Building a big bookcase using construction lumber and some oak trim. sides were too long to use on my box joint jig, so I cut the box joints on my slot mortiser.
@@matthiaswandel whoops, I see someone already asked the question I asked. As far as alignment goes, can't you use the bit itself for alignment, by manually positioning it in an existing slot?
@@macedindu829 Even using the bits for alignment it will be off simply because the realities of manufacturing. That rod he uses. Or the wood that the machine is made of. Or the slack in the bearings. Or all of the above. Everything contributes tiny misalignments. Even the deflection caused by the tool cutting the wood vs resting against it while stopped can be too much. Even with VERY high precision tools, you still don't flip workpieces around.
@@Prophes0r Uhhhh, with very high precision tools, there's some reference point on the workpiece (a corner, or a set of holes), and probes which can locate to a couple um - it's no problem flipping pieces around and re-probing the reference points and machining from a different side - it's done all the time. And this isn't rocketship parts - it's a wood bookcase - it would work just fine.
I really love your videos. Seeing your son reminded me of helping out my dad's projects , and adding to his workload, with all the slapping my hands away from spinning blades and such. But , I really Cherish those memories and how, even after he is gone , that sense of doing something special each and every time sawdust hits the floor. Thank you for all your hard work and wonderful memories we can watch over and over again.
I realized that I have been watching you for a while when you son walked by and I remember you announcing that Rachel was pregnant. thanks for teaching this old man.
It makes me feel better as a human to see someone else that has some clutter and mess in their house with kids. My wife and I have a hell of a time staying around of the cleaning around here. lol
Pocket holes in those center rigid shelves are great. Almost better than any other option. If you ever want to move that shelf a little bit to accommodate a different spacing - boom, no problem. Just some small screw holes nobody is ever going to notice anyway. As a habitual non-committer, I love it.
When doing these box joints , why didn't you do half the width, then flip the boards 180 degrees about the long axis, in essence making the cuts in from the bottom up , meeting in the middle ? Great video. I marvel at your creativity and ingenuity!
Dear Matthias, y enjoy very much your videos, great job every time. I noted a big mirror behind the bed. I stick a vinyl behind my mirrors, in case of breakage, they keep the pieces together.
As I was watching this video I suffered a stoke at 11:25 when you mentioned pocket holes. I am okay. it was a fake stroke...I got a hold of myself and got my bearings after I puled myself off the floor. I'm good...really.
Yeah I really like box joints but you said it putting it together and getting ahead of the glue is a real chore sometimes. But it looks like you accomplished the task you're a quick worker. Thanks for your videos.
Hello there nice work as usual, I have a small question : couldn't you just reverse the position of the sides and tap and bottom to continue the box joint? Like flipping them 180° on the long axe and continue by referencing the bit to the last finger cut?
@@schm4704 if he started in the middle and worked down ... first prop up the work piece so its middle point aligns with the middle position of the tool.
Mr Wandel, First…I love your videos…your ingenuity, creative approach and your ability to “use what you have on hand” is very inspiring…that said…good lord man why would you use 2x6 & 2x8 stock for a book case…for your children’s games…I mean, I could understand if they were reading Law Volumes or Encyclopedia collection from the 1960’thus requiring the added shelf strength … Keep up the great work…look forward to your next build 😎
Let it be known that what you said at 8:55 earned my "Like" ^_^ /edit, now that I've finished the video: A beautiful piece - simple, sturdy, timeless. Always enjoyable to see what solutions you come up with. Your videos always make me eager to get back in the shop. Great work, sir.
Great project, as usual filled with much good advice. Maybe it's a silly question, but why didn't you flip the boards on the slot mortiser by 180 to add slots all the way through?
@@goose_asdf Thanks :) Maybe it would take some tweaking, but since this machine indexes everything by threaded turns I figured it might be be close enough.
@@goose_asdf say each cut was 5 spins apart on the gear. You could just flip the board, start from the last slot you cut (make sure the cutting bit fits in there perfectly), then do 5 spins of the gear from there and continue to the end of the board. Then it’s exact.
@@Macarthurmaintenance or better yet, don't worry about it. Do 5 spins to just shy of halfway, then flip and repeat. Your middle pin may be slightly thicker than the rest but who cares.
I use a sliding dovetail to fit a shelf after de case is assembled and it ensures the thing Will never come appart, and it's not hard to make with a router.
What about "pocket dowels"? Basically start with pocket holes and screws, but then pull each screw out one at a time and use the holes to locate and pilot the drill to replace the screws with dowels?
