Ive found that its quite rare to find gun shop employees who actually know much of anything about what they're selling. Its either young guys who dont know schit or old curmudgeons who think their opinions are knowledge.
I have permanent ban from a few local gun stores for speaking up to other customers when the clerk is clearly trying to sell a firearm that is over priced.
Do you make it a habit to tell people how much they can sell their property for? Does this hobby also extend to telling people what their paychecks should be? I figure it’s not my business so I keep out of it
You are right, and you can include the vendors at gun shows, if there are any gun shows worth attending anymore. You would think because of smart phones and the internet, people would do an "on the spot" search for information, before buying anything. I guess people get into a frenzy, when they hear the seller say things like, "better get it now. I got two other people wanting it. She might not be here when you come back."
As to your K98 with 'frosted bore' - fire lap the bore. Soft lead bullets coated with lapping compound = starting with 300 grit and progressing up in grit count and finishing with jewler's rouge for a final polish. I would shoot 10 rounds of each and clean between groups of 10 - the load was just 10 grains of Unique for a rifle cartridge like 8mm. I've done that and recovered accuracy though they do still tend to foul more quickly than a bright bore. (do a youtube search for fire lapping)
Back in the ‘90s I used to buy SKSs for $69 and sell them at gun shows for $110 and don’t you know I would be told how I was ripping off people and they weren’t worth half that! “ you know how many millions of those were made!” I buy and sell stuff for a living, if I pay to much for something I have one person to blame…ME People can price their stuff how they want. If it is priced to high it won’t sell if it sells then it wasn’t priced to high
@@deadhorse1391 Exactly. All these people whining about prices and saying this stuff isn’t worth $x because they missed the early 2000s and can’t be bothered to do anything other than quick search Gunbroker to find anything…
Yea, I bought a Mas 49/56 from a gun store 25 years ago and it had jamming problems right away. I didn't know that the ones converted to 308 were not too reliable. The gun store tried to help me with cleaning it out and checking jamming problems. So at least they tried to help. It cost $350 back then. I still have it, but I don't like to shoot it much.
Old Fellow told me he had an 1873 Trapdoor Springfield. I assumed it was an Infantry model in decent condition from the way he described it. Kept telling me to look it up and learn about it for him as if I didn’t buy it from him he would try and donate it to a local museum. He brings it out and it’s a total piece of shit sporter. Just out of genuine curiosity I ask what he wanted for it and he said he’d like 1200. Said roundabout ten years ago he had paid 1500 for it, and I basically told him it was probably worth more like 300$. Anyway, I wound up with an almost new Ruger Mark III Target Pistol for 250$, so I still made out quite well!
I can't tell you how many times I have had to bite my tongue when overhearing a gun shop or gun section salesman talking to a customer. They apparently feel like they have to provide information or knowledge - even if it's complete BS.
Had a dealer try to sell me a gun with a bent barrel. He put it on the counter and said take a look at it. Walked away then came back. I told I didn’t want it. I said the barrel is bent right in front of other customers. Then I was all set and walked out. Gun shops don’t give a shit about you.
That guy is not looking to sell unless he finds a sucker. Guys will hold on to these for years and slowly lower the price over time until it sells. Best hope his kids and wife hate guns because eventually his entire collection will be sold on gunbroker
Some people ( like myself ) will make an impulse purchase without doing research first , I did that with an under folder AK and have had issues with it ever since , an expensive lesson but I'm determined to get the bugs worked out of it. Moral of the story , do your home work you'll save $$$
I went to cabela's and asked the female clerk if they had any srv2 siberian's in stock , she said no never heard of it and 2 minutes later says we have BCL'S new rifle, I said oh you mean BCL srv2 siberian 😂😂😂😂 she also told me she never cleaned the cosmoline off her sks 😳
These bigger gun stores can be ridiculous. Like there this one big one in my state, the original location is awesome. Good deals and knowledgeable enough staff. But they opened another one in my city and I’ve never had a good experience. From people telling me that a shield is just a shorter mp and it can use Glock mags, they sold my roommate ar10 mags when he went to buy a stripped 15 lower, acting like they cant do a ffl transfer, or selling a Clinton era wasr for 1k and telling the dude looking at it that “this is the standard all aks are held up to” I don’t know, Mabey it’s just shitty big city people that think they’re smart because they paid some place to tell them so
Always buy the gun, not the story. Do some research and expect to make a bad purchase. It is like buying a used car. Go to a few of the better web sites. Be ready to walk away. And have a bore light and be able to look at inards.
