This Needs to STOP With Nintendo Switch 2...
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- Опубліковано 13 січ 2024
- Seeing a lot of crying and complaining about the Nintendo Switch 2 before Nintendo has even announced the system and it needs to stop.
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At the end of the day, I'm buying it for 1st party games and exclusives. 60fps in most games would be cool, though.
30 fps is playable too
i feel like people forget that
@@ClareHehe *In most games* not all.
@@ClareHehe some maybe, but I really don’t want to play the next mainline Zelda game at 30fps. Plus it’s probably not coming out until like, 2028-2030, are we really gonna have to play at 30fps 2030, come on.
Problem is the deck can't do that in many aaa games, the rog ally can but only at 30 watts and sometimes can't hit 60fps in some games.
I love my ally. Hogwarts on that thing is amazing. My new handheld. @@oo--7714
I don't think Nintendo is as far behind as people think. Sony and Microsoft are already nestled into the "diminishing returns" phase of gaming. Nintendo will have a fairly easy time staying in the race.
If it has DLSS… I’m expecting 1080/60fps or 1440/30fps on nearly every game
I don’t think that’s unreasonable
It is.
It is lol, you know even the ally can't run 1080p 60fps in lots of titles.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Expecting 2k resolution is mega delusional.
@@oo--7714 Not only that, the specs are also dependant on what the devs try to do.
@@oo--7714 the Rog Ally doesn't have DLSS genius, you're a total noob. The Steam deck and Rog Ally will pale in comparsion to Switch 2, people will see those handhelds as what they are: last gen tech.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that a majority of these people talking don’t know how technology works and how gaming experiences can evolve beyond relying on pure hardware power alone.
Switch 2 specs were leaked in the Nvidia hack almost 2 years ago on March 1st 2022, 1536 cuda cores, and the DLSS test found inside of NVN2 has the GPU clocks of 660MHz, 1125MHz and 1380MHz... Is it unrealistic to expect 3.5TFLOPs docked? nah the Odin 2 is giving that to you in a portable handheld in the SDG2 SoC, and that is a $300 device. Switch 2 is going to fit just fine into this next generation, above the Series S when docked, above the Steam Deck or last gen consoles when portable, with 2TFLOPs (1536 cuda cores at 660MHz).
This although I'm probably one of those people wanting as much power as possible but not for 4k, I don't want them to make the same mistakes as thy made with the switch. It launched too soon with a weak tegra x1 and as a result some games launching soon just aren't coming to the switch because it cant handle them and some recent games run like crap, ark is a perfect example of this. The switch 2 was never going to match a ps5 due to power and thermal constrains but I think its important Nintendo doesn't cheap out too much where it counts, having a powerful Morden soc, DLSS support and 12gb ram will go a long way to having third party support throughout the consoles life well into 2030 and beyond. Plus if they don't need all the power of the soc for a game, well that's more battery life which is always a win.
series s isn't a parameter. Just say the switch 2 will be 3x more powerful than a ps4.
@@renatoramos8834 PS4 is harder to place because it's architecture is from 2011, it has 1.843TFLOPs, but it's so old and unable to do basic GPU features from the last 10 years, it doesn't do tiled based rendering, no VRS, no mesh shaders (PS5 doesn't have this feature either), no ray tracing, only spacial upscaling... XBSS is more than twice as powerful over the PS4 and has all of those features, if you say that the Series S is 3x as powerful, I'd say Drake/Switch 2 is similar in performance, but has some advantages like more RAM and DLSS that push it even higher.
To be fair, we don't know if those are the Switch 2 specs, they could be, but in three years of development a lot can change.
@@lucashen9686 the chip has not changed, it was finalized before September 5th 2022 and has showed up publically since then. These are the Switch 2 specs, only things really not completely known is cpu clocks, storage and ram.
It's really exciting to see what Nintendo and other developers will have on offer for the next Nintendo system, whatever they put out. New hardware is always really exciting.
The PS4 sold more than the competition because it had no competition during that generation.
The Wii U had the worst marketing campaign Nintendo has ever produced and the XBox One was suffering from DRM and mandatory Kinect raising its price and turning the device into a multipurpose living room accessory that would charge for every person passing by. The PS4 was the champion DESPITE its investment in raw power, not because of it, and it only won the console wars for that generation because the other two decided to shoot themselves on their feet for no reason other than executive stupidity.
For the Switch 2 to win the next gen console wars (which has become blurred thanks to the Switch's strange release date) it doesn't need raw power, but rather an architecture that allows developers to use programing wizardry to port their titles over with ease. The easier it is to port, the more games the console will have, and it's that immense library that will dictate its success.
Point in case, the Nintendo Switch!
They also need hardware that is competent in power as well. I think Nintendo might make better choices this time around.
@@ZackSNetwork True, but that's mostly going to be related to new architecture. The Switch's chip, Pascal, was already outdated by the time they released the console, but this time around we're talking about something that can use DLSS 3.0 at the very least.
That means we'll probably be seeing something much more power efficient, which will allow the Switch 2 to use its hardware better and draw more power for less battery drainage.
