"You can see the world!" *6 months later sitting in a hole in the California desert* *6 months later sitting in a hole in the Carolina wilderness* *6 months later sitting in a hole in the Romanian countryside* Repeat until end of active service.
Same. I don't regret going in, but now I'm getting closer to retirement age, and seeing how those low income numbers affect my social security check. I made like $10,000 my first year in the Navy. LOL. To be fair, I wasn't likely to make any more on the outside at age 18, but still those numbers are low considering what I actually did in the Navy.
@@jimmym3352 "Lifers" in military service do okay with a military pension BUT if you're in for 4, get out, don't get a degree and the military didn't give you an in-demand skill? Now THAT'S a problem because sometimes people just aren't paid what they're worth on the outside.... ...Isn't that right Jeff Bezos? (wait, that's "not fair" after those workers saw their wages DOUBLE from just the Federal Minimum Wage when it looked like Bernie had momentum to get THE LAW to mandate a living wage). It's a meat grinder world right now. I equate military service with porn for young pretty girls. Use em and lose em BUT "at least both get well funded"!
In 1993, I tried to join the Marines. I was "guaranteed" a job and E-3 in the recruiter's office and was in the Delayed Entry Program for 9 months waiting for my job to open. I did all the required weekly meetings, PT and all the other nonsense with my recruiter. Out of the blue, my ship date moved up 6 weeks because a new slot opened. The day my I'm supposed to ship, at MEPS, I talk to the recruiter and liaison officer, everyone seems happy, and get handed a stack of papers, a pen and told to sign - and be quick about it as others are waiting. I was 19 years old and not that smart, but I had a tiny bit of common sense - I read the contracts. Instead of my "guaranteed" job and rank, I was Infantry and E-1. When I questioned why this was different than what I/we agreed to, I was told that I no longer qualified. That's when I realized why the ship date was moved up and I asked my recruiter why he didn't tell me, he just looked at me. That's when I put the pen down, and said, I'm not signing as that's not what we agreed to. Mind you, this was about 90 minutes or so, before I'm supposed to be on a plane to MCRD. They were NOT happy! So much for the integrity, they pride themselves and demanded of me. The NCOIC at MCRD actually called my house and asked what happened. - I told him and, supposedly, my recruiter got transferred. Long story short, I was offered another job.and turned that down, too. I had felt bad for not joining for a long time but as I got older and see/saw what happened to Vets, I have NO REGRETS!
Spending that time to read the contract seems to have legitimately saved your life. It's crazy to think that someone else may have signed it without reading and ended up way worse off.
@@oldnatty61 Exactly. But once you sign, they own you. In the Russian and some other post-Soviet armies they demonstrate that by beating up the new recruit as soon as the pen has left his hand (not a moment sooner, though, so as not to risk losing the pen). Not too seriously, in order not to put him out of action as that would be a waste of government resource, but they will ensure the new guy knows where he is.
Teenagers: The government says that you're not mature enough to smoke or drink but they'll put weapons in your hands and let you go kill for oil... I mean to protect your country. Yep, the recruiter got me too when I was young.
Shit, They Almost Killed Me and Around 100 others First Week of Basic Training in 92. The Required/Mandatory Shots were Bad/Infected. We didn't even Finish Basic because of it. And gave me size 10 Boots for my Size 13 Feet and wondered why I was in Constant Pain.
Nothing changed. I had same experience in ‘99. Everyone expected a particular MOS and sign on bonus, but everyone’s MOS was mysteriously changed to something without a sign on bonus.
These days, yes. Back before Congress started passing no-bid appropriations they were lowest bidder who could still deliver durability. Today it’s exactly what you say. Lowest bid lowest quality.
