Is it Wrong to Fly? - Glad You Asked S1
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2020
- Air travel is a quintessential product of the fossil fuel era: It’s both highly convenient and difficult to replace with alternatives. Now as the impacts of climate change are becoming more urgent, a growing “flight shame” movement is prompting consumers to question their air travel. Glad You Asked host Joss Fong explores the ethical implications of flying in a world on the brink of crisis.
Key Sources:
Myclimate flight emission calculator
www.myclimate.org/fileadmin/u...
Observed Arctic sea-ice loss directly follows anthropogenic CO2 emission
science.sciencemag.org/conten...
Greenhouse Gas Emissions from a Typical Passenger Vehicle
www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/gre...
Carbon Footprint Calculations for Average Americans
externalassets.cooleffect.org...
Share of airplane trips by American adults
theicct.org/blog/staff/should...
Technological, economic and environmental prospects of all-electric aircraft www.nature.com/articles/s4156...
Maps of Greenland Ice Sheet
nsidc.org/greenland-today/
This is how global warming is reshaping Greenland
www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/0...
Contrail cirrus radiative forcing for future air traffic
www.atmos-chem-phys.net/19/81...
Hydrocarbon combustion
energyeducation.ca/encycloped...
The year in aviation: Billions of passengers, two high-profile accidents
www.usatoday.com/story/travel...
Boeing CEO: Over 80% of the world has never taken a flight.
www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/boein...
As Billions More Fly, Here’s How Aviation Could Evolve
www.nationalgeographic.com/en...
According to the annual Airlines for America report, 48 percent of travelers in the United States flew on an airline in 2017.
www.travelpulse.com/news/airl...
Climate change in the US will hurt poor people the most, according to a bombshell federal report www.cnbc.com/2018/11/26/clima...
Flygskam
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Pipistrel Alpha Electro
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Air Transport Action Group
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0:00 Intro
1:12 Flying High
2:30 Our Carbon Footprint
9:45 Flight Shaming
12:10 Electric Airplanes
16:42 Batteries Vs Fuel - Розваги
You averaged 10 flights EACH in a single year for non-work trips?! That’s more than my lifetime total.
Class divide, all of their parents are likely rich, and they have never known any other lifestyle.
Fr, I’ve been on a flight 4 times
poor soul, haven't flown practically anywhere :(
@@vesenx poor soul, haven't flown practically anywhere :(
Its not cuz of parents Vox pays for the flights
Vox: flying is bad
Also vox: let’s fly across the country to talk to a guy for a couple of minutes
Also vox: We're doing this flght to raise a documentary to get actual things changed
@@chillin5703 also vox: we couldn't find anyone in California to cover for us. We have deemed the internet is too toxic so we didn't even bother having a Skype call with the experts. Free flights ftw wohoo!
al dajjal shah e dunya
also you:
>ignores heavy possibility crew may have done other things in cali which may have required being present (this is one video in a series of premiums rn)
>ignores fact that the point of the video wasn’t even that one should not fly planes, but should be aware of the consequences
>ignores they likely would not have been able to get decent footage without actually going over to report on them
Vox: We know that the flight could have been accomplished with a couple of emails and a phone call and a local reporter, but since we supported a law that killed freelance work in California, we’ll send on a flight to prove how we shouldn’t be flying...
Did you watch it till the end?
I would've loved if they took the train or an alternative transportation to California. If you're reporting on more sustainable travel, it's a missed opportunity. You could've talked about the whole experience too and how mass flights have totally changed our perspective on distance and speed.
How long would it take to drive or take a train to Fresno to New York City? Time is important too!!
Trains or public transport doesn't exist in America. Everybody drives.
@@PASH3227 yeah, the reason I wouldn't take a boat to Sweden:
What employer will give me two weeks off for trip there, two weeks off to get back, that's a month of being in transit without even taking the time of actually staying in Sweden into account!
Plus, I would need 2 weeks worth of food supplies and surely the cost is more than what it would cost to fly! Especially flying within Europe itself where you can fly more than a thousand miles for £10!
What train runs from NYC to California?
@@MajorMlgNoob Amtrak does. It will take you 3 days to get there, though.
Calculation tool is missing 3 extremely important variables:
- the aircraft type your flying on
- the load factor of the aircraft your flying on
-amount of seating classes that the aircraft/airline operates
B737 MAX 8 uses 2.28L of kerosene per 100km (per passenger). Whilst it’s older brother the B737-800 uses 2.77L of kerosene per 100km (per passenger)
Both of these items are in a max seating config (200 seats for the MAX, 184 for the 737-800)
This means that it is better for the environment to fly a low-cost carrier (Ryanair or Southwest) as the CO2 emitted on these flights can be shared over more seats
Exactly
Yup
However with biggest airplanes like A380, 777 it could not be possible to have a full economy plane for mass reason. So you are almost forced to have some premium seats. In aviation the volume is a limitation but the biggest might be mass...
