Try living in Los Angeles where your psychotic, middle aged, divorced, female neighbor can obtain a 30 day temporary restraining order by only saying YOU threatened her with a gun when you never did. Then- go to court, listed to her make up a shitload lie. Though the judge tossed everything she was never penalizing for making everything up and embarrassing the hell out of me in court.. Shit you not..
In my state, you can record on private property until/unless asked not to by a property admin/owner. That doesn't cover nuance but you can record in Walmart, for example, another patron can tell you to stop, but you don't actually have to unless management asks you to. Other patrons don't have authority to deny recording on premises
There is a difference between private property and private property open to the public. The owner has the right to prohibit photography but signs must be posted stating that.
@@brkbtjunkie And we males have to keep listening to bullshit like "patriarchy" when society is always very lenient to woman to the point they have almost 0 responsibility. I'm getting so tired of it. Why can't w0man just shu up
This began because this woman parked in a handicapped parking space . She was arguing with another elderly lady over being illegally parked, and Moses recorded the interaction. It appears that this woman is related to someone in local law enforcement. She wasn’t ticketed for parking in the handicapped space, and the cops did their best to stall pressing charges
Maybe the woman was actually handicapped. My brother has a handicap parking placard yet doesn't appear physically handicapped. I've seen some people make comments about this. People are kinda stupid in general.
@@ChosenOne41 She would have had to display a plaque or have a license plate indicating that to avoid being ticketed for it. This has happened to me when my plaque has fallen off. I usually just contest it by going in and showing them my plaque.
He backed up from her assault 3 times He's fully within his rights to do what he needs to do to prevent a 4th. He exerted no more force than was necessary.
@@RobGrognerd ~ Definitely. You certainly gain points if you can say your use of force was a "last and only option". "I tried to retreat, your Honor, but the assailant continued her attack regardless."
Which makes it a he said/she said situation. This will typically translated in current day America to the police believing her. For a while in some states, if the situation was ambiguous both people were arrested. But that lead to principle aggressor policies that ignored issues like who initiated the conflict or how it escalated. Instead, it is based on who is taller or judged to be stronger.
@@richdobbs6595 Nope. 5:57 Actors fist raised in an attack posture as the actor advances towards the victim. He said/she said went out the window at that point. Under FL statute, a person can take a swing at you and miss and still be guilty of assault. In fact, an assailant doesn't even have to take a swing...."threat BY WORD or act..." see FL 784.011 below. Simply stating "I'm going to kick your ass" is assault in Florida if 1) the assailant is capable of doing what he/she says and 2) The assailant has clear intent to commit the assault they say they will commit. "784.011Assault.-. (1)An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another" All that is required to qualify that charge is a THREAT, not a successful attempt. ~drSOBX, Attorney at Law
Moses is a HERO for setting an example of how men should be able to defend themselves against raging Karen's committing assault. This is what equality looks like folks. Women get away with too much these days by playing victim when clearly, that's not always the case.
Glad she not only got instant Karma, but is going to have to explain it to a judge. She'll get off lite but more of these entitled people need to be set straight
@@BrooklynBalla That is just further argument to take matters into your own hands. When the government fails to uphold the law, it is the DUTY of the people to do it for them.
@skyrailmaxima Wrong! Not every vehicle on the road has cameras and those equipped with a backup camera do not necessarily record data. Don't be pedantic.
@@dentalnovember All new cars come with backup cameras newer ones with proximity detection and lane assist- which is using cameras. Name a model that this year has 0 cameras new. And as for if they record, its not like you know, and if you don't know you should suspect the worst. Keep pretending that your data is safe and technology will never be used to manipulate and exploit 😆 makes you look super knowledgeable about tech. The only good car is an old car. You can thank the government for that.
@skyrailmaxima Not every new vehicle on the road is a passenger car. Heavy trucks or motorcycles for example are not factory equipped with cameras. Again, you argue semantics. Stop with the pedantic nonsense.
@@dentalnovember Yes, they do. Heavy road semis come with backup and lane indicators. Modern bikes are more grey area, you could probably find a few without electronic stuffing. But my argument was general, you are arguing minutia. Thats what being pedantic is, arguing as if one exception proves a general rule. Your projecting your pedantism onto me for...some reason? Maybe insecurity? Cameras on vehicles are pervasive and toxic. Just like you for defending it
Just to clarify, if a private property owner bans filming and you film, you did not break a law. You broke their rule. The property owner can then ask you to stop and/or tell you to leave the property. But breaking their filming rule doesn't give the property owner (or other patrons) any special power to demand you delete the film or to grab (steal) the camera. If you don't leave, after being told to, then you have broken a law. (I'm not a lawyer. This is not legal advice)
If anyone’s business is too worried about being videotaped than it is about customer safety, that business is probably not worth going back to as a regular customer.
I paid $52k in legal fees to defend myself in court over a nearly identical situation. And, yes, absolutely he would have been charged if he had not filmed this incident. Cops will almost ALWAYS side with the party that is either female or the one who lost the fight. In a male v. female case either 1) run like hell or 2) film it all. Don't kid yourself, cops will side with the female, barring evidence or many witnesses. Actually in any situation that looks like it may go to violence, do your best to get away. $52k or whatever in legal fees is a lot to lose.