I was just preparing a comment suggesting making shallow cuts from the side at full depth for the box joints to stop tear out, and then you go and think of it anyway. At least I feel validated.
lol in your latest video you can hear your family being audibly annoyed at how long you were taking to set up a raspberry pi, is that working smart or fast? or neither?
You? Using pocket holes?! I would never think you'd go there. How come you didyuse dowels through the sides or even screws? Anything but pocket holes eh?
When I started watching the video I really thought Matthias was going to box joint the fixed shelf, and I was wondering how he was going to do all of those little rectangular mortices.
@@adrianmack3 yes he could. Clamp the middle shelf in place. Then take a drill drill in from the outside of the side of the cabinet into the middle of the end grain of the shelf. Then just glue and Hammer in a dowel (I probably did a crappy job of explaining that.)
@@adrianmack3 PS someone said this and he answered it... He did not want anything coming in from the outside panel... So yeah he sort of answered my question too!
Will the 2-by boards sag if the 4 ft shelves are full of books? I know plywood will. My wife has a lot of books and I'm making a bookcase for those soon.
A stopped housing dado for the middle shelf, after the fact, would have been far better. You wouldn't have to lower your standards to such a low level. And it should have taken at most an hour for you. Your pride is worth at least an hour's time I would hope. You would only need 1/4" depth to get the strength needed. Or, if the shelf was already cut to length (bad form on planning, but we have all been there), you could have used a spline.
I understand why you don't like pocket holes, but at least the way in which you used them is the strongest. I doubt you own enough books to shear those eight screws.
The back can provide an enormous amount of strength, so even just screws in from the side would probably work. But a rabbet would be a nice option as well.
Traditional case work would likely utilize rabbet joints top and bottom and dados for interior shelves. With patience and practice this can be accomplished with very few tools.
You are at a bit of a disadvantage. Rachel knows how inventive and skilled you are in the shop. She knows she could propose/suggest the damn near impossible and there is a good chance you will figure out how to do it.
keep in mind this is coming from the laziest guy in the world but, honest question: would cutting all the box joints by hand be out of the question? is that even a thing, hand-cut box joints? nice work by the way. (except for the pocket screws of course)
It also starts getting pretty difficult to hand-cut joinery on pieces that long. I did dovetails on the end of a 6-foot board once. It was tricky to find a workholding solution...
I gasped when I saw you using POCKET HOLE JOINERY, but then laughed when you mentioned how much it pains you to do so. VERY impressive build as always, Matthias!
Holy crap, we knew about "long covid", but no one ever mentioned it might lead to pocket hole acceptance!! In light of this new terrifying information, I suggest we shut everything down again and keep it that way... forever!
I’m surprised you didn’t jump on it to test its strength! :) Btw, using clamp blocks to clamp longer stretch is so simple and brilliant. Thanks for the tip!
Couldnt you just flip it around and complete the box joints from the other side?
Too hard to get the alignment right. If it's off .1 mm, that makes the fingers not fit right.
@@matthiaswandel whoops, I see someone already asked the question I asked. As far as alignment goes, can't you use the bit itself for alignment, by manually positioning it in an existing slot?
@@matthiaswandel, I have seen your work, you can do it. Try some scrap.
@@macedindu829 Even using the bits for alignment it will be off simply because the realities of manufacturing.
That rod he uses. Or the wood that the machine is made of. Or the slack in the bearings.
Or all of the above. Everything contributes tiny misalignments. Even the deflection caused by the tool cutting the wood vs resting against it while stopped can be too much.
Even with VERY high precision tools, you still don't flip workpieces around.
@@Prophes0r Uhhhh, with very high precision tools, there's some reference point on the workpiece (a corner, or a set of holes), and probes which can locate to a couple um - it's no problem flipping pieces around and re-probing the reference points and machining from a different side - it's done all the time. And this isn't rocketship parts - it's a wood bookcase - it would work just fine.
I love seeing your son helping with the vacuum. Great video as always.
PS: 9:00 Totally agree. No glue is the boss of me
Just like carrying more bags instead of going twice. This is the way.
and goddaumn, that man moves fast. look at him go 8:45
Hey, great build, just thought I'd let you know that there are glues that dry quicker if you wanted to be even manlier.
Real men use accelerator!
