The U.S. Governments Secret Plot to Assassinate Joseph Smith REVEALED!
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No wonder the Book of Mormon puts so much focus on secret combinations! This video totally eclipses the version of the killers that I previously had! Thank you!!!
Wow!! This is mind blowing!! Four years of Seminary. Four years of religion classes (at BYU), Institute classes and a lifetime of studying Church history at Sunday School and I don’t remember hearing any of this. This is Amazing work by these two scholars. Thank you so much for all your long, hard work!!😊
Jury Nullification is Mosiah 29. The Maxim of Law " The voice of the people is the voice of God". For better or worse Jury Nullification is what the jury has the duty to do at all times. It is simply the peoples voice of conscience to right a wrong unless the blood of the innocent be upon the people. If lds still believed in jury Nullification Utah wouldn't be such a boot licking police state with all of Lucifers tools running the show and it's just a show
I feel the same way about the mob in Kirtland who tarred and feathered Joseph Smith, and he preached the next day. What I didn't know until after 50 years old is that he was killed and had a near death experience. No wonder the mob left. They thought they had finished the job. No wonder they were shocked the next morning!
The same here. I'm hearing so much for the first time. And I read all the church history books. And heard of none of this. Great podcast.
I think that many in Missouri wanted it to be a slave state but the church wanted it to be a free state. Not just about polygamy.
Ward Radio is a machine with new content! I am loving it!
Dennis Lott Harris is one of my direct ancestors. It’s kind of cool to hear other people tell his story outside of my family.
Loved this episode.. thanks for having Shannon, Kimberly and Brian on for this interesting discussion. It is fascinating how much new information is coming to light on this topic. I love it when you guys have guests such as these :)
Seems like Joseph went back from the west to prevent his vision of the saint's blood running through the streets. He went back to sacrifice his self and save the saints.
Also not well known is the fact that libel is not protected speech, whether at the city, state or national level.
Dallin H. Oaks shared the story of Robert Scott and Dennison Harris back in an October 1997 general conference talk. (Dennison was the son of Emer Harris, Martin Harris's older brother.) He didn't share all the details told here, but one detail he did mention was that after Joseph learned what the boys had told him, he advised the boys, for their own safety, to not tell anyone else what they knew of the conspiracy for at least 20 years.
When Cardon says "these dudes came so BOOMER prepared" that dudes face just dropped so hard at 56:00
Lolol…. He got what I was saying afterwards and laughed…
Yeah, that was sad.
Great guests! Love this episode!! I learned so much and gained so much more appreciation for Joseph Smith. What a great way to commemorate his martyrdom thank you so much!
Thanks for sharing this!! My grandmother was really into church history. I had heard of the teens who were spies, Joseph and Hyrum crossing the Mississippi River and being called back by Emma and members, but I NEVER heard about Joseph killed by the well. 😮
Epic episode. Man I can't wait for JS to come back and fulfill his work he has been given to do! Hurrah for Israel and Zion!
Joseph Smith to Return video on Zion or Bust.
I like how Cardon runs the shows time limits. It’s like me with music lessons. “Okay, we have six minutes left.” … 20 minutes later. “Alright, have a good week!”
Opponents get to a point that they have to stop doing research, because it destroys their positions. They aren't lazy learners, they are selective learners.
$500 in 1845 is worth $20,662.43 today
20 pieces of silver…
A scripture example of a falen prophet is Samuel and David . David killed 200 men one chapter after he took down Goliath and Samuel was already bad befor that
@@unholywarrior9007 I don't get your point.
Ag in the video they brought up some people were sating the book of mormon was true but we think Joseph was a fallen prophet . I don't think Joseph was a fallen prophet. But I think Samuel was definitely a false prophet and David was also a horrible person
@@unholywarrior9007 ah, yes, now that I finished the video, makes more sense. and yes, it's pretty wild to see how far people can fall
They did it to JS before they did it to Bobby Kennedy.
We need a part 2 of this. I need more! Continue this discussion please.
Has anyone put all of this in a book I would buy several.
Some in Carthage conspiracy by oaks, some in History of Warsaw by Stutzman
@@brianstutzman5037thank you.