Gun stores selling people modern ammo that may be corrosive or overpowered isn't necessarily them trying to take advantage of the customer. Most employees just don't know. Out by me, gun stores don't pay well. You aren't going to get knowledgeable people with low pay.
The firearms industry has always been known for low pay. People are willing to work for low pay just for a chance to work at a gun shop doing something that they enjoy. There is no incentive for the owners to pay more because there is a steady stream of people coming in looking for a job. There are a lot of knowledgeable people who may enjoy working in a gun shop, but ultimately move on to better paying jobs. The majority of shop owners are stand-up folks, but there is certainly no shortage of scammers, especially in the gunshow circuit. It's always best to be an educated and cautious consumer.
@@improvisedsurvival5967 We don’t buy Platonic forms of “Mosin” or “SKS” but if you have one of the Czarevitch’s mini Mosins and an E. German SKS for those prices I will forward payment however you prefer…
@@Steamrunner I got a mosin paid$139 for it. Bought it back in 2009 I wanna say. I would never pay $500 for one. Far better guns can be bought for $500 jmo. Not a collector. I’m a survivalist so it’s just a tool to me. Historic value is really pointless to me.
@@improvisedsurvival5967 LOL, then why buy old guns? If you are a “survivalist” there are *much* better “tools” out there than a 1st Generation smokeless powder design that wasn’t all that great even back in 1891. I mean, I love the Mosin as a collector but no way in hell I’d rely on one for anything more than casual deer hunting with the plethora of better choices out there.
Caveat emptor, as it has always been. I have absolutely no sympathy for people who get “screwed” on guns unless it was through explicitly fraudulent practices. We have the internet, if you want to get into milsurps or old shotguns or whatever then do your homework or get bent over a barrel-as you deserve. Any hobby needs learning first and foremost THEN purchases come based on the research. If you piss away your money because you “didn’t know better”-tough sh!t.
That RTI/James River Armory thing is a fraudulent thing afaik. Refurbished without any qualifiers doesn’t mean external pimpshine with goat shed interior and possibly shot out bore.
You do your research and then the guy sells you a gun that shoots 2 feet to the left at 30 yards. When buying guns online you often get screwed and it has absolutely nothing to do with research is has everything to do with the seller being dishonest. You are probably one of those guys at the gunshow table telling people you know what you have, Sonny.
@ You’d have to be more specific about the shooting two feet to the right at 30 yds. Again, if someone fraudulently misrepresented something, it’s fraud and I am utterly against that. If it’s an old milsurp in cosmoline, probably nothing a bit of drift won’t fix and if not, no way the seller knew anything about that anyway having not shot it. I’m a collector, I’ve never had a table at a show. I treat buying online like throwing the price of the gun on black and willing to loose it, just like I did back in the late 90s buying cheap surplus from the importers. The point is, if you plunk down $1000 for something like a ‘43 Izhevsk m91/30 with absolutely nothing rare about it-I don’t know how you manage to not drown yourself in the shower and I have no sympathy for straight up stupidity.
@@Dominic1962 well I agree with that but you just have to be downright stupid to pay that for a Mosin, and I don't think research is going to fix that kind of stupid. When ordering online you should use a credit card only and be ready to deal with the bank if you have a problem, because in the gun world most sellers online will say you are sht out of luck of the gun doesn't work right. Oh the GunBroker stories I could tell... Buying and selling guns is a dog eat dog world.
The worst practice is people selling guns to other people that jam or do not work without telling them the true issues with the guns.
What about guns with fixed sights that shoot way off the point of aim? Those are the worst.
@@timd729that probably isn't their fault you should be choose different ammo
Ive found that its quite rare to find gun shop employees who actually know much of anything about what they're selling. Its either young guys who dont know schit or old curmudgeons who think their opinions are knowledge.
I love that my local market (switzerland) gets monitored by ppl and good offers get highlighted & bad ones shamed in the forums
I went to a gun show a couple weeks ago. There was no Mosin less than $700. Absolutely ridiculous.
How about the stamped Mak90s for 2k. They think they have a polytech.smh
I have permanent ban from a few local gun stores for speaking up to other customers when the clerk is clearly trying to sell a firearm that is over priced.
It's not your business.
@@franzputsch254homie likes being fleeced 😂
@@franzputsch254it actually is though
@@franzputsch254someone didn’t watch the video or is guilty of taking advantage of people. You’re the problem
Do you make it a habit to tell people how much they can sell their property for? Does this hobby also extend to telling people what their paychecks should be?
