How To Get Nominated for Best Editing
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I take a look at what we can learn about editing from the 2021 Academy Award nominees for Best Editing, and which film deserves to win.
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00:00 - The four types of shot relationships
02:01 - How to create a seamless jump in time
04:31 - How to use graphically similar shots throughout a film
07:45 PART 2 - Which Film Deserves to Win? - Sound of Metal
10:00 - The Trial of The Chicago 7
12:22 - The Father
14:34 - Promising Young Woman
16:31 - Nomadland
19:27 - The Verdict
20:40 The challenge of editing for UA-cam - Фільми й анімація
I'm going to save some people having to look it up because this confused me:
Yorgos Lamprinos: Edited The Father
Yorgos Lanthimos: Directed The Favourite
Too late man.
In greek intonation is lAnthimos and lamprinOs
Classic Yorgos.
And we love them both!
Thanks but it's too late.
When will a documentary ever be nominated (if it's even eligible)? Docs should 100% deserve recognition for its editing. Nomadland is close to a docustyle.
I think Hoop Dreams got nominated for editing back in the 90s even though it is a documentary
@@ashrafffitri6581 That's cool if it did! I think it's going in that direction with documentaries being more popular than ever and Honeyland being nominated in best doc and foreign last year.
Woodstock, edited by Thelma Schoonmaker, was nominated back on its day.
Apollo 11 SHOULD have been nominated.
It probably doesn't happen as much because documentaries don't often get big Oscar campaigns. They may show up in Best Foreign Film because their country submitted it but without support from their studio they don't stand much of a chance of getting nominated at most of the other stuff.
Bohemian Rhapsody's best editing oscar shows us that the acadamy doesn't have a scooby doo about editing.
No kidding. That was one of the worst edited films I've seen. What was the Academy thinking?
@@curiousworld7912 bold of you to assume that they think.
@@ezzong Ha! Probably more naive of me to even ask. :)
Considering that every Academy member can vote anywhere, it's understandable. The shocker to me is that Bohemian Rhapsody also won the Editors Guild. Voted by professional editors!
@@guillermor.tinajero1338 Incredible. I've seen and read entire breakdowns of why the editing in that movie was so bad.
So you’re telling me, editing is just a giant temporal pincer movement?
The Father had some of the most unique editing I’ve seen in years. I know it isn’t the most popular nominee but it honestly deserves to win
You’re one of like 3 dudes I’ve seem who can pull off a mustache successfully. Very nice
I would pick The Father, but all of these would be good winners imo.
Sound of Metal is actually the frontrunner as of today, it won the BAFTA.
I've seen the trial of the chicago seven and promising young woman, and for some reason I have a hard time seeing them getting an oscar. Like I liked them, they're both good films... but no Oscar worthy in my opinion. But those might be issues I have with the directing not being all that distinct rather than the editing itself, as well as more or less justified hangups I have with the writing. I don't know.
I'm intrigued by sound of metal and the Father- the latter especially since all of my grandparents suffered from dementia to various degrees before passing away.
@@maximeteppe7627 Yeah not exceptional at all, just functional.
I cannot believe I'm Thinking of Ending Things didn't get a nom, it's actually ridiculous.
The fact it got zero nominations is ridiculous.
Really? You do realise that's an incredibly inaccessible movie right?
Anyone with Netflix can access it.
@@quirkyjoeAnimated I wasn't referring to that kind of accessibility. I meant that it's a very dense, very challenging film that is probably going to be very difficult to get through for most people
@@jackroche5235 doesn’t mean it couldn’t have been recognized for something like Best Editing
GREAT video, so detailed and informative. My personal pick would be The Father - that whole scene you discussed was so emotional when watching the movie and the editing does a great job of conveying the confusion Anthony is suffering.
Sound of metal and The father are the best in editing in my opinion
Sound Of Metal might even win best Sound Mixing and Sound Editing.