Lol
I really love your videos. Seeing your son reminded me of helping out my dad's projects , and adding to his workload, with all the slapping my hands away from spinning blades and such. But , I really Cherish those memories and how, even after he is gone , that sense of doing something special each and every time sawdust hits the floor. Thank you for all your hard work and wonderful memories we can watch over and over again.
I love watching you work and the ideas you came up to overcome difficulties!
Love it - thanks for yet another perspective on the age old boxy thingy to hold stuff... you're certainly WORK
Good job, Mathias 👏 👍
Happy Wife, Happy life! 😊
I realized that I have been watching you for a while when you son walked by and I remember you announcing that Rachel was pregnant. thanks for teaching this old man.
Nice work and pockets holes makes many of us better that don't have your skills.
You remind me of Bruce banner from hulk. Your unfolding the band saw blades humor really sealed the deal
Very very nice wooden work fabulous matthis
I love the way you use box store wood to make projects to be proud of. Thank you.
The secret there really lies in using the jointer - you can't find 2 boards at the store that are straight these days
One hell of an indestructible piece of furniture. When you're done putting books on it you can use it as jack stands for an 18-wheeler.
It makes me feel better as a human to see someone else that has some clutter and mess in their house with kids. My wife and I have a hell of a time staying around of the cleaning around here. lol
2:24 The look on Mathias' son's face is priceless!
Pocket holes in those center rigid shelves are great. Almost better than any other option. If you ever want to move that shelf a little bit to accommodate a different spacing - boom, no problem. Just some small screw holes nobody is ever going to notice anyway. As a habitual non-committer, I love it.
I was waiting for you to jump onto that shelf to test the pocket holes haha!
I cannot believe I lived long enough to see the use of pocket holes on this channel.
Looks great. Glad you guys made it thru Covid ok. Take care and looking forward to more videos.
When doing these box joints , why didn't you do half the width, then flip the boards 180 degrees about the long axis, in essence making the cuts in from the bottom up , meeting in the middle ? Great video. I marvel at your creativity and ingenuity!
Dear Matthias, y enjoy very much your videos, great job every time. I noted a big mirror behind the bed. I stick a vinyl behind my mirrors, in case of breakage, they keep the pieces together.
Nice chunky shelf will last a long time.
Nicely done Matthias.
You could have used tapered sliding dovetail joints for the middle shelf.
As I was watching this video I suffered a stoke at 11:25 when you mentioned pocket holes. I am okay. it was a fake stroke...I got a hold of myself and got my bearings after I puled myself off the floor. I'm good...really.
Glad you and your family are feeling better :)
wow really amazed at the work that u put in .
You can't spell woodwork without work.
Yeah I really like box joints but you said it putting it together and getting ahead of the glue is a real chore sometimes.
But it looks like you accomplished the task you're a quick worker.
Thanks for your videos.
The key is to not make them too tight!
Legend is he is actually almost done with the honey-do list
"The manly thing is just to work faster." 😂😂😂
For middle shelf you could go really old fashion and drill through the sides and into the ends of shelf for dowels. :-)
There are slower drying glues but, I can see that you enjoy working under pressure
Hello there nice work as usual, I have a small question : couldn't you just reverse the position of the sides and tap and bottom to continue the box joint? Like flipping them 180° on the long axe and continue by referencing the bit to the last finger cut?
I guess it would be pretty difficult to line up those two sets of fingers to make them meet accurately in the middle.
Too much potential in misalignment and not worth the trouble for how little is gained by doing it. Book shelf still gonna last as it would otherwise
@@schm4704 if he started in the middle and worked down ...
first prop up the work piece so its middle point aligns with the middle position of the tool.
Those boards are horrendous, great job with what you bought.
Mr Wandel,
First…I love your videos…your ingenuity, creative approach and your ability to “use what you have on hand” is very inspiring…that said…good lord man why would you use 2x6 & 2x8 stock for a book case…for your children’s games…I mean, I could understand if they were reading Law Volumes or Encyclopedia collection from the 1960’thus requiring the added shelf strength …
Keep up the great work…look forward to your next build 😎
cause the other thickness would be 3/4", and that is too thin.
Let it be known that what you said at 8:55 earned my "Like" ^_^
/edit, now that I've finished the video: A beautiful piece - simple, sturdy, timeless. Always enjoyable to see what solutions you come up with. Your videos always make me eager to get back in the shop. Great work, sir.
I love pocket hole joints. Of course, I'm not a carpenter.
nice job !!
beautiful
Great project, as usual filled with much good advice. Maybe it's a silly question, but why didn't you flip the boards on the slot mortiser by 180 to add slots all the way through?