Therefore a first class passengers has not 5 times the impact
If we are talking about boeing 737 max 8 i think we should factor in the CO2 emitted by burning of the debris too.
I’m glad the comments still make good points.
@@alperakyuz9702 Hahaha....yep.
"Is it wrong to fly due to carbon emissions?"
*immediately flies 7000 miles to look at a well-documented airplane*
But maybe in so doing she has eliminated many thousands of unnecessary flights by raising awareness. And maybe people will consider electric transportation. As it is now, people drive oversized pickup trucks to their office jobs and run their car keys down the sides of other people's Teslas...
@@thePronto But is it really necessary for her to stand on an airfield next to the plane? They could just have hired a camera team in California for that segment. I'm glad this video was made, but the unnecessary flight right in the middle of it is a huge mistake.
The only REAL solution to the world’s energy problem that won’t cover every square mile in wind turbines is safe, clean, next-gen nuclear. Until the climate crisis alarmists start talking about nuclear as THE answer and not just “part” of the answer...I am changing nothing that I do. Because if you are not going to start doing the one thing that CAN solve the problem...don’t ask me to make sacrifices.
@@BrianReplies Climate change is a multifaceted problem. Yeah, I agree that nuclear energy is the gold star in energy, there's other problems as well that need solving. Such as deforestation, as an example.
Brian Kurtz u sound like a child. American right?
I don't mean to sound like a nerd or anything, but a "square meter of ice" is absolutely meaningless. They should've used a volume unit of measurement like a cubic meter or liter.
A square meter of ice of infinite thinness
I think what she could have meant was, square meter of ice lost as observed from an aerial view / satellite. Hence the depth might not be accurately known to give a volumetric measurement...
@@IjtabaHussain I don't think so because if that massive area of melted ice is observable from space we'd be doomed.
The woman in the video compared it to cubic meters. They just used square meters to make it easier to see and understand
Don't worry, all the multi-year ice has melted. The little that's left is basically the same thinness.
Vox: Is it bad to fly?
Coronavirus: *YES*
No corona says no
@Fernas Zaidan (617ferzaid) no.
@@Julianna.Domina do you accept uwu
@@tatotenaglia6548 No(Wo)
Or rather "No! Bwahahahaha" while rubbing the hands he doesn't have but gotcha point. It's true the bug changed a lot.
A critical part of this has been missed out: Flying is the most efficient fossil fuel process we have today. Your car has to do 150 mpg to do better than a jet engine (or 25 mpg with 6 passengers). If you replace flying with another fossil fuel engine than you're damaging the environment even more. ALSO IMPORTANT: All batteries have a 'theoretical maximum density' based on thermodynamics and so that line of improvement will not continue to go up. The most weight efficient cell on the horizon today is Lithium Sulphur - theoretical maximum 5 times higher than current Li-NMC bu 2.5 times in practice and tiny lifetime.
@Speechless thats too slow
Logic and science has no place here.
@Speechless Such extreme solutions haha but I agree it will get to this point if we cannot figure these problems out fast.
@@johneurek8181 Despite how uplifting Vox videos can be, this how I feel sometimes watching them: speak to a real scientist Vox
Solution boat travel
i’m sorry, so on average you guys each had 10+ flights a year that weren’t for work?
She said they had 84 flights in total and that half were for work, that leaves us with 42 non-work flights. Each had ~10 non-work flights, but remember that you have to go and come back, so that's 5 trips each (not counting that they probably had some transfers). It's still more than most people
(besides what the person above me said) Living in LA (I believe Vox is in LA?) Would mean many of the Vox workers probably moved to LA from somewhere else, so would more likely need to go on planes to visit home.
The main problem is that America is such a big country that any travel method that isn't flight is just too long to be practical. So we need the US to be broken into many smaller European sized countries that will hate each other enough to not fly to them
@@Lanosrep Well, that's one way to fix the problem. America has guns though. Making people hate others probably isn't that... safe. 😅
@@Lanosrep One could argue investment into high-speed trains would be a great solution, but it's politically difficult due to the ubiquity of the aviation and automotive lobbies, plus the costs of building that infrastructure; not to mention that new air routes only need an airport at the destination / point of origin, not a track that runs through people's backyards.
"There is no good alternative for flying"
Laughs in European
Trains
If you mean rail, then no rail isn't a good alternative. Its much slower and needs to be heavily subsidized to work.
Cries in Australian
You can’t take a train from nyc to la
@@eldiantre7346 Except it isn't, considering the time it takes to get to an airport, wait for the flight, arrive to the destination, leave the airport and get to the city centre, trains are faster, especially with short-medium distances. You don't need to be in the station 2 hours before departure and you'll go from city centre to city centre. It does need to be subsidized, but not "heavily".
