I think having the option of choosing which design to purchase is a good step. As far as which heatsink is more efficient at heat dissipation, can't say as it matters. I've ran the Gen 1 for 8-12 hours straight at 1 Ohm (and not at your typical listening volume) and have never felt the exterior of the amp much over ambient temperature. That little fan gets down, lol. Supply the amp with the appropriate amperage that it demands, keep it out of clipping, watch your ohm load, and you're golden no matter which generation you choose. Great job Joe, glad to see your enterprise expanding 🦾 * Note: My unbiased results stated have been repeatedly tested over the course of 1 year, not just a one time dyno pull. I was not paid in any way for my testimony. I purchased the amplifier with my own money. *
@@DustmanDiagnostics lol, good input! Thanks Dustin! Yeah, you bought one of the first ones, and just might have the most experience with the first model!
@@stereomojo Doesn't hurt to offer information to others on the fence about a purchase, by showing the results of a year long flogging. It originally powered a pair of SKAR EVLD2's in a 3.5 ft/3 ported enclosure tuned at 35Hz (yes at 1/2 Ohm), then 2 Diamond Audio M12D4's in a 2.5 ft/3 sealed enclosure @ 1ohm, now a single SKAR VXF-15D2 in 4.25 ft/3 tuned at 29Hz. All have performed admirably, the amp has never gone into protect.
@@stereomojo Other parameters in case anyone is interested: Head unit - Pioneer DEH-80PRS Battery - Super Start 900 CCA FLA Alternator - Mitsubishi - Stock 110 Amp Wiring - SkyHigh - 4ga OFC power/ground 17' power, 2' ground Signal - SkyHigh - 11982951 Premium RCA's 20' Fusing - SkyHigh - 150 Amp ANL Nothing fancy here folks. Also the amplifier and all the other equipment survived a 50mph/80kph head on freeway collision. Appears to be a well built piece of equipment.
I like the idea of gen over V1 V2 myself. Only because you asked,if I were to see them both on a shelf, I'd buy the gen1, but that's just personal preference . I thought about LS swapping my 4th gen Z28 and still may at some point. Right now, I'm slowly but steadily building a syclone extended cab style that whistles. Wanted to build a typhoon lol, impossible to find a blazer from that era in even decent condition body wise. Ty sir for the video and, as always, highly appreciated. Enjoy your Sunday 👍🤞
@@undernature2799 thanks UN! Cool input. So you’ve got an lt1 4th gen? Cool, I had a ‘95 z28 back in the day. Had a blast with that car! Did a lot of street racing with it.
@stereomojo yes sir with a whopping 80k miles 6spd and green lol the pretty green, not the pale looking green and t-tops. I had a 85 s-10 when I was 19 that we dropped a 350 in. I would race it a little. The one I'm building now will be awd it has a gmc safari drive train in the front.
Dang that's a strong little amp! This would be perfect for my two Sparkomatic 6x9's lol!! I love these amps but I'm like you, I've always like the green. Thanks for the videos!!
The orginal color with the new heatsink would be dope too! I like red and black but just too much red for me. All black with red acents would have been more of my speed
I would suggest running 2 Gauge or 0 gauge OFC wire and simply get adapters that convert the input to 4 Guage. It certainly couldn't hurt. (2 Gauge can be found in your Marine wire which go by increments of 2 instead of 4 like car audio. And generally have a better jacket around the wire. Or even use power wire for welders.)
I have a Gen 1, signed, was thinking about getting a 2nd one to use. Now I will wait for the 4ch and get a Gen2 and matching 4ch., but I really want a 4ch that matches the Gen1.
Okay so my honest opinion , both amps.. Absolutely awesome however .. 3 points that steer my choice .. 1. That noisy fan on the newer model , not a fan. 2. The red over the original green and overall look, I like the green better. 3. The 4 gauge input , not the biggest deal in the world but my PERSONAL opinion .. I would definitely buy the gen1 if I were to purchase today !! Thank you for all that you do for the community and the great product line you are now producing . Definitely still planning to grab one of your amps in the future to either run or just to have as a collector item.
Good call having a fan. I think most if not all amplifiers would benefit from a fan. And with the new mini computer fans using magnets instead of ball bearings they can be quieter than ever. The amp looks good. And its nice to have something pleasing to the eye when purchasing it. But most amps in vehicles get tucked away under seats or in trunks and are rarely seen if you think about it. Form should always follow function. But in today's world rarely does.
