Excellent vid as always.....thank you Kevin. BTW....this is the first vid (for me anyway) that mixed synthetic wire with standard turnbuckles. It would seem that this hybrid is the easiest and best way to do the fine turning that all rigs (especially synthetic) require from time to time. When the time comes for rigging wire replacement on my boat, this is the system I was thinking to use. So please keep us posted if there are any negative drawbacks to consider.
Sticks, string, bronze, and leather. This makes me happy - when folk set sail in all weather to make a living on the sea, they used this technology. Hundreds of years of learning and experience came to this very conclusion. Now, I'm no Luddite, but steel wire was for hobbyists - I'm with the real sailors who had no choice about facing the dangers of the sea, day in, day out. They trusted lines for their standing rigging - so do I.
@@howtosailoceans1423 Rolling the Wave Rover 650 over tomorrow in the boat shed...safe yes, but not as challenging as a roll over at sea. Fair winds my friend.
I find myself watching your videos over and over. If there's nothing new posted for anyone I follow, and I just don't feel like picking up a book, i pick one of your videos and just let the things loop
Crossed paths with you at Jackson Creek entrance this morning, dropped anchor in Poquoson like that after sunset but still some light, had to sail in last 5 miles
@@howtosailoceans1423 Yes, “to reduce sail area by lowering the gaff.” I’ve only sailed on one gaffer, and her captain never saw the need for that operation while I was with them. 🙂
I found your channel a couple of weeks ago, and be already a huge fan. Keep up the good work, your channel is a good place to learn the one or other thing.
the most authentic dude I've found. wish more people were into it. any time you get bored explain gaff rigging more in your own words and experience, please. I'll gobble it up. there are others I watch who have multimillions of subscribers but each weak are blinging and down to brash but no gaff. I want to know more about that rig. careful if that's stainless and aluminum not sure what your pulleys are made of... but you exposed them so keep an aye on that. Sea you next week! Nice splice btw looks wright.
I was thinking about replacing my rigging with dyneema but the thing I don’t like is if the mast is hit by a lightning, the dyneema will melt and the mast will go down…
Kevin, So good to see you my friend , and yes I immensely enjoyed the video and most of all your thoughts on .. when and why to Abort a mission and have a back up that is far safer with a positive result . Yes one never leaves the ground or shore without a solid plan in place that is always flexible ... I am sure by now you are way south for the winter . Fair Winds and Safe Sea's. Robert North Star
It would be interesting if you would explain why you chose Dyneema. Also When you mention certain towns and rivers, it would be nice if you explained exactly where you are for the geographically challenged. Thanks.
It's actually Dynice Dux, which is stiffer and stronger than Dyneema. I chose it because is can be easily spliced, and is very light. Yeah, I know, I need to show more maps in my vids ...
I appreciate your change to dyneema rigging, but I am also somewhat surprised given your traditional approach in general. That said, you did select and eye splice and keep the turnbuckles rather than go all long haired with lashings. I am looking forward to your thoughts as the rig settles in. Great stuff! Need more guitar and bass, because I love it;-). Fair Winds to you and the lady!
Yes, they want you to use the deadeyes I'm sure, probably why their thimbles don't fit conventional rigging toggles. But I like my Merriman bronze turnbuckles, those are too nice to throw out.
As always another wonderful video...Kevin keeps it real. As far as dyneema vs traditional rigging goes. I would love to have had this material available when I rigged my 158 foot topsail schooner in 1985 just for the weight savings alone in the top hamper. For those viewers that would insist on a " real look" you could worm parcel and serve over the dyneema....LOL , wonder if worm and parcel with the lay, serve it back the other way still applies ? Great choice Kevin...
Thanks again for the nice adventure. My standing rigging is about the same age as yours but I’m on freshwater. Thinking of taking the plunge and going synthetic. You and Heriberto are showing me the way. Oh, Happy Thanksgiving!!