Is it wrong to fly?
me and other people that are into aviation: *this is going to hurt...*
Riiz naaa I love flying
@@aquillas.g.8637 good to hear :D
@@aquillas.g.8637 xD
i won't stop flying until it's illegal
About as bad as driving, and the fuel efficiency is getting better.
So planes will probably stay longer than fossil fuel cars.
"Its so like totally bad you guys uhh"
Corona virus: "Dont worry I can help reduce those emmisions."
I’m confused about why this was done in terms of square meters as opposed to cubic meters? Would be interesting to see this with context about the depth AND area of ice that has melted.
Yes I had the same thought. This is very confusing to me.
Because in sience, the metric system is the standard:-)
Area doesn't say anything
@@nemozi6908 the cube is metric! a 3rd square.
@@nemozi6908 thats not what he said genius
Me who never flown or drivin and don't eat more than 10 kilo's of meat a year
Laughs in poor
😂😂😂😂Me too but I am sure we eat 10 kilos of meat a year because nowadays meat is everywhere and even if you can't afford it there is always a cheap alternative 😂
Lken Ken american pork is cheap and generally trash
Ive never flown but i drive alot
Umm, you're truly not the shiniest knife in your family's kitchen drawer.
YOU ARE NOT POOR
I loved the visualisation with the blankets. Such a creative and impactful way to show how much damage flying can do. I'm glad everyones blankets will be much smaller this year and hopefully we can continue this trend into the way we travel after this crisis.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
I love how she flies to cali but she couldnt just Skype the guy. Tf. You wasted all that time money and co2 when you coulda skyped.
Or taken a train....
Oh shoot. She's the one responsible for global warming. Let's arrest her. Come on man
Dude, Vox flew her out there so they could film the Pipstrel flying a training route.
You know...so the rest of us don't have to fly out to Cali and do that in person...
Mitchell.....none of the big shots that attend the "climate discussions" Skype either....they fly...on private jets. Just them and their servants.
Why are you measuring the melted ice in squared meters? Ice is 3d object it should be cube meters.. I have no clue how to interprete that data like this
Raffaele Piccini correct. It would be a fallacy otherwise.
I think it's the area shrunken, like how you measure the shrinkage or expansion of a country
Also, did they divide the number of people on the plane?
TajiLM no it’s not how it works, ice can be different thickness around the different parts of ice chunks and from chunk to chunk.
@@tomkaidalov6345 You're right, I'm just saying I think area (not volume) of ice sheets, like a country, is what they are trying to achieve
All I hear is “we all must make sacrifices for the climate (except for stuff I like of course)”
That's the very heart of climate change isn't it? We all suffer from the effects of global warming, but no individual (in the sense of country) wants to be the one to implement policy change (eg, 2 maximum flights per year, 1000 mi air travel a year, etc). Because if Country A does that, and Country B and C doesn't, then Country A is just getting the short end of the stick. Classic Tragedy of the Commons problem really. Which is why we need a strong organisation to impose this on everyone to make sure we all play by the same rules. Which doesn't exist. I think it's lovely that Vox made this video, but of course there is no call to action for this anyway. The only response we got from their staggering 84 flights statistics was "Yea we should do better", or "Something for Vox to think about". I think this is a perfect example of the problem. We should let others think about this rather than take responsibility for our own individual actions to fly.
@@centrist3684 "Somehting for Vox to think about"
literally five minutes later: "Let's fly to California for absolutely no reason!"
Lol on point. This channel is a farce. Still, nowadays people do like this "entertainment?"
@@lucabernardini3975 self entitlement breeds narcissism. I'm going to fly half way across the country to talk about energy alternative. LIKE BRUH WHAT YOU NEED IS SCIENTISTS. AND IM PRETTY SURE YOU COULD WHIP UP A SKYPE CALL TO DISCUSS SOLUTIONS TO THE CURRENT PROBLEMS?
Typical left wing hypocrisy!
I have flown twice in the last 4 years so it is quite bizarre to be lectured about flying by a Vox team that has taken 84 flights in just the last year, and another one to make this video.
Not doubting the importance of the situation, but still.
I love how you guys use the blanket, the iron weights and the scaled models to show data. Really helps to understand the concept
Looks like vox needs to look into why their people need to fly so much and to see if they can reduce that.
They don't. That's not the point. If people need to travel, we need to find better options for travel.
@@shitlordflytrap1078 Better options?
Anthony is there any better option to travel far without flying currently? I dont think so.
@@shitlordflytrap1078 No need for options if we keep long travel a very ponctual thing .......
reporting and documentation do need getting all the way to the field tho, like Vox Border
Vox: "Is it wrong to fly?"
