Who killed Joseph Smith?! | with Brian Stutzman
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- As members of the Church of Jesus Christ, we've been told the story of Joseph Smith's death for many, many years. But could there be some pieces that historians have missed? Or maybe the common story isn't as accurate as it should be told? Today on Saints Unscripted, Brian Stutzman joins us to talk about the death of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (otherwise known as Mormons). Joseph Smith was killed by an angry mob while he was still quite young. We know he died a martyr but who killed Joseph Smith?
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Several other first hand accounts also detail how after the firing squad finished him, someone came forward with a large knife to remove his head but a pillar of light came down from heaven, frightening him off and leaving the firing squad frozen in shock to the point where others had to carry them off and flee. Wild stuff.
I love how the LDS never discuss the suffering of citizens of Warsaw Il at the hands of Mormons.
What suffering?
That's news to me, and I'm a historian. What suffering? Please specify with at least ONE bona fide example.
I am curious about the forensics. If he was shot with 69 caliber balls, and if that is what hit Hyrum and John Taylor, why isn’t there more damage to their bodies? Also, how come you don’t mention the guns that Joseph and Hyrum had in the jail?
How do you explain away the wound to Hyrum’s throat and face. It seems to be an unlikely shot to be made from someone outside of the room. History can be changed/hidden/manipulated but evidence from a crime scene is harder to manipulate. I expected this video to discuss the forensics of the crime scene.
I always find it interesting that, upon recollection of this particular series of events, there is seldom mention of Joseph also being armed with a flintlock/pepperbox pistol, and Joseph managed to seriously injure two people in the process. Why is that?
I won't deny the fact that Joseph probably knew he was a dead man, and that his attempt at fighting back is quite justified, but I find it interesting it doesn't get brought up on retellings.
you're right that isn't talked about a lot and I just recently learned that part. I don't see why it's big news though. I think he had the right to try to defend himself against a mass of men shooting at him. I would have done the same thing
@@lizkt I think a big part of it is it ruins the "martyr" persona that often gets wrapped around JS and the whole event. I suspect it doesn't have the optics that many proponents of the church would like. If anything, it probably all but guaranteed he was going to die.
Go back to 5:04 where they talk about the fire fight.
Firefight was mentioned here. From what I've experienced, it seems to be common knowledge that Joseph defended himself and those with him with a gun (for those who looked into it). It's even shown in the latest movie put out by the Church. People use that argument usually to support the claim that he's not a prophet/martyr). People can split hairs on that...but I don't see why it's unreasonable that he fought back against those people trying to kill him and potentially those with him.
Brendan, I tortilla agree, the fact he took the gun, put others life in danger ( holding Hyrum as a hostage/ human shields, with the illegal bank started, monies gone,
If all churches, are corrupt, why then did Joseph start his own, he was corrupt, Check his court documents, all you had to do was run to another state, no treaties for cross border extractions related to crime, thus a futurtive, returned for the first time, instead of being on the run, this was an accumulation on many numerous crimes, to a head, anti bank - illegal, moves onto Illinois, couldn't Purchase land, in the land of Zion- , hmmm, then on ward bound, there are battles at the Meadow Masscre, tell the truth, it's that simple, old member,no longer
Moron, I- moroni
Hey guys! Fan of your channel! I was just curious if you’re ever planning on talking about Columbus, seeing how Columbus Day has passed. I know he’s often been referred to as the Gentile from the Book of Mormon that was led by the Spirit to find America. However, he’s been looked upon with great contempt by historians and (quite understandably) loathed entirely by Native Americans and other indigenous groups. I was wanting to see what your thoughts are on that. Love y’all!
I don’t think he’s the guy in the BOM but I also don’t think he’s the monster that natives believe he is.
@@Magmacarp Who do you think it was?
@@Magmacarp Look into history. Columbus did some monstrous things. Not saying he was all bad, but look for yourself and see.
@@leem3299 he led a group that did. He didn't. Whenever he visited the Natives, they were thrilled to see him. Many of the vicious acts done by the Spanish were done when he wasn't around.
The real question is why did Taylor and Richards lie about what happened. The truth is more important than protecting an institution.
justinlindsay8768. What evidence do you have of them lying? There is none. Brian Stutzman demolished a proponent of the idea that Joseph Smith was murdered by later President's of the church in a debate on Midnight Mormons.
