Lyle Mays & Bob Rice at Fullerton College
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- Here is a video of one of the most memorable days of my life.
Jim Linahon introduced me to his friend Lyle Mays shortly before he came to Fullerton College at Catalina Bar and Grill in Los Angeles when Lyle played with the one o'clock Big Band of UNT.
Lyle agreed to spend an afternoon at FC together with Bob Rice, a legend in his own right!
I am a huge fan of Lyle and grieved his death. When I was 17 ( 1971) I was playing drums in a swing band and was playing clubs all over my state. I like many kinds of music and have been playing clubs ever since. In 1978 when the PMG " White Album " came out, it blew me away ( it still does ). It was an epiphany for me. With out even realizing it, when I heard it the 1st time I said, "this is what I've been looking for !!! " The blend of acoustic and electronic sounds. Lyle of course was a master of this. I will forever be a fan of his.
I miss Lyle Mays. The man was a true musical genius and I was blessed to see him play with Metheny 7 times. He stole the show nearly every time...
Seven times, Jim?! I'd be in awe to have seen Lyle & Pat just once. Living in Canada, you'd almost never get the opportunity. You're truly a fortunate man.
You’re absolutely right, Jim, Lyle almost always stole the show. I was blessed to see them 9 times, met Pat twice and met Lyle 3 times. Every time Lyle played, it was like that E.F. Hutton commercial where a person says, “My broker is E.F. Hutton and E.F. Hutton says…” then the whole restaurant goes quiet while everyone listens for what the E.F. Hutton broker said. That was one thing I loved about going to their concerts, both Pat and Lyle were absolutely accessible about 15 minutes after the show ended. Pat more so than Lyle, because Lyle was so shy but in the later years, Lyle came out to say hello more often. They were both happy to discuss music with musicians and students. I saw them in New Haven and New York City, it was harder to say hello in New York because the venue thought they had to protect them more, but still they came out. Both of them were the epitome of humble and kind and happy to teach and shake hands. I miss Lyle, as well. It felt absolutely tragic when he passed but I’m so happy left us one last composition when he absolutely didn’t have to.
@@iammar10 Australia is even further than Canada 😉 Only managed to see Pat last year before lockdown and very shortly after Lyle passed. The young band was really good (our own Linda May Han Oh on bass) but I lament that I had never seen Lyle perform with Pat.
@@cooldebt Well, then I'm sure you and I will forever share in that lament. After hearing and quickly securing a CD of 'Eberhard', I am further awestruck by the magnitude of Lyle's talent, if that was possible. Stratospheric comes to mind. He left us all in wonder. 🎼🎹
One of the things I like best about Pat Metheny is that he is VERY generous in letting bandmates shine, and at times even outshine his amazing talents. It's my understanding that Pat and Lyle maintained their decades long friendship even after Lyle retired from the road, Pat encouraged him but also understood that Lyle was just weary of the touring life - miss their collaborations but looking forward to seeing what these 2 do up in heaven. :)
Lyle Mays and Pat Metheny was a duo that we might never see or hear again, they were masters , forward thinking musicians, yet so humble , I'm being subjective, the First Circle Album completely change my life and the many PMG albums after and before, i was hooked and still hooked , Pat's albums with other musicians, Lyle's Solo albums, wish he had made more, there was so much inside of him, unfortunately we will never hear, so grateful for PMG , not forgetting Steve Rodby who also was an integral part of this band...
I was heartbroken when I heard of Lyle's passing. Thank you, Lyle for the music you have left us.
It's. So. Weird. I'm always a little sad when a great musician dies. I was sad when Jaco died and more recently, when Chick died. But for some reason, Lyle's death seems utterly heartbreaking. I suppose I connected with his playing in an unusually deep way. I met Metheny a couple times but never met Lyle. Still, I just really miss him a lot.
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@@phasespace4700 Same here! I felt as if I lost a member of my family.
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I’ve listened to Eberhard many times since the premier night, and I tear up every time. Completely agree about the heavy and unpredicted impact that Lyle’s passing had on me.