Aviation Enthusiasts: "So you have chosen death."
flying... it more like gliding.... death only need to happen once...
My fly shame when you can change
*Angry pilot noises*
I am an aviation enthusiast and I think flying 10 times a year is too much. I also think it would be great if there was an alternative to flying which would be better for the environment
CAKE OR DEATH!
Ah yes, I love showing awareness on why we shouldn't fly by flying.
@Violinist 1 that's not what the video argues........
@@MajorMlgNoob But it comes off like that.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
Meat seems to be way to small, I assume that's because they only looked at CO2 emissions and did not consider CH4 (Methane), which is much more harmful. One also needs to consider the land used for meat production and the deforestation caused by it.
yeah, things really got much much more complicated when we look at its life cycle
Yeah I was also quite shocked to see meat being so underestimated in their blanket analogy
Methane is not a permanent addition to the atmosphere, it breaks down after about 10 years.
@HeartMagnet The "mEaT LoBbY" isn't going to target some UA-cam video.
Also heavily depends on the kind of meat
Me: I want to travel
VOX: I FLY 40 TIMES A YEAR AND YOU SHOULDNT
How true.
That's literally not what they said. Did u watch the video?
40 flights a Year? I am 55 years old and I’ve flown 18 times in my lifetime. The rest of my vacations were cruises on ships and I’ve taken trains and drove across the United States.
So I guess if you fly 40 times a year means you have a job that requires travel.
@@AP-kk4ys Last year I flew 20 times and I'm just a college student who doesn't travel for work. I image 40 times per year isn't that many
@@AP-kk4ys cruises ship are as bad as flight for CO2 emissions, you'll informations easily
,imagine being one of the people who got a small donated blanket that says“M E A T”
Spicy Official
Imagine being donated a 40 m^2 blanket
What do you even do with that? Cut it up into 20 normal blankets?
@@alexismisselyn3916 one word... fort.
😂
The words were “written” with black duct tape
@@michaelbellenger4925 pu
Shows how much ice they melt
Next day: “i have to go on a flight for work”
One word: Plutocracy. Don't blame them
A better video title: “Is it wrong for Us at Vox to fly?”
Keezer ur at 69 so im not liking
I feel it’s better to be accountable for our actions, and Vox would get respect points for owning up to their flight usage and changing their behavior. Let’s see if they switch to taking trains to do reporting after making this video. Imagine if they took a stance and did that! I understand this is entertainment and they may not actually care deeply about the topic. I’ve seen youtubers who actually care about making a difference in the world. Those people rock.
@@keezer4346 9
Do you fly? At least vox does for a good cause.
@@keezer4346 I believe they are based in the US, there is no railway system to speak of and a company can hardly pay their employees for the 4 days it would take them to go to the other side of the country and 4 days back. That is simply not a realistic change.
If they want to change they need to change their way of reporting. But they are using the method of going to location, because it works. See the problem here?
Glider pilots watching this video:
**Laughs in wind and rising air**
*Edit* : for those commenting about the tow plane, I know of a few self launch electric gliders that charge via solar energy
How do gliders get into the air? What is the most fuel inefficient part of a flight? I ask for enlightenment...
@@tsuchan oof
@@tsuchan gliders sometimes take off via another plane, which would still be emmiting quite some CO2, although in my experience most gliders take off by a long rope that gets pulled in. This, I imagine, wouldn't be such an impact
tsuchan1 There is no “inefficient” fuel part of a fligt, as gliders don’t use engines (except the self take off capable gliders) but they do use a tow plane which ties them to 400 meters average, which produces co2
@@haraldschevik5213 don't need a tow plane
84 flights between 4 people, in a single year, and HALF were work related? So, the other half were personal? I'm a software developer in my mid 40s, I'm not wealthy but I'm not poor either ... I can't even begin to identify with a lifestyle that involves SO MUCH leisure air travel. "Right" or "wrong", you folks need to realize your lives and your use of air travel are not normal. If this feels normal to you, it's time to step out of your bubble.
While I agree, it does seem they counted each stop as a separate flight. So on average 84 / 4 = 21 flights per person / 2 for work flights = 10.5 personal "flights" per year per person. But we already saw a few flights with obvious layovers drawn on the map. So if we assume 1 layover on average per travel, that's "only" 5 flights, or 2.5 return trips per person per year. That's still a lot, and I think it goes to show how much impact even a "single trip" can have, but at least that number makes it sound more understandable.
Indeed. I'm 38, also a programmer and with a decent paying job,, and even counting every leg as a separate flight, I've flown a total of 6 times in the last 10 years. And that's the problem with all this hand wringing: half the time the people screaming that we all need to reduce our level of activity X are the ones who are doing the most of it.
