As a kid I used to have shooting competitions with my little brothers shooting stuff like plastic toy soldiers and toy cars and even matchsticks with our BSA cadet major, but as life went on and we all got married and had separate lives and almost never met up even though we all live within a couple of miles. After watching one of your 1st posts (Redwolf V RM8) I went out and bought an RM8 and invited my brothers round to have a go which they both jumped at the chance to go back to our childhood, since then we had a lot of fun shooting airguns and meet every week. This means a lot to me as my youngest brother has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's so has limited time in our world but for now he so enjoys our Sunday meetings .... This would not have happened if I hadn't randomly stumbled across that early video of yours so I just wanted to say thanks for reminding me how much fun a bit of plinking can be ..... Keep up the good work .... I still have the BSA cadet major :) 1955-1962 build :)
Andrew. I have read your comment around ten times. Out of everything I have done since launching the channel, your comment is the most important thing to me. I enjoyed many says shooting with my brother, my sisters and my friends. These times were magical. And shooting does evoke those feelings again, it is amazing. To think that something I had a role in has brought some of that into someone else's life is a lovely thought. The things you mention are far more important than any gun or pellet. Thank you for such a thoughtful and humbling message.
I just recently got back into air gun shooting after many years of not even handling one. I have just recently purchased the RM8 in .22 from my local gun smiths and firing it on the range at a gun club i've joined, i can get groupings of 7-8 shots bang on the size of a 5p coin at 35-40 meters. The rifle is quite happy to fire upto around 180 shots before a recharge. My only niggle is the RM8's "Auto Safety" catch engages every time you reload and i know it can be deactivated but means stripping the gun and the cocking handle on my RM8 keeps working loose which i've had it back to the gun smiths twice now about this issue and they've tried "Lock Thread" but it's still doing the same at working loose. My RM8 is fitted with a "Hawke" scope and front end suppressure, it's so quiet and damn accurate though.
I'd suggest using the different pellets will have an impact on the outcome of the results. I'm fairly sure the rm8 would shoot the jsb well so may have been more appropriate to use same pellets. The heavier bisley magnums are more effected by gravity and less by the wind than the jsb. However from such an expensive gun in the FX not the best results. I think the fac version will show it's potential better.
Great suggestions. If you check out the Red Wolf vs Impact video I did after this one you might have some of your questions answered! Please consider subscribing if you enjoyed the video. I like getting comments like this, thank you.
It would be helpful to have chrono results for both rifles as the groups are shot. It would be interesting to see the differing velocities of the "flyers". But hell who cares, the price difference alone, makes this test a moot point. Minuet of magpie/squirrel at 40m is perfectly good.
"A miss is as good as a mile." Worse still, the "marginal" difference could result in wounded quarry...There is no monetary compromise when that's at stake. Being the variable behind the trigger, one needs to minimize the nagging thought...was it me, or was it the rifle? However, point taken. Great comparison.
@@mariocesare7669 thank you for this insight. I agree with you all your points. If one is a hunter the safe dispatch of quarry is the most important thing, bar none.
I'm am surprised that a 1600quid gun shoots tighter than a 450quid gun 😁😂🤣👍 Just goes to show how good a value proposition the RM8 is... Hence why I have one!
Good Video Chris👍🏻Not a lot of difference in the groups considering the difference in price.Both have renowned barrels and could get tighter groups with different pellets. Atb👍🏻😀
@@southwestshooters I was deliberating between the fx and rm8 as a 20/30m target gun. It seems for me that the rm8 will suffice. Although I prefer the engineered style of the fx, i think the price difference could go to a small pcp compressor instead. A very good comparison, thank you for your video!
Yes, Chris! Enjoyed this one - as an owner of a mid price pcp (HW110k .177) I’m really glad you’ve done this test! Interesting results… not enough difference to warrant the price differential IMO. I’d imagine the FX starts earning its money when you’re hitting FAC and using slugs. Anyways, great vid. Keep them coming! Rich.