Hi Kevin...love your videos! You looking for a sailing partner for a few weeks, while you're in the Caribbean for the winter ? That has been my dream. I am planning on sailing there in a few years, for the winter. It gets bloody cold here on the east coast of Canada 🇨🇦 in the winter! You should plan on sailing here next summer. I also have a 27' Mirage, I will be sailing here from Sept Illes, Quebec, next summer. It should take about 10 days, depending on the weather! Take care and stay safe! Lloyd from Canada 🇨🇦
Nice neat work on the rigging :) but can I suggest you clip onto a prussik around your mast as a backup? It is awfully far to fall if something lets go in your gantline.
Excellent video…..have a bunch of splices and eyes, need to get on Colligo or other vids to re-learn the drill! In St Aug, waiting on a window to head to West Palm.
When is a 1/2" pin not a 1/2" pin? It's interesting to see you using standard turnbuckles to tension the lines. I've seen others using wraps of more dux in place of turnbuckles. I think I like your systems better. Now, the estimated life expectancy of dux rigging is about 10 years (and I've seen some estimates of 5-7 years in the tropics), which is the same as wire rope, but I have seen the wire rope go much longer (like yours). Why switch from wire rope to dux? I replaced the rigging on my main with new wire rope, but didn't do the mizzen yet. I'm considering doing the mizzen with line. I already made new running back stays from 1/4" dyneema. Very easy to splice, but I am curious about the thimbles you used. Can you give more details?
I think Colligo wants you to use their deadeye system for tensioning. But I still would have had to grind the thimbles where they attach at the mast. The advantage of Dux is that it is much lighter and easy to splice, so perfect for the amateur rigger.
Thank you, Kevin. Great video as always. We love all the different camera shots/angles with the different cameras. ie the drone shots. How do you deploy the second anchor? How heavy is it and how much warp goes with the anchor? I’m very interested when it comes to a second anchor. Regards, Jim. Sayshell.
Over 30 year old shrouds 😬?? I’m reasonably new to sailing and keep hearing that you need to change your standing rigging every 10 years...mainly for the insurance I assume but there seems to be no definitive on this. It’s not a cheap proposition changing the sanding rigging and if yours have done over 30 years that’s a good chunk of money saved on 3 rig changes that wasn’t necessary to spend. I’m sure it rather depends on how much usage the rig gets, but you have crossed the Atlantic twice in the recent years on 30 year old rigging. Maybe this says it all. I’d love to hear your viewpoint even explain your thought process about rigging in a video...I’m sure I won’t be the only one who would find this useful/informative. Love the videos and inspiration they provide..fair winds
Thanks Matt. Yes, I've heard the 10 year replacement plan for wire as well, but my shrouds showed no signs of stress after 30 years and some hard sailing. Nonetheless I thought it a good idea to replace them.
@@howtosailoceans1423 Thanks, definitely food for thought, maybe I'm a little sceptical when it comes to things like this. I'm sure riggers are more than happy with the 10 year rule and would not be so should people decide to go with 30 instead....😉
Hi Kevin we have watched from the beginning and love your content. But the sound when you are outside is consistently poor. I can only presume that you don’t listen to the quality when editing. Others in similar circumstances seem to manage better quality sound I wonder if it might be worthwhile researching something to assist. Stay Safe and Happy Sailing Sue and Brian
Yet another enjoyable glimpse into sailing for real. Always enjoy hearing the reasons why a plan is being changed as so often has to happen. Question: Will you get 30+ years out your new shrouds? I know that tech is always improving, but not details. You didn't mention it, but I assume there is no appreciable difference in weight. Weight up high can't be good.
Yes, Dux is a fraction the weight of wire, so easy to carry spare lengths. Probably will not last as long as wire, but working with it is only a semi-skilled job, so replacing it every 10 years or so seems acceptable.
I just bought a 28ft southern cross I need to sail it home to deltaville from key largo first time making this trip any advice I need to make it as quick as possible because of work will proply doin trip in the spring thanks
If you wait until at least April, should not be too difficult offshore. Just find a spell of southerly winds. If you can't make it before a front /low comes off the coast, there are places you can duck in, such as Beaufort.
Hi Al, I see Partners is still in the water at the head of the Creek. Looks like I may be able to head out end of the week, but that depends on how the weather picture develops.