It also depends on where you live. I live in Ireland so being an island, a lot of travel involves taking a flight. One year I took over 100 flights excluding business travel because it was cheaper for me to take a four hour flight to the canary islands every weekend and lie on the beach than go out for a meal in my home city.
I don't do that anymore (in fact I haven't flown for a few years now), but it's a surprisingly easy habit to fall into especially if you live near a hub airport with below €20 flights to all of europe. I've offset my past use by planting hundreds of acres of land I own with trees and my current carbon footprint is sub 10 tons per year.
Man, get over yourself. These are just 5 trips. Or even less with layovers. It's more than most people but it's not unheard of. I don't live in my home country anymore and if I want to see my family 3 times a year, I would nearly fly as much as them.
@@hanagreg WOW, one of thoses "im gonna do what the F*&%! I want people".....why bother commenting no one's talking to you.
They actually measured the amount of melting arctic ice in SQUARE meters...
I wish the US had a convenient, affordable rail system. I would love to take train rides here, but they're so expensive and slow it makes no sense
These people emitted more CO2 for this video than an average person emits in a month
Yep. I haven’t been on a plane since 2003.
True strength is in the sound guy’s perseverance
~
How to skip school:
Sorry Im late teacher. It took me 3 weeks of walk to reach school.
@@juanitapardoisidororasgado5398.... well spoken😂😂
Amy Puerto
@@juanitapardoisidororasgado5398 Honestly I think we should
Buy a bike!
This is amazing! I'm amazed by how well the show is put together!!! Great job guys!!!
Me nervously watching this as a pilot.
Same.
Good thing is harbor Air is pushing to an electric fleet
Bruh
You're part of the problem.
Same as cabin crew
Same as a person in a long distance relationship
The sound guy is a literal representation of production problems. Iconic.
This is really good. I love that you guys had props to help us understand the numbers and visualize the quantities you mentioned.
The camera work and editing in this piece is beautiful - great production!
Anyone else bothered by them claiming it to be possible to measure melting ice in square footage
Why is that a problem? A cubed foot might be more accurate, but am area is still valuable
@@owenrodgers8020 I don't feel like area is a valid measurement here. What does 1 m^2 of ice melting mean? 1 m^2 of ice melting seen from an aerial view? That can't be it, because it based on their data, year worth of planes would melt every bit of ice. So then what does it mean?
@@owenrodgers8020 if that form of measurement is accurate we've already melted all the ice on the planet 😂
No I'm bothered by the fact that they didn't check their data beforehand and realize that we are the end of a so-called Ice Age not the beginning of one. And that there have been many so called ice ages before this thst have come and gone on this planet.
Uneducated
The problem as an European is cost. Taking to train from Copenhagen to Madrid is a lot more expensive than flying
and it takes A LOT longer
Beebzie not necessarily. The flight itself may take only an hour but driving to the airport checking in and waiting at the gate may take up to 3-4 hours depending on where you live.
Beebzie time is irrelevant really. Europeans have enough of that. I agree om the cost though, it’s often several times more expensive to travel by train
That's so sad. If I bought an airplane ticket for next week to London, it would be a lot cheaper than taking the train or sometimes even the bus.
I know it's expensive but it's the right thing to do, if you reduce the amount of vacations you have, you'll be able to afford the train, that's what I did, also if you book long enough in advance you'll be saving half of the money
Flight shaming made me laugh. It must be a delightful privilege to have choices. If my continent had a train system as advanced as the EU, heck! I won’t be flying too.
Or maybe you don't need to travel as much.
Maybe we should completely stop taking flights just for a weekend.
And when I say "we" I mean rich people because poor people don't fly (which shows that it's not really necessary and that we could all fly less because flying is a privilege).
But I agree it's a bigger sacrifice than eating less meat or using less heating. It's also the most useful to reduce your carbon footprint.
I'm in Europe in Serbia, we don't even have rail roads just one and no one uses it :(
Flying doesn't have an alternative. Everything else does.
Flying alone won't destroy the planet.
What do you think about airships?
pedro beato that’s fax
If the entire planet goes vegan it slows global warming by 25% cause the meat/ livestock industry produces so much carbon emissions
@@sachinpatel7891 how about we do a massive increase in geothermal heating to reduce propane and natural gas usage and make a massive shift into nuclear power plants to completely stop using petroleum for electricity production.
Boats exist you know
So you mean all those times I took Amtrak because it was cheap, I could've gotten social media praise? Missed opportunities man
Casey Neistat: hold my first class ticket
spends 20 mins taking a shower in a granite bathroom in a flying studio apartment then spends an hour at his destination before returning.
@@jimmyryan5880 and then promotes team trees
You realize Casey rarely drives a car, he either cycles or boosted boards everywhere. If he does drive it's a Tesla. Of course the battery power for his boosted board and Tesla is probably from fossil fuels, some of it is solar power. In the end his environmental impact is probably pretty close to ours.
theyoutubechannel pls don't even try to defend him. he sounds like he is aware of environmental issues. he might even compensate his co2 emissions. still he is miles beyond any avarage consumer. just think of all the international flights he takes to give speeches.