Yes, the truth is more important. And the truth is a bunch of men went to the jail and killed Joseph. Not too difficult.
@shootergavin3541 so why did Taylor and Richards lie about what happened?
What were their lies?
I’ll just say that mister Stutzman is a typical apologist. Just tells the story the way the church wants it to be told . With no regard to the evidence that tells a much different story . A big one is the bullett wounds in Hyrum and Joseph could have only been made from small caliber pistols that both Taylor and Richard’s had in their possession. If they had been shot by the muskets of the mobsters there would have been decapitation and missing limbs . And blowing off the reasons the printing press was destroyed as a matter of unimportance. Just perpetuates the big lie that we have always been told . Really sick of all the whitewashing and suppression of true church history . Luckily we all have the resources to research these things are selfs now
So several of the leaders of the church are the descendants of Brigham Young, John Taylor, and Willard Richards, right?
Matthew 23 is also a prophecy of the current LDS church.
Matthew 23:31 “Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.”
The Secret Chamber was responsible for the murder of the prophets. Learn for yourself.
My problem with that is Jesus is talking directly to the pharisees, which I don’t see a correlation to the latter day church.
@@thatonedude.8440 if the Spirit isn’t witnessing to you of the multiple layers of scriptural application, then I cannot convince you.
Yes, literally, it is about the Pharisees. But can you liken the scriptures to our day?
I read chapter 23, I see how you could think that, but I disagree because you could compare any group to the pharisees and it would still make sense. Along with the fact I don’t believe Brigham young was joseph smiths murderer
Might want to add in that the men who killed Joseph Smith believed in spiritual wifery, aka- free love (just like the 60s- women passed around), Chauncey Higbee was almost sentenced for attacking women, young women, he was young (barely 20, as were many of his friends, obviously AND in the Nauvoo Legion, so... military trained YOUNG MEN), BUT he was excommunicated in 1842, along with many men- who thought that Spiritual wifery, with it's no commitment and babies being poisoned (infantice, sometimes a poison, sometimes with metal tools, before... they knew about sanitation; it happened by Dr. Bennett who started Spiritual wifery), it's no wonder these men were ANGRY at Emma Smith for calling them out, she used the words Spiritual wifery, and somehow thought polygamy was the same, so did Joseph, so likely many who lived this free love- called it polygamy (thus why many records of Saints who lived plural marriage were fast to correct people that they lived Celestial Plural Marriage, NOT polygamy, they rejected that word- as did Emma... so she was NOT denouncing plural marriage, and on her death bed either, said it could be lived if people lived it right, "but they would not"- likely seeing so many drawn into the no commitment, no consequences version, repeatdly denoucning... Spiritual WIFERY- which wasn't even a marriage, which was denounced by BY and all the 12, the whole Church shouted Amen at WWPhelps speech denouncing Spiritual Wifery...).
It always bugs me a lot when people skip over the facts, when you know what words mean, it's easy to see the Willard, and Taylor in fact always denounced Spiritual wifery as well, it was a different and very evil, very much was the same as human trafficking- exponentially increasing today, whereas plural marriage was with women who gave consent, and were with one man, and eternity only sealings did not mean you were married (JS III infact was told this, on his travels to Utah, but it confused him, he assumed it was spiritual wifery- as do Baptists... it was the total opposite). Just saying it was only sealings that were happening just falls into what these "liars" say as well, that Joseph didn't live celestial plural marriage, he did, he just didn't want to get any pregnant and put their life at risk, as these men were sharply dealt with for living Spiritual wifery, it wasn't "fair" in their minds that they couldn't share-mistreat women however they wanted (Jeffrey Epstein treatment of women is how the men who killed Joseph Smith lived). WHY do they NOT ever... ever... state how Joseph publicly charged Chauncey Higbee as basically a serial (mild word- rapine), WEEKS before Joseph Smith's death and how Higbee was constantly threatening to kill him? ugh, if people knew the real story, they'd NOT lose so much faith in Joseph... I believe that... I get this skirting around dance! (see Neuronal Junction for better explanations and sources, AND a breakdown of the Murder of Hyrum and Joseph).