Thank you Rich. The hw100 looks like a FANTASTIC gun. I used the hw44 pistol recently, which is similar to the 110 and it was very good indeed. As mentioned in a previous comment, it will be for the viewers to make up their minds about this comparison! Take care and thanks for the continued support.
Since the fx costs 3-4 times as much, is it 3-4 times better? Not so sure, not everyone wants or can spend the money on an FX. The RM8 is very good for its price point. Sad to say I’ve never had a reliable fx so maybe I just got a downer on them as a manufacturer
Steve, this is an excellent question. And one that I am wanting the people who watch this video to answer themselves! Thanks for the comment and please consider subscribing to the channel. Take care.
I am subscribed and loving the videos. Keep em coming, I like that your reviewing secondhand rifles, gives you a true sense of how they behave after being run in
Interesting that you state the specific calibre of the JSB pellets for the FX (4,54) but not for the RM8, they prefer pellets that are 4.53 calibre, what was the exact calibre used?
Chris, I am looking to purchase my 1st PCP for only target work. In your opinion which would be my best option the Kral NP02 or the Walther RM8. I have always only shot springer guns previously.
A test I really would like to see done is as follows. Same rifle, same pellet, same distance, same conditions. One done with holdover /under. The other done with turret clicks. Do 100 shots. Then look at the accuracy stats.
seems like the fx is not three times the gun even though its three times the price had a Hw100 and now have a RM8 shoots just as well out to 45 yards and well i can have the rifle plus pard night vision etc for less than the price of the FX rifle. do you run them both over the chrono ?
Hello, where can you buy the rifle rest? I had to translate the text with Google, because unfortunately I only speak German .. Thank you very much lg Jürgen
@@southwestshooters I'm soo torn to go 22 or 117. Velocity or mass. Basically going to be doing alot of target but want the option for the odd wood pigeon and the like. What's your opinion on that? Have you done much shooting for the pot with the rm8 177?
@@NitrogenPurged I'm not the best person to ask as I don't shoot for sporting purposes, such as hunting. However, I know plenty of people who use 177s for this purpose! I'd imagine you'd be good with either of them.
@@southwestshooters I only ask as the accuracy you achieve with the RM8 is nothing short of incredibly impressive, especially with that ranged shoot out to 60 meters. I'll be booking one out next week mate. In 177.
get the pcptunes rm8 regulator upgrade. it takes to a very powerful 45J. then it will "out shoot" the FX even at 100+ yards with the jsb 10.4 g .177 pellets. thanks for video, for a cheap pcp the walther is pretty good bang for the buck at 1/4 the cost even with the upgrade !!!
Hi nice simple review but one thing you have to take into account is with pellets you are using show this results but different makes of pellet are better at different distance which I have tried myself in the rm8 ie air arms at 35- 40 very good at 50 nots so good but my pellet testing showed QYS pellets really good groups at 40 -50yards & 35 -40 but not as tight as air arms so worth pellet testing for what yardage you want to shoot. Plus I also have gone a simple review on the rm8 & find it a great gun for price not much between it & my high end guns so yes 👍
Yes. This is a great point. And I agree with you. However, this does become significantly more complex and I think the truth is I like things that are simple. These are guidelines, people should also do their own testing. These are just to point people in the right direction.
I tried the Impact Mk3 and the RM8. The Impact is absolutely outstanding but costs around £1800. The Mk2 is around £1400 I think. So I bought a second hand RM8 at under £300. I am a good shot but not good enough that the Impact would make a difference.
Awesome. I think the FX is a great gun. And perhaps I am not good enough to notice the difference either? Thanks for the message and please consider subscribing if you enjoyed the video.