Nice - working on my dyneema shrouds now for the Contest 31. I'm planning on converting to external chainplates on the topsides. The current ones are 50 years old, time to go. I would have thought you would use 9mm for your shrouds?
They tell me 7mm is the correct size. The thimbles can take 9mm, so I could swap it out if things appear strained. 7mm Dux is just strong enough to pick up the entire boat.
Might sound like a silly question so bare with me, do you have any way of ensuring that the tension on the new rigging is balanced so that your not putting an uneven strain on the mast?
How did you determine the 7mm size was the correct size for your shrouds? Your boat is really looking good and the hard dodger seems to be working well. Fair winds!
Nice, Kevin. I did this on my engineless 8 ton cutter gaff too 4 years ago. She stiffened very noticeably up. How’s your old girl adjusting to her new jewelry?
Starting from one mile to go and five minutes to sunset, he would have reached the anchorage about ten minutes after sunset. At that latitude, evening twilight is around 40 minutes. He then would have about 30 minutes to the end of ever darkening twilight. That seems enough time to complete duties associated with anchoring and making ready for the night. (assuming no unanticipated clusters) Even still, the hook would be set well before night.
That sure beats Kevin’s usual luck of having the wind completely die and he’s left sculling into the anchorage and setting anchor a couple of hours after sunset
Aye m8, looks like you’ll have nice wind tomorrow but then again not superb in Friday. Hope you’re satisfied with the new HMPE rig. How much do you reckon the centre of gravity lowered by this change? Anything? Just a bit? Negligible? Or significantly? Can you actually feel any difference? Like less rocking when wind hit you at anchor?
Was your decision to go with Dyneema standing rigging influenced by your relationship with Herby and Maddie? I originally found your channel from one of their videos with your meetup. What's your current feeling about Dyneema rigging?
This was a very poetic episode. I love it.
Excellent vid as always.....thank you Kevin.
BTW....this is the first vid (for me anyway) that mixed synthetic wire with standard turnbuckles. It would seem that this hybrid is the easiest and best way to do the fine turning that all rigs (especially synthetic) require from time to time. When the time comes for rigging wire replacement on my boat, this is the system I was thinking to use. So please keep us posted if there are any negative drawbacks to consider.
Will keep you posted on how things work out. Thanks for stopping by.
Sticks, string, bronze, and leather.
This makes me happy - when folk set sail in all weather to make a living on the sea, they used this technology. Hundreds of years of learning and experience came to this very conclusion.
Now, I'm no Luddite, but steel wire was for hobbyists - I'm with the real sailors who had no choice about facing the dangers of the sea, day in, day out.
They trusted lines for their standing rigging - so do I.
Good seamanship putting out 2 anchors. My biggest fear in a windy anchorage is the other boats dragging and coming down on me.
Oh yes, especially those catamarans with such wide beams.
@@howtosailoceans1423 very true my friend.
@@howtosailoceans1423 Rolling the Wave Rover 650 over tomorrow in the boat shed...safe yes, but not as challenging as a roll over at sea. Fair winds my friend.
@@RoversAdventure Awesome! Make sure you have the cameras rolling.
I find myself watching your videos over and over. If there's nothing new posted for anyone I follow, and I just don't feel like picking up a book, i pick one of your videos and just let the things loop
That was quite the tacking drill against that current, I was fighting a good two knots. Nice weather now, looks like another blow coming this weekend.
I wish I had known you were anchored at Sandy Point. I’m only a mile or so away. Oh well, ships in the night.
A REAL sailing channel! You'll learn a lot on this one.
Crossed paths with you at Jackson Creek entrance this morning, dropped anchor in Poquoson like that after sunset but still some light, had to sail in last 5 miles
You are on Wizzard? Was pretty flat yesterday.
We waited for you in the Berry islands, thinking you might stop by for a gam.
Ahoy, Kevin! Good stuff, as always! This is the first time I’ve ever heard someone say “Scandalize the main,” out loud! 🔥🙂
That is a technical term, btw.