I am 78 years old and I vaguely remember my mother telling me some of these things. This all sounds very familiar. Thank you!!
YEEESSSS!!! This is one of my favorite topics!!!
Awesome story!! I just wish Cardon would shut up long enough for them to tell it! I found myself yelling at the screen on multiple occasions, as he took his over the top surfer bro lingo “Woah Dude” (which is fine by me) Only to then ADHD his way into side track after side track of unrelated word vomit that adds nothing to the topic we came to hear about. It just eats up the guests time, and clearly wrecks their concentration, and derails their presentation! Brother Cardon, I’m a big fan, and have watched just about every episode put out over the last 2 years. This is something that has really bothered me from time to time, but I have let it go in the past, because I realize that you gotta be Cardon. Coming at you with love, respect, and a decent dose of “bro ribbing”, I ask you to please consider, that sometimes “Less is More”! You can be you, and still be considerate of the fact that you do lay it on too thick sometimes, and it becomes a serious determent to flow of the show. I hope you’ll take my “constructive criticism” with all the love, respect and desire for you and the show to be successful in the future. Still a big fan! Still going to watch, like, and share…. But I couldn’t hold it in this time bro! I had to say it! Dial it back a bit brother!
If you are literally screaming at the screen over this video you may want to see a shrink.
@@wes2176 LOL thanks for the tip! As I said before, I criticize, because I care. I’m not a hater, but the opposite! I want to see the Ward achieve its greatest potential!
I bet you’re fun at parties. There are other ways besides berating someone if their personality seems to irritate you. Learn some couth for heaven’s sake.
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@@Drumaddictmatt_48 All good. I hope you were smiling as you were screaming.
I want to see an image of
the documents
180 years to the day… great episode!
Governor Ford lured Joseph and Hyrum to Carthage with multiple promises of protection and then abandoned them to be killed by the mob.
$500 is worth about $20,000. Their dollars are worth 41.32 times more today.
He just misspoke and it happens. He was just guessing. We all do that. But I thank you for clarifying. I love knowing the truth. 😊
This is such an epic episode and I learned so much from this. Tied together so many facts I already knew with a bunch of wild new facts.
Cardon opened the wrong power point so who is the real BOOMER?
Lolol… fair enough.
If you remember from the book of Luke, there was a part where Jesus was walking along with a large group of people. There was a guy named Zacchaeus who was so small he was having trouble seeing over the crowd, so he climbed up in a tree so he could see. When Jesus saw him, Zaccheaus called out, "Yall gonna make me lose my mind, up in here, up in here!"
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I was so looking forward to a pearl of wisdom I could take with me on my spiritual journey and instead all I got was this tremendous belly laugh😅
Stephen Markham was a Chad, his story around the martyrdom is fantastic.
@35:25 I'm proud to say that I'm a direct descendant of Dennison Lott Harris. This is one of our proudest family stories that she is telling.
It was a pleasure for me to be able to tell his story! What a legacy.
@@cameronsmith5786 Thank you for doing so! I'm following your youtube channel now. I'm glad he gave you all an opportunity to give us more ways we could follow you guys.
@@cameronsmith5786doesnt this sound a lot like blood atonement? John Taylor gave a talk about murder being ok, and necessary at times. Brigham also taught this. I think you are on the right track, keep researching. But be open to the truth when you find it
Praise to the Man!
I need this PowerPoint presentation!!
Im concerned of Gods judgements on us for not living by and enforcing our great Constitution. President Kimball and Benson warned us of this. Truky sad that people of Jisephs Smuths time didnt enforce the Constitution in support of Joseph Smith!
True Cardon! Alma the elder excommunicated the Younger after just a PPE! 😂😂😂
It’s crazy that the conspiracy is 3 towns 18 miles apart with 18 being an important number! 666=18. 18=9. 3x18=54=9. 9= High Calling near completion. Can be flipped to 6=the day Man was created. Triangle Pyramid conspiracy! The eye of Horus at 9 miles in the center for the plot! I’m loving adding these numbers to my research!
Goldens point? Are you serious? Crazy koinkeedink! The eye of plotting in a pyramid center town call Goldens Point?
What if the saints joined the anti gadianton attorney party? The lost tribes would probably be gathered abd Zion established.