Aside from that, I expect more RAM to be used, since that's what the Switch is mainly lacking.
so true so true.. but games like Xenoblade Chronicles 3 were GREAT games but had no aliasing and res bad.. (violet,etc+)
imagine having not 1 TF with okay cpu... but next gen okay cpu + 3-5 TF .... that would put it more on PAR for this next gen XSX/ps5 and make it COMPETE with Series S( XSS still > gpu,cpu)... and as a "handheld" for bit cheaper than Asus rog ally (powerful almost = XSS, some ways better, some ways less power) this new switch 2 handheld could do WONDERS ... if it's enough of a change.. AND
AND THEY BETTER DO BACKWARD COMPAT... WE YELLED AT XSX BACKWARD. IT HAS 900+ ALMOST 1,000 (XBOX OG + XBOX 360 GAMES) + full xbox 1X compat...
and if I buy a XBOX 1 NOW.. I can just login account and CONTINUE PLAY.. or on my phone.. or on my Samsung tv .... or on any pc with login.......
THEY BETTER NOT MAKE MY OLD SWITCH GAME I JUST GOT USELESS.. ANDD TAKE AWAY OLED.. with low power too.. that would be switch 1st year all over again.. or first 6 months.. sales were not..... like rest of switch sales ( backwards compat was non-existent I told EVERYONE BUY SWITCH!! buy switch!!!!) .. I was in a game developer sessions at NYC film academy.. I TOLD EVERYONE... and then first 6 months NO GAMES.. cuz no backwards.. I was almost shamed.. I bought 2.. I said.... guys... it will KILLL soon... what happened :D
However, imagine at those TF and decent CPU we don't NEED 120 fps all time, we can HAVE IT.. we want MORE POWER... to make games NOT LOOK LIKE PS1 games resolution.
@@slavche What no games on Switch in the first 6 months? That's some shameless revisionist history right there.
And what games have PS1 resolution? Just a bunch of drivel.
Well the PS4 lost to the Switch, so the rule that power never wins still stands.
No one with common sense is expecting the Switch successor to match a PS5 while docked. People with common sense expect it to be close to Xbox Series S while docked and much more powerful than base PS4 while portable. Especially in the CPU and storage area.
I thot common sense told me that it wouldn't even be as powerful as the PS4 but then again idk what all the specs are for everything and I definitely don't know the Nvidia specs.
If comon sense was really common, we would be talking about this.
Common sense is the least common of the senses
@@shadeaquaticbreeder2914No you just clearly don’t know a damn thing about technology.
@@alexanderflores7422What an obvious and pointless comment. If people say things that are blatantly dumb why even bother given it energy. There are still people that think the Wii U and Switch are weaker than the Xbox 360 and PS3.
@@ZackSNetwork I did not know the wii-u was stronger than the 360 & PS3 lol. So are the newer consoles overpowered? Why does it seem like the switch is 20+ years old in terms of tech when idk of a single PS4 game the switch can run and when every game brought over seems to be the worst edition.
Honestly I hope the switch 2 will be an upgraded handheld but I hope the dock is also upgraded to the point where it boosts the switch 2’s performance instead of it just being a plastic hdmi connection and charge port.
Well the switch is, for all intents and purposes, a handheld system, which means that the bulk of its cost would be poured into the tablet itself. Considering that we're talking about a 400 dollar device, I highly doubt that the dock would be any different. If the dock did increase the tablet's performance, it would be a really expensive console.
@elconquistador9667 what if they sold a separate power dock like they did before (the upgrades "packs" they had before)
@@elconquistador9667 It shouldn't be that expensive, it should be the same price as the PS5/Xbox Series X.
At the end of the day, you have to rememebr the Switch 2 or whatever it's gonna be called will likely be marketed as a Hybrid Console, (Portable Console unit, and Dock), if it's in the Ballpark of PS4 in terms of Power I think that's impressive to say the least, and also the big selling point of a Gaming System is the Games and Marketing if the games aren't good or enjoyable, then hardware aspect isn't going to matter a whole lot.
Exactly that. I remember all the people claiming that the Switch was DoA, then it went to become one of the best selling gaming consoles ever, and what helped was a regular stream of games since it released and especially in the first year.
This BS needs to stop. The switch is A LOT more powerful than the ps360, the switch 2 will be A LOT more powerful than a ps4.
@@renatoramos8834raw power? Probably not a lot more powerful. Steamdeck is less powerful on paper than a PS4. But actual performance? Most likely much better because it’s newer architecture and has many more features.
@@raskolnikov6443 The switch is a lot more powerful than the ps3, the switch 2 will be a lot more powerful than a ps4.
The noobs are also forgetting DLSS. With DLSS, it will deliver much better results than other handhelds like SteamDeck and Rog Ally, and as a home console, it will be comparable to Series S at the absolute least.
If it can at least garner a locked 60 fps for most of their games, it will be more than acceptable.
There's no such thing as an x fps console. Developers choose it on a game by game case.
@@renatoramos8834 What do you mean by that?
@@HelloSayEm6developers make that decision. They decide if graphical fidelity or framerate is important to them.
Oh ok, I initially thought that the performance of games were somewhat dependent on the power of the systems.
@@HelloSayEm6 An artist won't make a 2 square meter painting on a 1 square meter canvas. Developers know what the system can do and plan their games acordingly. If they need 60fps (like most fighting and racing games do), they make sure they get that by not blowing the graphics out of the water..
An evil part of me wants the switch 2 not to happen this year just to see the internet meltdown and nintendo youtubers/"leakers" scramble to why they were talking nonsense
In my experience Nintendo rarely if ever talks about the specs of their systems.
True, but this is the first console under new leadership
@@jarde1989 And?
@@NuiYabuko jarde is right, things do change and Nintendo very well could put a bigger emphasis on the specs. If it has DLSS, a lot of explaining will be needed, I already see a lot of noobs that simply don't get what DLSS is, it will be interesting to see how Nintendo would handle that.