No murder at all, whether or not who gave the gun is irrelevant, the fact remains whatever the motive feomnthe giver to the receiver, prisoners are never allowed to have a firearm, fact are he took it, never did he rightfully allow the guards to do their job, had he done so and was shot then it's murder but at no time before and nor a martyr, the politics of who what where when and how shall show Joseph took the gun becoming an armed prisoner, the job if the guards are now to disarm, he shouldn't have made the decision to take it, causing his own demise. Clinical, and simple- the facts, threats are threats, guard duty is guard duty, all the emotive and subjective mythos clouds facts, but not with many but the suckers of which I was 1
Most people going down this road support Joseph and Emma but denounce Brigham. The changes that were made to the church after the murders are as suspicious as John Taylor and Willard Richards' story of the killing. No one disputes that the Mob intended to kill the Smiths. Stutzman is a clown.
Joseph Smith, Emma Smith, and Hyrum Smith never separated plural marriage, polygamy, or spiritual wifery from celestial plural marriage. They publicly and privately condemned them all. The Celestial plural marriage was invented to explain why Josrph condemned it. There were no "carefully worded denials". That's a gaslighting technique the church came up with to explain the very adamant denials from Joseph.
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Joseph Smith was a true man of God ordained by God to do His will. He was martyred for His faith. I will always sustain Him as prophet ❤
Warren Jeffs copied Joseph Smith. Wasn't wise. What is the difference between these 2 evil men?
@@mikkifrompreston4396 I was a member but I did my research, and did they make some changes here in au, this wasnprior to covid
I advised the church
1. They were illegally operating( missionaries, business houSe volunteers), 2 had no children checks,
3. visiting home education stuff, stopped, unqualified to due to no trainer qualifications,
4. Cease and desist, using business dealings at church eg, (marriage guidance) psychological, no longer available, conflict of interest( illegal),
5. Missionary abuse,- isolation from family, financial restraints( isolation), ill- trained, with no changes, with incidents and no mishap forms filled in and submitted, no hierarchy of controls used,
Breaches of WHS Legislation Able to phone home ,more than before, i let the missionaries phone from my home, to their home.
The church has since inception see themselves as clean skins but reality check, do it until we have to change, multiple marriages practices still today.yes know about the declaration, it's just that, not law within the church,yes it's practised,externally, no
@@mikkifrompreston4396 that’s not how the story goes dude
@@mikkifrompreston4396 ZionMama won't respond because he doesn't have anything to disprove what you said. His silence has become his response. May we all take note of it
@@mikkifrompreston4396 you giving the churches parroting, do the research first,
They were there to hang Joseph and Hyrum. They were not going down easy. Joseph had been abused and ridiculed as well as physically beaten, and he wasn’t letting it happen again. He fired three shots from the top of the stairs and connected with three individuals, he went back inside to find his brother had been shot and killed. Joseph and Hyrum were in the way of other leaders who had different ideas about polygamy. Joseph and Hyrum faught diligently against Polygamy, even calling it adultery. So many falsehoods have been told about Joseph practicing Polygamy. Lies have been told and history has been changed. Joseph and Hyrum were very good and righteous men and they were completely against the idea of polygamy. Brigham on the other hand had a hard time keeping his pants on around women. He loved the idea of polygamy and practiced it secretly for many years before Joseph‘s death.
As a member myself I don’t like the polygamy history however there are at least 34 documented wives that Joseph Smith had from accounts, witnesses, and personal journals.
This was such a great story... that I have never heard before
Mike there is even more to this story they have not included. For example, Joseph had a smuggled gun with him and was drinking wine that night. He shot into the crowd and he was not wearing his temple garments. By all modern measures, he was not a faithful member of the church.
His actions were not (in my view) self defense. He could not have reasonably expected his shots into the crowd to have protected himself. It merely inflamed an already tense situation. No martyr has ever died while shooting back into a crowd and hurting people. A true martyr loves his enemies, as Jesus commanded. He doesn't hurt them but he leaves them in God's hands and begs God to forgive them, just as Jesus prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do"
There is a lot they didn't mention here, sadly
@@truth.speaker
Joseph had not "smuggled a gun with him." Cyrus Wheelock smuggled it in during his visit in Carthage Jail on the morning of 27 June and asked Joseph to take it.
To look at the events of that day with "modern measures" is nothing more than a fallacy of presentism.
Joseph did not know how many people were on the other side of that door. To return fire is always a valid act of self-defense.
One can love one's enemies while still defending against them. Joseph's decision to defend not only himself, but also his brother and two friends, does not logically take away from the fact that he was martyred.