@@bbakermai New Eberhard album out in November: Once Upon A Time (Live in Avignon)
Timeless. Just listening to Lyle articulate the ideas, praises and everything that encompasses the point he's trying to make explains his genius as a musician. It's been a year and I'm still sad from his passing. This kind of stuff is just gold to watch and learn from. Thank you for posting.
Lyle always seemed to be such a gentleman and not showing off what he knew and did for music. Watching this validates my thoughts of him. A truly gifted soul. Loved watching this. Thanks to ever is responsible.
I hope these kids realize they were being given keys to the universe.
Lyle Mays .. what's not to love..he was a 'beast ' jazz pianist ,IMO astonishingly good pianist ,underrated..,did everything else too,..seemed like a great guy.,I met him only once, ...great educator,! great communicator.!.,positive person,Played in rock bands, later jazz ..chamber ,classical influenced....of course his intellectual curiosity brought him to many places.. and he talks about how music can bring you to many places..tech, gear ,performance..,,sad hes gone
Lyle Mays was both a gifted musician and a highly intelligent and articulate individual. RIP
I've always loved Lyle's way of separating harmonies into moving parts, and hearing him talk about it is pure gold!
I wish I could’ve been in that class he is truly one of the greatest, may he rest in Heaven 🤍
What an inestimable loss for humanity, I miss him, a deep wound that does not heal. One of the greatest composer and performer of our times. But I stop talking' 'bout his smart genius; Lyle was a man who knew how to listen you, who answered any question you asked him. Generous ... a great soul. Every day I thank the destiny that let me meet and get to know him. Hi Lyle, you'll be always here with me... as long as l'll live
not only a wonderful and insightful master class, much on theory and concepts... but these guys got a shot of "Eberhard" long before it was finished. How sad he passed so early with a condition that he was aware of. The awful truth of this existence is we all leave out the front door horizontally at some point. Some earlier than others.
When Lyle talked about the G half diminished chord, he was quoting Eberhard! It’s so exciting to see him playing it for a group of college students before it was released. I would have loved to hear more of his work. It’s a shame he passed away so soon, but he left behind so much for us to enjoy. Thank you, Lyle
On Lyle’s website, there’s a recording of him giving a lecture/Masterclass at a University in Wisconsin the day before he performed Eberhard at the Zeltsman Marimba Festival in 2009. About 40 minutes into the recording, he does a demonstration of how he built allowed the textures and sound frequencies build the most magical sound, the best crescendo of the composition. After hearing him do that electronically, I can die now. I don’t need to hear another note in my life. True confession: I like his MIDI demo version of it better than the official recording that was just released. It’s also beautiful, but the part you hear him playing on this video and hearing him build it in the lecture, it is literal heaven.
Stumbling onto this YT again after a couple years brings a tear to my eyes. Gosh but we Lyle Mays admirers miss him so; (if I may speak for us.) I trust those in the audience realize - as time continues by - how fortunate they were that day. And t/y again for this YT. RIP maestro rip ...
Legend RIP
Lyle was a true Master. I miss him so much. I did see the Metheny Group Live and Lyle was mindblowing. Thank you Lyle and Rest in Peace ✨🎶🎹
Wow, hearing Eberhard before it was finished is so special to me. His person was so embodied in his music that when that last recording came out, it felt like he was still alive. I miss him so.
A wonderful discussion with 2 absolute visionaries in music.
If this were abroad the class would definitely be packed!
What a treasure, thanks for this, rest in peace Lyle.
Thank you So very much for posting this video! Lyle was my absolute favorite musician and inspiration for playing music. Many concerts over the years, the true soundtrack of my life. RIP Lyle, we love you.
Wow. The concept of breaking down 7th chords into two sets of parallel intervals is so simple, but a total revelation. That's in my back pocket from now on.
A guitar teacher in college once said, “Chords are not made up of notes. Chords are made from intervals.” A simple C chord can be voiced a LOT of different ways on a piano or in an orchestra. Each one has a slightly, or greatly, different sonic effect. A C major chord voiced ebcg is a very interesting sound because of the intervals 5th m2 5th. That is open and dense at the same time. That’s a much different sound than stacked thirds like cegb.