I would love to see what nintendo could do with ps4 level power tbh. Its small form factor so its a different beast altogether. Do people think they are gonna get ps5 level power in small form factor for 400 bucks? Its a handheld that can hook up to a tv for a broad audience. It is not some enthusiast level 1000 dollar beast handheld. If switch 2 is just another switch with ps4 power I would be happy enough but I do think it will be more than that as they will have modern architecture so likely more like ps4 pro level. I think its gonna be great.
Well said! Getting fed up all the videos every week and guess work now. Looking forward to new Nintendo exclusives and playing indies on the go which is where my Nintendo Switch time goes.
I feel like most people buy Nintendo Switch for the exclusives and versatility so as long as they meet those expectations 🙂
i will wait and see. Power is important, but battery life is way more important for handheld. 4~5 hours playing time on single charge is the at average
Yes! I hate it when people compare the Switch to PS5 and Xbox Series X and say "The Switch isn't as powerful" Ha! Duh. Like OJ said they are like 20 times bigger, not to mention newer technology. It's like comparing a JBL Flip 4 to a JBL Boombox 3. Size IS a factor.
Youd think people would have lerned by now not to underestimate Nintendo.
Well said OJ. Another point I wanted to make is that I’m honestly so sick of people talking about the next generation console who have nothing to add. They either talk crap about Nintendo, or spread rumors like they’re fact. I understand that people are excited as I am however, some people need to think critically and adjust their expectations accordingly. People are getting angry and frustrated over something that doesn’t even exist (to the public) yet. And it makes no sense. It’s normal to speculate and hypothesize but I think some people take things too far.
Rgt, prime, odyssey, sunbro, nin10dolan, jo, restart. They all have the same contents it's so annoying. They take in any rumor from any source even the obviously absurd ones. Worse thing is they keep talking as if they are established facts and put their clickbait titles.
Just like during the NX, there were rumours after rumours, many contradicting each others, but people would get angry over the newest rumour in comment sections seemingly every day. Just bizarre.
@NuiYabuko we're not angry. We're annoyed. Especially with those clickbait titles saying "confirmed?", "latest news?", "new update?". These rumors are actually not helping nintendo. 1 video every once in a while is good and and entertaining. But multiple videos in one day with clickbait title is just milking and harmful to the company.
@@iljun3089 No, I meant angry at what the NX was according to the rumours. That it was something different each time didn't seem to bother people much.
Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant
People are too focused on superficial nonsense
If
The lore was good
The writing was good
The music was good
The vibes were good
The messages were good
The character designs were good
That’s all you really need
Frame rate ain’t superficial buddy
That's more like all you need.
I don't get the obsession over raw power. The Switch's specs are indeed pretty outdated, but that hasn't prevented the system form delivering massive hits far beyond the often over-produced and ultimately boring PS5 or Xbox titles. I'm talking as someone who's mainly a PC gamer who happens to have fell in love with the Switch and hasn't found a single game to justify a PS or Xbox console purchase aside from maybe Bloodborne (where's my PC port for that????). Could it be stronger? Certainly, and I've held back certain purchases due to the lower performance, but Nintendo also hinges a lot on innovation and affordability, rather than raw specs which is a selling point for a lot of people. What I'd like to see from the new system is beefier specs without the massive price tag we see from the PC handheld market, out of which I frankly think the Steam Deck is the better product overall, despite it's relative lack of power. If they can implement stuff like DLSS properly, the system won't need to be a powerhouse to perform well. It does exactly that for mid and low-end PCs, and it's a wonderful tool to render gaming accessible at a low cost.
Its the American mentality because you barely hear it elsewhere which begs the question, can Sony and Microsoft make their systems more world wide appeal because its lacking in that department. People need to realize America is not the world
There’s never a reason to go over 60 fps, there’s never a reason to go over 4k. If the system can reach both, it will become timeless. The ps4 can do basically anything, the vast majority of ps5 “exclusives” get ported to it. Switch 2 is rumored to be slightly above even ps4 pro. Combine that with Nintendo optimization magic, and there will be no limits on how ambitious games can be
I keep telling everyone "DO NOT BELIEVE IN RUMORS" but apparently some people don't listen and try to act like the information is just true. This is what happens when misinformation clouds people's judgement.
When rumors come from multiple places, that’s when we believe them.
This has nothing to do with rumors. This has to do with 12 year old trolls acting like PS4 power in a handheld "isn't enough", which is ridiculous. It's WAY MORE than enough.
Rumors are pretty dang sure to be true my dude. We know what chip it's using, so we know the expected power output. We don't know how much it'll be downclocked or if it has DLSS, but we do know everything else
@@ActionJaxonH "We" know nothing. Until it actually gets released nothing is confirmed. You're also probably talking about the hack, which is not a rumour.
Well, if you do that, you're a noob. A lot of rumours in the gaming space are ture, we see it every day. The Switch 2 having the base power of a PS4 is most likely true since we heard if from a lot of different sources at this point.
What other noobs don't get, is that we will also most likely have DLSS, so it will be able to compete with the new gen. People should think of it more like a PS4 Pro, which is about as powerful as a Series S.
I hope it will sell well😭
What actually needs to stop is HAVING THE ONLINE SERVICES GO DOWN FOR Wii U and 3DS.
😠 I am sick of Nintendo discontinuing stuff we love. I didn’t even want the Wii U eShop down, but guess what that crap happened!