For those wondering WHY military-grade means 'made by the lowest' bidder, this is because in the early 2000s, the Army was working on developing a new camo pattern that would be a bit more general purpose and modern, spending some 5 billion dollars in making one they liked called Desert Brush. Then at some point the generals saw Marines marching around the Pentagon in fancy digital camo and said 'That's cool! I want that too! So we can be fighting in the future instead of the past!' So the Generals then, at random, chose a digital camo that appealed to them, a teal digital camo called Universal Camo Pattern (UCP). No trials, no tests, they just decided it was the winner. This promptly put those 5 billion dollars of development cost to waste. UCP, quite famously, is a terrible camo pattern, all the squares on it are too small, so at a distance the pattern degrades to a 'teal-gray blob', which blends in with nothing save for that famous picture of a soldier in UCP blending in with a couch. There's statistical evidence that proves that this arbitrary decision got soldiers killed thanks to its terrible design. As a result, Congress decided that to avoid this problem in future, the Army now MUST accept their contracts from the lowest bidder to stop wasteful bidding wars, hence why 'Military-Grade' means 'low-quality'
My Dad became an Army lifer. Before I graduated from highschool I called him. I asked him about doing a four year enlistment. His response:"Uncle doesn't want people like you. When you were a kid you were always asking "Why is this .......Why does this do ......Uncle doesn't want people that ask "Why should I jump out of a functional airplane?. Why should I go over that hill when there people who want to kill me there?. Son, Don't think you'll disappoint me by not joining the Army. Figure out what you're good at and enjoy doing". Recruiting is about getting numbers. It's not about making people happy.
@@again5162 My cousin Eddy decided to join the Air Force in the late '70's. His goal was to be Security so he could become a Policeman. The recruiter told him after induction in Colorado, he would do his basic training in San Antonio, Texas. The big carrot was Eddy would be stationed in Hawaii. Fun in the sun!. Being from Massachusetts it sounded perfect. Big slap of reality: he got sent to Minot,North Dakota. In the winter. There is a popular saying among the people sent there: "Why not Minot?. Freezin's the reason!". Eddy watched coyotes freeze solid walking the perimeter fences at the base. The Air Force didn't become his happy place.
That's what your average army requires to be effective They need disciplined soldiers who won't question orders and other things, some people are ok/happy with that fact. Ofc limits can be established to make sure extreme stuff can actually be questioned or even reported (like committing a warcrime).
"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious." - Major General Smedley Butler USMC
Having served and then taught high schoolers and middle schoolers, I'd say the ones at the top are closer to middle schoolers and the immediate supervisors (NCOs and POs) are more like high schoolers: they're better at covering their asses and have more incentive.
As someone who served active duty in the Army... this is spot on. It's interesting to note the similarities between basic training/ regular duty and cult indoctrination. Basic training is practically a textbook example of the BITE model of cult indoctrination.
I also find the similiarities between the military and prison to be hilarious. I said 3 hots and a cot for a while after I got out when someone who is a former prisoner asked me where I done time at. Confused, I asked him what he meant. He explained how it was a common saying while in. At least you got your 3 hots and a cot.
The basic goal of military training is to convince 19-year-olds that when somebody is shooting at them, they should not do the sensible thing every instinct is telling them to do, namely run away and let their former buddies get killed instead of themselves.
Back in 2000 I mouthed off to a Marine Corps recruiter in college after giving my name. He asked me if I had considered the Corps and I said "Sure! If I kill someone here I go to prison but if I do it for you I get paid." Turns out I ended up on some watch list for a few years.
So that was before May of 2000, and in 2003 when I applied for my current job, they did an extensive background check. During the interview I got asked if I knew that I had been on a list of people who might be of concern. I honestly had no clue. They pulled me after a year or so. I told them exactly what I said it actually got a chuckle. Whoever saw the information may have just overreacted. I was like 19 at the time and didn'thave a driver's license so I don't know what information they could have had other than my full name. I think I was fortunate. If it had been something I said after September 11th, who knows how it would panned out.
This rings true on so many levels. I will never forget how the marine recruiters came to our high-school to recruit. They were definitely looking for a specific type of person. They ended up talking to a very good friend of mine and got him really hyped up. They told him how special he was, and how much opportunity he would have in the marines and after the marines. He wanted to hear that, because just a few weeks earlier during "college day" a guidance counselor told him that he couldn't go to a four year college, he didn't have the grades. Fast forward, he joined the marines 1 year before 9/11. He was shipped off to Iraq to fight George W Bush's oil war with Sadam. A year later his squad's humvee ran over an IED and he lost the use of legs. He was discharged and then struggled with the VA on benefits, still struggles to this day. He was 20 years old when he became paralyzed. I hate those recruiters so much.