Great video, good and pretty fast shooting.😉 I think the Impact is not the right gun for most countrys in Europe. For your country, Germany, Spain etc. way to powerful so the gun can not show the full performance for longrange shooting and in my country (Austria) we only can buy it without the silenced shroud (without a aweful expensive and hard to get hunting licence) and it looks like a damaged donkey and is loud like 308. This rifle is made for the US or the Netherland shooters who are not limited whatsoever. FX build great rifles for smaller money like the Dreamline and they are pretty adjustable, accurate and available from normal hunting style over tactical versions or even bullpups. I own a Wildcat Mk1 cause i‘m a simple guy and want to shoot and not adjust around but as i said, they have tons of models except the Impact and the Maverrick
I do see your points here. I'm not really trying to do anything other than let everyone who watches to make up their minds about these two guns. However, I would be very interested in having a go on a higher power version. Thanks for the message!
Interesting video , but unfortunately my experience with air rifles ( from humble to exotic ) is that I can’t even hit the target at 40 metres , let alone get a decent group ! I usually keep it at 10 -15
Marty, the only thing of any importance here is whether or not you enjoy shooting. If you enjoy it, regardless of hitting targets or getting tight groups, then that is all that matters. It actually doesn't matter which gun you use....just as long as you are having a good time.
I know a good few people with FX guns and lots of them have had problems with them in one form or another. Plenty choice of good guns about for alot less money
The best pellets my .177 rm8 prefers is the exact 10.84g. Not tried the bisleys yet but im getting 8 shots at 30 yards under a quid coin with the exacts. Try those on ya tests and see what u get m8 :-)
@@southwestshooters as a gun dealer we sell both. At this moment we have both. M2 Built quality is way better than Rm8, m2 got more flexibility! And tuning facilities.
Hi I think that was not a fair comparison as the fx is three times the price of the walther rotex yes the fx was I little better but not three tines better I am a fan of yhe fx and I own a rm8 I am a fan of yours but think this was not a fair comparison sorry
I do not even have to compare these to guns against each other the Fx is far superior than the Rm8 . The Rm8 is not even close in comparison than the fx .
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As a kid I used to have shooting competitions with my little brothers shooting stuff like plastic toy soldiers and toy cars and even matchsticks with our BSA cadet major, but as life went on and we all got married and had separate lives and almost never met up even though we all live within a couple of miles. After watching one of your 1st posts (Redwolf V RM8) I went out and bought an RM8 and invited my brothers round to have a go which they both jumped at the chance to go back to our childhood, since then we had a lot of fun shooting airguns and meet every week. This means a lot to me as my youngest brother has been diagnosed with Alzheimer's so has limited time in our world but for now he so enjoys our Sunday meetings .... This would not have happened if I hadn't randomly stumbled across that early video of yours so I just wanted to say thanks for reminding me how much fun a bit of plinking can be ..... Keep up the good work .... I still have the BSA cadet major :) 1955-1962 build :)
Andrew. I have read your comment around ten times. Out of everything I have done since launching the channel, your comment is the most important thing to me. I enjoyed many says shooting with my brother, my sisters and my friends. These times were magical. And shooting does evoke those feelings again, it is amazing. To think that something I had a role in has brought some of that into someone else's life is a lovely thought. The things you mention are far more important than any gun or pellet. Thank you for such a thoughtful and humbling message.
I just recently got back into air gun shooting after many years of not even handling one. I have just recently purchased the RM8 in .22 from my local gun smiths and firing it on the range at a gun club i've joined, i can get groupings of 7-8 shots bang on the size of a 5p coin at 35-40 meters. The rifle is quite happy to fire upto around 180 shots before a recharge. My only niggle is the RM8's "Auto Safety" catch engages every time you reload and i know it can be deactivated but means stripping the gun and the cocking handle on my RM8 keeps working loose which i've had it back to the gun smiths twice now about this issue and they've tried "Lock Thread" but it's still doing the same at working loose. My RM8 is fitted with a "Hawke" scope and front end suppressure, it's so quiet and damn accurate though.
great video I rarely shoot beyond 40 m with my rm8, and I couldn't afford an FX. but this video demonstrates where the extra £s go when buying an fx
Thanks again for the comment! I agree with you!