@@BrandonCole_edohi then why does the church not tell everyone the truth?
_Who was first to fire their weapon?_ Is that being a martyr?
@@BrandonCole_edohi also, I said he had a smuggled gun with him. That statement is 100% accurate. It doesn't matter who smuggled it in because he knew the "shurruf" wouldn't let him have a gun while in jail. Either way he was running with criminals and joining in with breakin' the law.
If he hasn't have opened fire on his enemies perhaps the situation could have turned out differently. Who knows? Even Paul survived being stoned in the Bible
@@BrandonCole_edohi remember when peter cut the ear of the high priest's servant? He was defending Jesus you know. What did Jesus do instead? Didnt He placed the ears back, healed it, and said "those who live by the sword shall die by the sword"? Your argument isnt valid.
could you do a video on the book no man knows my history by Fawn Brody perhaps you could share your thoughts on it
Which errors should we highlight? My 2 favorite- Fawn has an entire chapter of supposed illegitimate children of Joseph- even with photos!- yet modern DNA tests show they were not Josephs! The other is her claim that economic tensions arose when the Warsaw dock and bay started filling up with sediment and shipping was stalled. Laughable. She had so much else wrong that Hugh Nibley had to write a book called No mam, that is not history.
@@brianstutzman5037 Joseph Smith practiced polygamy and threated his wife with hell if she didn't agree to it. It's in D&C. I used to be Mormon, I since joined the "Church of Hariots."
I was hoping you were actually going to talk about the specific person who fired the fatal shot into Joseph. That would be an interesting discussion, even if it was just speculation. But there probably isn't much information out there. A follow-up video though on the known fates of members of the mob would be interesting as well.
This was helpful, but you don't really address the reasons for doubt that rise from the disconnections between eye witness testimonies and the forensics. Many researchers have shown quite conclusively that Taylor's and Willard's testimonies are not consistent with the forensics. @7:00 Most of these researchers are members of the church. Some have been excommunicated because they had the gall to ask difficult questions.
"Oh Lord my God is there no help for the widow's son"
Joseph's last opportunity to save his life by crying out the Grand Hailing Sign of Distress to the other Freemasons around him. Wasn't a cry to God, but a cry to a local fraternity.
Just on the surface of your claim that makes no sense that it isn’t an appeal to God when it contains the phrase “Oh Lord my God.”
@@boltrooktwo With love and respect, this is widely known as a freemasonic cry. It's worth looking it up, my friend. Lots of love
@@truth.speaker I don’t suspend logic because of what people want to believe without substantial evidence about a fraternity.
@@boltrooktwo I wish I could help you. Do you not know that the temple was almost a perfect copy of the freemason ceremony? Even the handshakes matched. Did the church never explain any of this to you?
Please choose not to remain blind. Please instead research this. Obviously the church is hiding the truth you are owed, my brother
@@boltrooktwo people take the Lord’s name in vain all the time.
Talk about his "last words", the "Oh Lord, my God" thing. I've heard it was an appeal to his fellow Masonic Lodge brothers.
I thought I saw Captain Disillusion in the thumbnail, lol.
Who?
The Mob was supposed to take Joseph and Hyrum outside the jail and execute them. The Mob, Taylor, and Willards didn't know Joseph and Hyrum were armed. Joseph shot at the youngsters that were sent in to get them. Joseph had been quietly preparing charges of adulty and polygamy against Brigham and Heber C Kimball at that time.
Justin Lindsay I agree with you, it makes sense. And the forensics evidence shows that it was definitely an inside job. The mob was unable to see anyone inside unless they were right next to the window, which they were not. And the whole thing was definitely about polygamy. Joseph and Hyrum were 100% against the practice of polygamy while Brigham and other men were already practicing Polygamy secretly for a couple of years.
It must be wonderful to not only be a time traveler, but to know a multitude of men's hearts. Makes you really special doesn't it justinlindsay?
3:17 How, specifically, was plural marriage mischaracterized in the Nauvoo Expositor?
Follow Brian Hale's work
@@brianstutzman5037 A bit less than specific, but I appreciate your time
@@brianstutzman5037 surely this wouldn’t pass as a valid response for a historian. I wouldn’t mind your thoughts and insight into this.
Their was at that time a practice called spiritual wifery which was a counterfeit to plural marriage. I would have to guess that this is what is referred to.