I have a buddy in the marines who had a near exact story to this. He isn't paralyzed, but he has severe nerve damage and is in pain every second of every day. The mental anguish is constant too. Lost his marriage, struggles with everyday tasks, has to work himself to death to pay child support because family court leveled him. The VA dragged him for years. And all for what? What did getting blown up for Merikuh accomplish?
Well, in my country, you don't even have to commit a crime. Every man who turns 18 has to join, even if he is disabled. The only thing that saves you is being a certified psychopath, and good luck finding a job with this.
@@MikeBarbarossa I didn't even do that. In my country, every man that turns 18 has to join the army, even the disabled ones. But what you said is definitely better than forcing everybody to join.
@@Aaa-vp6ug of course it was a lot safer for soldiers and I served 14 months instead of 10 years, but the main principles of the military "commander is god" and "hate all foreigners" are probably the same in there too.
"But you guys will help me with that trauma, right?" VA: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 [catches breath] 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 [catches breath again] No. Not ever. We'll in fact fight your claim harder than every insurance agency *combined*
@@murrfox add to this (truly sorry for these circumstances y'all have) while in-service mental health opportunities exist, actually using them only sinks a serviceperson's career
@@murrfox I see it all the time unfortunately. Have a friend that works with veterans. She says "everyone always says support our troops but do little to actually support or help them". After hearing that and hearing some of these stories it hits differently now. Hopefully your husband finds the help he needs.
I always feel bad when people tell me, "thank you for your service". I went in for a job and some focus. Once I found it, I left. It was not for any higher power or patriotism or love of war or country. Just needed to change my life. That doesn't in my book deserve any praise. It is basic life needs.
Thank you for improving your life, and by extension, improving society for all of us. No clue what you were dealing with, but improvements are improvements.
THANK YOU for telling the truth! That's been my belief for a long time, but I didn't dare say it: People join the U.S. military for a variety of reasons unrelated to love of country: To get college money; to get respect from their father; to get somebody else to pay for their ticket out of their tiny town; to be around weapons 'cause they think it'll feel badassy; because their menial job is boring and they just want to do something else; and so on. You, garciavashchino1, might be the only person I know who will say what you said.
The part of the contract where it says it's illegal to quit is hilariously true. I have many friends who desperately keep trying to escape and somehow end up back on duty lmao
That's why you're supposed to read any contract before signing. If they won't let you sit there and do that nor take it home to read its a huge red flag.
@@callak_9974 Reading a contract before you sign it. Maybe you're not the kind of people we are looking for after all. We are looking for men and women of action.
@@nunyuhbusiness9016 There's only a few ways to get out of the military outside of fulfilling the term you signed up for (usually 4 years), most of it requiring injuries so bad they can't deploy you and would make life outside it suck even more.
The only real life's mistake I made and regret was joining the Army back in the late 80's. I rationalized that recruiters couldn't just lie, they were somehow held accountable and that there were checks and balances that would prevent that. At least it provided a valuable life's lesson, allowing me to understand how every TV commercial and political organization was full of shit and no one was going to hold them accountable, ever.
I guess that means you did not get the requested MOS of Super Delta Force ++ which also gave two strippers to each member of the squad? Sonofabitch! They pulled that on me as well!
Meh, I almost joined in 88, but the recruiter was so obviously full of shit that I dragged on the process for months. Ended up messing my back up on a dirtbike right before heading to MEPS, that's what I call divine intervention...