In complete honesty I like the gen 2 version. I did notice the fan noise, but typically microphones will hear noise like that better than we can. So I don't view fan noise as a real issue. I did notice with the 1 ohm impedance load test on the dyno, I did hear the fan physically slow down under testing load. This is an internal voltage drop ; probably enhanced due to the 4 guage connections of the amplifier and or the circuit traces on the amp circuit board. You can put the volt meter on the fan leads inside the amp and measure the voltage drop under load of the dyno testing. I would do that to satisfy curiosity of exactly what is happening at max output load. Like you i dont think it will be a problem with reliability. I did notice that with the cast heatsink there is more cooling surface area ( which is a good thing). That feature along with the internal cooling fan will definitely help the amp survive the hot environment of life in a hot car trunk during summer months. Over all I think you have a winner with the gen 2 version. The new 4 channel is likely to have the same fan issues and voltage drop on its circuit board. If you do a larger amplifier, it will have to have heavier power supply connections and wider power traces on the circuit board so as to be a quality viable product. The build quality of these series of amplifiers looks really good to me. No wires added like the old days. Toroid transformers look like really nice quality and the filter transformer looks good too. The electrolytic capacitors are probably better quality, which is giving slightly better wattage output on the dyno testing. Your definitely taking Welsh Audio in the right direction and with good products that deliver the goods. In this economy every other manufactor is trying to cut anywhere they can get by with. Your not and that is why you will succeed in building a respected reputation and product line in the car audio industry. Great video and there are a lot of people watching your channel now, and thats a good thing as well. 73 GOD bless Earnest K5EWM. 👍
@@earnestmatlock9694 Dang Earnest, another insightful comment! Yeah, I’m sure you’re right about the voltage drop and the fan. That sure would be a cool test! Thanks again Earnest!
@@stereomojo thanks for the reply. That voltage drop under load will create heating of the conductors (circuit board trace/ etc...). If you found a remedy to stop the voltage drop. You may get another 100 watts @ 1 ohm out of the amplifier. Judging by the rpm drop of the fan the voltage on the board is dropping 4 volts before it makes it to the power supply regulator circuit. It would take testing to verify my theory. Other than that, I think its a solid product. . Full range mono block, I could have fun with that. Lol [{( CRANKENSTEIN)}] ! LOL.
That's some serious power for the price. Except you will probably need to upgrade your alternator. lol It's a shame at the price of new cars they still don't offer much in terms of alternators offered.
To be fair it would be a v2 since its the same amp. A gen 2 would be a change in design. But of course you can call or name them what ever you like or wish.
@@rubenj1666 thanks Ruben! Shoot me your address and I’ll check on that shipping question. You can email me at joe@welshaudio.com or stereomojo@yahoo.com
@@stereomojo Ahh man I didn't know that. I'm still going to get one. I bought a Nakamichi 3k that's actually a 2k from Woot for $82. But I'm fearful to hook it up because the efficiency was 58% 😬
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Gen 2 definitely stands out over all the other brands using only black . You are doing an awesome job !
@@phila8160 thanks Phil!
I think this is a much better color scheme. And the heat sink is more appropriate. I like it! But since you sell both, you have the choice! 👍🏻
@@chrisnunya7171 yes, I agree! Thanks Chris!
Great looking amp. I like the red on black 👍 👌
@@Special.Purpose.Weapon thanks WD!
Can you dyno some PRV amps, preferably the mdx series would be awesome to see. Thanks for your time and work.
I think having the option of choosing which design to purchase is a good step. As far as which heatsink is more efficient at heat dissipation, can't say as it matters. I've ran the Gen 1 for 8-12 hours straight at 1 Ohm (and not at your typical listening volume) and have never felt the exterior of the amp much over ambient temperature. That little fan gets down, lol. Supply the amp with the appropriate amperage that it demands, keep it out of clipping, watch your ohm load, and you're golden no matter which generation you choose. Great job Joe, glad to see your enterprise expanding 🦾 * Note: My unbiased results stated have been repeatedly tested over the course of 1 year, not just a one time dyno pull. I was not paid in any way for my testimony. I purchased the amplifier with my own money. *
@@DustmanDiagnostics lol, good input! Thanks Dustin! Yeah, you bought one of the first ones, and just might have the most experience with the first model!