@@howtosailoceans1423 Yes, “to reduce sail area by lowering the gaff.” I’ve only sailed on one gaffer, and her captain never saw the need for that operation while I was with them. 🙂
I found your channel a couple of weeks ago, and be already a huge fan. Keep up the good work, your channel is a good place to learn the one or other thing.
the most authentic dude I've found. wish more people were into it. any time you get bored explain gaff rigging more in your own words and experience, please. I'll gobble it up. there are others I watch who have multimillions of subscribers but each weak are blinging and down to brash but no gaff. I want to know more about that rig. careful if that's stainless and aluminum not sure what your pulleys are made of... but you exposed them so keep an aye on that. Sea you next week! Nice splice btw looks wright.
Thanks Willis ... "each week are blinging and down to brash but no gaff". LOL!
@@howtosailoceans1423 "each WEAK" sorry I play around with sea-man-ticks a bit. It helps me real lies, sir, tan things. Every word has value.
Such good stuff!
Hi Kevin…..I replaced all my steel rigging with dyneema about four years ago…..very happy with the decision 🇺🇸
Good to hear, Stott! Hope all is well up north, must be getting wintry up there by now.
How much did it stretch over the year ?
i have rigging issues with my 36' Franz Mass. thanks so much for the inspiration!
I was thinking about replacing my rigging with dyneema but the thing I don’t like is if the mast is hit by a lightning, the dyneema will melt and the mast will go down…
👍👍👍
Nice ................. : )
Cool windlass . Handy for keeping the blubber away!
Im stuck on the boat,rain for days…so….First!
Good you are able to make up all lines your self , much better than wire.
Kevin,
So good to see you my friend , and yes I immensely enjoyed the video and most of all your thoughts on .. when and why to Abort a mission and have a back up that is far safer with a positive result . Yes one never leaves the ground or shore without a solid plan in place that is always flexible ... I am sure by now you are way south for the winter . Fair Winds and Safe Sea's.
Robert
North Star
Thanks Robert and Happy New Year! Yes, in Florida at present.
Ahhh, yet another use for poultry shears. 😀
It would be interesting if you would explain why you chose Dyneema. Also When you mention certain towns and rivers, it would be nice if you explained exactly where you are for the geographically challenged. Thanks.
It's actually Dynice Dux, which is stiffer and stronger than Dyneema. I chose it because is can be easily spliced, and is very light. Yeah, I know, I need to show more maps in my vids ...
@@howtosailoceans1423 It's always fun plotting along. Learning a lot good inside Bay knowledge that way.
I appreciate your change to dyneema rigging, but I am also somewhat surprised given your traditional approach in general. That said, you did select and eye splice and keep the turnbuckles rather than go all long haired with lashings. I am looking forward to your thoughts as the rig settles in. Great stuff! Need more guitar and bass, because I love it;-). Fair Winds to you and the lady!
Yes, they want you to use the deadeyes I'm sure, probably why their thimbles don't fit conventional rigging toggles. But I like my Merriman bronze turnbuckles, those are too nice to throw out.
I'm sure you're loving the cabin heater now! The synthetic rigging is intriguing.
Apart from the soot on the deck, yes I love the heater.
As always another wonderful video...Kevin keeps it real. As far as dyneema vs traditional rigging goes. I would love to have had this material available when I rigged my 158 foot topsail schooner in 1985 just for the weight savings alone in the top hamper.
For those viewers that would insist on a " real look" you could worm parcel and serve over the dyneema....LOL , wonder if worm and parcel with the lay, serve it back the other way still applies ?
Great choice Kevin...
The nice thing about putting service on Dux is that you can wrap the cloth tape and twine any way you like, it's braided.
@@howtosailoceans1423 were you able to get into the creek yet?
@@tomwaite4594 I'm in Jackson Creek now.
@@howtosailoceans1423 excellent....looking at the bus schedule for you and Ruth Avery today...calling Dom a bit later
Awesome video- lived near Deltaville when i was a kid- many of my family is buried near there- love your videos
Another fine video. Thanks!
Thanks again for the nice adventure. My standing rigging is about the same age as yours but I’m on freshwater. Thinking of taking the plunge and going synthetic. You and Heriberto are showing me the way. Oh, Happy Thanksgiving!!
Happy Thanksgiving, James!