I figure it’s not my business so I keep out of it
You are right, and you can include the vendors at gun shows, if there are any gun shows worth attending anymore. You would think because of smart phones and the internet, people would do an "on the spot" search for information, before buying anything. I guess people get into a frenzy, when they hear the seller say things like, "better get it now. I got two other people wanting it. She might not be here when you come back."
All the good stuff is traded among vendors before the show opens. Or sonive been told
As to your K98 with 'frosted bore' - fire lap the bore. Soft lead bullets coated with lapping compound = starting with 300 grit and progressing up in grit count and finishing with jewler's rouge for a final polish. I would shoot 10 rounds of each and clean between groups of 10 - the load was just 10 grains of Unique for a rifle cartridge like 8mm. I've done that and recovered accuracy though they do still tend to foul more quickly than a bright bore. (do a youtube search for fire lapping)
Back in the ‘90s I used to buy SKSs for $69 and sell them at gun shows for $110 and don’t you know I would be told how I was ripping off people and they weren’t worth half that! “ you know how many millions of those were made!”
I buy and sell stuff for a living, if I pay to much for something I have one person to blame…ME
People can price their stuff how they want. If it is priced to high it won’t sell if it sells then it wasn’t priced to high
@@deadhorse1391 Exactly. All these people whining about prices and saying this stuff isn’t worth $x because they missed the early 2000s and can’t be bothered to do anything other than quick search Gunbroker to find anything…
Just because they're behind the counter at a gun shop doesn't mean they know anything about guns.
Yea, I bought a Mas 49/56 from a gun store 25 years ago and it had jamming problems right away. I didn't know that the ones converted to 308 were not too reliable. The gun store tried to help me with cleaning it out and checking jamming problems. So at least they tried to help. It cost $350 back then. I still have it, but I don't like to shoot it much.
The problem is when people start to pay these prices it becomes the new norm. This is why i have a love hate relationship with gunbroker.
Good information 👍
Caveat emptor applies very much so with firearms purchases.
My gander mountain made me pay for a shotgun before i did my 4473 so i would have to pay a restocking fee if i didn't pass
Old Fellow told me he had an 1873 Trapdoor Springfield. I assumed it was an Infantry model in decent condition from the way he described it. Kept telling me to look it up and learn about it for him as if I didn’t buy it from him he would try and donate it to a local museum.
He brings it out and it’s a total piece of shit sporter. Just out of genuine curiosity I ask what he wanted for it and he said he’d like 1200. Said roundabout ten years ago he had paid 1500 for it, and I basically told him it was probably worth more like 300$.
Anyway, I wound up with an almost new Ruger Mark III Target Pistol for 250$, so I still made out quite well!
I can't tell you how many times I have had to bite my tongue when overhearing a gun shop or gun section salesman talking to a customer. They apparently feel like they have to provide information or knowledge - even if it's complete BS.
Had a dealer try to sell me a gun with a bent barrel. He put it on the counter and said take a look at it. Walked away then came back. I told I didn’t want it. I said the barrel is bent right in front of other customers. Then I was all set and walked out. Gun shops don’t give a shit about you.
Wish i could have you as my main gun store guy👍
You should warn people about buying from outdoor flea markets. I've saw people passing what could be stolen guns.
Last gun show i went to some guy had a Norinco mak 90 for $1600
That guy is not looking to sell unless he finds a sucker. Guys will hold on to these for years and slowly lower the price over time until it sells. Best hope his kids and wife hate guns because eventually his entire collection will be sold on gunbroker
@timd729 one of those gun broker cowboys. See something listed at that price with no bids and seeing if he can catch a sucker
I bought one 10 years ago for $750.
Virtually every gun my brother bought at gunshows in Spokane had. problems.
Some people ( like myself ) will make an impulse purchase without doing research first , I did that with an under folder AK and have had issues with it ever since , an expensive lesson but I'm determined to get the bugs worked out of it. Moral of the story , do your home work you'll save $$$
Blind Sniper you bring up some good topics. But miss your older range videos. Have a good weekend ..
Me too. I miss my old home very much.
Saw someone on TheOutdoorTrader trying to sell an 'expert evaluated' Tula SKS for $2,500 or an MP5 lol
I went to cabela's and asked the female clerk if they had any srv2 siberian's in stock , she said no never heard of it and 2 minutes later says we have BCL'S new rifle, I said oh you mean BCL srv2 siberian 😂😂😂😂 she also told me she never cleaned the cosmoline off her sks 😳
These bigger gun stores can be ridiculous. Like there this one big one in my state, the original location is awesome. Good deals and knowledgeable enough staff. But they opened another one in my city and I’ve never had a good experience. From people telling me that a shield is just a shorter mp and it can use Glock mags, they sold my roommate ar10 mags when he went to buy a stripped 15 lower, acting like they cant do a ffl transfer, or selling a Clinton era wasr for 1k and telling the dude looking at it that “this is the standard all aks are held up to”
I don’t know, Mabey it’s just shitty big city people that think they’re smart because they paid some place to tell them so
Two things I wouldn't buy anymore in today's market. Surplus firearms or ammunition.