In switzerland military is compulsory. I got out due to health reasons but i hated the two weeks i was there. Bunch of incompetent assholes doing nothing important at all, youre not there to learn and be useful but to provide income for the old disconnected guys at the top who pretend to work. Also they can basically do whatever they want because they are the reinforcers of their own law, no accountability in sight Since then i feel bad for all the people around the world who get tricked into the military (obviously ive felt bad for people impacted by real war before that). Hope youre all well and enjoy whatever freedom you have
I remember when the Airforce came to recruit at our highschool. They played a cool little video straight out of a Hollywood action movie. All i could think was "wow this would be so cool if hundreds of real people weren't dieing in these missle explosions"
Air Force in the ads: Flying jets, dropping bombs, rescuing people Air Force in reality: Doing paperwork and menial chores for the two people allowed to fly jets and drop bombs
Join the Air Force they said. It's just like a normal job they said. So, as I was bailing water out of my foxhole whilst sitting behind my M60, I began to think I was bamboozled.
AFSC 81150 security policeman Base defense force. AZR Asian Zone readiness Everyone who was in the cops going to either Vietnam or Thailand went through the training. Weapons and Combat skills. Yet the Department of Veterans Affairs will deny disability pay as they say we were just security guards .
When I joined the Navy in 1980, the slogan was "Join the Navy and See the World". True enough, considering the world is 70% water. I have to say though, that my recruiter was extremely honest. He had a lot of valuable advice that helped me through boot camp, A School, and Nuke School. And he hammered it into me that it would never be easy. Boy, was he right.
I had a Navy recruiter hot to snag me outta High School. He liked my ASVAB scores so well, he came to my house to sell me on being in a submarine off the cost of Cuba doing surveillance. And I would've gone, too, except that I met the girl I would eventually marry. Sorry, Uncle Sam. =^[.]^=
I joined the Navy in 1980, got my gauruteed A school, went to the fleet, they tried like crazy to have me go Nuc, but after my 1st 4 years as an E-5, I rescoured to AW, and spent the next 15 flying in jets. So no complaints from me, and yes being at sea was great, seeing 37 different countries and all the craziness was a hoot! Got ou and did 22 years babysitting nuclear engineers for the navy. Now twice retired and going to live overseas like a king traveling where ever I want. So no complaints from me, I ain't rich, but I ain't poor either, just living good. ( raised 4 kids to boot!) So live your life gents, and make it worthwhile for yourself!
I always felt angry about the people saying "thank you for your service",they don't give a fuk about it,and also the soldiers don't care about the citizens being grateful.
@@lostbutfreesoulthen why do vets do PSAs asking people to thank them for their service? You know that wasn't our (civilians) invention right? If you don't want to hear that maybe get your marketing on the same page. We were taught that's the way to act respectful.
@@mariposa9506 I gave @lostbutfreesoul one of his Thumbs up because it's an easy sentiment to express but is empty without backing it. For instance; WHY is so much money spent on our military if the members and the veterans are sometimes criminally neglected? That one has an obvious answer - so Why aren't people making more noise about it? Do you REALLY think that airplanes can hide from radar [without using their radar jammers] when rain and snow can't hide from it?
I always dreamed of being in the military, protecting people, the nation... my father served for more than 50 years (not in the US) and he told me it was the biggest betrayal he ever received. There is nothing to protect nowadays except their interests. Even if my dream was shattered, I believe my father saved me from several problems. ( sorry for my english )
@HS-lv6wc Well, thank you very much. I'm still working on it, when i write a message, i have more time to structure a great sentence. When I speak i sound like borat 🤣
There is always something to protect. That's what people don't understand. You don't always see war coming, but when it comes for you, you'd better hope somebody is there ready and able to fight it on your behalf or it's your turn.
Frankly this was a rather toothless honest ad. It's much glimmer than this guy makes it out to be. Their are people in the military who qualify for food stamps... just let sink in for a moment....
Yeah I was thinking that too, he skims over the part that bothered me the most about the army, the insanely high rates of sexual assault. And the crazy amount of perpetrators that never face any justice. Funny video but I wish more people knew how bad the military really is at this point
Been there, done that, got a ton of shirts, got drunk illegally, sent to war, got shot at too many times, said ✌️, went back as a contractor, got paid, got shot at too many times, said ✌️ again, and I'm still finding sand in weird places decades later. Thanks, America.