@@SmethwickCouncilmanBint That's an interesting comment. Same for me. The instance I mentioned above ($52k in legal fees) was a bully that picked on the wrong person - me. I left him permanently disfigured, 30 stitches to the face. Even though he was a wife beater, cops took his side. Was in Utah too, his religion probably had something to do with the cops charging me.
That new law in Fl about not filming 'first responders' is going to get shut down. IDK why they think that they can still run out stuff like that, which is in clear violation of established laws and settled cases.
It's the same reason police try to stretch the definition of the law when making an arrest. Just the same way people defending against our government are trying to create case law against bad police actions..... The police are also trying to set precedence by making arrests, stretching the definition of the law and hoping it sticks in court. Look up a guy that was interrogated for 17 hours straight where the police accused him of killing his own father that they knew was perfectly alive..... What reason would they have for getting him to confess to a murder that they know never happened..... Unless they were simply treating it like an experiment to see if they could get him to say he did it. By the way they even brought his dog into the room and told him that they're going to have to euthanize his dog since he's not confessing to the murder.
What's left out is the first cop tries to say that the video was edited and they can't be shre what happened and even tries to put the blame on Moses. It took another cop, his supervisor, to finally file charges. It was disgraceful.
I've seen the full length video on multiple channels. I appreciate you covering it here as well. However, I am disappointed that you didn't make a "filming on PUBLIX property" joke. Dude, it was RIGHT... THERE! Joking aside, I wish you briefly covered the fact that the police (especially that first officer) was gaslighting the cameraman, acting like her assault/battery upon him never happened and he was the only one to use physical force. They only moved forward with charges because of the publicity this was getting from his postings to UA-cam.
Don’t open the door even if you did call them. Talk through the door, window, or doorbell camera. I’ve seen too many videos of police harassing, planting fake evidence, or just making stuff up and then arresting a victim who called them
The way you keep from getting hurt is to keep your hands to yourself. Any law that says you don't have the ability to protect yourself is just plain stupid. Protecting people that do stupid crap is why we are in the shape we are in right now.
That Florida law regarding first responders seems like it's repugnant to the 1st amendment. SCOTUS has ruled filming police in the performance of their duties is a constitutionally protected right. I'd love to see that get challenged in court. Too many government employees are scared of cameras nowadays, yet they'll be the same ones telling us "you've got nothing to fear if you've done nothing wrong." Don't work for the public if you expect your work activities to be private.
Florida does whatever they want.A few county’s there have ordinances saying it’s illegal to record government employees without their consent.One of them is Punta Gorda.A federal court even upheld it in “Sheets vs Punta Gorda”.
That law isn’t about recording cops, it’s about maintaining a distance from cops in the performance of their duties. Too many Keisha’s and Keenan’s get within arms reach of cops to record them while they’re conducting an investigation or arrest. It’s a matter of interfering with the cops and officer safety.
_"Should we be filming?"_ Yes, 100% yes, without video it's a he said /she said, without video the Rodney King's beating would have been the word of the police alone. And think broader, without video, a lot of disasters or accidents would become harder to solve or fix.
That woman assaulted him and he reasonably defended himself. Hopefully she learned an important life lesson that most people learn in grade school - don't start nuthin and there won't be nuthing. Thanks for the video on this.
@@Lurch685 Yes it is. You should work on your survival skills. You are currently unable to tell when your life is being threatened. I consider that to be mental defect.
@@danielduncan6806 it’s a schoolyard chant, even said in sing song fashion, like a child. “I’m going to kill you” is a death threat. “You’re going to hell” is a statement of opinion. That you conflate the two is a clear sign of your paranoia, or stupidity.
I disagree. His instincts were right to film that fight because this evil woman is violent. He knew exactly what could happen. The tape would have convicted her if she attacked the good woman.
You can hear her fist make contact when she swings at him. *Thump*. He immediately responded by saying he was hit (granted this only indicates it wasn't something he made up after the fact), and the other lady who witnessed it said he was hit. Based on this I think any reasonable person would assume the fist made contact. I am not a lawyer.
Recording aside, you can’t just walk up and hit someone! A woman hitting a man is as egregious as a man hitting a woman from a legal (and common sense) viewpoint!
Fun fact about Public's in Virginia: Ukrops was a well known grocery chain in Virginia for years. The family who ran it were friends with the people who started Public's. The two had a gentleman's agreement that they would not encroach on each others' spheres of influence. Ukrops sold their stores several years ago to another company. That company didn't stay in the area, so Public's ended up buying up a lot of the former Ukrops locations.
Thank you for a great video and a very thorough explanation. I'm a Florida resident and had something similar happened to me with my ex-wife. During our separation, she assaulted me in the street. Just like in this video, I was backing up to avoid a physical confrontation. And just like in this video, it does not show where she hit me. But the video clearly showed her bawling up her fist and taking a swing at me. Because she did charge at me with an intent to hit me, which was clear on the video, she was arrested on assault domestic violence charges. Deputies did not charge her with battery because the video did not show where her fist landed on me and because there were no marks on me, it was hard for them to determine it despite eyewitness testimony. That UA-camr did exactly everything correctly as you said.
Great to see your thoughts on this video, many good angles to cover. Keep the videos coming, 165,000 subscribers are waiting patiently!! Long term sub from Michigan🙂
A good reminder that “never hit a woman no matter what” is a (contested) social norm, not the actual law. But good video. I definitely agree that this tendency to film every human indiscretion has negative societal effects. I’m glad I came of age before filming people with smartphones became ubiquitous.