Nintendo Worker: Hey guys let’s discontinue online services for the Wii U and 3D-
*Nintendo Worker Randomly Explodes*
Nintendo each year at the end of March: Long live the Wii U and 3DS of this service
*The Wii U and 3DS Services go Oof*
Insane Nintendo: WE WANT YOU TO FORGET THE WII U AND 3DS MEMORIES EXISTED!
Tails Z: I will never forget my existing lifetime fun I had on the Wii U and 3DS
Another Fan: Wii U why you did had to go there is always a chance for next time!
I'm probably one of those people wanting as much power as possible but not for 4k, I don't want them to make the same mistakes as thy made with the switch. It launched too soon with a weak tegra x1 and as a result some games launching soon just aren't coming to the switch because it cant handle them and some recent games run like crap, ark is a perfect example of this. The switch 2 was never going to match a ps5 due to power and thermal constrains but I think its important Nintendo doesn't cheap out too much where it counts, having a powerful Morden soc, DLSS support and 12gb ram will go a long way to having third party support throughout the consoles life well into 2030 and beyond. Plus if they don't need all the power of the soc for a game, well that's more battery life which is always a win.
You can’t worry about dumb people that want the most powerful graphics for a hybrid system at the expense of melting plastic and non-existent battery life.
A modest 1080p to 2K system that can run majority of games at 60fps is much more reasonable, feasible and appropriate. If we can upscale to 4K then fabulous but please, it shouldn’t be expected or the norm.
I would prefer better implementation of HDR and performance optimization over resolution.
People are dumb. It's just that. They complained about the switch in the beginning and now they have more than one in the house .
Exactly, they just want to feel the stimulus from drama
Yup. I know a person that said they would never buy a switch and he ended up buying 2 including an OLED.
Many people get bored with the status quo and look forward to the next thing to the point where they start obsessing over it.
Since before the Switch launched?
Nintendo thrives in limitations it allows for more creativity
Sometimes too much freedom means no direction
But within a limitation you can challenge yourself how to be flexible within it like a fun puzzle you experiment with
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP GIVING A DAMN ABOUT GRAPHICS
IF YOU WANT GOOD GRAPHICS WITH REALISTIC TEXTURES GO OUTSIDE AND HUG A TREE
NINTENDO WAS SMART AND REALIZED WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
IS TOO SLOW TO
Nintendo realised long ago that competing in graphics is pointless. No matter how powerful your console is, in a couple of years it is going to be obsolete, and anybody who really cares about graphics is going to buy a PC, because that is where the best graphics are.
Instead, Nintendo focuses on their strengths:
* Nintendo likes hardware gimmicks, because it makes their console stand out. Nobody bought a Wii because it had the prettiest graphics, they bought a Wii because they wanted to play with the motion controls (An idea so good both the “superior” PS3 and Xbox 360 tried to copy it). The same thing is happening with the Switch: people are buying it because they can play their games anywhere, and can move between a handheld and a home console. They like to focus on giving customers something that they cannot get anywhere else.
* When Nintendo did try to compete on power, they didn’t do very well. The N64 and Gamecube were the most powerful consoles of their generations, but were both massively outsold by the “inferior” PS1 and PS2. The Wii was the weakest of its generation, but outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360. This proves Nintendo’s approach to console design clearly has something going for it.
* Performance is expensive. Performance is even more expensive when you are using it in niche applications. If Nintendo wanted to have something as powerful as an Xbox One or PS4, while still being portable, then it would probably cost twice as much. This means that Nintendo would have to charge more for the console (probably not something the market could sustain) and/or eat a hefty loss on each console sold. Instead, by not focusing on performance, Nintendo make a profit on each console, and keep it at a price point where more people can afford it.
* One of Nintendo’s biggest strengths is their first party titles, all of which rely on stylised graphics and strong art-style. It doesn’t matter that the console is not very powerful when Pokémon, Zelda, Mario (and its millions of spin offs), Smash Bros, Metroid and Donkey Kong are incredibly popular and all don’t care about high end graphics. Why make your console more expensive to make and develop for when you don’t even need it?
* The companies that tend to focus on graphics are third party developers, such as EA, Activision, and Rockstar. If the console sells well (like the Switch currently is), then those developers will find a way to bring their games to it or, failing that, make unique games that work best on the hardware.
* By not competing with the other consoles, or PCs, in terms of power, while offering unique gaming experiences, Nintendo has comfortably found a niche as an optional second system. If you have a PC, PS4 or Xbox One you have very little reason to buy one of the others, because they are all basically the same. Nintendo’s consoles offer things that none of the others offer, and thus can easily tempt people with another gaming device into purchasing it.
* Nintendo has also found a strong market in all ages These people don’t care about graphics, so why waste money on giving them something that they don’t want? An families don’t care that the Switch doesn’t have the best looking games, they’re just happy that they can have fun
Ever since the Wii era Nintendo has. Been trying to train us that power doesn’t matter
Whimsy and imagination and creativity and memorable experiences are more important to them
And y’all still aren’t getting it
Move on from Power
it don’t matter
Nintendo doesn’t want it
They think it’s boring
They don’t care
Official quote from iwata: "Even when we were going to launch the Wii system, there were a lot of voice saying 'Nintendo should stop making hardware'," Iwata recalled, talking to Gamasutra.
"The reasoning behind that was Nintendo would not have any chance against Microsoft and Sony. The fact of the matter was: I did not think Nintendo should compete against these companies with the same message and same entertainment options for people.