Exactly. He's PERSONALLY responsible for climate change at this point.
Hydrogen fuel cells are another possibility for long term flights.
It's difficult to compress and the problem probably won't be solved before 2030
The reason I wouldn't take a boat to Sweden:
What employer will give me two weeks off for trip there, two weeks off to get back, that's a month of being in transit without even taking the time into account of actually staying in Sweden!
Plus, I would need 2 weeks worth of food supplies and surely the cost is more than what it would cost to fly! Especially flying within Europe itself where you can fly more than a thousand miles for £10!
Vox: Is it wrong to fly?
Aviation enthusiasts: No, no and no
And another thousand times no!
well to be honest, I love planes but I fly less then one time a year, and not because I can't afford it, I rather take the train if its possible
@@MrJimheeren Trains are just as expensive if not more in some cases than commercial flying
@Andrew Battersby Very true
@Andrew Battersby better to spend our money on clean electricity generation than to take inefficient transport
This is irresponsible journalism. Without talk in cubic meters their numbers are worthless.
Lord Ryder btw, did somebody realized how much cubic meters they meant? Or which height of the blankets they meant?
This is not journalism.
Exactly
Yeah it doesn't make any sense. Ice is three dimensional.
Global warming doesn’t cause melting of sea ice or fires nasa said this the temperature change is less than 1/10 of a degree
Never flew in 2019
Drove 6k miles in 2019 in a vehicle averaging 30 mpg
I had no options to sail across concrete in 2019
Sorry, Greta
I love the way your team works, the production is very creative and engaging 🙌
Me: has a 13 hour flight that’s departing in 12 hours
My yt recommendations: Is it wrong to fly?
No worries. It's not wrong to fly.
It is
It is but now you can't do anything about it, try to fly less in the future, ok? That would make me very happy 😊
It isnt, actually its better than driving, it makes less emitions, there is less of a chance to crash + nowadays more and more planes are becoming more and more efficient
It's inevitable.
We need to fined more efficient ways to consume, not to produce.
Or we need to slow down. For 3 (piston engines) or 10 (Zeppelines) times.
Can I get clarified on volume of ice instead of area
I agree, using the area is very ambiguous
I thought I was the only one who found that rather vague. Ice is thin, sure, but it's definitely NOT 2 dimensional 😂!!!
I see a few folks with a healthy offering between their ears here.
Nice observation. Probably the researchers are using a predefined depth, and doesn't matter much since the area melted it's just a visual clue.
I've tried to search the original paper but had no luck.
consider it the square area of sea surface that lost ice cover, important, as the more sea ice lost the quicker the ocean warm up
I love how interactive this was. Very impressionable.
Ok wait but for real. This type of video is so cool. Well filmed, edited, composited, rendered, and purposed.
And after making this video, these guys are gonna still fly, maybe even more, this year too.
Prove it
@@owenrodgers8020 Its called business.
On the face of it everyone talks as if they care, but in the end all everyone cares about is their business and money.
The goal is to make the viewers think about how their travel choices affect the environment. It's doing a lot more good. You're intentionally missing the point.
@@fn3516 this person is just pointing out the hypocrisy. Nothing wrong with that.
@@fn3516 viewers who fly maybe once in 1 or 2 years time.
I would have liked to see a comparison of different modes of transportation over certain various distances (without initially considering the time taken)
Like travelling from NYC to LA in car vs flight vs train
A flight would cause significantly less damage than getting a train or car from NYC to California.
@@JamieR1988 no, just no
@@flofian678
Yes, just yes.
There have been numerous studies done.
One of the most interesting is the fact that in London it would cause less damage to the environment if every subway/tube passenger got a jet to work instead of the underground trains.
Not everything you read is true mate. Always doubt everything and go look into what people say.
Especially anything posted on Vox lol
@@JamieR1988 "Not everything you read is true mate"
@@JamieR1988 Care to share any of these studies you've read?
They should have made a blanket for Johnny from borders XD
So one of the things that wasn't evaluated as an alternative fuel source for planes is something like Hydrogen which only adds water vapour to the atmosphere, it is an extremely energy-dense thing that can compete with gasoline. Now the electricity for the planes, of course, can be generated naturally and so can the electricity for creating Hydrogen. This is a much more feasible option as it will lighten over the length of a flight, unlike a battery. Also, gasoline never launched us into space but hydrogen did, just need to commercialize it.
How are they currently producing hydrogen now? I do believe the current most efficcient way is through burning fuel now.
why didnt you just skype the electric plane guy
Imagine everyone sailing across the ocean.