Probably the most accurate Honest Ad you've ever done Roger... Remember kids, the order least to worst suckery is: Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Army, Marines. And NEVER trust a word that leaves a Recruiter's mouth.
lol, my dad was drafted into the army. My uncles were worried they’d get drafted too, so they joined the marines thinking that was the safest option during the Vietnam conflict.
Heh. If people only knew about Uncle Sam's Confused Group. I saw six of seven continents in the Guard and drank myself silly on each. Tons of great people, but be warned - do electronics or electrician or telephone tech or machinery tech unless you're willing to do extreme backflips to get a commercial deck rating on the outside.
Many people fear a diverse or "woke" armed forces are somehow weaker or less capable. As a vet, I could not disagree more. What a person is does not matter, only what you make them matters. It all comes down to training. Some of the most famous soldiers and hero's throughout history have been either gay, bi-sexual, women, gay and bi-sexual women you name it. You think a modern Marine could hold his own against a Spartan or even Roman legionnaire? No f'ing way and both were bi-sexual. The fiercest opposition the French Imperialists had in Africa were against a tribe of warrior women, the Dahomey Amazon who had controlled the region for hundreds of years. I would take a battalion of well-trained drag queens over mediocrely trained Chad's any day and prevail every time.
@@tedwojtasik8781 honestly, i don't care if the person next to me is gay or a woman. as long as the woman next to me can drag me to safety as well as a man and the person next to me doesn't have an obscenely high chance of nixing themselves from the census, i couldnt care less. However, given that the army is letting someone with known suicidal ideation stay in because "but im trans", i know full well that the psych standard's dropped harder than a frozen ball of mercury in a tub of radon gas.
@@killer13324”as long as the women can drag me to safety as any man can” They can’t. That’s why the whole push of getting women in active positions in the army, police officers, fighter fighters and so on is a farce. Because rather than just hire capable applicants that apply and pass the exams, they have a quota. And if you have a quota, it means you’ll do anything to fill it, including cutting corners. Which is what we’ve seen in said industries. There isn’t “one” standard, they literally lower the bar for women because if they didn’t virtually none of the female applicants would pass the tests. Have you seen female equivalents of those roles? They don’t look like MMA figures or bodybuilders who likely could possibly pass a variety of tests. They look like average women who are maybe toned. And what happens when you have a situation where there’s just women, but would require several _men_ to handle? You have a problem. And what ends up happening is female officers for example will use their guns more because they literally are incapable of restraining/intimidating a psychotic man on the loose. People talk about “police brutality” yet ignore this problem they’ve created by pushing for the outcome (more female cops) which exasperates this. Using a weapon should be a last resort, 1) because the crime could be resolved without it and 2) it could put bystanders in danger. It won’t just be strength tests that are lowered, but everything. Someone who’s quick to draw a gun and has less accuracy can lead to innocents in the crossfire more often. Men aren’t perfect obviously, but harm should be mitigated as much as possible and women are categorically more dangerous to use in these roles. I’ve seen a video where even two women couldn’t restrain one man. All this does is put more people in danger (using lethal violence more, unable to restrain a threat, or takes longer/incapable of rescuing someone in the case of a fire). Heck, a teenage boy hockey team can beat a professional woman’s team. As an example of the wide disparity. Allowing them in active or combat roles is a danger to everyone around them. A scrawny guy like me would not cut it out for these roles… and yet people overlook allowing women in when they’re even worse. One or two (200-300 lb) jacked dudes would be able to pull out a 300-400 fat guy from a burning building. A size not uncommon in America. Now how many women would that take? How many women in these roles even _weighs_ 200lbs without equipment? It’s a complete joke, and only serves fools to feel like they’re “welcoming”, when all they’ve done is damn us all just so they can feel good about themselves. Because they don’t want to accept we’re a sexually dimorphic species, and have major biological differences. We’re not interchangeable.