"We have not changed our strategy," he added. "In other words, we just do not care what kind of 'more beef' console Microsoft and Sony might produce in 2013. Our focus is on how we can make our new console different than [others]."
The switch is faithful to iwata’s legacy
Girl I love you! I agree with all that I read because honey bunny I’m not reading all that. But good points over all. I don’t get why graphics matter so much. The only thing I’d really want is a 1080 screen because I’m mainly a handheld person
Awesome video my man. People really need to think stuff through b4 they spout off nonsense. It takes a lot and is no small fear to make a hybrid system. The Steam Deck team is learning that.
If it's fully backwards compatible I'll buy if not I'll pass. The Nintendo Switch is great.
istg people who want the switch 2 to be as powerful as the ps5 are beyond stupid
*WE DON'T NEED LAST GEN LEVEL OF POWER FOR NINTENDO GAMES*
Thank you PlayerEssence for being the voice of reason
I agree with the part where you say its silly to fight over the specs of something we dont know. I disagree that people cant talk about what it "needs". Nintendo cant rely on first party and expect major success, the most successful consoles are console with great third party support. Keep in mind if it wasnt for third party Capcom the Switch would of released with 2GB of RAM. Second I would recommend not arguing about technology when you dont know yourself. Form factor is not the problem with a handheld device its power and cooling and right now its simply power, its not that it cant be done its a matter of if it makes sense. You could put a 30x or 40x but its battery life would be 30mins to an hour; in the future though when solid state batteries go mainstream we will start to see smaller devices with laptop GPUs. But that isnt the only factor the Switch needs to be portable and affordable and there are things that havent been done before like dual GPUs.
"It's not about the form factor, but it's about the form factor."
Also, it's would HAVE.
@@NuiYabuko "would have" Who cares its a comment on a video most people are going to ignore. Its not about the form factor you can put that much power in that size and get a solid 2 hrs or more for most games people play. AAA titles (at high to med pc specs) would be an 1 or so unless you make a larger handheld and Nintendo isnt going to do that. Playeressence is speaking as if it isnt possible saying form factor is the reason why and it isnt, it is possible, battery life would not be great. Products like the ROG Flow Z13 exist and it could be made into a smaller handhel form factor but battery life would suffer.
It's like they forgot all about what happened with the Switch. Like they got amnesia or something. You fools, Switch was weaker than PS4 and Xbox One and yet outsold them both in record time, has tons of games, no game droughts, highly rated games and games that sell extremely well.
The people complaining about Switch 2 hardware are the same people who said the Switch 1 would fail. Just ignore them. Nintendo isn't Sony and they're not Microsoft and thank God for that.
When it comes to the Switch I don't care about power, already have a Xbox series for power, for switch I expect the great exclusives and the oportunity to play the Best indie games and JRPGs portable, that's what I love about My switch 1 and I Even use more My switch than My Xbox!
Oh wow I never looked into when the PlayStation was release and it’s shocking it came out in 1994 with the power it has
The thing i can guarantee when it comes to rumours is competition benchmarks what this means is a product must beat said benchmark to be able to make sales in the gaming hardware industry its performance and what it can do or how it can be used.
In the case of nintendo switch its core aspect is portability first performance secondary so on the market it will be competing against the 2 year old steamdeck (as of feb) as this is currently the most desired handheld on the market as of this generation.
So the nintendo switch 2 must outperform the steam deck in performance as well as be worth the cost to compete with the steam deck if it fails against a 2 year old product it will be looked upon unfavorably and exclusives can only get you so far.
Let's face it this console is not design to compete with the home console market so the latest playstation or xbox is not its benchmark before people start trying to compare it to them that would be equal to comparing a laptop to a desktop pc and complaining the highest performing laptop cant compete with the highest performing desktop pc.
What i expect from the next nintendo switch is them utilizing the dock more to improve performance as a upgrade we had this with the N64 if i recall correctly with perfect dark that you stuck it in the head of the console perfect dark would have a increase in performance the same logic could theoretically apply to the switch two but in the reverse rather then sticking it in the switch you stick the switch into it.
Thus keeping the handheld market and having a label on games that state its compatible with both handheld and docked or just docked satisfying both markets.
The naysayers are either doing the whole console war thing or just hate nintendo in general so don't pay them any mind. Anyone with common sense can tell you the Switch 2 will be much more powerful than the first and it's because of how much better a position Nintendo is in right now. They basically cobbled together the switch with what they could afford after the failure of the Wii U, but now things are different even now the switch still continues to sell well and it means they can take as much time as they need to make the next console. The people who say it won't be simply have'nt been paying attention, we know the nvidia thing is definetly true even amongst all the other rumors. But let's say it does only reach Ps4 level, that'd frankly be awesome all by itself as Nintendo has never needed perfect top of the line graphics to have good games, and despite having all the power of PS5 and Xbox whatever some other companies fail to put in as much effort. So Nintendo's passion for games with ps4 level power for Nintendo switch 2 would still be an amazing combonation.
The only people who care about graphics now are the ones that drank the Kool-Aid that consoles have been selling since the ps3/360 era.
As long as there are no glitches or bugs, who cares if a game has HRD10 with full ray tracing if the game is only 12 hours long.
That is a really one-sided view on things. Some people like games as visual art, and that is totally fine, some people like to play games with amazing graphics that aren't that good in other aspects. I think there is room for both approaches in the gaming space.
Well said, OJ.
You need a certain amount of power to be able to run 3rd party games and for them to look good.