I know, imagine. Think aboudit..
it would take too long
Yes I can. How do you think people got to other countrys before steam or fuel.
Natalie Richardson aright Natalie, you get a boat next time.
@@natalierichardson7317 before steam or fuel...
" but its not about any individual " *dividing all the blankets for every individual*
Joss you make the best videos of all the interwebs !!
"Is it wrong to fly?"
It is all Wright to fly. I mean, just ask them
Genius 🤣
I love the Phoenix Wright series. They do fly a looooot XD
debish vebish wish cane and
I want to dap u and punch you at same time
Santos Dumont
It seems like senior Research scientist Julienne Stroeve is using wrong math to find out melting ice,
It should be in meter cube not in meter square.
They all are!!! You might forgive one slip. 5:30 “so that’s the square footage?” 12 square feet of ice is literally none. How many square meters can fit inside a meter cubed? Subtlety slipped in that they would donate the blankets. Jesus I feel myself getting older and more bitter for every second I watch.
so great I'm afarid of flying :D I was about 6 times in a plane in my entire life (21 years) and ALWAYS travel by train (it's such fun!), which is quite good here in europe/germany. my parents also never had a car and I was pretty ashamed of that when I was younger, because it made me feel poor, but now I'm proud of them.
LOL @ the ad for vacation travel from Expedia right in the middle of this video.
Germany: invest in renewables, ban old diesel cars
Elon Musk: make renewable sources and electric cars
Vox: let's swim across the Atlantic?
Elon Musk doesn't really care about the climate, mate.
@Andrew Battersby yeah let's let ourselves be controlled by fear of that highly unlikely scenario, mate
Germany are making things worse by shutting down Nuclear plants for purely political reasons and they're being replaced by Coal stations
@@Jamcad01 Yeah, Fukushima was shut down for political reasons as well. And Tschernobyl was a political meeting that flew over Europe in 1986.
@@lodiped as well as 90% of the planet.
When Vox realizes where their devices come from: “is it wrong to own devices?”
Is it wrong to live? :)))
turns out there's no ethical consumption under capitalism
@@Hankyman583 What kind of a system would you like then? Communism?
@@joonatan3474 yes
Hannes Königsmann I think you got it... Now scale those numbers. That’s way more than I thought and I’m not sure that includes the hydrocarbons used to produce. The segment even says that 12% of population fly yet a larger percentage buy and use devices on a yearly basis. They also all wear clothing and guess where the majority of that comes from. You can’t compare one device with one flight without scaling. The point is, this is a virtue signaling segment with a common sense answer.
The music is always awesome.. Especially in this video when the plane fly
Vox: Stop flying, it is bad...
Birds: Am I a joke to you?
you created more footprint by having such large huge polyester blankets. LOL..
I created more footprint this morning running on mud
@@shishirgurung4427 😂
Can we just appreciate the sound guy for running and providing us with the best audio😂
Siddhant Desai what a legend 😆
Siddhant Desai I hate people like you. People who write “can we just do this”. You can do whatever you want and stop trying to tell other people to just appreciate something. Plonker.
@@bnap3221 tf?
I don't even comment on videos but I actually thought the scene was pretty funny. Idc if an internet stranger hates me.
Thanks for talking about battery limitations. Hopefully this encourages more interest in battery tech.
I wish just once these shows could end with, "Yes, you should feel guilty for flying. Make big change now." Emissions are worse for a single person in a car, but greyhounds are almost always full. Well, pre-pandemic. That adds a whole new dimension. But if planes can have great air filtration, which they do, buses could be made to have good air filtration.
We need to get people pushing HARD for the development and forced implementation of clean energy flight. It's not true that we are very far from having that technology. AirBus has released their designs for hydrogen jets that they want in use by 2035. There is a company called Otto redesigning the private jet so it can run on the same fuel as a car. And there are smaller electric private jets in development too. Go look up all these things to familiarize yourself. But the government needs to stay HEAVIILY INVESTED in seeing these things come to fruition and implemented ACROSS THE BOARD. That pressure on the governments need to come from the people!!
Entire world:
Vox: glad you asked
As a guy who lives in Spain since he was born, I find very difficult (knowing our political complications) to recommend this channel to my friends, without hearing them say "Really? Do you follow Vox?" :/
Manuel Fernández García i never made the connection. Thanks for that :)
Why what's vox in Spain?
@@RK-ep8qy far right party lol
@@jonashubotter6686 that is quite funny
Jonas Hübotter Hopefully they’ll come to power soon.
Wow the production quality is amazeballs!
How about solving the take-off weight issue with assisted take off just like the ones on aircraft carriers? Would that be possible?