@@andrewdurfee3896 You don’t have to guess. You can read the Nauvoo Expositor.
Hey, that guy is my bishop!
Davy thanks for watching. See you in church Sunday.
How do you know what Joseph said before going out the window . And truth doesn’t fear investigation
The forensics tells another story...
He did marry young girls and some already married women, it would seem to anyone outside looking in that he was using his prophethood and position to become a sleaze. There were sexual relationships with wives other than Emma. So maybe people didn't like him too much. No one talks about his wife emma and children leaving the original church for a reformed church so maybe they also believed the basic truth of his prophethood but that he had led the church astray.His son led a reformed branch and was denying plural marriage from shame probably. Why does the church always mischaracterize (lie) about things in their videos. They show Joseph unarmed trying to hold a door shut and being shot by the mob as they push through, in much the same way they avoid seer stones, don't talk about the obsession with the tithe etc. Anything that would be off-putting to protestant converts I guess.
We have a whole playlist about polygamy. Please feel free to watch those videos :) We address many of your concerns.
@@SaintsUnscripted If someone in your church did this today - sleeping with women under the guise of God - would any amount of explaining away his actions ever suffice?
What if the church exalted him and hid his sin until the internet exposed him? How would you view that lying church? Are they on the side of truth? or lies?
I don't know how to respond with this post without being condescending. So, if you don't want to actually read what historical information about all of these topics is available (for free!) on a myriad of websites, then I'll just leave you and your conflated ideas to have a little "alone time".
@@roughstonerolling oh but I have
@@truth.speaker just go watch their videos with Brian Hales
The most biased take on William Law I've ever heard. I invite you to actually read the single printing of the expositor. It was called the expositor for a reason. Exposing Joseph's secret marriage dealings etc. I invite you to list all the things the expositor got correct, vs what it got incorrect. Interesting and helpful lists. It is available to read for yourself.
3:33 sealings to whom?
What was the verdict for the men who stood trial for the murder?
I did a whole podcast on both Midnight Mormons and Gospel Tagents on that topic..all on youtube
@@brianstutzman5037 Thanks!
What is thenpodcast called?@@brianstutzman5037
I think that it was Al Capone that shot him.
Never mentioned why they wanted him dead.... What did he do that pissed them off so bad? Now that's an interesting study.
tweighttaylor4835. The devil has stirred people up against the prophets for a long time. Being a true prophet is what pissed of Satan.
See the other comments about the motives of the mob. They had various gripes ie destruction of printing press, dislike of mormons taking over, dislike of doctrines of the church, ex mormons with a score to settle, crazy drunk idiots who like trouble, etc, etc
I think this man is very much mischaracterizing the film who killed Joseph Smith? The premise is not that John Taylor and Willard Richards kill Joseph. Go and watch the film for yourself. Also, the people involved in that film are not non-members. Some of them are members, and others were members that were excommunicated by the church because of the judgments of men. I would dare say that they were incorrect judgments. Every single one of them would probably still be a member today if the prideful leadership did not kick them out.
No, you don't need to watch the movie. The whole premise is that John Taylor and Willard Richards have guns in the jail and shot Joseph and Hyrum. Some of the people behind the film are not members of the church because they don't believe Brigham Young is the rightful successor. That's all you need to know about the film. In my opinion many are apostates.
This "inside job" theory is a new one on me!
A friend of mine was telling me just today that he had fallen prey to it for a couple years until he researched it deeper.
It's an old theory. There was a reason Emma called the lds leaders "dogs" and didn't follow them west. I believe this theory is correct. It explains the historical inconsistencies of Joseph Smith's character. I believe Joseph and his brothers were murdered and slandered by their "friends" who took control of the church and changed the doctrines to their likings.
Its full of holes just like the prison cell was before they remodelled it. God wont let the real muderers get off scot free and neither should we. Why do Americans always have to muddy the waters on every famous persons death eg Kennedy, Lennon, etc?
@@justinlindsay8768 Where is the proof Emma believed this theory?
the expositor's calls for violence remind me of the "woke liberation" movements goin on today.
@@joeoleary9010 I will fact check your claim. Since I've heard MANY lies from anti-Mormons, I'm doubting you.
I believe JosephSmith was a true prophet and the Church is true, but I don’t think this video settles it. I agree with the folks who made the recent inside job video being addressed here that we need some forensics experts to analyze what happened in there, not a historian. Whatever they find won’t change my testimony, as I know the Church is true and Russell M Nelson is a prophet, but I’m open to the possibility that we members won’t like the conclusion.