I agree. BUT, the issue is that a lot of modern women no longer act like the ladies that that philosophy was intended to protect. This is not some cordial, respectful female. This is a modern woman who walked up and, not acting in any way like a female in the "traditional" sense (when the "men don't hit women, period" idea was created), starting swinging. Sorry, but all bets are off at that point - woman or not.
My neighbors have started harassing us and among filing a series bogus zoning complaints, have pointed multiple cameras and spotlights into every one of our windows on their side of the house and our private hot tub area. What's worse is the cameras are remote controlled so we can see them moving the cameras around zooming into our house daily. We called the police and they came out and said it was "fair view" and "the eye cannot trespass" telling us their filming and audio recording was legal. F this country.
Even after the woman is on the ground, he is still retreating. This proves he is not escalating the incident. The cops made the correct decision to charge her!
Thank you, Andrew, for what you said near the end of your video! I lost my stepson in a car crash a couple of years ago, and my fear of being filmed having an emotional breakdown while in public has pretty much kept me from going in public anymore. I never knew if I was going to see something that reminded me of him and start sobbing uncontrollably for no apparent reason to anyone else. It’s extremely cruel to video other people who are having a hard time and then post it on social media for all the world to see. Most of the time the people filming and watching these videos don’t know what happened to cause the incident that they’re laughing at and making fun of. If they did know, I’d like to hope their reactions wouldn’t be to make jokes about it. Treat people with kindness and compassion because you never know what kind of hell they might be dealing with in private. The fight those two women were having was absolutely none of his business. If he had been concerned for either of their safety, calling 911 would have been a much better option. Instead he just escalated the situation by videoing the incident for his own entertainment. At the very least, he should have stopped recording when asked to then apologize. It makes me wonder if there are any decent people left anymore or are we all just here for social media entertainment.
Florida's law prohibiting filming the police while in the process of doing their duties, is it illegal. Constitutionally anywhere you are in public you can film anything that you can see, and under the color of law you cannot make laws prohibiting constitutional rights. They have already determined that 8 ft is adequate.
People should not have screaming fights in public. If they're having a bad day, take it home and argue there. If you shout things in public, then you're a public problem and have no right to object when the public gets involved. The public has a right to expect safety, and to NOT have their privacy invaded by other people's aggression. Shouting or other violence, in public, is aggression that the public has an obvious need to quell. Filming and shaming people who do it is the least they should expect!
Grabbing at his phone is assault and/or battery depending on jurisdiction, and maybe even attempted robbery since she used physical force to try to take property. That's before she swung her fist. And even just threatening to punch him is assault in most places. She probably thought she could do whatever she wanted short of drawing blood because she's a smaller woman attacking a man. I've seen that attitude many times.
I would say it was assault before that when she tried to grab his phone. In fact, she was approaching him in a threatening manner, and he was backing away, clearly trying to escape, even before she reached him, if he feared physical contact, it would meet the legal definition of assault. I doubt she would be convicted, but she could be charged.
Reasonable commentary from Andrew. The woman attacker got off lucky as getting knocked to the ground with no apparent injuries and being cited/arrested are much better than being severely injured or killed. Keep your ego locked down and walk away is how I live and keep living. The mistake the guy doing the video made was allowing her to get close not knowing if she might have a weapon such as a knife. Distance is key.
I disagree about NOT filming people’s arguments. Prior to cell phones, you only HEARD of altercations and public blow ups and most people didn’t believe it. Society hasn’t become ugly; human behavior has always been ugly and now now people can see first hand how ugly people can be. There are no saints amongst us.
You said recording people in public is a crime depending on the state! That's not true in America our first amendment of the constitutional rights gives us the right to record anyone in public! 💯Facts
Very good epilog. Just because we have a right to film people on their worst day doesn't mean we should as a hobby or an exposé. Rights have responsibilities of good judgement to excercise these rights. Too many rights are abused to anger or escalate...or end up harming people. Use your rights well and they will often remain in place. Abuse your rights often and you will find them curtailed. Things we should have learned at recess.
This technology is a double edged sword. Tricky stuff. I try to mind my own. It just isn't worth it these days. You just never know. Interesting video though
Call me old school, but I love having a landline when he references wiretapping. When something happens as far as on the cellular it's always nice to have a backup. As far as the Karen striking the guy, glad that the guy ante'd up and protected himself.
A similar situation actually happened to me with a female car thief. In this video. The woman verbally threatened "Moses", then tried to steal his phone by force. Moses defends himself and the attacker calls the police. This is a common tactic with thieves and physical aggressors. So if you have to defend yourself call 911 right away.
When you are on or in public property or out or in a publicly visible place where all of the bugs and the birds, mice and rats, cats and dogs, babies and toddlers, tweens and teens, women and men can see you and watch everything you are doing and hear you speak and listen to everything you say; you have no expectation of privacy and therefore no right to privacy.