The second set of cuts wouldn't be aligned properly with the first set.
@@goose_asdf Thanks :) Maybe it would take some tweaking, but since this machine indexes everything by threaded turns I figured it might be be close enough.
@@goose_asdf say each cut was 5 spins apart on the gear. You could just flip the board, start from the last slot you cut (make sure the cutting bit fits in there perfectly), then do 5 spins of the gear from there and continue to the end of the board. Then it’s exact.
@@Macarthurmaintenance or better yet, don't worry about it. Do 5 spins to just shy of halfway, then flip and repeat. Your middle pin may be slightly thicker than the rest but who cares.
@@gordonbowe My thought exactly. But not being in the room it is so hard to say whether or not there was another reason not called out in the audio.
i dont feel as bad to use pocket holes now that I'm seeing matthias with 3 different finger join rigs and yet opting for pocket holes.
Perhaps you could make a Wandel equivalent to a Leigh jig that would give you the width needed for box joints, or other joints.
11:27
Through-Dowels from the outside! Dowels from the outside! Aaah! ;)
Mini Matthias!
Maybe some safety glasses for the kid around the planer.
Happy Wife.... Happy Life Or so they say !
I use a sliding dovetail to fit a shelf after de case is assembled and it ensures the thing Will never come appart, and it's not hard to make with a router.
You are far too intelligent to fall for the bs. Keep them chilluns safe from the corps that would do them harm. Love from the True South.
A build video? Wow, you sir, are a rebel! JK, thanks for the awesome content.
1 checked of the list, meanwhile writing down 10 more new ones 🤣🤣😂
Dowels from the outside 😀
What is that router base attachment gizmo we briefly saw? I am not sure I recall seeing a video on that.
new project higher slot mortiser😁👍
A sliding dovetail might have been less abomination-ish than the pocket holes
What about "pocket dowels"? Basically start with pocket holes and screws, but then pull each screw out one at a time and use the holes to locate and pilot the drill to replace the screws with dowels?
LMAO! "Another "Honey Do" project checked off the list". 😂😂😂😂 Terrific video.... 👍👍
I was just preparing a comment suggesting making shallow cuts from the side at full depth for the box joints to stop tear out, and then you go and think of it anyway. At least I feel validated.
Greeeat job
11:30 why not come in from the outside with much longer screws, recessed them and bung the holes. Much stronger I would think.
cause I didn't want to come in from the outside.
Fair enough, I was thinking dowels, but you'd see them from the outside of course.
@@matthiaswandel I understand that. Just thinking of a way to avoid using something that you despise.
Or use a router to cut a horizontal slot for the shelf to sit in. Even stronger.
Maybe gets more comments and thus more views later
Love the sturdy build. Is that you sitting on the pocket hole shelf there?
sooo where the tumbnail at. when you sit on the middle shelf. . . . try that on the pocket hole joinary
Das ist ja toll 😊 Oma ist da
Serious idea: why not pocket dowels?
Thanks for screwing it to the wall,
And when you checked it off the Honey-Do-List, you realized there were three new items added to the list.
Sir do you still hunt mice? You video on mouse trap is legend.
I watched that last night, and laughed way too much 🤣
Proof that you can never have enough clamps.
Pocket holes and construction lumber furniture... Matthias, have you been low key watching some Ana White?
Just lay your table saw on its side, then you don't have to worry about the boards being too long for your jig.
9:00 lol "work faster not smarter"
well, coming from you... You work "smarter" but often that is not faster!
lol in your latest video you can hear your family being audibly annoyed at how long you were taking to set up a raspberry pi, is that working smart or fast? or neither?
Why not use dowels through the sodes, for the spacer shelf?
you could have used the pocket hole jig to make holes for dowels ;)
You? Using pocket holes?! I would never think you'd go there. How come you didyuse dowels through the sides or even screws? Anything but pocket holes eh?
"The manly thing to do is just to work faster."
This guy only makes one trip to carry the groceries in from the car.
Could make some tips for you , but lovely !
Goodd👍👍
When I started watching the video I really thought Matthias was going to box joint the fixed shelf, and I was wondering how he was going to do all of those little rectangular mortices.
There are morticing drill bits, but idk if it's worth the headache to try and piece it all together.
@@poolymexcellent1373 agreed, but I bet we can also also agree that it's 99.9% certain that Matthias does not have a hollow-bit morticing setup.