@@osmanyousif7849 Yes I think it is going to win sound this year
@@osmanyousif7849 Well, it does have sound in the title
@@osmanyousif7849 It’s only Best Sound from now on, meaning no Editing/Mixing separation, so it’s pretty much a given. Much guaranteed in Sound win than Film Editing by comparison.
i really hope the father wins. that scene that you talked about really left me speechless.
Of all of these nominees, the Father is where I felt the editing being most alive and part of how consistently shaken I was by the story. But it will probably go to Nomadland or the Sound of Metal.
Truth is, all the nominees are finely edited, but I'm Thinking of Ending Things is the movie that was edited with the most purpose behind it, and it's sad that the Academy didn't even see it, even though it has superb editing, writing, make-up and even cinematography, could've been nominated for a few things but got none. I guess they didn't watch it.
Damn! I never knew alcohol and chicken played important roles in editing lol
changing the host's shirt helps as well
I am not an editor so my oppinion might be amateristic but I loved the editing of The Trial of the Chicago 7 just by the fact that its a heavily dialogue based movie and I think a movie like that would easily bore an audience if it didnt have fantastic editing. Thanks to the reaction shots and jump cuts mentioned in the video the movie never bored me neither emotionaly nor storywise. Thats why I would love to see The Trial of The Chicago 7 win an oscar for best editing.
What a treat! I hope you will make an extended spoiler version for your two favourites at some time.
Question: Was there a movie this year that you think should have received a nomination for Best Editing that didn't?
I'm Thinking of Ending Things!
@@ThomasFlight Ah! It's kind of interesting that movie so completely fell off the awards list.
Sound of Metal won!
these films feel like they're from some other timeline... it's wild how hard i fell out of the loop as a moviegoer because of the pandemic
Same. I have no clue how these movies and their editing are/is because I haven't seen them...
@@eily_b You should. They are all quite good (haven't seen Nomadland yet though)
And the Oscar for best editing goes to: Which Film Should Win the Oscar for Best Editing
Thomas, your videos are just so dang good. You really are one of the best video essayists out there. Thanks for sharing your passion for and insights into filmmaking.
Thanks for presenting us with a continuous conversation about this huge role of editing while constantly changing your shots angle and shirts, this plays good.
Especially when explaining the Father’s loop at 4:38 ;)
33 year veteran editor here. Thank you so much for celebrating the invisible craft of the editor. I’m a big fan of yours and I think this video is great. All I’d add is that quite a lot of the time, for a range of reasons, editors spend a lot of time solving problems and working to represent a creatively democratic vision of the project. Also, editors are paid to be at fault.
Thomas, there's a question I'd like to ask Chloe Zhao about her editing of "Nomadland," and it's based on her screenplay, which can be downloaded. The script ends with the "Searchers" shot of Fern walking out of that house for the last time. The movie ends with one additional shot of the van driving to her next destination. And I've wondered at what point she, as the film editor, felt she needed to add that driving shot. The shadowy house shot certainly FEELS like a "final shot," and both suggest an ongoing, uncertain future. It's a deliberate editing decision, and I'd love to know that rationale.
I've thought about this as well, and I think those choices stem from a few factors. What filmmakers think WILL work often doesn't, and what DOES work sometimes isn't enough. Sometimes more is needed, and in Nomadland's case, Chloe's choice to end with the shot following the van marks a venture onward for Fern--no matter where she goes, the road is ever turning, sights ever present.
Another example that comes to mind is the last shot in Dunkirk, how Lee Smith chose to end on our hero rather than the burning plane. To some, this may seem extremely tacked on with nothing to say at all, when in reality, this choice represents something so profound. With a simple look out the window and the audible swipe to the next page of a newspaper, our hero has moved on to the next chapter in his life, awaiting anything that could come next after the harrowing events at Dunkirk--hence the choice to end here.
@@HarrisonDillingham Many thanks for the thoughtful reply, Harrison.
Thanks for making such a comprehensive analysis *and* keeping it spoiler-free!