The power of the PS4 in a tiny portable tablet is still crazy. Most PS5 games have PS4 versions anyway lol
What people forget is the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, but the PS2 outsold it because it had a lot of really good exclusives. Power doesn’t mean as much as exclusive.
PS2 destroyed GameCube for many reasons. The power example is just as bad as N64 and PS1.
@@ZackSNetwork My point exactly, power isn't everything.
I’ll take 1080p 60fps, I’ll buy day one. If we can’t get 60fps in action games like Astral Chain or the next mainline Zelda game, then I’ll wait until later in the life cycle.
👍👍👍 it’s not really worth trying to comprehend the incomprehensible. Thanks for this cathartic reasonable viewpoint of the whole thing. I too am in it for the games, at the end of the day. Are they fun, have they got a great art style, do they perform well, that’s what counts. Console power is always tertiary.
I wonder what people expecting from a handheld/ hybrid?
Last I check steam deck is around ps4 level and cost up to $6/700, just say you dont want a hybrid and move on because portable form factor and gonna give you nothing close to ps5
Yeah and I saw people freaking out about a possible $400 console while expecting ps4 level performance. Like gurllrlllllllllll
This didn't help. I am no closer to knowing the power difference between the switch and the newer consoles. And more importantly idk what is possible. Bc just from what I can see laptops are super thin and seem like they are even way more powerful than the PS5 but those are 10× the price. The tech has always been there so I know it's there but the question is price. What is priced to where it would be good enough to play a lot of the games from yesterday but not so expensive it would make the console go over budget. Where does the switch compare to the ps4 and 5 then?
It doesn't need PS5 power to function. I don't know why anyone would want that for a portable console. It just needs to be able to play the first party games. It also can't run like the PS5 or Xbox series X and be portable and expect reasonable batter life. Also it will be at least $100 less than the PS5
This entire discourse was pretty entertaining considering based on the all rumors we’ve heard, the Switch’s successor will be packed with artificial enhancements.
Doesn’t matter if the base hardware is a little more powerful than the PS4/Steam Deck if we have stuff like DLSS and Raytracing to boost the system’s capabilities.
dont think it will be a switch 2 but i still agree what you are saying. im not saying it could be a switch 2 but for me its the community will find out what the switch 2 is in time.
This man is spitting facts I have my pc for my main games and my power house and I have my switch for obviously there tittles as well as 3rd party games I don’t play the switch for it to be a graphic power house it’s a hand held device ! For what it is I love it and what ever kinda of specs the new one has I’m sure will be a sizable upgrade to the original switch 🙌
Nintendo Switch needs to be in 3D I wanna play the games in 3D
Power is mainly important for the system to support multiplatform 3rd party games for most of the system's life span.
If it can run gta 6, that’s plenty.
Many people are self important and feel entitled to the best but don't want to pay for it.
If I want/need hyper-realistic graphics...I'll go outside or watch a movie. More power is nice, but it's not the be-all end-all. Nintendo has great characters/IP and make fun/entertaining games.
considering how good switch games look with how outdated its tech is, i think ps4 level power is plenty enough. even after the fact nintendo games have never been about graphics, but how fun the games are. the ds and gameboy are the highest selling and most popular handhelds ever, even if the sega and sony handhelds had far more power literal decades earlier. nintendo knows how to make a good game more than any other company.
Cutting edge in handhelds is Steam Deck and ROG Ally. To think Nintendo is going to make something significantly better than those is silly. Slightly better, sure.
It can definitely hit ps4 pro levels with an apu. With a 4nm chip it can be as good as a PS4 pro. Especially if the resolution output is locked to 1080p 60fps.
I just want customization with home UI
Nintendo said they are still going to make original switch for another couple years
Heck I own a 4080 and I think a handheld with ps4 graphics is crazy good, especially a Nintendo console. Steam deck is entirely different since pc games are so badly optimized they do need that raw power to run ganes at at least stable 60 fps
I very much agree with you. Nintendo is one of the developers we can trust on making good games while not putting graphics above. I just think for myself that seeing games like Zelda, in like FF16 visual quality would be almost a dream come true. So I was hoping for them to release a console that can compete with PS5/Xbox SX in terms of visuals. But on the other hand, I am looking forward to the next console, no matter what it will be like.
The switch 2 will be 3x more powerful than a ps4.
@@renatoramos8834not realistic on paper. But it will be quite a bit superior with technology like DLSS etc.
While I agree with u OJ I think if Switch 2 really wont meet the PS5 graphical standards then Nintendo should have an "Optional Dock" that we can buy to get the Switch 2 exclusives and 3rd party exclusives to the PS5 level once docked. I think this would be good as 3rd parties are already drifting from the PS4
Just stop.
@@BrainWasherAttendent and you just shut up
even if it WAS ps4 levels graphics, nintendo would know how to ultilize the power the best and get the most out of it. look at games like TLOU2 on ps4, or even a recent game like RE4 on ps4, thats still really impressive graphically looking titles on base ps4. IMHO i say it will be between ps4 and ps4 pro levels of power and probably incorporate ray tracing. either way i support the switch 2, so long as it knows what it is and doesnt confuse consumers like the Wii-U did..
Limitations might mean less 300 hour 500 million dollar games and I’m all for it! 😂😂😂
Look at what the bangers of games the talented developers at Nintendo managed to squeeze out of the Switch's limited hardware for 7 years. Can't wait to see what they can do with a more powerful system and DLSS support.