Today is June 27!
The Higbee Brothers are my great granduncles 😭 I'm through Isaac Higbee Jr who went on to found Utah County, Under the direction of President Young. Prophecy fulfilled brother against brother.
From the sounds of it there are plenty more colorful characters that were once faithful Saints in Zion, that eventually turned coat, some of which became murderers. Just imagine what it would be like to be in their shoes just before they left this life, and then to be met at the Veil, if they ever made it that far, to stand to account for those evil acts. Imagine the fear and torment that they went through, and will continue to go through hereafter. Sucks to be them for sure.
@joepro66 it’s okay, my parents told a story of when they first visited Carthage how the bloodstain was still in the floor, and then on their next visit it had been removed because some of the descendants of the mob had joined the church and asked for it to be removed (I believe they asked the guide about it or something, and that’s what they were told). We all have humans in our ancestry 🙃
@@gingersnaps215 what year was that around? Roughly would u say?
@@ChristIsMyRedeemer2024 If I remember right it I was under President Kimball that the stain was removed.
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You always make my day, bro!
@@madmanmanx That makes me so happy! 🥹
I went to Sidney Rigdons church once in southern California
"O Lord, my God? Is there no mercy for the widow's son?"
Ward Radio could probably do an episode on how this is the full recitation of what Joseph Smith said before he fell out the window, and how the reason he said it was to give the Masonic sign of distress to the people storming the jail cell to see if they would help a Masonic brother or if they would break their Masonic vows. If this point gets brought up later in the video beyond where I am now in my viewing of it I will delete this comment.
Get outta here with your anti rhetoric. This story line has been addressed and it is a nothing ball. Next please. Meanwhile, who recorded that is what Joseph said as he fell? Hmmm... probably the masons who were storming the building and killing him under blood oath to do so. Good luck with your apostate view of the prophet.
Governor Ford went to Joseph house and ate with Emma Smith while Joseph was being murdered. He knew what was happening and went to visit Joseph's wife.
Yes. That was very diabolical of him
Emma may have poisoned Joseph Smith according to Porter Rockwell biography! She burned Joseph's copy of D&C 132 in the fire. She kept translations Joseph had made of the Bible that should have belonged to the church.... I hope she repented before she met J.C.
Oh I never heard that, what is the source?
When are we getting the movie!?
Yup. Joseph Smith was viewed as a constitution violator because he was a religious leader holding political office. He combined church and state and was commanding a militia. Not really a great image. He should have had other people be mayor and command the Nauvoo legion. There were other people in Nauvoo who were capable.
I wonder what political party Thomas Ford and Lilburn Boggs belonged to. :)
It saddens me that your sharing your views of the murders of Joseph and Hyrum, HAS NOT INCLUDED HIS OWN FOLLOWERS...
"Blood would flow in the streets" well it did flow in the streets... mobs came...Haun's mill...
37:13 geez… and they think temple rituals are satanic… 😂
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Well done 🙏🏼
Can we start saying member-Ex-Communicado hahahah. We like keeanu reeves in this DOJO
Joseph did not order the destruction of the Expositor, it was by Common Consent. Joseph didn't like it and was against it because he would take the brunt of it, but John Taylor and Willard Richards convinced Joseph to agree to it.
Source please
Exactly, this video literally is pushing the worst narratives, that have already been disproven. The Joseph Smith Papers, which has many original sources, proves what you are saying
Today, Nancy Pelosi is Master Mahan.
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Amateur comments, lad
@@_inveterate Im glad I made such an impact, I must have really landed some good ones. Because somebody sounds kind of grumpy.
@@wes2176nah. I’m just more direct than most.
@@wes2176 have you heard of Corbett report? If not, give it a listen and see what you think
But he did NOT answer the question: “do we have the primary sources?”. He says Dallin Oaks claimed to have seen the primary sources, but that does not answer the question.
It’s at least 2nd hand, maybe 3rd hand.
Oaks claimed? No you must have misunderstood. Oaks had the original documents and cited them. 2 months ago I personally held some of the court documents now in the hands of a world renowned collector/historian. Hope that clears it up for you
Mas-on-ic sat-an-ic elites hold primary sources like that against their chest. Good try though. See how you have to have certain titles to be able to view important information? This is how the world functions.