@@stereomojo Doesn't hurt to offer information to others on the fence about a purchase, by showing the results of a year long flogging. It originally powered a pair of SKAR EVLD2's in a 3.5 ft/3 ported enclosure tuned at 35Hz (yes at 1/2 Ohm), then 2 Diamond Audio M12D4's in a 2.5 ft/3 sealed enclosure @ 1ohm, now a single SKAR VXF-15D2 in 4.25 ft/3 tuned at 29Hz. All have performed admirably, the amp has never gone into protect.
@ wow, I didn’t know about the different subs you’ve had it on. Thanks for sharing!
@@stereomojo Other parameters in case anyone is interested:
Head unit - Pioneer DEH-80PRS
Battery - Super Start 900 CCA FLA
Alternator - Mitsubishi - Stock 110 Amp
Wiring - SkyHigh - 4ga OFC power/ground 17' power, 2' ground
Signal - SkyHigh - 11982951 Premium RCA's 20'
Fusing - SkyHigh - 150 Amp ANL
Nothing fancy here folks. Also the amplifier and all the other equipment survived a 50mph/80kph head on freeway collision. Appears to be a well built piece of equipment.
@ that head unit sure is fancy! lol. I’m glad everything turned out ok for you with the accident!
I like the idea of gen over V1 V2 myself.
Only because you asked,if I were to see them both on a shelf, I'd buy the gen1, but that's just personal preference .
I thought about LS swapping my 4th gen Z28 and still may at some point. Right now, I'm slowly but steadily building a syclone extended cab style that whistles. Wanted to build a typhoon lol, impossible to find a blazer from that era in even decent condition body wise.
Ty sir for the video and, as always, highly appreciated. Enjoy your Sunday 👍🤞
I like both it's haha but I also like green 🤔 decisions decisions
@@undernature2799 thanks UN! Cool input. So you’ve got an lt1 4th gen? Cool, I had a ‘95 z28 back in the day. Had a blast with that car! Did a lot of street racing with it.
@stereomojo yes sir with a whopping 80k miles 6spd and green lol the pretty green, not the pale looking green and t-tops.
I had a 85 s-10 when I was 19 that we dropped a 350 in. I would race it a little.
The one I'm building now will be awd it has a gmc safari drive train in the front.
Let us know as soon as you settle on the 4 channel a/b version. I need a matching set. 😂
Color looks good.
Dang that's a strong little amp! This would be perfect for my two Sparkomatic 6x9's lol!! I love these amps but I'm like you, I've always like the green. Thanks for the videos!!
I always put a 4028 1 amp fan on my hard-working amps. They are pretty loud!
Much better visual branding. Much. Congrats brother.
@@TheGodofSEO thanks AJ!
Absolutely beautiful amps but the Gen 2 is the winner for me , super nice on the eyes 🦾🦾🦾
@@skatebunch3084 thanks SB!
I like the colorway of Gen 2 except I wish the stripe down the middle was gray like the other one
The orginal color with the new heatsink would be dope too! I like red and black but just too much red for me. All black with red acents would have been more of my speed
Both are very nice looking amps 👌🏽
I would suggest running 2 Gauge or 0 gauge OFC wire and simply get adapters that convert the input to 4 Guage. It certainly couldn't hurt. (2 Gauge can be found in your Marine wire which go by increments of 2 instead of 4 like car audio. And generally have a better jacket around the wire. Or even use power wire for welders.)
I like the heat sink on the v2 but like the color of the v1
@@jimmybarrett-sw8vt thanks for the input JB!
I have a Gen 1, signed, was thinking about getting a 2nd one to use. Now I will wait for the 4ch and get a Gen2 and matching 4ch., but I really want a 4ch that matches the Gen1.
lol, I’m working on something that just might work for you!
Okay so my honest opinion , both amps.. Absolutely awesome however .. 3 points that steer my choice .. 1. That noisy fan on the newer model , not a fan. 2. The red over the original green and overall look, I like the green better. 3. The 4 gauge input , not the biggest deal in the world but my PERSONAL opinion .. I would definitely buy the gen1 if I were to purchase today !! Thank you for all that you do for the community and the great product line you are now producing . Definitely still planning to grab one of your amps in the future to either run or just to have as a collector item.
@@ChrisRichardson-v6c thanks for the input Chris!