Think of it as sculpting sound. Put theory in the trunk for a while and play with the aural options. Explore. Hear how it all feels. Then determine which options move you and in which ways. Then unpack and understand them so as to replicate it later in different keys etc. Then add theory back in. We call it playing music for a reason. Play with it.
How precious and careful !!!! Lyle Mays... eternal!!
Thanks SO much for posting this video, Markus, it's a priceless document for us fans of these masters of music, and also helps keep the memory and legacy of Lyle alive.
It would be amazing to have more videos from that day!
Thank you so much for uploading this incredible session. There is so much to be learned here, even tips on how to deepen your enjoyment of music whether you are a musician or not. PMG has had a huge emotional impact on my life and, as a pianist myself, Lyle was the best part of that.
Greatest Lyle!!
Thank you so much for posting this. I still can’t believe that Lyle is no longer with us. He was a wizard with the PMG, especially live.
Mesmerizing. Like all the other commenters, I thank you for this rare opportunity hear Mays talk about music. I know so little about theory but am utterly fascinated listening. There are many musicians I revere, but none more so than Lyle Mays. T/y again.
Fullerton College is where I first studied Music Theory and Composition in 1980 and that included an early version of the Electronic Music Studio mentioned in this video. Though I’d already heard recordings by the Pat Metheny Group I didn’t see them until 1982 in Berkeley after I moved to SF to start my career in Sound Design and Composition for live theater. This video touches on so many significant parts of my creative life I’m a bit awestruck it exists.
My Composition teacher was a cynic who advised the class to take his Hand Written Transcription class because, he opined, the only reliable career in music was writing charts for the working musicians at Disneyland. He didn’t know MIDI was about to change the world.
I’m glad I ignored him even if I seldom managed to pay bills writing music. I only wish I’d been there to ask Lyle Mays a few of the hundreds of questions I’d have had for him. Thank you for this inspiring video.
Sensational. What a gift to have this.
A great insight in to the mindset of Lyle; one can see why he was good at mathmatics. A composer player who shaped and moulded my thoughts in many ways.
I remember sitting 3 rows from the front at a PMG gig, Apollo theatre London uk watching Lyle and Pat intently.
I had a "first circle" Tee shirt on and someone stopped me and offered £35 to buy it off my back; didn't realise I was worth so much at the time 😁
Thanks for everything Lyle 👍
Great use of 42 minutes! Both masters of their craft. Ditto to the many laudatory comments about Lyle. His passing came far too soon. I’ve been fortunate to see dozens of PMG concerts and was simply bedazzled by how they got those sounds. It would have been a very special experience to see him prep his gear ahead of a tour and then recognize one element after another throughout a show. The video cuts short and has some editing blips but better this than none at all. Thanks for posting.
This is gold . Thank you.
God bless you Lyle!
Thanks for this!
I could listen to Lyle and Bob for another few hours and still want more. As it was even a single muffled word or phrase I couldn’t quite make out - especially when Lyle was talking about inter vallic progression or about reharmonizing Stella by Starlight - felt like an unfair misfortune and loss
Thanks for posting
Just priceless! Thank you so much for this video, Mr. Rice! Please upload the rest of the workshop if you have it! Lyle Mays was such a great artist and a teacher as well!
What a pleasure hearing that piece at the end... I believe we're going to hear a complete recording of it sometime soon.
Is it "Eberhard"?
@@gupta76 Yes It is!!
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer I love it! Got it on vinyl, even though I can't play it yet. But got the digital download and it's surprising to me that the part he built up in this Master Class )and a few others I heard him do), it sounds like he did that part with all acoustic instruments and I'm floored. It sounds gorgeous both ways, different and both are magical!!
...and it just won the Grammy for Best Instrumental Composition! So well deserved.
I can recognize your signature's chords, so beautiful.
Thank you so much for uploading this !