Exactly, this is such a joke to push these here-say accounts to fit their narrative. Sad there was a conference talk with no evidence. Is anyone going to be honest?
@@brianstutzman5037can we see a copy?
It's completely dishonest to claim that a non-member (excommunicated) made a documentary film about Joseph and Hyrum Smith's death. He was 100% a member when the film came out. After it was published, He was called into a council and excommunicated because his documentary film were opposed to the 12 and the film was causing people to question their faith in the official martyrdom story.
None of the facts were disputed in this council meeting.
He filmed it! It's online.
Do me a favor, and stop lying to support your view. That's a straw man and it's unbecoming of a believing member of the church
Yep he is an excommunicated member. I think we clearly show his movie holds no water. And we discussed this him and I on this show, and Taylor Smith did, and showed how his theory really does not hold water. Taylor had a rifle ball in his hand for example. Brigham could not have known any of this as he was in Boston so he could not have arranged it. The mob eventually shelled Nauvoo in the Battle of Nauvoo and neither side ever said it was an inside job. It could not have been, and the mob admitted to it in the newspaper!
In my view that is liked saying Pearl Harbor was an inside job. Crazy to think it was some sort of inside job JUST AS THE MOB fired into the room.
Excommunicated, So was William law and his whole crew of scandalous men and there news paper that you use as evidence to convict Joseph of polygamy.
@@westonwoodbury3011 of you don't believe Joseph introduced plural marriage you are greatly mistaken
@@brianstutzman5037 - you might want look into Pearl Harbour.
It sounds like the documentarian (Taylor Smith?) believes in the Church and the Gospel but just wanted to make a film?
Cardon is a bit obnoxious in this one.
Specifically the boomer jokes and making fun of what people are wearing and doing in the stream. I mean, they're sitting right there, and they're clearly very straight-laced folks who aren't ones for banter. It was just bad room-reading.
Cardon has always been someone that says cringey stuff
@@chimpychimp4921please send me a link to your podcast so o can learn a thing or two.
@@madmanmanx I wasn't aware that honest feedback regarding the treatment of guests wasn't allowed. Duly noted and un-subscribed.
yeah, he's usually not this bad. it did break up the flow and seem to throw them off this time
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There are so many narratives. Especially about the martyrdom. No 2 accounts agree with eachother.
Brigham Young claiming the throne after the martyrdom does not mean that he was called to be a prophet. And it doesnt prove there wasn't an inside job
The fact he took over would only increase the chamces that he had something to do with it 😂
Also the strongest evidence that joseph smith is a polygamist brought forth here is that the expositer talked about it, quite hilarious. Let's believe the Anti 😂.
Polygamy was never taught or lived by Joseph. Also, the JST of the Old Testament taught those polygamists were living in sin, but mysteriously, the church doesn't publish it in the footnotes because it contradicts 132. Actually, everything joseph taught contradicted brigham Young.
Section 132 wasbeing added later, we are being lied to that it was from Joseph Smith. How dare they smear eternal marriage with polygamy. It was never the same thing.
The BOM taught against polygamy. The D+C taught against it. JOSEPH TAUGHT AGAINST IT. the JST translation taught against it.
This narrative being pushed is the same half truths that has been lied to members since Brigham Young.
This is all about a theory about how the US govt. Tried to kill Joseph Smith, we all wanted to actually hear the sources, was there any delegates that spoke out? I thinkni tdoes apprmear to be a bigger plot than we thought.
Talk about the theory and the sources.
but in it, they are trying to establish falsehoods about Joseph Smith. So sad. Stop smearing the name of Joseph Smith. I wish the members would stop claiming he was a polygamist. He talked with God. H received scripture. Lets focuse on that.
Also, Claiming Brigham being transfigured is quite hilarious. 😂😂
I like to see shows like this because it shows how far apart they are from the evidence.
Ward Radio does a good job getting all of the Spectrum on here, and he does a great job hearing people out
But why would John Taylor have gone to see the Governor before the martyrdom? Maybe he was part of or the actual organizer of the delegates?