It's still PRIVATE property. The business has INVITED you there. They can UNINVITE you at anytime, for any reason except race, gender, religion, or disability. PUBLIC ACCESS Property is not PUBLIC property. If you go to the courthouse and look at the deed for the grocery store, I guarantee you some corporation is the owner, not the State. There was only one time I refused to trespass someone at a business. I got dispatched to a Chinese restaurant who want me to make a guy leave "because he was eating too much" at the buffet. I said, "Heck no. The sign says All you can eat, $12.99. You told me he paid his $12,99. I'm outta here. You ain't getting me sued. " Other than some ridiculously stupid reason like that, if the manager says he wants you to leave, he law says you have to leave.
One major problem I see with any law forbidding the recording of a "private" conversation that's happening in a public place is that such a law could be used for entrapment: Someone is filming in public, so you and your buddy get close and start a "private conversation" and then get him into legal trouble because he recorded it. Not only would this kind of law allow such abuse, it just goes against the spirit of the first amendment.
If it’s not marked private property or restricted access and it’s a public easement so as long you can get access I say she had no right to do anything
There's no such thing as an official member of the press, therefore laws that protect the press and their right to investigate , question public officials and to record, do apply to all citizens. If you have an amateur blog, you're the press.
Hopefully Moses doesn’t have any problems from this and that woman catches a charge. The entitlement to attack someone physically then call the cops when they defend their self is just wild.
If you can't hit back someone who is hitting you, society is in a REAL bad way.
Thats NYC
The gov't wants you reliant on them for everything. Autonomy is not part of the plan
@@montezuma6962 Bingo.
Try living in Los Angeles where your psychotic, middle aged, divorced, female neighbor can obtain a 30 day temporary restraining order by only saying YOU threatened her with a gun when you never did.
Then- go to court, listed to her make up a shitload lie.
Though the judge tossed everything she was never penalizing for making everything up and embarrassing the hell out of me in court..
Shit you not..
Massachusetts - Duty to Retreat even if your home is invaded by armed thugs.
Duty to Retreat literally protects criminals.
That look of total surprise on her face when someone actually defended themselves from her bully attack was priceless.
I was going to say the same! The look on her face as she looked up from the ground was priceless.
Same here 😂
Mike Tyson had something to say about people that never got punched in the face…
Bullies will always play the victim.
@@realmarktilford cry bullies
The issue is not whether a person can film on private property. The issue is whether you can punch somebody for filming you. You can't. Period.
In my state, you can record on private property until/unless asked not to by a property admin/owner.
That doesn't cover nuance but you can record in Walmart, for example, another patron can tell you to stop, but you don't actually have to unless management asks you to. Other patrons don't have authority to deny recording on premises
There is a difference between private property and private property open to the public. The owner has the right to prohibit photography but signs must be posted stating that.
Seems really cut and dry to me Mr. Flusche. She literally threatened to punch him, then did punch him. You can hear her fist making contact.
Cut and dry to us, the public, but laws and courts are not designed for us, the public. Not effectively, anyways
@@TheWhiteDragon3It’s cut and dry by the law too. See video.
Add to that the witness that came forward at the end.
She cant charge him for assault anyway. Its only assault if you attack someone and they dont retaliate, otherwise its a fight.
@@VegetaHimself they would both be able to press assault charges against each other. Still assault
Karen got treated equally, and called the cops for it.
And then the cops downplayed it and were very dismissive and rude, but he was assertive enough that they finally charged her with one crime.
@@brkbtjunkie And we males have to keep listening to bullshit like "patriarchy" when society is always very lenient to woman to the point they have almost 0 responsibility. I'm getting so tired of it. Why can't w0man just shu up
Screw equal treatment. The key to conflict is utilizing advantages.
This began because this woman parked in a handicapped parking space . She was arguing with another elderly lady over being illegally parked, and Moses recorded the interaction.
It appears that this woman is related to someone in local law enforcement. She wasn’t ticketed for parking in the handicapped space, and the cops did their best to stall pressing charges
That certainly makes the story more interesting 🤔
Not sure about Florida law, but in my state, a cop cannot ticket on private property without first getting permission from the property owner.
Maybe the woman was actually handicapped. My brother has a handicap parking placard yet doesn't appear physically handicapped. I've seen some people make comments about this. People are kinda stupid in general.
@@ChosenOne41 She would have had to display a plaque or have a license plate indicating that to avoid being ticketed for it. This has happened to me when my plaque has fallen off. I usually just contest it by going in and showing them my plaque.
Makes more sense. LE and their families seems to have an entitlement issue in this country.
He backed up from her assault 3 times
He's fully within his rights to do what he needs to do to prevent a 4th.
He exerted no more force than was necessary.
"He exerted no more force than was necessary." Absolutely. Fortunately for the lady, she assaulted someone who stopped there.
In Florida, you don't have a duty to retreat.
@@justaskin8523 & I agree with that. but it just looks better, showing you are not escalating the situation, but trying to diffuse.
@@RobGrognerd ~ Definitely. You certainly gain points if you can say your use of force was a "last and only option".
"I tried to retreat, your Honor, but the assailant continued her attack regardless."
If you never saw her strike him, you never saw him push her.
EXACTLY RIGHT! Good point.
Which makes it a he said/she said situation. This will typically translated in current day America to the police believing her. For a while in some states, if the situation was ambiguous both people were arrested. But that lead to principle aggressor policies that ignored issues like who initiated the conflict or how it escalated. Instead, it is based on who is taller or judged to be stronger.
The law gets dicey when a vagina gets involved.