Hi Kevin...love your videos!
You looking for a sailing partner for a few weeks, while you're in the Caribbean for the winter ? That has been my dream. I am planning on sailing there in a few years, for the winter. It gets bloody cold here on the east coast of Canada 🇨🇦 in the winter! You should plan on sailing here next summer. I also have a 27' Mirage, I will be sailing here from Sept Illes, Quebec, next summer. It should take about 10 days, depending on the weather!
Take care and stay safe!
Lloyd from Canada 🇨🇦
Nice neat work on the rigging :) but can I suggest you clip onto a prussik around your mast as a backup? It is awfully far to fall if something lets go in your gantline.
I have a short span of rope wrapped around the mast as a safety, like telephone workers use.
Excellent video…..have a bunch of splices and eyes, need to get on Colligo or other vids to re-learn the drill! In St Aug, waiting on a window to head to West Palm.
May see you in Florida. Covid rules are changing my Bahamas plans ...
Thank you!!
Thanks for watching.
Really good stuff in this video! I will be interested to see how the dynamic settles in and your thoughts on it. Go south! Winter is comming!
Ahoy from Tennessee.
When is a 1/2" pin not a 1/2" pin? It's interesting to see you using standard turnbuckles to tension the lines. I've seen others using wraps of more dux in place of turnbuckles. I think I like your systems better. Now, the estimated life expectancy of dux rigging is about 10 years (and I've seen some estimates of 5-7 years in the tropics), which is the same as wire rope, but I have seen the wire rope go much longer (like yours). Why switch from wire rope to dux?
I replaced the rigging on my main with new wire rope, but didn't do the mizzen yet. I'm considering doing the mizzen with line. I already made new running back stays from 1/4" dyneema. Very easy to splice, but I am curious about the thimbles you used. Can you give more details?
I think Colligo wants you to use their deadeye system for tensioning. But I still would have had to grind the thimbles where they attach at the mast. The advantage of Dux is that it is much lighter and easy to splice, so perfect for the amateur rigger.
7:19 ish. Nice guitar playing skipper...
Thank you, Kevin. Great video as always. We love all the different camera shots/angles with the different cameras. ie the drone shots. How do you deploy the second anchor? How heavy is it and how much warp goes with the anchor? I’m very interested when it comes to a second anchor.
Regards, Jim. Sayshell.
My second anchor is a 35lb fisherman, all nylon rode, so easy to run out in the dinghy.
Kevin, I think you should try to get some sponsors, find a boat and go for the next GGR.
GGR?
@@howtosailoceans1423 yes Sr. Golden Globe Race. Around the world at the best Sir Robin Knox fassion.
@@marianoschaller9066 Oh yikes, probably going to pass on that ...
Over 30 year old shrouds 😬?? I’m reasonably new to sailing and keep hearing that you need to change your standing rigging every 10 years...mainly for the insurance I assume but there seems to be no definitive on this. It’s not a cheap proposition changing the sanding rigging and if yours have done over 30 years that’s a good chunk of money saved on 3 rig changes that wasn’t necessary to spend. I’m sure it rather depends on how much usage the rig gets, but you have crossed the Atlantic twice in the recent years on 30 year old rigging. Maybe this says it all.
I’d love to hear your viewpoint even explain your thought process about rigging in a video...I’m sure I won’t be the only one who would find this useful/informative.
Love the videos and inspiration they provide..fair winds
Thanks Matt. Yes, I've heard the 10 year replacement plan for wire as well, but my shrouds showed no signs of stress after 30 years and some hard sailing. Nonetheless I thought it a good idea to replace them.
@@howtosailoceans1423 Thanks, definitely food for thought, maybe I'm a little sceptical when it comes to things like this. I'm sure riggers are more than happy with the 10 year rule and would not be so should people decide to go with 30 instead....😉
I'm sure you meant to say it's Friday the 19th of November 2021.....lol
Hi Kevin
we have watched from the beginning and love your content.
But the sound when you are outside is consistently poor.
I can only presume that you don’t listen to the quality when editing.
Others in similar circumstances seem to manage better quality sound
I wonder if it might be worthwhile researching something to assist.
