These videos rock, John. Keep up the amazing work! I bought a manual PM30-MV, converted it, and am up and running - programming & machining - solely from your and Lars' amazing videos. A thousand thank-yous.....
No critique here, glad to see all the different ways to battle thru a part Learned something from all of it, and I think that was your point. Thanks John
John, stock contours is the way to go to contain your toolpath in the last example. However, the contour you picked solves one problem (prevents crashing the clamps) but creates another: if your stock is what you described in your setup (or more), your toolpath now ignores this fact and the first passes will result being much more aggressive (much higher WoC), which in turn might result in chatter (good scenario) or tool failure (bad scenario). You can solve both problems, no clamp crashing & even WoC (i.e. even tool engagement angle) if you sketch 4 small squares that contain the four corners and extend beyond your stock. Then select these under stock contours.
Great job explaining the pitfalls of these 2D Adaptive toolpaths. I wish Fusion would come up with a more descriptive warning. When you changed your helix diameter, did you need to update the tool diameter in your sketch for a looser spiral cut?
Thank you John for solving my problem. Sometimes the way to resolve a problem is just around the corner, but till someone showes you you cant see it ;) This work exacly as you describe in a video on my part that I've send you. Works like a charm ;)
I used two THREAD ops with the 1/2" endmill. One on the inner edge, one on the outer edge. Set "thread pitch" to .050 or .100. Set lead-ins to zero. It spirals right down gradually and works great. Can't do tabs this way but it is definitely fast. Thoughts?
I wonder, can't you ramp down on the sketch line (the 6.15" one), and then clean the face that you want? is that worse than an adaptive?, or does it cause other problems like tool wear or whatnot? I'm no cam expert neither machining, the little cnc I've done was on a FAGOR 8025M (maybe 8050/ or similar, I do remember that faceplate style with the monochrome crt) without any connection to a modern pc. So in one os those between typing in over 9000 commands from CAM vs 1 helical ramp ... Maybe the controller was able to do searial but I'm certain there was no cable for it lying arround.
I'm wondering why not make multiple holes (10 or more) on the entire 6.15" line and then simply ramp down with a 2d contour much faster than the adaptive ?
Gang Drilling is an acceptable method if you are limited to using a drill press, hack saw, hand files and die grinder.... but is not ideal for most professional conventional machining operations. The holes cause what is called an interrupted cut, said interruption in tool pressure typically generates a horrible amount of chatter, wear, and dimensional instability in your part/process. As far as I know what john showed here is pretty much the way to go as far as method... you can go multiple id /od roughing paths with an alternating depth of cut to provide a good escape trough with flood coolant..and get a fine result...but ... if the tool is not supported on both sides in the slot... you get deflection that can also wreck your day. Is a pretty good video... good coverage of basic cutting technique / topics.. all of this holds true for stuff like cutting key ways as well... which is why key ways are best cut on a horizontal with an arbor.... any shape you slot or cut.. if the tool is not supported on all sides... it will deflect.... high pressure flood coolant is your friend here.... which is what the champ John said.
100% agree with you. I have worked with a few people that had very little understanding of what the different G code cyclus did. If they had a problem they would run back to the computer change the program on the computer and try again. The running back and forth between the machine and the computer gets really annoying to look at after a while.
Is there anyone who does similar sort of tutorials or online blogs for FeatureCAM ? I tend to see a lot for Fusion and Inventor HSM but never really FeatureCAM
I would have just spiraled down the whole slot in a continuous move. Using a .5" necked rougher, then come back with the endmill to clean up the walls. Technically just one wall, the slug don't matter. The machines I work on just don't have that capacity to handle that code. You basically used 3 Robodrills for just one slot. What a joke machine. What's the point in a rather decent table size if you can't use it, due to file size limits?
These videos rock, John. Keep up the amazing work! I bought a manual PM30-MV, converted it, and am up and running - programming & machining - solely from your and Lars' amazing videos. A thousand thank-yous.....
No critique here, glad to see all the different ways to battle thru a part
Learned something from all of it, and I think that was your point.
Thanks John
Thanks!
John, stock contours is the way to go to contain your toolpath in the last example.
However, the contour you picked solves one problem (prevents crashing the clamps) but creates another: if your stock is what you described in your setup (or more), your toolpath now ignores this fact and the first passes will result being much more aggressive (much higher WoC), which in turn might result in chatter (good scenario) or tool failure (bad scenario).
