokuto Ni Yoru Kendo Kihon-Waza Keiko-Ho for the first hour. Although it currently isn't required for the kyu grades, we are required to demonstrate it. So your description of Men-Kaeshi-Do is so helpful in maintaining proper form albeit with a bokken rather than a shinai. It's so helpful seeing how everyone describes it and always has some useful/ different tips in its execution. Also I think you are probably thinking about "completing the strike" rather than cutting (I too can see why you are apprehensive to use "cutting"). Thank you again for the well articulated description of Men-Kaeshi-Do. Please thank your daughter as well.

[@Cyanoblades]

Great kendo video! As a tall guy I'm typically on the receiving end of this waza lol

[@Dezzasheep]

As a fellow 'tall', I find performing any kind of do related waza very tricky.
When I see those of similar height execute banging men kaeshi do, I find it most impressive.

[@kanyil]

This is a fantastic episode. Really good illustration of the various common mistakes as well. Superb!

[@shadowgamer700]

YES!!! THE VIDEO I NEEDED I WILL NO LONGER MISS AND ANTAGONIZE MY KENDOKAS hahaha

[@BassAndTenor]

Best kendo channel ❤

[@adamwest9894]

Those were some nice pirouettes!

[@vincent-antoinesoucy1872]

very good exemples, the mistakes are made evident enough to be easily understood. sometimes people point mistakes on video too small to be understood by beginners!

[@luisabreu4396]

Thank you Sensei 👍👍!!

[@leighyeargin8743]

Thanks!

[@JohnDoe-ou8jp]

22:43 is extra style points

[@carlosmatheus8379]

Thanks for this video!

[@carlosmatheus8379]

22:43 lol

[@skipleapfrog9874]

Vader took out Ol' Ben Kenobi with Kaeshi Do. Or did he? KENDO is the way...

[@fabianmartin7126]

Hi Andy sensei! For the sake of clarification, when you put the two hands closer/together for the strike moment, you go "up" with your left hand, towards the right one, right? Not the other way round.

[@TheKendoShow]

Yes that is correct

[@Corey91666]

One thing i keep finding very stressful is that sometimes people see kendo in very, very rigid ways.
Kaeshi do is a perfect example. Some people are hyper focused on the striking angle but that really kills the swing if you ask me.
Another one regarding kaeshi do is whether you should keep the cut on the same level going through or if you can also "slip" the shinai downwards and then raise it back up.
Your strike keeps the level from hitting until pulling through the do but someone like takenouchi and many other japanese kendoka tend to slide it downwards after hitting the do.
What i find confusing is that you seem to be overly critical towards hip movement in one of your examples.
I get that a really good kaeshi do uses that but would you really not reward ippon if timing, strike, opportunity and zanshin are all there just to not give ippon due to a detail that distinguishes a decent kaeshi do from a great one ?
If the sound isnt right you can argue about it not being ippon but if it is a nice sound i dont think it should not be rewarded due to a lack of hip movement.
After all kaeshi do is oji waza and has slightly different quality of evaluation for ippon. At least as far as i know.

[@TheKendoShow]

'would you really not reward ippon if timing, strike, opportunity and zanshin are all there just to not give ippon due to a detail that distinguishes a decent kaeshi do from a great one ?'
No of course, in such a case it is likely it would still be Ippon. I am stressing movement/synchronisation of the hips because it such a common mistake at mid-lower levels, with people often unaware as to why their strikes are not given. It's not gospel, just an image of what to focus on. Of course, every strike does not have to be absolutely perfect in every minute way.
It's a bit pedantic, but the criteria for Yuko Datosu are the same for both Oji-waza and Shikake-waza. However, it is more often (but not always) Oji-waza that are considered 'Genmyou', which allows for more flexibility in assessing the criteria.

[@Corey91666]

@@TheKendoShow makes sense. Since this Video is educational i do find it good that it stresses some details. Im 4th dan myself and focus on such things of course.
Only thing i dont like is that Sometimes ressources like this end up being whats stuck in shinpans head which leads to very weird refereeing. Especially if you watch stuff like ajkc etc. and other shiai, it can be frustrating to find yourself being judged extremely strict, whereas it looked like ippon in these other shiai. Of course its never 1 to 1 but you get my point.