Especially because Ford is claiming to be like Pilot. Who was the Judas? Lets talk about that.
This account being 20 years later, interesting, but total here say, but i think its good to get all these accounts in the open
listening to these 3 was like reading the new Saints Volumes. Total propaganda and taking liberties trying to push an agenda.
Crazy to see how early church history gets censored and changed, now more than ever. Imagine how hard it is for Christ to see this. Just like plain and precious truths being changed from the bible.
I do think the ideas Joseph was running on would have won the election of 1848. He was a total abolitionist, that what this episode probabley should have focused on
Cardon interrupts far too often. It is very irritating.
Yo, when did we have Jim Ross on ward radio?!? I’m excited haha :)
Oh my gawsh! It's Porter Rockwell with a steel chair!
@@JamesWrightLBC 👆 this guy gets it and wins !!!! Hahahahhahah. “He’s broken in half!” Ward radio, you get me on doing some wrestling promos but we can choose BOM characters haha. I got skits for days!!!!
But the media said Biden was the best he's ever been!?!
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William Marks was also a trusted friend of Emma Smith if I’m not mistaken
Cardon... I think they met in a 5 point Calvinist chapel. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Today, utah republican votes were riged, everyone we picked almost one... that makes no sense, I want to come on and give my beef. Love you guys, conspiracy happiness today still
EL-ections are rigged world wide at this point. They are selections.
All 5 were acquitted in that murder trial
Wicked men have always allowed other wicked men to get away with evil acts...
Or they didn’t do it
@mikespage0123 they did it, they admitted to doing it.
@@TheRegimentalscot still, they were acquitted. So legally not guilty
@@mikespage0123 no double jeopardy rule in the afterlife.
So by your opinion why was polygomy so necessary? This is what i still dont understand. Why would God tell Jiseoh to practice polygomy kniwing it was against the laws of this land? Im just asking? Nit doubting or questioning if Joseph S was a prophet.
The first five reasons are contained in the same verse:
1. To multiply and replenish the earth
2. To fulfill the promise.
3. For their exaltation.
4. That they may bear the souls of men.
5. That they may be glorified. (D&C 132:63)
6. As a test for men and women. (D&C 132:51)
7. To raise up seed, “for if I will, saith the Lord, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things (monogamy).” (see Jacob 2:30)
One additional possible reason I've seen mentioned is to ensure the Church was kept separate from mainstream apostate Christianity. If you look at the RLDS church, who didn't practice plural marriage and denied for many years that Joseph practice it, they have become essentially just another Protestant church.
Here’s a partial answer (and God seems to always have MULTIPLE reasons for everything He asks of His followers) …
Though polygamy has been painted as a selfish and horrible, immoral thing (essentially “legalized adultery”), look at the reality for many of these plural wives: they, with their first husbands (couples-one wife, one husband: many from Europe) had left everything behind (disowned by family and community in many cases) to join a faith and a consecrated community, only to have their husbands killed by mobs.
In a world where men in high positions would hire prostitutes without batting an eye (along with so many other forms of pleasure without responsibility: legal and illegal), these men unselfishly took on the responsibility of provider-not to mention political and social dangers-without any guarantee of the benefits one might hope for in a typical marriage.
Positive, proactive and prepared: it’s the pattern of prophets, and in this case, it gave some sense of hope and dignity in caring for so many otherwise homeless families as they fled to-and built-a new home in the Rockies.
I know that not all-especially not at first-polygamous marriages involved widows, but there definitely were stories like these, and the UNselfishness of these people: the men AND the families they already had, not to mention those joining them-amazes me.
There’s a whole different conversation about the legal side of the story, including laws (some enacted by characters who were involved in the martyrdom) specifically targeting polygamy, made and enforced retroactively during the early Utah years.
God also asked them to move to Missouri even though “Mormonism” would become illegal there.
Here’s a partial answer (and I think God usually has MULTIPLE reasons for things He asks, and sometimes different reasons on an individual basis)…
Polygamy is so often painted as this twisted sort of “legalized adultery”; as a horrible, selfish thing that no decent person would ever be a part of.
Think of the context here: in many cases, here’s how it played out…
A family somewhere in Europe listens to some missionaries, joins the church and comes to Zion-in many cases being disowned by family and community somewhere in the process.