I’m buying it due to Steam Deck OLED never getting Fortnite, COD and many other 3rd party games. Being a father has changed my gaming habits. XPS 17 (2022), Steam Deck OLED, and Nintendo Switch have become my main gaming consoles. I can’t stay in one place due to having young kids and a wife.
Sadly my Xbox Series X rarely gets turned on. Debating on selling it, due to my gaming devices being able to play any game the Xbox has.
I like the video. As just a point to why people might focus on the hardware being better is because Nintendo typically creates a new system and shows off very few new exclusive while at the same time releasing old games you previously owned on older systems that you have to buy again at full price. Now people are tired of that model when it comes to gaming and just want their same games they had on Switch, for example, to carry over to the Switch 2 while Nintendo can focus on building a better more powerful device.
Your comment makes no sense.
I legitimately saw a Twitter post complaining that TotK is only 18 GB compared to FF7's 100 GB. Calling it abhorrent that Nintendo can only make game one fifth of Sony's games.
lol
FF7 as in Final Fantasy? That isn't even made by Sony. People are just ridiculous.
Player if this switch 2 has the power of a ps4 console. I could see this Nintendo switch 2 being priced $400 dollars 💸 no problem. But if this switch 2 has the same power as a ps5 or close to the ps5 or using the modern gaming technology right now. I don't know if this switch 2 is going to be $400 dollars. A more powerful system means a more expensive system. Unless Nintendo can cut ✂️ something from the system to drop the price down.
People are dumb. I have a PS5 for playing current gen games. A Nintendo hybrid console with the power if of a PS4 is insane. I feel like people forgot hiw good some PS4 games look.
Really. Power? Since when is Nintendo about power beyond the Gamecube?
Switch 2 most likely going to have same spec as the steam deck or bit lower but it will out preform becuz of optimization.
Idk if it’s better then the switch oled then I’m good with it
just imagine the switch might go down the path with the wii U
The switch didn't offer much at launch, Zelda breath of the wild and super bomberman r, no wonder why people don't have high expectations for Nintendo switch 2.
The most talked about game from the PS4 launch was Resogun. Acting like having BotW, one of the best reviewed games of all time, as a launch title was nothing is ridiculous. Let's stop acting like all systems launch with these amazing line-ups, because they don't.
Nintendo needs to compete on graphics & performance because they have dominated the game titles, but have been referred to as a joke, solely based on their console specs. If they focused on catching up, they’d go back to their 1990s dominance, when they were the graphics leader & Sega was playing catch up.
The graphics and performance is already there to suit your needs, you're basically wanting them to be on the same level as Sony and Microsoft. A Switch is 5 times more powerful than the PlayStation 3, which is very good for the games we have. Even if they come out with a system just as powerful as current gen, most people don't want to sit around and play games like Grand Theft Auto and Cyberpunk on a small screen.
Even playing Witcher 3 on it is just pathetic, large-scale games like these are not designed to be played on the go. Now if you can hook it up to the TV and achieve the same results and play with a Pro controller, obviously Nintendo would be all you need. However, that's not really supposed to be the point of Nintendo products.
It would be crazy if the next Nintendo system flopped
Switch 2 news needs to stop
! I honestly don’t care anymore if they release it this year or not!
Powerful graphics are not important. art style is much more important. 90% of all PlayStation and Xbox games only choose a realistic style. Nintendo goes more for art style games such as Link's Awakening or Super Mario Bros Wonder Paper Mario Origami King Splatoon 1 2 and 3 Kirby and the Forgotten Land Botw Totk Third party ports such as Dark Souls have many problems. but ports like persona 5 that went for art style has a perfect port
I do agree I'm sick of hyper realisim being the trend, I think 90 % is a bit high but it does happen often enough that I can't say it's a low number either. Honestly if companies would stop trying to be pitch perfect with graphics and focus more on substance they'd get games out quicker, yeah raw power is nice and I'm confident the switch 2 will have that. But it does'nt need to reach the absolute peak of current tech to be a success. the first switch alone proves that. Even with older hardware it's handled some truly stunning games on it both from first party and third party.
Church , preach brother
*I am still working through my Switch backlog, Witcher 3, Hogwarts Legacy, Dying Light, Batman Trilogy, Borderlands 1, 2 & 3, Bayonetta 3, Monster Hunter Rise, Zelda TOTK, Red Dead Redemption, Sea Of Stars, Mario Wonder, etc. so I can wait another year for the Switch 2, no rush for me.*
*I assume the Switch 2 will be like the Switch, powerful than the current Switch but not as powerful as the current gen consoles.*
*But we will get the same high quality first party games from Nintendo and the usual from the devs who realized what they could and could not do with the Switch.*
*CD Projekt Red gave us Witcher 3 so there is no doubt they are working on Cyber Punk 2077 for the Switch 2.*
*We know we are getting Call Of Duty.*
*Blizzard gave us Diablo 3 and worked with Nintendo to give us Ganondorf so no doubt they are binging Diablo IV to the Switch 2.*
RockStar gave us GTA Trilogy, so we can guarantee they are working on bringing GTA4, 5 & 6 for the Switch 2.*
*Dying Light 2 was supposed to come to the Switch cloud but TechLand who has already givne us Call of Juarez & Dying Light, no doubt is busy porting Dying Light 2 for the Switch 2 and just like DL1 we will get all the DLC, etc.*
*Bethesda gave us SkyRim, Blades & Fallout Shelter, so I assume they will bring Fallout 3, 4 & New Vegas.*
We got Metal Gear Master Collection so I know we are getting Metal Gear 4 & 5.*
*We got PayDay2 so PayDay 3 is a no-brainer.*
*We got all the BorderLands so Tiny Tina's Wonderlands should be coming.*
*We should be getting all the Resident Evils that we did not get on the Switch, since we got like 6 RE games.*
*We can pretty much bet that any game that could not run on the Switch that devs also supported with their games we are getting.*
Now this is a man who talks with common sense. The fact that we got older franchise titles on switch makes it very likely that we get the more recent titles on the new console. And we fans will be happy and content about it. We don't want to overpower the competition.