Why's that?
@jeffkardosjr.3825 😅😅😅😅😅👍
Always buy the gun, not the story. Do some research and expect to make a bad purchase. It is like buying a used car. Go to a few of the better web sites. Be ready to walk away. And have a bore light and be able to look at inards.
Gun stores selling people modern ammo that may be corrosive or overpowered isn't necessarily them trying to take advantage of the customer. Most employees just don't know. Out by me, gun stores don't pay well. You aren't going to get knowledgeable people with low pay.
The firearms industry has always been known for low pay. People are willing to work for low pay just for a chance to work at a gun shop doing something that they enjoy. There is no incentive for the owners to pay more because there is a steady stream of people coming in looking for a job. There are a lot of knowledgeable people who may enjoy working in a gun shop, but ultimately move on to better paying jobs. The majority of shop owners are stand-up folks, but there is certainly no shortage of scammers, especially in the gunshow circuit. It's always best to be an educated and cautious consumer.
Didn't the I.O. Inc AK also have a cast trunnion?
Heyo just watched your norinco 98 video it was very good
Good video, but enough with the inflections.
No lmao
I watch you at 1.5 speed sorry not sorry x
Mosin isn’t worth more than $150 sks $300
The market disagrees with you in 2025. The cheap ship sailed when those relics were being imported in droves.
@@improvisedsurvival5967 We don’t buy Platonic forms of “Mosin” or “SKS” but if you have one of the Czarevitch’s mini Mosins and an E. German SKS for those prices I will forward payment however you prefer…
We don’t collect Platonic Forms homie. Plenty of Mosins variants are worth 10x that and more.
@@Steamrunner I got a mosin paid$139 for it. Bought it back in 2009 I wanna say. I would never pay $500 for one. Far better guns can be bought for $500 jmo. Not a collector. I’m a survivalist so it’s just a tool to me. Historic value is really pointless to me.
@@improvisedsurvival5967 LOL, then why buy old guns? If you are a “survivalist” there are *much* better “tools” out there than a 1st Generation smokeless powder design that wasn’t all that great even back in 1891. I mean, I love the Mosin as a collector but no way in hell I’d rely on one for anything more than casual deer hunting with the plethora of better choices out there.
Caveat emptor, as it has always been.
I have absolutely no sympathy for people who get “screwed” on guns unless it was through explicitly fraudulent practices. We have the internet, if you want to get into milsurps or old shotguns or whatever then do your homework or get bent over a barrel-as you deserve.
Any hobby needs learning first and foremost THEN purchases come based on the research. If you piss away your money because you “didn’t know better”-tough sh!t.
That RTI/James River Armory thing is a fraudulent thing afaik. Refurbished without any qualifiers doesn’t mean external pimpshine with goat shed interior and possibly shot out bore.
You do your research and then the guy sells you a gun that shoots 2 feet to the left at 30 yards. When buying guns online you often get screwed and it has absolutely nothing to do with research is has everything to do with the seller being dishonest. You are probably one of those guys at the gunshow table telling people you know what you have, Sonny.
@ You’d have to be more specific about the shooting two feet to the right at 30 yds. Again, if someone fraudulently misrepresented something, it’s fraud and I am utterly against that. If it’s an old milsurp in cosmoline, probably nothing a bit of drift won’t fix and if not, no way the seller knew anything about that anyway having not shot it.
I’m a collector, I’ve never had a table at a show. I treat buying online like throwing the price of the gun on black and willing to loose it, just like I did back in the late 90s buying cheap surplus from the importers. The point is, if you plunk down $1000 for something like a ‘43 Izhevsk m91/30 with absolutely nothing rare about it-I don’t know how you manage to not drown yourself in the shower and I have no sympathy for straight up stupidity.
@@Dominic1962 well I agree with that but you just have to be downright stupid to pay that for a Mosin, and I don't think research is going to fix that kind of stupid. When ordering online you should use a credit card only and be ready to deal with the bank if you have a problem, because in the gun world most sellers online will say you are sht out of luck of the gun doesn't work right. Oh the GunBroker stories I could tell... Buying and selling guns is a dog eat dog world.