This is an awesome survey of editing techniques and really shows people how much power editing has. A lot of people don't realize how much of the story is told this way.
Thanks for this breakdown of each of the nominees for editing it was fantastic! I’d love in the future if you did this for all categories so we can get more of a sense of what to look for when we watch oscar nominated films.
Thank you for doing your best to keep this video spoiler free! It was so nice to watch a video remarking on several movies I haven't seen yet
this is by far one of the best videos i've ever seen that explains the importance of editing. exceptional content!!
That first example of changing context through editing was pure gold!
I'm digging the flow :)
Hey will, love your content, i often re-watch your videos.
Where are you now? Please come back.
they just going to go for most cocaine induced most-cuts-per-minute editing as always, and that's the Trial movie.
I've been a subscriber to this channel for 3+ years now and I have to say. I'm enjoying it more than ever and it's having a positive effect on the way I view films now. It's more fun having the knowledge gleamed from Thomas. Also what a chameleon Jeremy Strong is.
One of your best videos yet! Really great category this year and all the reasons explained so well.
Combined with its sound design, SoM’s editing was verrrry effective for me.
Personally, I loved the structure and flow of The Father. It is so creative and unique, especially in how it coincides with the narrative perfectly. Such a shame that I'm Thinking of Ending Things didn't get ANY recognition, but oh well...
thank u for not spoiling the films, appreciate it mate x
All the movie editing aside, your editing on this video was fantastic. Great work Thomas!
I was waiting for this. Nice video
Usually this category goes to “Most Editing” - hence The Trial of the Chicago 7 will win
This is such an insightful video, man. Thanks for making it.
Thank you for share your love, passion and knowledge about the art of editing! The video is an extraordinary little intensive class of the editing's power as cinematographic tool! Greetings from Argentina!
great video! it's clear you're very knowledgeable on the subject.
Loved the essay!
Fantastic work as usual.
Great video as always Thomas!
either the father and sound of metal for the win for sure
Man thanks for making these contents.
Completely agree - been saying for months that I would give it to Sound of Metal. Spot on.
I guess you're quite happy w the outcome! I was so happy when Sound of Metal won best sound and editing! Even though I think Riz Ahmed could have also won best actor, but I understand that he had very formidable opponents :)
a fantastic analysis! thank you
great video, thank you so much
I learned so much! Thank you :)
I’ve loved the Father movie. It was so emotional and impactful! I loved how you only had 3 different settings throughout the whole film. It’s hard for a film to pull this off without great editing!
I also liked Chicago 7 but it was overall “forgettable” as a film.
I'm a fan of the finessed editing of The Father. It's complex and layed story that truely lives or dies on the edit. I don't think it would be the film it is without Yorgos' talent.
This was a pretty solid year for this category - the editing played a very important role in the success of The Father, Sound of Metal and Chicago 7.
The Father would have been my pick but Sound of Metal was also a very solid choice.
This was amazing!
How does this only have 24k views!? This was amazing!
Would love to see videos like this for nominees of past years.
Would love to see a full video dedicated to Sound of Metal!
There was a lot of good work this year but I was SO surprised The Father didn’t take the win for editing. It’s such a clever, impactful, and purposefully disorienting example of great visual storytelling
Amazing video! In your opinion, what are some other movies that should’ve been nominated for Best Editing this year and last year?
TF's channel makes me feel like a film creation genius.
2:43 that cut make you feel the third person you left and came back just like in real life and the conversation has has been carried without you and you rejoining the table.
This was outstanding
Great great great video. My money's on Sound of Metal, the scenes at the pharmacy and doctor's office especially stand out.
It would be cool if you did a video breakdown like this for the director category.
I agree with Thomas, Nomadland and The Sound of Metal should take the editing Oscar, however I feel like the Academy will award Trial 7 because of the noticeable 'editing' / spectacle it illustrates.
Great video
I was expecting this videoo
Fantastic video, hope you make it every year every Oscar Season 👏
Amazing video, so educational, thanks for this! I’m rooting for Nomadland to win. But my prediction is Promising Young Woman will win.