They join a community of people who are trying to follow God, and are facing all kinds of unforeseen challenges. Things get really crazy and Dad gets killed by a mob. Multiply this story by dozens of families, all who become refugees.
For many of these families, polygamy meant that another family would watch over and provide, even if they were already struggling.
Contrast that with many contemporary American men who would hire prostitutes (though adultery was illegal) and act like it was no big deal, while vilifying these men for taking on all the responsibility but no guarantee of popularity or even pleasure for it.
I know that not all polygamist marriages involved widows, especially at first, but a willingness to lead out in that degree of unselfishness paved the way for needy families soon after: though enemies used it against them, at least their community could support their “new normal” as traumatized women and children were taken into families as they all fled to and built a new home in the Rockies.
MAIN REASON: SIFTING. To test the faith of his real saints. To sift the people who were not real saints. Same as when the practice was finished. Same with the ban on the priesthood. Same with 1978 priesthood revelation. Same with the policy to not allow children of LG-$%^ people to be baptised until after 18yrs (on individual case by case basis allowing it). Same with reversing that policy. Same with the letter in Aug 2021- which gave room for both decisions - take the pointy thing or not. Same with Anything the Brethren are doing or not doing in the past 5 years that seem to be triggering so many people and they choose to walk away. ALL SIFTING. We either pass or fail that test by staying by the tree or not.
Seeee this is what KSL should be putting out stories like this weekly and or 2X a week. Let’s use it as good propaganda and spread the gospel with a news arm!! Go 1000% deep. Pick a lane and let’s stay in it!
Oops, I miscounted the number of scholars. It’s three scholars and not two. Sorry about that.
Cardon, is this oath acceptable?
"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."
I am so disappointed in Shannon Tracy. So many have let me down this week, unbelievable.
Celebrating the martyrdom?
I believe "observing the martyrdom" is the better phrase.
Lol
Please rip on Saints Unscripted more. Anti-Mormons, go get em.
Love the show . What I am about to say is about another show that I can not find . You mentioned Jesus and the devil being brothers . They are if he is the son of the creator . Proof right here . We all are children of the Creator, but all of us are not the creators' children . We all are brothers and sisters, but not all of us follow the creator . I see all arguing about the name . So far I have not heard his name all are descriptive word for the savior or messiah but not a name and they call all pegans who do not say his name . NO ONE KNOWS HIS NAME THE CLOEST IS creator or alpha and omega that is the only time he is referd to as in a name or the most high . Yashua Jesus yeshua all mean messiah or savior not a name . The only way to get his human name is records and as for in spirt If known it's kept secret . BLESS YOU ALL UNDER THE ALPHA AND OMEGA . OH WAIT IS THAT NOT Greek lol
I disagree that just because NXpositor posted intro to polygamy at that meeting it proves that polygamy intro was introed at that meeting. Slanderous lies are a Gadianton SSociet strategy and the Expositor was painting a ak picture of Joseph while still supposedly believing in the Book of Mormon. Liars be liars and may tel partial truth, but, this is not a proof to me.
If you don't believe Joseph introduced plural marriage good luck to you. There is so much evidence including peoples' ancestors' journals speaking about it.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo I never said Joseph did not introduce it. I was saying that just because some lying traitors to Joseph printed it in the Expositors fake news is not the proof they said it was. I have roots from polygamy on both side during Joseph’s time. The Church is what it is today because of t.
Never said I didn’t believe polygamy was instituted by Joseph. Just that the Nauvoo Expositor of fake news lying traitors is not enough to back that theory up with. I am from polygamy families on both sides and they were in Nauvoo and then Utah. The Church growth has much to do with polygamy and many women who were alone and some with children were taken care of.
It's amazing that we almost elected a polygamous U.S. president. That would have normalized polygamy in this country, and we would still be enjoying the fruits of righteous plural marriage. The whole country probably would have converted to the one true church.
And Gay marriage is better for you I’m sure. LoL 😂
Yeah, let’s celebrate. smh
And now we're encouraging kids to permanently change genders through surgery and to terminate nine month fetuses.