Good call having a fan. I think most if not all amplifiers would benefit from a fan. And with the new mini computer fans using magnets instead of ball bearings they can be quieter than ever. The amp looks good. And its nice to have something pleasing to the eye when purchasing it. But most amps in vehicles get tucked away under seats or in trunks and are rarely seen if you think about it. Form should always follow function. But in today's world rarely does.
That amp is Welsh strong 💪!!!
@@dirt_ripper8734 Thanks DR!
In complete honesty I like the gen 2 version. I did notice the fan noise, but typically microphones will hear noise like that better than we can. So I don't view fan noise as a real issue.
I did notice with the 1 ohm impedance load test on the dyno, I did hear the fan physically slow down under testing load. This is an internal voltage drop ; probably enhanced due to the 4 guage connections of the amplifier and or the circuit traces on the amp circuit board. You can put the volt meter on the fan leads inside the amp and measure the voltage drop under load of the dyno testing. I would do that to satisfy curiosity of exactly what is happening at max output load.
Like you i dont think it will be a problem with reliability.
I did notice that with the cast heatsink there is more cooling surface area ( which is a good thing). That feature along with the internal cooling fan will definitely help the amp survive the hot environment of life in a hot car trunk during summer months.
Over all I think you have a winner with the gen 2 version.
The new 4 channel is likely to have the same fan issues and voltage drop on its circuit board.
If you do a larger amplifier, it will have to have heavier power supply connections and wider power traces on the circuit board so as to be a quality viable product.
The build quality of these series of amplifiers looks really good to me. No wires added like the old days. Toroid transformers look like really nice quality and the filter transformer looks good too. The electrolytic capacitors are probably better quality, which is giving slightly better wattage output on the dyno testing.
Your definitely taking Welsh Audio in the right direction and with good products that deliver the goods.
In this economy every other manufactor is trying to cut anywhere they can get by with. Your not and that is why you will succeed in building a respected reputation and product line in the car audio industry.
Great video and there are a lot of people watching your channel now, and thats a good thing as well.
73 GOD bless Earnest K5EWM. 👍
@@earnestmatlock9694 Dang Earnest, another insightful comment! Yeah, I’m sure you’re right about the voltage drop and the fan. That sure would be a cool test! Thanks again Earnest!
@@stereomojo thanks for the reply. That voltage drop under load will create heating of the conductors (circuit board trace/ etc...). If you found a remedy to stop the voltage drop. You may get another 100 watts @ 1 ohm out of the amplifier. Judging by the rpm drop of the fan the voltage on the board is dropping 4 volts before it makes it to the power supply regulator circuit.
It would take testing to verify my theory. Other than that, I think its a solid product. .
Full range mono block, I could have fun with that. Lol [{( CRANKENSTEIN)}] ! LOL.
I like the new one.
@@jlwz71 thanks Jody!
Would love to see the amp in a car dyno run
@@jimmybarrett-sw8vt I’m sure that’ll happen! Thanks!
Nice 👍
That's some serious power for the price. Except you will probably need to upgrade your alternator. lol It's a shame at the price of new cars they still don't offer much in terms of alternators offered.
Nice 1
@@beemackin2316 thanks Bee!
They kinda remind me of the old school HiFonics amps
Algorithm comment 💪
@@Stoneman1971 thanks Allen!
To be fair it would be a v2 since its the same amp. A gen 2 would be a change in design. But of course you can call or name them what ever you like or wish.
I love your channel. it is the Best one. Is it correct free shipping to México? That amp. Looks so cool
@@rubenj1666 thanks Ruben! Shoot me your address and I’ll check on that shipping question. You can email me at joe@welshaudio.com or stereomojo@yahoo.com
2nd generation looks much better, for my preference. I haven't been able to log on to your site in about a week.
It’s funny my middle name is Walsh
@@Cully-Wully that’s cool!
G2 looks much better i think.
@@heavymetalrc7520 thanks HM!
You ever thought selling your amps on Amazon? I have a 💩 load of refund money to use 😂
@@BigMerc91CMDNJ lol, I have almost done that twice. It’s expensive to do business on Amazon. It could happen one day, but idk yet.
Morning gents, I’m a little late to the party
@@stereomojo Ahh man I didn't know that. I'm still going to get one. I bought a Nakamichi 3k that's actually a 2k from Woot for $82. But I'm fearful to hook it up because the efficiency was 58% 😬
Ebay
The original has a better color
@@marcovaldovinos5009 thanks for the input Marco!