It's somewhat accurate, but doesn't mention all the benefits. The retirement is actually really good for active duty after only 20 years. The key is move up as fast as you can, don't bother staying a lower rank because you'll do grunt work all the time. The first 5 years will be rough, the next 5 less rough and so one. If you become a senior NCO or Officer in the last 5 years, you're sitting on a golden retirement and can literally retire at age 37 if you join at 17. You can even save up 3 months of vacation and leave at age 36. The health insurance is ok, and you get a good physique while your in. Of course there's a lot of nonsensical things you have to put up with, but overall not as bad as many people think.
@@rs72098 Ranking military personnel detected. Did you mention the part about actually serving during those 20 years? Did you serve on the ground? Did you watch the video? What you described sounds like ideal prison reforms in the case of a person doing 20 years. Also you're assuming that it is even possible to climb the ranks to such a position for every grunt who would sign up and most likely be put into the infantry. I thought you were being sarcastic at first but you sound like someone who started very early and graduated into a higher rank than anybody signing up at a school in some economically depressed town where there are no other options and the video parodied the very outlook you are speaking from.
I had to drop out of HS when I was 16, but eventually went on to get my GED with honors 8 years later with no refresher courses. Not long after the Iraq war was kicking off and my sister, who had joined the Navy and transferred to active Army for a shorter tour, suggested I go to the Navy. Well, I stopped by a recruiter, took the little test and he straight up told me "You're too smart for this. You sure you want to join the military? We can always use coms officers, but you have real options." I was blown.
@@leedeimos3343 Didn't know it was a thing until I had one and it means exactly as much as you'd expect; practically nothing. Just means I didn't have to study to pass HS as an adult.
@@michaelvanderwal7390 ya for real this 100% did not happen also if the recruiter wanted him to be a commissioned officer he would have recommend the green to gold type programs, so he can tell him he'll be a commissioned officer and get his # at the same time
"The US is an oil corporation with an army." - George Carlin I've worked with a lot of veterans over the last 20+yrs: Army always seems to take the most broken and desperate people because they have big quotas to fill each year. Army guys come out the most physically damaged with injuries and trauma, and the VA can be a nightmare to deal with. Marines do OK. Air Force gets the least amount of abuse and neglect. More parents and recruiters need to be honest with their kids about what military life entails, including the stratospherically high divorce and infidelity rates due to deployments.
My father is a Vietnam veteran who served two tours. He warned me against joining the military. He also pointed out to me that there isn't a generation of Americans who have lived there lives without seeing war. And he's still right.
My best friend and his brother went into the Army. His brother actually saw combat, while my best friend stayed in the States. They both came back "different." They were pretty chill guys before they went in...they are now alcoholics and are always angry for some reason. They were fun to hang out with...but, now they act like something's always bothering them. We used to hang out all the time...but, I haven't seen either one of them in over four months because all the drinking and bad attitudes have made them insufferable.
I got really lucky with my recruiter. He was really honest and told me exactly what to expect. He even suggested taking a shorter contract than what I initially was thinking so I could get a feel for how I liked it without it consuming all of my early 20s. Advised me not to let anyone pressure me into reenlisting if I didn't like it and gave me some good potential plans for either possibility. Been out for almost 5 years now and I can still honestly say he didn't mislead me or lie at all. No idea where he is now or what he's up to, but hope he's doing great.
And never will be. The best they can do is leave the shit alone so we can get the training that gives us the best chance of completing the mission and making it home.
Wrong... what's in your future is picking up cigarette butts on the side of the road on Saturday morning; trying to clean up oil spots in the motor pool with dry sweep, (kitty litter) doing maintenance on vehicles that are never 100%, living in 1970s-era dilapidated barracks that may or may not have asbestos, and trying to get sleep in the barracks when your drunken comrades are blasting their stereos down the hall. Ask me how I know.
OMG. I lived for over a year in a building that was condemned. The base didn't have any other place for us and was waiting for new construction. The good thing about living in a condemned building was that there were no inspections. And then we totally trashed the place in the last couple months when we found out the new building was almost ready for us and this one would be torn down.