True. She might have slipped.
@@richdobbs6595 Nope. 5:57 Actors fist raised in an attack posture as the actor advances towards the victim. He said/she said went out the window at that point. Under FL statute, a person can take a swing at you and miss and still be guilty of assault. In fact, an assailant doesn't even have to take a swing...."threat BY WORD or act..." see FL 784.011 below. Simply stating "I'm going to kick your ass" is assault in Florida if 1) the assailant is capable of doing what he/she says and 2) The assailant has clear intent to commit the assault they say they will commit.
"784.011Assault.-. (1)An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another"
All that is required to qualify that charge is a THREAT, not a successful attempt.
~drSOBX, Attorney at Law
Equal rights and equal lefts.
You took the words out of my mouth! 😆
Just curious, would you punch an eight year old with a full force closed fist if one hit you?
😊🤜🤰
And equal upper cuts.
Moses is a HERO for setting an example of how men should be able to defend themselves against raging Karen's committing assault. This is what equality looks like folks. Women get away with too much these days by playing victim when clearly, that's not always the case.
Equal rights and lefts
Moses is a Keenan who needs to learn to mind his own business.
@@LuckyCharms777or what? you gonna go full Karen too? stfu 🤡🤣😂🤣
@@LuckyCharms777We know who wears the pants in your family lol coward
@@LuckyCharms777 Women of both sexes need to keep their hands to themselves.
Glad she not only got instant Karma, but is going to have to explain it to a judge. She'll get off lite but more of these entitled people need to be set straight
The DA refused charges.
@@BrooklynBalla Soros DA
@@BrooklynBalla That is just further argument to take matters into your own hands. When the government fails to uphold the law, it is the DUTY of the people to do it for them.
@@BrooklynBalla The 'DA?' In Florida?
They better ban all vehicles equipped with cameras if there is no filming in their parking lot. Especially ban all Teslas.
Every vehicle has cameras, not just Teslas.
@skyrailmaxima Wrong! Not every vehicle on the road has cameras and those equipped with a backup camera do not necessarily record data. Don't be pedantic.
@@dentalnovember All new cars come with backup cameras newer ones with proximity detection and lane assist- which is using cameras.
Name a model that this year has 0 cameras new.
And as for if they record, its not like you know, and if you don't know you should suspect the worst. Keep pretending that your data is safe and technology will never be used to manipulate and exploit 😆 makes you look super knowledgeable about tech.
The only good car is an old car. You can thank the government for that.
@skyrailmaxima Not every new vehicle on the road is a passenger car. Heavy trucks or motorcycles for example are not factory equipped with cameras. Again, you argue semantics. Stop with the pedantic nonsense.
@@dentalnovember Yes, they do. Heavy road semis come with backup and lane indicators. Modern bikes are more grey area, you could probably find a few without electronic stuffing.
But my argument was general, you are arguing minutia. Thats what being pedantic is, arguing as if one exception proves a general rule. Your projecting your pedantism onto me for...some reason? Maybe insecurity?
Cameras on vehicles are pervasive and toxic. Just like you for defending it
Just to clarify, if a private property owner bans filming and you film, you did not break a law. You broke their rule. The property owner can then ask you to stop and/or tell you to leave the property. But breaking their filming rule doesn't give the property owner (or other patrons) any special power to demand you delete the film or to grab (steal) the camera. If you don't leave, after being told to, then you have broken a law. (I'm not a lawyer. This is not legal advice)
If anyone’s business is too worried about being videotaped than it is about customer safety, that business is probably not worth going back to as a regular customer.
A private owned business is not a government entity.
I paid $52k in legal fees to defend myself in court over a nearly identical situation. And, yes, absolutely he would have been charged if he had not filmed this incident. Cops will almost ALWAYS side with the party that is either female or the one who lost the fight. In a male v. female case either 1) run like hell or 2) film it all. Don't kid yourself, cops will side with the female, barring evidence or many witnesses. Actually in any situation that looks like it may go to violence, do your best to get away. $52k or whatever in legal fees is a lot to lose.
Also upload a spare footage before showing the cops.
I was abused as a child and I am afraid I would not have control once I start defending myself.
@@SmethwickCouncilmanBint That's an interesting comment. Same for me. The instance I mentioned above ($52k in legal fees) was a bully that picked on the wrong person - me. I left him permanently disfigured, 30 stitches to the face. Even though he was a wife beater, cops took his side. Was in Utah too, his religion probably had something to do with the cops charging me.
Well this guy, and evidently you, could’ve avoided the entire thing if you minded your own business instead of being a Keenan by recording others.
@@LuckyCharms777nice bit of victim blaming you got there 😄
That new law in Fl about not filming 'first responders' is going to get shut down. IDK why they think that they can still run out stuff like that, which is in clear violation of established laws and settled cases.
It's the same reason police try to stretch the definition of the law when making an arrest.
Just the same way people defending against our government are trying to create case law against bad police actions..... The police are also trying to set precedence by making arrests, stretching the definition of the law and hoping it sticks in court.
Look up a guy that was interrogated for 17 hours straight where the police accused him of killing his own father that they knew was perfectly alive..... What reason would they have for getting him to confess to a murder that they know never happened..... Unless they were simply treating it like an experiment to see if they could get him to say he did it.