You can solve both problems, no clamp crashing & even WoC (i.e. even tool engagement angle) if you sketch 4 small squares that contain the four corners and extend beyond your stock. Then select these under stock contours.
Love your video. Learn a great deal. Question: why couldn’t you reduce the size of the center plug so you can keep the 1/2 end mill?
Great job explaining the pitfalls of these 2D Adaptive toolpaths. I wish Fusion would come up with a more descriptive warning.
When you changed your helix diameter, did you need to update the tool diameter in your sketch for a looser spiral cut?
Thanks! No, no change to the tool diameter
So much good information on this! Thank you!
incredible as always
thanks!
Thank you John for solving my problem. Sometimes the way to resolve a problem is just around the corner, but till someone showes you you cant see it ;) This work exacly as you describe in a video on my part that I've send you. Works like a charm ;)
Great!
As always wonderful video
thanks!
those tabs were epic
Love these vids keep it up.
I used two THREAD ops with the 1/2" endmill. One on the inner edge, one on the outer edge. Set "thread pitch" to .050 or .100. Set lead-ins to zero. It spirals right down gradually and works great. Can't do tabs this way but it is definitely fast. Thoughts?
I wonder, can't you ramp down on the sketch line (the 6.15" one), and then clean the face that you want?
is that worse than an adaptive?, or does it cause other problems like tool wear or whatnot?
I'm no cam expert neither machining, the little cnc I've done was on a FAGOR 8025M (maybe 8050/ or similar, I do remember that faceplate style with the monochrome crt) without any connection to a modern pc.
So in one os those between typing in over 9000 commands from CAM vs 1 helical ramp ...
Maybe the controller was able to do searial but I'm certain there was no cable for it lying arround.
dgo85 he just likes adaptive
You could, but then you'd be slotting
Usually I will use oblique tool path to deal with this kind of island narrow ring groove
Super. Thank you . Petr
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Fixed!
Thank you!!!!!!!!
I'm wondering why not make multiple holes (10 or more) on the entire 6.15" line and then simply ramp down with a 2d contour much faster than the adaptive ?
gang drilling can be a great technique!
Yes. I use it a lot on my knives.
Gang Drilling is an acceptable method if you are limited to using a drill press, hack saw, hand files and die grinder.... but is not ideal for most professional conventional machining operations. The holes cause what is called an interrupted cut, said interruption in tool pressure typically generates a horrible amount of chatter, wear, and dimensional instability in your part/process. As far as I know what john showed here is pretty much the way to go as far as method... you can go multiple id /od roughing paths with an alternating depth of cut to provide a good escape trough with flood coolant..and get a fine result...but ... if the tool is not supported on both sides in the slot... you get deflection that can also wreck your day. Is a pretty good video... good coverage of basic cutting technique / topics..
all of this holds true for stuff like cutting key ways as well... which is why key ways are best cut on a horizontal with an arbor.... any shape you slot or cut.. if the tool is not supported on all sides... it will deflect.... high pressure flood coolant is your friend here.... which is what the champ John said.
Awesome!
I like your video.
Does Fusion not have some mechanism for specifying exclusion zones for clamps etc?
Not yet. It's on the horizon, but it's still a ways down the road.
100% agree with you. I have worked with a few people that had very little understanding of what the different G code cyclus did. If they had a problem they would run back to the computer change the program on the computer and try again.
The running back and forth between the machine and the computer gets really annoying to look at after a while.
Wouldn’t it be a better option for a plasma, laser or waterjet kinda cut?
Sure, but not everyone has one of those - and a CNC mill will almost always have greater precision, surface finish and edge straightness
excellent!
Is there anyone who does similar sort of tutorials or online blogs for FeatureCAM ? I tend to see a lot for Fusion and Inventor HSM but never really FeatureCAM
It’s Thursday ;)
we're launched the Fusion Friday's on Thurs at 7PM EST now ;)
i just started to look at CAM for the first time used CAD for a long time but X_X damn CAM ain't easy
buy the way you can zirkular mill it out.
I would have just spiraled down the whole slot in a continuous move. Using a .5" necked rougher, then come back with the endmill to clean up the walls. Technically just one wall, the slug don't matter.
The machines I work on just don't have that capacity to handle that code. You basically used 3 Robodrills for just one slot. What a joke machine. What's the point in a rather decent table size if you can't use it, due to file size limits?
exactly what I have thought