It must be more powerful than the steam deck or it will fail!!!!! Omg shut up.
The console will undoubtedly be ‘behind’ by virtue of power given that it’s for sure a handheld system but Nintendo aren’t competing for anything other than people’s time so they already won. A lot of people on Twitter aren’t even complaining because they care, they just see Nintendo winning awards with mid hardware and see people raving about how good the games are that they just want to hate. I mean if i was a sony fanboy and the switch had a week outselling the ps5 id try and cope with non factors too tbh. but im not, im a grown man with brain cells lol. console wars are dumb and people dont understand technology
Also generations aren’t even real anymore
Anyone can have a dumb opinion.
The question is: should we care?
As you said, the lil o Switch has sold 132M+ units, so… the market will speak for itself. It doesn’t care about these dumb opinions.
The people carrying this conjecture are fanboys scared that the Switch 2 is going to continue to outsell their “console of choice” with a consistent flow of 1P Games and solid 3P support.
What's wrong with being excited and speculating how the new nintendo switch will be ?? It already beating the market place for handled consoles, the switch has been out for about 6 years, and I believe nintendo can leverage from the releases of the steam deck and other hybrid system. The reason people buy the switch is because of the exclusive content and the great nintendo library of retro and new games. They have everything but performance, and if it improves to ps4 or close too ps5 specs that will be amazing. It will open heaven doors to many third party games, the nintendo library will look amazing and if you look into upcoming games like a remastered ocarina of time, metroid prime four, a new smash bros, mario kart and etc, yeah there are going to be alot of people fan boying over the new switch 2. That being said I undestand why it's seems hard to compare a hybrid with a home console, but I believe it's within a realm of possiblity (NOT A PC).
I am surprised Nintendo is going to use the old Nvidia Tegra the switch 2 is going the run like garbage and very bad there going to be all problems with the switch 2 that there charging $400 for something there making cheap with cheap parts and every games not going to able to run in 4K at 60 frames
its funny since people dont remind them selves that Nintendo only cares about gameplay not the graphics
Also i want to add that the Switch 2 will definitely have better performance than the ps4. Its more an Xbox series s when docked if they use the Tegra T239 which is very realistic. And we all know that the xbox ss produce better graphics than the one x even though One x have 40% more raw power.
Thats why these discussions are idiotic.
Switch 2 definitely will need to be powerful enough to run most of the current gen 3rd party games,Nintendo’s software will surly be quality,but Switch 2 will need competent versions of bigger 3rd party games like,Madden,Call of Duty,GTA,Final Fantasy,etc…
They didn't have any of that with the switch and sold over a 100 million 😂
@@BigDayDay903it’s not just about selling,it’s about being a well balanced console,getting back to the days of the SNES,when they not only had awesome first party games,but also most of all the third party devs bringing their best games to the platform.
I don’t see why the Switch 2 can’t equal,or surpass the PS in third party game sells,selling the most systems,first and third party games,now that’s dominating the industry!
@@BigDayDay903You see that attitude is why Nintendo’s sequel consoles always sell far less than their first.
The switch is more of a secondary console and I belive nintendo understand that. They have been a step behind in power since the wii and they struck gold twice and failed with the wii u. So I think the lane nintendo is in should do good for them as long as they don't over charge for the system
1) Switch 2 absolutely WILL NOT "need" to run most current gen 3rd party.
2) Nonetheless, it almost certainly WILL be able to run most 3rd party. Steamdeck runs literally every game thrown at it to date. Switch 2 will be that but ALSO with the benefit of console optimization and possibly DLSS
if Nintendo switch 2 has PlayStation level power, the games would still look sooooooo good.
I thinks Switch 2 will be just like Switch in terms of concepts. It's not will compete directly in terms of graphic. But for sure it's more of mobility and casual gamers with hardcore Nintendo fans and Nintendo first party fan. And having ps4 /Xbox One graphic on mobile actually amazing. Most of third parties current gen games that came out recently still have cross gen graphic . So PS4 graphic is still great especially on handled size.
cheap troll.
hi OJ
Agree with u brother
Only buying for exclusives and emulation. Free game.
Words of wisdom
I agree with your overall points. The only thing I will say to that is Baldur’s Gate 3 is a huge missed opportunity by Nintendo because they have super old hardware. Imagine how well that would be doing on switch right now? This has to be a concern to Nintendo. Sure I care about the 1st party games way more too…but Nintendo has to be thinking Baldur’s Gate 3 is just sitting there and consumers are loving it and they are sitting on the sidelines. They can fix that with a new console. But if they go weak with hardware again, they might miss the next phenomenon game too.
Power doesn't guarantee that games will come to the system.
@@NuiYabuko true. But this game came to PlayStation and Xbox right away. You don’t think it would have came to Nintendo? Would have fit this console so well if they had the power. But yes of course they could still miss out on great exclusives in the future. But there are big games that aren’t exclusives.
@@Ray-dl5mp GTAV could've come to Switch since day one, so again power doesn't guarantee anything.