Stay Safe and Happy Sailing
Sue and Brian
Yet another enjoyable glimpse into sailing for real. Always enjoy hearing the reasons why a plan is being changed as so often has to happen.
Question: Will you get 30+ years out your new shrouds? I know that tech is always improving, but not details. You didn't mention it, but I assume there is no appreciable difference in weight. Weight up high can't be good.
Yes, Dux is a fraction the weight of wire, so easy to carry spare lengths. Probably will not last as long as wire, but working with it is only a semi-skilled job, so replacing it every 10 years or so seems acceptable.
what this knot 6:40 called? can it be used to stop spreaders from sliding?
That's called service. Yes, it could help to stop spreaders from sliding.
@@howtosailoceans1423 thank you very much, I will try to find service knot.
I just bought a 28ft southern cross I need to sail it home to deltaville from key largo first time making this trip any advice I need to make it as quick as possible because of work will proply doin trip in the spring thanks
If you wait until at least April, should not be too difficult offshore. Just find a spell of southerly winds. If you can't make it before a front /low comes off the coast, there are places you can duck in, such as Beaufort.
Kevin, Just got home from a trip to NC, and see you anchored out. Any idea when you may head off shore?
Al
Hi Al, I see Partners is still in the water at the head of the Creek. Looks like I may be able to head out end of the week, but that depends on how the weather picture develops.
Let me if you need anything or a ride. My dock and dinghy dock are open. Al
Thanks Al!
I love watching you sail around God's country.
Nice - working on my dyneema shrouds now for the Contest 31. I'm planning on converting to external chainplates on the topsides. The current ones are 50 years old, time to go. I would have thought you would use 9mm for your shrouds?
They tell me 7mm is the correct size. The thimbles can take 9mm, so I could swap it out if things appear strained. 7mm Dux is just strong enough to pick up the entire boat.
@@howtosailoceans1423 Very true! Thanks for this update. Your technical approach to things is always appreciated.
Might sound like a silly question so bare with me, do you have any way of ensuring that the tension on the new rigging is balanced so that your not putting an uneven strain on the mast?
How did you determine the 7mm size was the correct size for your shrouds? Your boat is really looking good and the hard dodger seems to be working well. Fair winds!
Colligo says that 7mm Dux is approx. equivalent to 1/4" 1x19 wire.
@@howtosailoceans1423 Thanks for that info.
Nice, Kevin. I did this on my engineless 8 ton cutter gaff too 4 years ago. She stiffened very noticeably up. How’s your old girl adjusting to her new jewelry?
So far so good.
You left me hanging. Did you make it to the anchorage while there was still light left, or was it after dark?
Starting from one mile to go and five minutes to sunset, he would have reached the anchorage about ten minutes after sunset. At that latitude, evening twilight is around 40 minutes. He then would have about 30 minutes to the end of ever darkening twilight. That seems enough time to complete duties associated with anchoring and making ready for the night. (assuming no unanticipated clusters) Even still, the hook would be set well before night.
Your calculations are correct.
That sure beats Kevin’s usual luck of having the wind completely die and he’s left sculling into the anchorage and setting anchor a couple of hours after sunset
Aye m8, looks like you’ll have nice wind tomorrow but then again not superb in Friday. Hope you’re satisfied with the new HMPE rig. How much do you reckon the centre of gravity lowered by this change? Anything? Just a bit? Negligible? Or significantly? Can you actually feel any difference? Like less rocking when wind hit you at anchor?
Probably not going to make too much of a difference, although I did pull about 30lbs out of the rig, every little bit helps ...
Was your decision to go with Dyneema standing rigging influenced by your relationship with Herby and Maddie? I originally found your channel from one of their videos with your meetup. What's your current feeling about Dyneema rigging?
It's Dynice Dux, so far I like it. Easy to work with, although it takes a while for those splices to stretch out.
you are replacing something that lasted 30 years and shows no deterioration,
with something different, interesting.
Except there was no “tuning”… replacing yes, tuning no
Maybe sleep in a little more??
Oh yeah, with the long nights and colder weather I almost go into hibernation.