It demonstrates nothing about the guns.
@@ddtddt2165 i agree. Its rubbish.
Great vid. I have found my .177 RM8 to be very accurate and a total bargain at the price.
Yes! I agree with you on that. Please consider subscribing if you enjoyed the video!
me too but at my age/health I wish it was lighter
It sounded like the wind picked up when testing the RM8
I'd suggest using the different pellets will have an impact on the outcome of the results. I'm fairly sure the rm8 would shoot the jsb well so may have been more appropriate to use same pellets. The heavier bisley magnums are more effected by gravity and less by the wind than the jsb. However from such an expensive gun in the FX not the best results. I think the fac version will show it's potential better.
Great suggestions. If you check out the Red Wolf vs Impact video I did after this one you might have some of your questions answered! Please consider subscribing if you enjoyed the video. I like getting comments like this, thank you.
It would be helpful to have chrono results for both rifles as the groups are shot. It would be interesting to see the differing velocities of the "flyers". But hell who cares, the price difference alone, makes this test a moot point. Minuet of magpie/squirrel at 40m is perfectly good.
I am sure we will be adding chrono data to future videos. Thank you for your comment.
It seems a marginal performance difference considering the FX costs around £1,150 and the RM8 £430.
I think the FX is slightly more expensive than that....
@@southwestshooters My mistake - the one I was looking at was second hand!
@@fe12jc1 Mo worries - this one is used too, a full review/demo will be coming soon.
"A miss is as good as a mile." Worse still, the "marginal" difference could result in wounded quarry...There is no monetary compromise when that's at stake. Being the variable behind the trigger, one needs to minimize the nagging thought...was it me, or was it the rifle? However, point taken. Great comparison.
@@mariocesare7669 thank you for this insight. I agree with you all your points. If one is a hunter the safe dispatch of quarry is the most important thing, bar none.
Walther 👍
The vertical group from the RM8 at 50m is probably down to breath control. Just my opinion, and something I learned in the forces.
Awesome! Thanks for the insightful comment. I appreciate your help.
I'm am surprised that a 1600quid gun shoots tighter than a 450quid gun 😁😂🤣👍
Just goes to show how good a value proposition the RM8 is... Hence why I have one!
You have excellent taste. I'd pick the rm8 over any fx....
Good Video Chris👍🏻Not a lot of difference in the groups considering the difference in price.Both have renowned barrels and could get tighter groups with different pellets.
Atb👍🏻😀
Thanks 👍 very kind of you to say something so encouraging. Take care!
I think you've just saved me a lot of money :)
How so?
@@southwestshooters I was deliberating between the fx and rm8 as a 20/30m target gun. It seems for me that the rm8 will suffice. Although I prefer the engineered style of the fx, i think the price difference could go to a small pcp compressor instead. A very good comparison, thank you for your video!
@@hasansahin216 you are welcome. Please consider subscribing to the channel if you liked the video! Take care.
Yes, Chris!
Enjoyed this one - as an owner of a mid price pcp (HW110k .177) I’m really glad you’ve done this test!
Interesting results… not enough difference to warrant the price differential IMO. I’d imagine the FX starts earning its money when you’re hitting FAC and using slugs.
Anyways, great vid. Keep them coming!
Rich.
Thank you Rich. The hw100 looks like a FANTASTIC gun. I used the hw44 pistol recently, which is similar to the 110 and it was very good indeed. As mentioned in a previous comment, it will be for the viewers to make up their minds about this comparison! Take care and thanks for the continued support.
Since the fx costs 3-4 times as much, is it 3-4 times better? Not so sure, not everyone wants or can spend the money on an FX. The RM8 is very good for its price point. Sad to say I’ve never had a reliable fx so maybe I just got a downer on them as a manufacturer
Steve, this is an excellent question. And one that I am wanting the people who watch this video to answer themselves! Thanks for the comment and please consider subscribing to the channel. Take care.