I really wish we could see the full class. Thanks for the post. RIP Lyle
Wow, thanks so much for this upload. He led such a private life. Nice to get some peeks into how he thought.
Lyle is getting at the reality of electronic music as just more colors in the paint box. But he lived through the time when the synth was more of an open ended question mark. At the end of the day it was kind of disappointing. But now I'm glad that really it's just an extension of acoustic music.
Arg, c'est juste trop court, on entre à peine dans les sujets, innombrables c'est vrai. Mais quel passionnant partage. Merci infiniment.
I love Lyle 🌞🙏🏻
RIP Lyle
Wow! Wow!! Amazing!!! Thank you for posting!!!
Muchísimas gracias por subir este maravilloso material....👌👌👌
Люблю творчество Лайела Мэйса!!!
Great to hear all this - thanks for posting Markus🙂👍
There was Lyle…and everyone else. LM is the PM group. Imagine being those students. Lucky, ya know, I just started playing progressions like this, proceeds to demolish everything
Super interesting…, thanks for uploading 👍
Awesome!!!
Brilliant
Ended at the best part!
Lyle Mays's estate jusy published his first book of music. Arranged by Pierre Piscitelli.
I agree with the days in the big not even now the more modern retro re fix and remakes of old synthesizers have physical knobs again, because you want to be able to grab a knob personally I like knobs with stops on them, hopefully the new the new rotary servos be programmed to have stops in them through electromagnetism, and then also be just spin around data at the press of a button, the knob then also a button itself and I love the fact that you can push the button down at least be momentary contact push it down hold it and it would be hold contact, as well as the pull up spring-style or pull up snap lock, combination odds are really awesome.
Perhaps, when 'Catalina's Bar & Grill' was still on N Cahuenga Blvd before They relocated to Sunset Blvd & Highland across the street from My Grandparents' Catholic Church parish 'Blessed Sacrament Catholic Church dates back to the 1920s
i like acoustic instruments and escape from technology and electric/ electronic kitchen .....but can believe it's a
necessity that opens rich spaces for curious and creative minds able to take control .
Lyle….😍
Царство небесное гениальному клавишнику истории джаза!!! 🙏🏼
Thank you so much for posting this treasure. Holy Cow! Can you tell us when they did this Master Class?
April 6, 2010
@@davidfleuchaus Thank you so much. I truly appreciate it.
I was fortunate enough to have seen the Pat Metheny Group on tour for that first PMG album, the white one. Maybe around '78 , or so? Gottlieb, Mays, Metheny and Egan. A small club here in Sacramento, maybe 100 people, if that. . The very next year they sold out the Community Center Theater, seating several hundred. It was obvious then that they would be around for a while.
History is write the exact timing but around one or two-year. Northern Illinois University, University of Illinois Champaign-Urbana the first among to get the ARP 2600 and I think it was the Moog 2500, well at least in Northern I definitely had a lot of patch synths.
Now it’s historical
I want to forewarn everyone here at the 28-minute Mark, it may give you pause.
When was this video recorded? Thank you so much for posting this, Markus. Made my day.
As per David Fleuchaus post further back' April 6 2010. Perhaps this should be in the title notes.
It feels so good to see Lyle Mays. Does anyone know when this video was shot?
When was this session/class recorded?
Dio se mi manca...
Is the full video available somewhere? So sad the video cuts at the moment they start talking about Lyle's keyboard setup for The Way Up...
Agreed, Please upload full video🙏 Thank you for posting this though!
14:05 - “…it had a gigantic, big knob.” (pause). Girl laughs; she must know FZ lyrics. I don’t recall where but FZ used “knob” in reference to an appendage. Lyle maintains his cool, having volunteered earlier in this video that he would sneak FZ records into his room when his parents weren’t looking.
14:13 - “You know. Why can’t we go to the days of the big knob?”, asks the guy who worked with FZ for years.
14:17 - Lyle lets the chuckle loose, leans forward and contains himself, ever the consummate professional. Bob seems to realize what’s up, as do other audience members. A fun moment.