The people lecturing us on flying seem to use private jets a lot. 🙃
They went on commercial flights, not private
Macaroon_Nuggets not vox people like Leonardo decaprio who fly on private jest and then preach about the environment
Smechulock Reehimbe yeah, but that’s still not Vox.
Well I considered swimming all the way to Australia but later changed my mind.
Yeah, I thought about hitchhiking to the opposite side of the states to see my parents, but I also decided against it. 🙃
I wanted to walk from Australia to New Zealand but it caused problems so I sadly had to stop :(
This is why a lot of documentary companies used to hire local people to do a lot of camera work and local production for shots. Well, really it was cost, but still, a practice that should be brought back.
Thank you very very much for your hard-working to create this wonderful video. I like it.
I wish we never destroyed our Trains in America.
Europe: Hahahahahahahahah
Trains aren't that great. They cost more, take a lot longer, and aren't that much better for the enviroment once you remember all the second tier services the trains need emit CO2 as well.
Basically take that experience of sitting in coach with the screaming kid five rows back, and duplicate it at ground level, but for 5 times longer, for twice as much, with constant stops and starts where anyone can walk away with your luggage.
Trains don’t cost more
good response Marco, if you use your real name you get credit maybe publicly for a good response maybe not , maybe all air travel should be banned until they come up with something different it would be interesting probably comedic, then Pelosi and clan would stay home more, the infrastructure is already there ' run rails in the pavement on I-80 ' or all roadways if they're electrified electric cars would completely take over eventually, trucks too.
@Andrew Battersby True for freight. Not for passengers.
@@userJohnSmith you people(humans) shouldn't be traveling any faster than the freight cars
We took the train from Minneapolis to San Francisco; and actually really enjoyed it. Yes it takes longer; but you also meet many interesting people while enjoying the beautiful scenery. Compared to flying it has a luxury element, with lots of leg space and even a dinner cart.
(train will be much easier to be electrified).
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This video seems a bit brief in the conclusion. Yes, we live a in a system that is powered by fossil fuels and it is impossible to escape it; but simply not acknowledging your responsibility is too easy. First of all we need system change; but if you think you can buy your way out of it by taking direct flights, offsetting and flying economy we are wrong as a collective. We need immediate reduction, only take the absolute necessary flights, and push for an urgent transition in our system.
it's not really fossil fuels personally got Harvin and stuff in it that should say carbon but it's not I'm dead plants or animals they proved that was a hoax back when I first started pulling oil out of the ground I just found out the other day they done that to make it same like we could run out of oil one day so they can keep the prices High which is really not a surprise. Cheers mate!
Wait the train you took wasn't electrified yet?
@@Krabiator I was going to say wait that chair you're about to sit down in isn't electrified yet! Hahaha. It's got to be funny are they ain't worth it
then we took the 405 cause we don't know we like Californians
what a dictator
I really like this chapter of vox...good group with cool ways to show the facts👍keep it up guys
Though the statistics is not as accurate like the data is not measured in volume as it should be...still I liked the video because of her outstanding effort to simplify data. Great video
*Vox* : Is it wrong to fly?
*Me* : about to board a plane
OT7RM in bussinsen class
Germany Deutschland you spying on me?
Everyone should stop flying immediately. Except for me, I really need to.
Y?
I'll start a gofundme account to buy you a private jet
Nice presentation keep it up one suggestion i would like you to produce database on countries like you did based on car, personal airtrip like that if you could produce database on national level so that which country producing more greenhouse Gas it will make huge impact
Keep the good work i am in adminstration i see what i can do
Nice video ! I have a tip : do you remember hidrogen cars ? It would be great if you could make a video about the possibility of having hidrogen powered planes - a friend of mine who is am engineer said that this would really be a possibility but not enough companies are looking into it.
0:24 vox :and the number of passengers is expected to double in the next 20 years but there's just one problem...
me: *expecting she would say we won't reach another 20 years
yeah ;(
Lol why wouldn't we reach another 20 years?
@@Suedocode iran wanting to bomb everyone maybe
@@xaifer2485 *American warhawks wanting to bomb everyone.
@@Potz4pizza iran thinking they are strong because others told them how to make neucluer weapons
84 flights in a year??!!! The most anyone I know has taken in a year is like 8
And I got an ad from Emirates AIrlines while watching this...
this was really well done! It would have been cool if they took a train or bus for their long trip though!
Getting an airline ad before this, the irony...
@@MichaelUA-camr yeah sure buddy
@@MichaelUA-camr ok science denier
@Trung Thien Dao bruh water vapor is a greenhouse gas
@@wanthun2699 bruh
@@jaojao1768 bruh don't be so lame. Use your brain
the sound man by the end made me laugh hard.
5:47 you are forgiven my dude 👌
All things aside from this video, here in the USA there is so much to see between here and there!
Also I could drive my diesel pickup for 10 years on one airplane's tank of fuel there is that too.