I am subscribed and loving the videos. Keep em coming, I like that your reviewing secondhand rifles, gives you a true sense of how they behave after being run in
@@Happy3dprinting Thank you Steve, having some feedback on what we are doing is really useful. Thanks again!
hello bro, you don't feel comfortable with the RM8 breech? I noticed you raise your head between each shot.
Interesting that you state the specific calibre of the JSB pellets for the FX (4,54) but not for the RM8, they prefer pellets that are 4.53 calibre, what was the exact calibre used?
My bad. I actually made a mistake here. I meant to say 4.52 for the JSB. The magnums are just 4.50.
Chris, I am looking to purchase my 1st PCP for only target work. In your opinion which would be my best option the Kral NP02 or the Walther RM8. I have always only shot springer guns previously.
RM8. Way more accurate and way nicer to use!
Thanks Chris, I didn't want to get the cheaper Kral and be disappointed. Keep your great videos coming.
@@cbkipper many thanks! Let me know what you think of it when you get one.
A test I really would like to see done is as follows. Same rifle, same pellet, same distance, same conditions. One done with holdover /under. The other done with turret clicks. Do 100 shots. Then look at the accuracy stats.
I don't think I am the man for that particular job.
@@southwestshooters oh go on go on will ya.
seems like the fx is not three times the gun even though its three times the price had a Hw100 and now have a RM8 shoots just as well out to 45 yards and well i can have the rifle plus pard night vision etc for less than the price of the FX rifle. do you run them both over the chrono ?
Nope. Never crono my guns. I might check them from time to time at Crackshot, but that's it.
just thought it would be interesting to see how they match up consistency wise is the fx a lot more consistent or is it close.
Difference price?
Hello, where can you buy the rifle rest? I had to translate the text with Google, because unfortunately I only speak German .. Thank you very much
lg Jürgen
Danke! Mtc shooting rest am amazon de. Ich spin auslander and sprecher nicht gut deutsch.
Gotta love the RM8, it's my gun of choice but I wish I could find someone capable of fixing my logun sweet 16.
Do you think its better than airventuri avenger?
What caliber RM8 are you using?
177
@@southwestshooters
I'm soo torn to go 22 or 117. Velocity or mass.
Basically going to be doing alot of target but want the option for the odd wood pigeon and the like.
What's your opinion on that?
Have you done much shooting for the pot with the rm8 177?
@@NitrogenPurged I'm not the best person to ask as I don't shoot for sporting purposes, such as hunting. However, I know plenty of people who use 177s for this purpose! I'd imagine you'd be good with either of them.
@@southwestshooters
I only ask as the accuracy you achieve with the RM8 is nothing short of incredibly impressive, especially with that ranged shoot out to 60 meters. I'll be booking one out next week mate. In 177.
get the pcptunes rm8 regulator upgrade. it takes to a very powerful 45J. then it will "out shoot" the FX even at 100+ yards with the jsb 10.4 g .177 pellets. thanks for video, for a cheap pcp the walther is pretty good bang for the buck at 1/4 the cost even with the upgrade !!!
Hi nice simple review but one thing you have to take into account is with pellets you are using show this results but different makes of pellet are better at different distance which I have tried myself in the rm8 ie air arms at 35- 40 very good at 50 nots so good but my pellet testing showed QYS pellets really good groups at 40 -50yards & 35 -40 but not as tight as air arms so worth pellet testing for what yardage you want to shoot. Plus I also have gone a simple review on the rm8 & find it a great gun for price not much between it & my high end guns so yes 👍
Yes. This is a great point. And I agree with you. However, this does become significantly more complex and I think the truth is I like things that are simple. These are guidelines, people should also do their own testing. These are just to point people in the right direction.