…so we can use the embryos to power AI. (according to Glenn Beck)
ArousedMember - I think you are a little too excited about polygamy. The one true church is not founded on polygamy.
The church was founded on the everlasting covenant. Polygamy is one of our peculiar doctrines, and the prophet and his first counselor are showing us that the most righteous brethern are entitled to these blessings to this day.
Why do you not call our leaders President, Cardon? What are you?
Uh, the constitution doesn't allow the president to just get involved and enforce state laws and yes the enforcement of almost all laws regarding crimes is reserved to the States.
The constitution says that the federal government has the obligation to protect each state from internal violence when and only when the State legislature asks for help or if the State legislature cannot meet then the executive of the State can ask.
Joseph as mayor of Nauvoo had no legal authority to ask the federal government to get involved.
Same thing in Missouri before that. We like to give the federal government a bad wrap for not protecting the church but literally anyone who had read the constitution understood that they couldn't legally do anything.
The first amendment only protects the freedom of religion, speech, the press, and assembly from Congress, and so if a State decided to regulate and ban a particular religious group or type of speech there was nothing the feds could legally do to stop it.
This is why state constitutions were and are so seriously important.
You’d probably enjoy reading Tim Ballard’s “The Lincoln Hypothesis”, or other sources that talk about what Joseph Smith’s platform was and how he intended to implement it.
Your points about State Government are SPOT ON.
No, I think Brigham & his polygamist cohorts had a stronger motive.
Lots of people think lots of things.
There is not a single piece of historical evidence or witness statement that back up the modern conspiracy theory that Brigham Young, John Taylor, and Willard Richards killed Joseph Smith.
Yes his rebuttals were poor to this idea. “Brigham was in Boston”. No Brigham said he was in Boston several several years later. It’s not a fact, it’s an unsupported claim. But there are several uncomfy facts that support that Brigham may have been there. Uncomfy
@@ashleywawro8644 There is NOT one, single, irrefutable, objective or historical fact you can show to demonstrate that this modern conspiracy about Brigham Young is true, beyond all reasonable refutation. There is not a single historical fact or even a witness statement you can point to make the case that Brigham Young had anything to do with the murder of Joseph Smith.
We do know that Brigham Young was back Easy because both Hyrum Smith and Joseph Smith wrote him a letter telling him about the movement by their enemies. The original letter still exists. It reads:
PRIOR TO MARTYRDOM…. DID YOU KNOW????
HYRUM AND JOSEPH SMITH WROTE A LETTER TO BRIGHAM YOUNG ON JUNE 17, 1844
This is w evidence that the mob planned and carried out the attack and murder to the Prophet and that Hyrum and Joseph considered Brigham Young their affection brother in the New and Everlasting Covenant.
Nauvoo, June 17th, 1844
Dear Brother Brigham Young,
Large bodies of armed men, cannnon, and munitions of war are coming on from Missouri in steamboats. These facts are communicated to the Governor and President of the United States, and you will readily see that you will have to prepare for the onset.
IN THE BONDS OF THE NEW AND EVERLASTING COVENANT, I REMAIN YOURS,
JOSEPH SMITH
Dear Brother B Young,
There has been for several days a great excitement among the inhabitants in the adjoining counties. Mass meetings are held upon mass meeting, drawing up resolutions to utterly exterminate the saints. The excitement has gotten up by the Laws, Fosters, and the Higbees, and they themselves have left the city, and are engaged in the mob. They have sent their runners into the State of Missouri to excite them to murder and bloodshed, and the report is that a great many hundreds of them will come over to take an active part in murdering the saints. The excitement is very great indeed.
It is thought by myself and others for you to return without delay, and the rest of the Twelve and all the Elders that have gone out from this place, and as many more good, faithful men as feel disposed to come up with them. Let wisdom be exercised; and whatever they do, do it without a noise. You know we are not frightened, but think it best to be well prepared and be ready for the onset; and if it is extermination, extermination it is of course.
Communication to the others of the Twelve with as much speed as possible, with perfect stillness and calmness. A word to te wise is sufficient, and a little powder, lead and a good rifle, can be packed in your luggage very easy without creating any suspicion.
In haste, I remain yours in the firm bonds of the new and everlasting covenant,
Hyrum Smith
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