By the way they even brought his dog into the room and told him that they're going to have to euthanize his dog since he's not confessing to the murder.
What's left out is the first cop tries to say that the video was edited and they can't be shre what happened and even tries to put the blame on Moses. It took another cop, his supervisor, to finally file charges. It was disgraceful.
I've seen the full length video on multiple channels. I appreciate you covering it here as well. However, I am disappointed that you didn't make a "filming on PUBLIX property" joke. Dude, it was RIGHT... THERE!
Joking aside, I wish you briefly covered the fact that the police (especially that first officer) was gaslighting the cameraman, acting like her assault/battery upon him never happened and he was the only one to use physical force. They only moved forward with charges because of the publicity this was getting from his postings to UA-cam.
Do not answer the door if the Police are knocking and you did not call them.
Don’t open the door even if you did call them. Talk through the door, window, or doorbell camera. I’ve seen too many videos of police harassing, planting fake evidence, or just making stuff up and then arresting a victim who called them
The way you keep from getting hurt is to keep your hands to yourself. Any law that says you don't have the ability to protect yourself is just plain stupid. Protecting people that do stupid crap is why we are in the shape we are in right now.
That Florida law regarding first responders seems like it's repugnant to the 1st amendment. SCOTUS has ruled filming police in the performance of their duties is a constitutionally protected right. I'd love to see that get challenged in court. Too many government employees are scared of cameras nowadays, yet they'll be the same ones telling us "you've got nothing to fear if you've done nothing wrong." Don't work for the public if you expect your work activities to be private.
Florida does whatever they want.A few county’s there have ordinances saying it’s illegal to record government employees without their consent.One of them is Punta Gorda.A federal court even upheld it in “Sheets vs Punta Gorda”.
That law isn’t about recording cops, it’s about maintaining a distance from cops in the performance of their duties. Too many Keisha’s and Keenan’s get within arms reach of cops to record them while they’re conducting an investigation or arrest. It’s a matter of interfering with the cops and officer safety.
@@BrooklynBalla Ordinances, are not laws, and if you fight it in court it will be thrown out or over turned.
@@LuckyCharms777 Exactly, people aren't informed about that the law actually says (typical)
@@Trblmkr07 That’s exactly what Sheets tried to do and he lost.Did you miss the part where a federal court ruled against him and upheld the ordinance?
She got the F around and find out treatment
_"Should we be filming?"_
Yes, 100% yes, without video it's a he said /she said, without video the Rodney King's beating would have been the word of the police alone. And think broader, without video, a lot of disasters or accidents would become harder to solve or fix.
That woman assaulted him and he reasonably defended himself. Hopefully she learned an important life lesson that most people learn in grade school - don't start nuthin and there won't be nuthing. Thanks for the video on this.
But...watching these kinds of videos makes me feel normal when I am having a bad day.
I don't know how you pull zingers like, "You're going to hell, and your kids are too!" out and expect not to be filmed.
That is a death threat.
@@danielduncan6806what the fuck? Lmao no it isn’t.
@@Lurch685 Yes it is. You should work on your survival skills. You are currently unable to tell when your life is being threatened. I consider that to be mental defect.
@@danielduncan6806 it’s a schoolyard chant, even said in sing song fashion, like a child.
“I’m going to kill you” is a death threat. “You’re going to hell” is a statement of opinion. That you conflate the two is a clear sign of your paranoia, or stupidity.
@@Lurch685 Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.
I disagree. His instincts were right to film that fight because this evil woman is violent. He knew exactly what could happen. The tape would have convicted her if she attacked the good woman.
I applaud him for his gentlemanness. He could have clocked her, but he chose a gentler method to get her away from him.
I read clocked as choked at first, was judging your comment real hard for a moment there lol.
@@itsdarke1054 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@itsdarke1054I'll allow it
You can hear her fist make contact when she swings at him. *Thump*. He immediately responded by saying he was hit (granted this only indicates it wasn't something he made up after the fact), and the other lady who witnessed it said he was hit. Based on this I think any reasonable person would assume the fist made contact. I am not a lawyer.
You don't have to be an attorney to know right from wrong.
Also she was trying to *steal* his phone from his hand. Attempted theft should be among the charges.
Local laws for filming in public do not trump the First Ammendment.
A store policy is not a law. You’re welcome.
Recording aside, you can’t just walk up and hit someone! A woman hitting a man is as egregious as a man hitting a woman from a legal (and common sense) viewpoint!
Fun fact about Public's in Virginia: Ukrops was a well known grocery chain in Virginia for years. The family who ran it were friends with the people who started Public's. The two had a gentleman's agreement that they would not encroach on each others' spheres of influence. Ukrops sold their stores several years ago to another company. That company didn't stay in the area, so Public's ended up buying up a lot of the former Ukrops locations.
Thank you for a great video and a very thorough explanation. I'm a Florida resident and had something similar happened to me with my ex-wife. During our separation, she assaulted me in the street. Just like in this video, I was backing up to avoid a physical confrontation. And just like in this video, it does not show where she hit me. But the video clearly showed her bawling up her fist and taking a swing at me. Because she did charge at me with an intent to hit me, which was clear on the video, she was arrested on assault domestic violence charges. Deputies did not charge her with battery because the video did not show where her fist landed on me and because there were no marks on me, it was hard for them to determine it despite eyewitness testimony. That UA-camr did exactly everything correctly as you said.