Yes I do agree with u 👍 & a good HONIST simple review by yourself keep em cominimg
See if you can do a review of a airgun technology uragan against a redwolf cz against lothar walther that would be good to see.🎯
If I can get a hold of the two of these, then yes, consider it done. Please consider subscribing if you enjoy the content! Take care.
I tried the Impact Mk3 and the RM8. The Impact is absolutely outstanding but costs around £1800. The Mk2 is around £1400 I think. So I bought a second hand RM8 at under £300. I am a good shot but not good enough that the Impact would make a difference.
Awesome. I think the FX is a great gun. And perhaps I am not good enough to notice the difference either? Thanks for the message and please consider subscribing if you enjoyed the video.
Great video, good and pretty fast shooting.😉 I think the Impact is not the right gun for most countrys in Europe. For your country, Germany, Spain etc. way to powerful so the gun can not show the full performance for longrange shooting and in my country (Austria) we only can buy it without the silenced shroud (without a aweful expensive and hard to get hunting licence) and it looks like a damaged donkey and is loud like 308.
This rifle is made for the US or the Netherland shooters who are not limited whatsoever.
FX build great rifles for smaller money like the Dreamline and they are pretty adjustable, accurate and available from normal hunting style over tactical versions or even bullpups. I own a Wildcat Mk1 cause i‘m a simple guy and want to shoot and not adjust around but as i said, they have tons of models except the Impact and the Maverrick
I do see your points here. I'm not really trying to do anything other than let everyone who watches to make up their minds about these two guns. However, I would be very interested in having a go on a higher power version. Thanks for the message!
Interesting video , but unfortunately my experience with air rifles ( from humble to exotic ) is that I can’t even hit the target at 40 metres , let alone get a decent group !
I usually keep it at 10 -15
Marty, the only thing of any importance here is whether or not you enjoy shooting. If you enjoy it, regardless of hitting targets or getting tight groups, then that is all that matters. It actually doesn't matter which gun you use....just as long as you are having a good time.
@@southwestshooters sensible advice, thanks , sorry for moaning 🙏
@@martybennett1861 don't sweat it. Take care.
I know a good few people with FX guns and lots of them have had problems with them in one form or another.
Plenty choice of good guns about for alot less money
The best pellets my .177 rm8 prefers is the exact 10.84g. Not tried the bisleys yet but im getting 8 shots at 30 yards under a quid coin with the exacts. Try those on ya tests and see what u get m8 :-)
Thank you for your effort, but Rm8 is far behind as a competitor with Impact m2
I don't agree with you.
@@southwestshooters as a gun dealer we sell both. At this moment we have both. M2 Built quality is way better than Rm8, m2 got more flexibility! And tuning facilities.
Unfortunate that you used bisley magnums in the RM8, not a good pellet for thar gun, JSB and RWS superdomes would have given a much better guide.
getting a group like that with fx mk2 there must be a problem and comparing it to the rm8 😂
If you know, you know.
Hi I think that was not a fair comparison as the fx is three times the price of the walther rotex yes the fx was I little better but not three tines better I am a fan of yhe fx and I own a rm8 I am a fan of yours but think this was not a fair comparison sorry
That's fine! I totally respect that. Could you try and explain why it's not fair exactly?
In reality this is a bullshit comparison. Accuracy should be tested inside not outside in windy conditions. Doing it like this is useless
Wrong.
I do not even have to compare these to guns against each other the Fx is far superior than the Rm8 . The Rm8 is not even close in comparison than the fx .
I, respectfully, disagree with you.
that posture does not look good for yr back/neck
Bugger ! Gorra go to work , I'll watch the vid later. ..
I'd imagine it will still be here when you finish work!
The walther will go rusty if you take your eyes off it
Not a good test 👎
I used nx200 but I’m more accurate than you🤣🤣🤣
Cool story!
Rm8, better gun with10 shots and only 5 out the FX😂
the rm8 gave me 3 non shots in half an hour. shite
Yes, that isn't good enough.
@@southwestshooters it's gone back. Fully refunded. Not recommended.