I don't think it matters what glue you use, it's always a mad panic to get the joints put together!
Why did you not just use dowels to attach the middle shelf?
Can't do that on an already assembled carcass, which was when he put the shelf in.
@@adrianmack3 yes he could. Clamp the middle shelf in place. Then take a drill drill in from the outside of the side of the cabinet into the middle of the end grain of the shelf. Then just glue and Hammer in a dowel (I probably did a crappy job of explaining that.)
@@adrianmack3 PS someone said this and he answered it... He did not want anything coming in from the outside panel... So yeah he sort of answered my question too!
Will the 2-by boards sag if the 4 ft shelves are full of books? I know plywood will. My wife has a lot of books and I'm making a bookcase for those soon.
the shelf pins will fail first.
A stopped housing dado for the middle shelf, after the fact, would have been far better. You wouldn't have to lower your standards to such a low level. And it should have taken at most an hour for you. Your pride is worth at least an hour's time I would hope. You would only need 1/4" depth to get the strength needed.
Or, if the shelf was already cut to length (bad form on planning, but we have all been there), you could have used a spline.
Why did you not flip the parts on the mortiser?
Matthias, do you have a magic fix for planer snipe? Or do you just make it longer and cut to size like all us other plebes?
Nevermind, I saw you addressed it. Thank you.
he does. the little scraps he puts through before and after
Oma, huh? Always wondered what your German connection was. (With That name)
Who needs IKEA!?
👍👍👍👍👍👍
I thought that my planer was the only one that ate in the end
Someone get this guy ozenge!
Is there a reason you didn't use a 4" kick like in kitchen cabinets?
Kreg just got seriously dissed. Thanks Matthias.
Kids are low to the ground, so might as well have the lowers shelf low down
I understand why you don't like pocket holes, but at least the way in which you used them is the strongest. I doubt you own enough books to shear those eight screws.
I almost unsubscribed after the pocket holes....;)
i threw my laptop across the room.
😂😂😂😂
Are you going to live in that? It's as strongly built as a house.
Sorry to hear about your son's future myocarditis.
Awesome shelf! How hard do you think it would be to make one of these without specialised tools? What would you replace the box joint with?
The back can provide an enormous amount of strength, so even just screws in from the side would probably work. But a rabbet would be a nice option as well.
Don't need a box joint at all, it's kind of wasted in this application unless you really load the top of the bookcase
You could just nail a bunch of construction lumber together and it would do the job, just not as pretty.
@@MrJVH88 You may be surprised how soon a large rectangular frame will loosen and wobble.
Traditional case work would likely utilize rabbet joints top and bottom and dados for interior shelves. With patience and practice this can be accomplished with very few tools.
You are at a bit of a disadvantage. Rachel knows how inventive and skilled you are in the shop. She knows she could propose/suggest the damn near impossible and there is a good chance you will figure out how to do it.
Box joints on the box joint jig
Wow an abomination lol. I don't like them either, but those are some strong words.
keep in mind this is coming from the laziest guy in the world but, honest question: would cutting all the box joints by hand be out of the question? is that even a thing, hand-cut box joints? nice work by the way. (except for the pocket screws of course)
if you hand cut it, it's gotta be dovetails :)
It also starts getting pretty difficult to hand-cut joinery on pieces that long. I did dovetails on the end of a 6-foot board once. It was tricky to find a workholding solution...
I gasped when I saw you using POCKET HOLE JOINERY, but then laughed when you mentioned how much it pains you to do so. VERY impressive build as always, Matthias!
"an abomination" 😂😂
It was offset by the use of the manly glue.
Holy crap, we knew about "long covid", but no one ever mentioned it might lead to pocket hole acceptance!! In light of this new terrifying information, I suggest we shut everything down again and keep it that way... forever!
"Oh no, Mathias! What have you done?"
With a Darth Sidious voice, "Excellent. He has turned to the dark side. And in time.... he will come to like it."
I’m surprised you didn’t jump on it to test its strength! :) Btw, using clamp blocks to clamp longer stretch is so simple and brilliant. Thanks for the tip!
I was waiting for the Matthias leap myself!
He didn’t jump on it, but in the thumbnail he is sitting on one of the shelves😂
@@DBLRedRibbon the pocket-screwed one too, by the looks of it!
Matthias remains calm in the presence of drying glue, and a child in the workshop, even though this workshop is his livelihood. Impressive!
Well he can stay so calm because he speeds up time. The kid only had like, 10 seconds before he was done.