That Keenan needs to mind his own business instead of recording others for internet clout.
Looks to me like she tripped over her ego and fell down.
Look a bit like certain NBA pros flopping.
Some peoples entire lives are just a warning to future generations!
Public is in the name so how can it not be public? Haha, try that argument in court.
It’s Publix not Public’s
@@JohnSmith-qe7zr he knows he is just being funny
@@JohnSmith-qe7zr *_Whoooosh_*
That short clip of that woman stretched up on the ground had me💀💀💀
Great to see your thoughts on this video, many good angles to cover. Keep the videos coming, 165,000 subscribers are waiting patiently!! Long term sub from Michigan🙂
Same here. Grand Rapids area here
A good reminder that “never hit a woman no matter what” is a (contested) social norm, not the actual law.
But good video. I definitely agree that this tendency to film every human indiscretion has negative societal effects. I’m glad I came of age before filming people with smartphones became ubiquitous.
It's a good rule. But that's before feminism took hold. Now they demand equality, which includes force.
I agree. BUT, the issue is that a lot of modern women no longer act like the ladies that that philosophy was intended to protect.
This is not some cordial, respectful female. This is a modern woman who walked up and, not acting in any way like a female in the "traditional" sense (when the "men don't hit women, period" idea was created), starting swinging.
Sorry, but all bets are off at that point - woman or not.
@@dasfetteI fully support "equal rights".... And lefts🫡😉
@@dasfette I replied with must the same. Yatub remved the comment.
@@dasfette Looks like they rmvd yours too.
She pissed off at least two parties so she’s the problem
My neighbors have started harassing us and among filing a series bogus zoning complaints, have pointed multiple cameras and spotlights into every one of our windows on their side of the house and our private hot tub area.
What's worse is the cameras are remote controlled so we can see them moving the cameras around zooming into our house daily.
We called the police and they came out and said it was "fair view" and "the eye cannot trespass" telling us their filming and audio recording was legal.
F this country.
Equal rights equal fights.
Equal rights and equal lefts
" Hint ; Don't talk to the police "
Wise words Mr. F.
If someone was filming me, the most I would do is wave and smile.
Even after the woman is on the ground, he is still retreating. This proves he is not escalating the incident. The cops made the correct decision to charge her!
I’m curious if she fined and convicted.
Thank you, Andrew, for what you said near the end of your video! I lost my stepson in a car crash a couple of years ago, and my fear of being filmed having an emotional breakdown while in public has pretty much kept me from going in public anymore. I never knew if I was going to see something that reminded me of him and start sobbing uncontrollably for no apparent reason to anyone else. It’s extremely cruel to video other people who are having a hard time and then post it on social media for all the world to see. Most of the time the people filming and watching these videos don’t know what happened to cause the incident that they’re laughing at and making fun of. If they did know, I’d like to hope their reactions wouldn’t be to make jokes about it. Treat people with kindness and compassion because you never know what kind of hell they might be dealing with in private. The fight those two women were having was absolutely none of his business. If he had been concerned for either of their safety, calling 911 would have been a much better option. Instead he just escalated the situation by videoing the incident for his own entertainment. At the very least, he should have stopped recording when asked to then apologize. It makes me wonder if there are any decent people left anymore or are we all just here for social media entertainment.
Don't do anything in public you would not want to see on the 6 o'clock news. Pretty simple.
That law in Florida is blatantly unconstitutional.
lol Florida afraid of pig accountability
Thank you for the conclusion about what we SHOULD do. It's always good to understand our rights but rights and 'right to do' aren't always the same
Florida's law prohibiting filming the police while in the process of doing their duties, is it illegal. Constitutionally anywhere you are in public you can film anything that you can see, and under the color of law you cannot make laws prohibiting constitutional rights. They have already determined that 8 ft is adequate.
"Florida's law prohibiting filming the police"
There is no such law.
@@Tom-zs6bb good
@@branchesofYAH Yep.
That's a Stupid question the woman obviously should go to jail.
There is no expectation of privacy in public.
Or Publix.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't resist.
@@DrSOBX-kd3y baaaa
People should not have screaming fights in public. If they're having a bad day, take it home and argue there. If you shout things in public, then you're a public problem and have no right to object when the public gets involved. The public has a right to expect safety, and to NOT have their privacy invaded by other people's aggression. Shouting or other violence, in public, is aggression that the public has an obvious need to quell. Filming and shaming people who do it is the least they should expect!
I appreciated your comments at the end about posting people's worst moments online. Well said.
Usually, the man will get arrested, even though she assaulted him first
The moment she verbally threatened him and raised her fist, it was all over. She didn't actually have to strike him to trigger self defense.
Grabbing at his phone is assault and/or battery depending on jurisdiction, and maybe even attempted robbery since she used physical force to try to take property. That's before she swung her fist. And even just threatening to punch him is assault in most places.
She probably thought she could do whatever she wanted short of drawing blood because she's a smaller woman attacking a man. I've seen that attitude many times.
The wiretapping law wouldn't apply because she was talking to him after screaming at someone else.
While you can't see the physical contact, you can clearly HEAR that the punch made contact in some way as you hear the thud of her striking something.
Well explained as usual, thanks you for being you.
I think Justice was served immediately.