Anthony's memory loop scene in The Father needs to be taught in film schools
Sound of Metal did get the oscar for best editing!
14:30 hahahah we didn't catch that reference bro, we are not John Ottman (wink wink), thanks for the non-spoiler mode, I haven't seen them all :)
Helping the algorithm
ah I see what you did there.. nice editing!
Truly an amazing video. What's the song that starts playing at 20:17 ?
I think it's interesting when you think about opinions. I think The Trial Of Chicago 7 had the best editing, because of the breakneck speed and no hand holding. It's just cool to see how something you hate about the movie, is something that I adore about it.
Sound Of Metal deserved the win. The editing was super crucial to immerse the audience in the protagonists experience with such a sense of immediacy. The very changes and drastic evolution in the protagonist’s experience had to be in tandem in when we realise these changes.
Great analysis! Yet, I think "The Trial of the Chicago 7" will win since it's looking likely Editing could be its only award of the night.
I used the link you provided but had to pay the full price. Anyway, curiosity doesn't have a streaming option for chromecast, how is that possible? What a disappointment...
The videos on your channel, Thomas
HEAR MY WORDS, "THE FATHER" IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST SNUB THIS YEAR 🤧
NO PLEASEEEEE
do you mean snub? you think its going to be snubbed, or do you mean snob
@@mickbanner oh, thanks for the correction! Yeah, I meant snub.
@@keyblademaster3628 you're kidding, right?
@@PretentiousStuff I hope, M8
Good prediction! Sound of metal won!
And u were right this time.. Sound of Metal did win!
Sound of Metal or The Father. If it ends up going to Trial though I would be disappointed, but not mad I guess.
Trial is my guess for what will win. Kinda seems like the typical type of flashy editing that snags oscar wins.
@@ThomasFlight Yeah, that was my thinking too. It's an above average movie that is good on its own merits, but not very memorable when compared to other releases good or bad. I guess like the Green book, but I like the Green Book a lot less than Trial.
@@ThomasFlight Haven't watched your video yet but I think that's doing that film's editing a disserve to call it that.
I think The Father especially tells its story through editing? Great contender as well
havent seen it yet but im gonna say the father or sound of metal
Damn I need that spoiler shot from sound of metal I’ve already seen it but I forgot 😞
SPOILER:
It shows Ruben sitting outside in the loud city, having taken off his hearing devices and just coming to peace with his inability of hearing. He's smiling and enjoying the quietness.
Dude, how could you even forget about such thing? So terrific ending
They fucked up not nominating Mank but especially I’m Thinking Of Ending Things
Hey dude, I really liked your Bohemian Rhapsody vid, and it got millions of views
You should do a rocketman video and say how its better than Bohemian Rhapsody, i hope it gets millions of views and let some people know that they should watch this magnificent movie
2021 Oscar winner for Editing goes to Sound of Medal-Mikkel Nielsen!
didn't know The Verdict (1982) was nominated too
Welp. You guessed right!
Sound of Metal's editing is miles ahead for me. But I think that's also because the sound design is in another league, and that heavily weighs on everything else
before i even watch this clip is it sound of metal?
The film that should have won for best editing didn't even get nominated: I'm Thinking of Ending Things.
I think that The Father should have won, but Sound of Metal and Nomadland were great too.
Quo Vadis, Aida? should have been nominated. Though it also should have been nominated for Best Actress, Best Director, Best Picture, etc...
Tenet obviously
Aren't the reaction shots in Trial a result of the screenplay and not just the editing?
To keep them is still an editorial decision.
@@skateordie002 I don't think the writer-director would be very happy had the editor removed those!!😅😅
Editing starts in the screenplay! If meaning created by the relationship of two shots (aka through edit) was specified ahead of time instead of built in the edit- it's not any less of a use of "editing" to create that meaning. Also- the editor ultimately decides which takes to use for reactions, and precisely where to place them.