"Lyle Mays" by Lyle Mays - Masterpiece
What took him from 'us'?
His family, friends and colleagues are keeping his health condition private but they did say it was a long term disease he'd been fighting during his lifetime. They did express shock at his passing because they (and he) fully expected him to recover. He had plans to continue composing and performing.
Many thanks for this. Anyone knows when it was recorded?
April 6, 2010
Chic may have been the first Prophet5 owner, don't know bout syncklav tho.
I truly believe that people who record lectures such as these should be considering using tight pattern microphones, one or two in the room to a small mixer also with another microphone facing the audience for questions cuz if they're more honorable and your ass mushroom noise, also with a thought to mixing or direct lining outputs of keyboards biking the piano and an output from a laptop or set of computers and other instruments.
Archiving would come a long way very fast.
Thanks for posting. What year was this?
I think it was at the beginnings of 2011 when Lyle, with Bob too, was at the TedXCal.
April 6, 2010
I'm just wondering what year this was recorded.
What is the recording that this piece is taken from (he mentions after playing.)
What's the date of this?
When was this recorded?
When did this class take place?
When was this?
Guys when was this?
Lyle speaks first around 8:40
Who is Max?
Does anyone know what the excerpted piece he is playing at 37:00 is called or if he ever recorded it?
I'm pretty sure it's a composition he wrote for The Zeltsman Marimba Festival. You can here him play another small excerpt of it in a lecture that's posted in the Media section of his website LyleMays dot com. Go to Media, choose Podcasts, scroll down to the Part 1 choice of the Zeltsman Marimba Festival and somewhere between 40 minutes and 45 minutes, you'll hear him talking about it, playing it and building sounds on a piece of it that will simply...BLOW YOUR MIND!!!
You're going to hear more of it soon...
@@dr.guyshkolnik_composer I can hardly wait! Both of the small samples he performed in this master class and the lecture are so beautiful even with the horrible sound quality and levels. What he’s doing in the lecture with the sound “layers”...building in such a way as to make the sound waves themselves play notes that he’s not physically playing himself is incredible! I know guitarists manipulate enharmonics in performance, and pianos to a certain effect at lower volume but when he demonstrated it with the synth layering at a volume where it could actually be enjoyed, I spoke to the computer like a crazy person saying, “Lyle?! What are you doing to my EARS?!!” 😳🔥
Eberhard composed in 2008 I believe and re-recorded/modified in late 2019 and finally brought to completion by his niece, Aubrey Johnson and the wonderful Steve Rodney. Released 8/27. Available here, and on vinyl and CD. Tears for me on each listening.
It's part of a longer piece that became "Eberhard", his tribute to Eberhard Weber.
What was since that I do not like is if you have an acoustic instrument available in a good player you should be hiring them and using them productions and live performances as much as you possibly can, I don't believe that I don't like the fact that you can emulate to A&t 280 all acoustic instruments and trading them from keyboards played by keyboardists.
Do you think about it how many lines can a humorous play fast? The answer is, only two, when playing live, just two lines, covering to emulate an acoustic instruments.
I'm not talking about pop music where a sequencer would playback a series of transcribed emulated instrument voices, that would be no different than playing back tracks that were already performed by live musicians in the studio to be used on the recording and to be used in live performances as an addendum, to the live smaller band.
But I think the start with emulation combined with multitrack playback from the origination standpoint not using live musicians that is the test of the studio musician and I don't believe that should ever be happening.
Any form of music including ads for television or radio.
19:30, 26:00, 32:16
You don't need all that MAC crap.
Lyle died far too soon
Amen
The idea that only acoustic instruments are authentic in the production of "Music" is flawed. Another great musical genius, Jeff Beck played the electric guitar. In another art form, David Hockney is producing magnificent colour sketches using an Ipad.
I personally love orchestral sounds, but I don't try to downplay other sounds.
Too bad he never made album of standards
So heartbroken to have discovered Pat and Lyles music so late in my life and now Lyle has passed. I hope we have a definitive biography on him