I miss the days when our greatest threat was bears.
Ehh, Karen’s thinks they are 100% right and everyone else is 100% wrong, no matter what.
She assaulted the man.
A Publix parking lot sure sounds like a public space.
Once she raised her fist it was assault - doesn't matter if she made contact or not.
I would say it was assault before that when she tried to grab his phone. In fact, she was approaching him in a threatening manner, and he was backing away, clearly trying to escape, even before she reached him, if he feared physical contact, it would meet the legal definition of assault. I doubt she would be convicted, but she could be charged.
Thanks for reminding me of one of the few things I miss about RVA... Publix.
I’m gonna guess every day is a bad day for her.
Reasonable commentary from Andrew. The woman attacker got off lucky as getting knocked to the ground with no apparent injuries and being cited/arrested are much better than being severely injured or killed. Keep your ego locked down and walk away is how I live and keep living. The mistake the guy doing the video made was allowing her to get close not knowing if she might have a weapon such as a knife. Distance is key.
I disagree about NOT filming people’s arguments. Prior to cell phones, you only HEARD of altercations and public blow ups and most people didn’t believe it. Society hasn’t become ugly; human behavior has always been ugly and now now people can see first hand how ugly people can be. There are no saints amongst us.
If these people felt any shame for how they act filming, it would be a good thing.
She was counting on using female plausibility deniability ...keep the cams going
You said recording people in public is a crime depending on the state! That's not true in America our first amendment of the constitutional rights gives us the right to record anyone in public! 💯Facts
He backhanded that Karen xD
Pimp Hand was strong.
Interesting, informative, and careful; great stuff!
There is no question of self defense in this case.
"Karen, never the Less, HAS NO Right to Strike, camer. Clearly was 1st punch, not in self defence
Very good epilog.
Just because we have a right to film people on their worst day doesn't mean we should as a hobby or an exposé.
Rights have responsibilities of good judgement to excercise these rights. Too many rights are abused to anger or escalate...or end up harming people.
Use your rights well and they will often remain in place. Abuse your rights often and you will find them curtailed. Things we should have learned at recess.
This technology is a double edged sword. Tricky stuff. I try to mind my own. It just isn't worth it these days. You just never know. Interesting video though
Always like your closing statements. We do need to be more aware and better neighbors.
She just found out what equality is really like
We don't see her hitting him.
Did you hear the impacts.?
Filming for safety, IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PUBLIC RELATIONS, YOU FREAKING EINSTEIN!
Call me old school, but I love having a landline when he references wiretapping. When something happens as far as on the cellular it's always nice to have a backup.
As far as the Karen striking the guy, glad that the guy ante'd up and protected himself.
This is a prime example of the law not keeping up with tech.
Would have probably been able to get footage from store cameras if it came down to it
A similar situation actually happened to me with a female car thief. In this video. The woman verbally threatened "Moses", then tried to steal his phone by force. Moses defends himself and the attacker calls the police. This is a common tactic with thieves and physical aggressors. So if you have to defend yourself call 911 right away.
When you are on or in public property or out or in a publicly visible place where all of the bugs and the birds, mice and rats, cats and dogs, babies and toddlers, tweens and teens, women and men can see you and watch everything you are doing and hear you speak and listen to everything you say; you have no expectation of privacy and therefore no right to privacy.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos, Counselor :-D
A parking lot for the public to use is still considered public photography
But they can tell you to leave their parking lot. You can film their parking lot from public, but the parking lot is private property.
If a business (like a grocery store) offers "public" accommodations, then the parking lot is for the public.
It's still PRIVATE property. The business has INVITED you there. They can UNINVITE you at anytime, for any reason except race, gender, religion, or disability. PUBLIC ACCESS Property is not PUBLIC property. If you go to the courthouse and look at the deed for the grocery store, I guarantee you some corporation is the owner, not the State.
There was only one time I refused to trespass someone at a business. I got dispatched to a Chinese restaurant who want me to make a guy leave "because he was eating too much" at the buffet. I said, "Heck no. The sign says All you can eat, $12.99. You told me he paid his $12,99. I'm outta here. You ain't getting me sued. "
Other than some ridiculously stupid reason like that, if the manager says he wants you to leave, he law says you have to leave.
One major problem I see with any law forbidding the recording of a "private" conversation that's happening in a public place is that such a law could be used for entrapment: Someone is filming in public, so you and your buddy get close and start a "private conversation" and then get him into legal trouble because he recorded it.
Not only would this kind of law allow such abuse, it just goes against the spirit of the first amendment.
If it’s not marked private property or restricted access and it’s a public easement so as long you can get access I say she had no right to do anything
Why is the distinction made about being a member of the press to be able to record? To me it applies to all citizens.
There's no such thing as an official member of the press, therefore laws that protect the press and their right to investigate , question public officials and to record, do apply to all citizens. If you have an amateur blog, you're the press.
Wiping out a phone to record a fight really just escalates the situation now.
The last minute of your video was the best part 👍
Hopefully Moses doesn’t have any problems from this and that woman catches a charge. The entitlement to attack someone physically then call the cops when they defend their self is just wild.
She should have been charged with attempted Robbery too.
FAFO applies to everyone. If they start it, you are allowed to finish it.
It's legal to record in every state without consent, even in supposed two party consent states. When did this turn into North Korea