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That's funny....
Repent and realize that only thru Jesus Christ We can reach out Father in heaven.
Tho should not worship false gods and false prophets like this john you are damning your self for.
I still can't believe people today believe in that nonsense
So history lies but forensics can’t be falsely reported on? What?? No. There is plenty of evidence from this historian. Put this up in a court of law and it would put these “forensics” to shame. The members of the Church are getting fed lie after lie because Satan is desperate to grab a hold of all who pay heed to these things.
Not sure how a forensic expert could examine all the little important details of a murder back in 1844. They can draw some conclusions but there will always be many questions that can't be answered.
He was shot while in jail
Yep, that's why we talked about having a firefight in the jail but he wasn't killed till he was on the ground and probably would have lived
How about that beam of light over Joseph after the firing squad? Was there multiple accounts of this?
Yes there are 2. I have one of them in my book
What?
@SaintsUnscripted, can you do a video on this?
I had never heard of the firing squad…why was that left out of the church version!
Easy, they have 30 minutes to tell a multi-day event. Can not put every single thing in every movie
@@brianstutzman5037 I am a believer. But manner of death is quite a critical detail. I'm just surprised is all. Certainly makes his murder even more sinister.
You missed the part where he had the gun
No they didn’t. Go back to 5:04. They talk about the fire fight
So?
@@DragonZlayerx12 it does not go into the details ( full truth- full understanding, informed,not uninformed, ,to make a decision, go to the details, do some research , just church propaganda
@@orclittleboss, it's SO, to the lives inside the room, justify his endangering escalating to the gun fight, he used Hyrum as a human shield, putrid, and you say SO, I got your no.
My word. I had 8 minutes to tell a multi day event. On my book I have the photos of the 2 guns. If this is your hang up that i did not cover everything you think i should cover, in 8 minutes, i think you night have other things to gugure out.
Midnight Mormons channel spread a lot of misinformation. Go watch their latest video about surfer Jesus on their channel. It is about the actor that plays Jesus in the Book of Mormon videos
Joseph led so many people astray. It’s very sad. All of his works have been thoroughly debunked but it seems some prefer to follow Joseph than embrace the Lord.
ah, no, just the opposite. Joseph has led so many to the Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is a Mormon and wants everyone to be one.
@@brianstutzman5037I respectfully disagree with the premise Christ was a Mormon. If anything, he was a devout Jew.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 And that's also who Jesus Christ prays to. He prays to Father in Heaven.
Paul also prayed to God the Father in the name of Jesus just as Latter-day saints do. (Eph 3:14).
28. Then cried Jesus in the Temple as he taught, saying. Ye both know me and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
29. But I know him: for i am from him, and he hath sent me. John 7:28-29
Physically They are two separate beings. Spiritually their wills are the same.
32 "Whosoever, therefore shall confess me before men, him will I CONFESS also BEFORE MY FATHER which is in Heaven
33. '"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also DENY before my FATHER which is in Heaven. Matthew 10:32-33
Christ works with another individual other than just himself... There's another person involved.
Undeniable proof the Father is separate physically from the Son.
25.And when you stand praying, forgive. If ye have ought against any: that your Father also that is IN HEAVEN MAY FORGIVE YOU of your tresspass.
26. But if ye do not forgive,NEITHER WILL YOUR FATHER which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
And we have John 20:17 which reveals who Jesus Christ serves. For Jesus serves the will of Elohim his Father in heaven.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 So why did Jesus teach his disciples to begin their prayer, "Our Father who art in heaven"?
@@mikkifrompreston4396 Then the Bible Only Believing Christians are praying incorrectly. Because they are praying to Christ and not to the Father in the name of Christ and are not following the same pattern the Lord himself and Paul followed to pray to his Father who is in Heaven. The Lord set the example himself of who to address in his prayers.
For Jesus taught in his teachings that its God the father who must receive the glory. What the Saints have said about Christ being their spiritual brother is correct because Christ is the morning star of David.And Lucifer is the morning star that fell from heaven because he rebelled against God the Father. The Bible teaches that There is more than one morning star The Bible also teaches that God the Father is the Father of all our spirits. That is why we teach that one third of God's children rebelled against him to follow Lucifer and were cast out of their place.