You know because you voluntarily joined a terrorist organisation that never does any good but devastates country after country after country after country after country.
What they fail to mention is you don’t always get the specialty that you asked for regardless of your ASVAB score. They just fill what ever spot they happen to have available at the time. So if you choose to sign up, make sure to ask for a guarantee. See how that works out for you!
Well at least in Star ship troopers, they get a citizen ship = The right to vote and have children, so to begin with they have nothing and cant do nothing without it, so its more or less blackmail Recruit slogan "Wanna have the right to do anything? Join the army because if you dont you are a nobody! "
I remember those recruiters at my high school cafeteria. I couldn’t understand them. I was either 14-17 depending on grade, so never old enough to sign up, or so I thought. I would see kids go up there, sometimes for the free swag. I just felt like selling my soul at such a young age wasn’t the wisest, and knew that I could always sign up later when I was a responsible adult. I was 18 in 2001, barely 19 when 9/11 happened. Patriotism was pretty fashionable back then. Red white and blue m&ms (in the fall), people selling pumpkins with the American flag painted on them at the local grocery stores… …where were the recruiters then? Not at my college.
@@rennoc6478That’s creepy. I think the district gets money for selling your info too because back in the days of landlines, once I was old enough, a recruiter called my house, and my mom answered. I was surprised that some strange unknown man was calling me, so I already had my guard up. Told him that I wasn’t interested.
@@ADMusic1999^ This exactly. There’s a reason you’ll never see recruiters at UCLA, Berkeley, Harvard, Columbia, blah blah blah. They know you probably come from an educated family or you yourself are educated and will ask questions. Your mind isn’t silly putty. That’s why they go to the shitty middle-of-nowhere suburbs in the Midwest and South to find the football star who feels lost now that high school is coming to an end.
0:25 Thats the whole point - to recruit directionless young kids at their physical prime that think they are invincible. Another 5 or 10 years they generally have more common sense, a life plan and are older.
Pretty much, but the real bonus is the impressionable part. Super easy to turn an 18-26 year old into a sociopathic nationalistic killer with a wee bit of bullshit. By the late 20's most people see the scam. the lies, and the bullshit. I served in the USMC, went in 86' and bought it hook, line, and sinker. Thank god I got out before Desert Storm as I could not live with myself knowing now what I could not even understand then. Roger, and Gen. Smedley Butler USMC Ret. were both spot on, war is a racket and an extension of corporate interests exclusively.
@xxsuperstarstxx9773 Never said there was no such thing, I pointed out, correctly, the military's age average of recruits. Of course there will be a handful of older recruits, typically people at a dead end or just trying to discover themselves but on the whole...nah.
I remember when I got my GED. There was an army recruiter dude at the diploma ceremony skulking around like a lion looking to pick off the weak buffalo. It's insidious.
A military recruiter is someone you only expect to deal with once. My turn was 52 years ago when college deferments went away (enlisting was my way of avoiding the draft) so I'll have to take Roger's word for how it is today with an all-volunteer service.
Sure enough. I had a colleague that enlisted in the Navy during the Vietnam era for that reason. About a month after he shipped out, he got a call from the Army and his mom had to tell them about his enlistment. He got the job and training he wanted and spent time on a Destroyer.
Insane how accurate this is. I scored a perfect score on my ASVAB, literally perfect. I was told anything above a certain score and id be guaranteed one of my top choices in career. I picked 4 intel/cyber jobs (as those are the ones where you training will get you PAID when you go civilian), and yet funnily enough those exact 4 jobs were at capacity and instead they shuffled me over to the job that required one of, if not, the highest reqs...aircraft armament. Loading bombs, missiles, and ammunition onto fighter jets (different from the people that put together the munitions, who are called ammo). Weirdly, i loved every second of that job, it was super getting to play around with fighter jets and shoot the shit with pilots. I did however get my first choice in duty station, so i was stationed in Las Vegas. Where i loaded for the Air Force's equivalent of the Top Gun school for the Navy. It was loads of fun. Then of course i wrecked my back and was required to undergo a surgery fusing my spine to my pelvis with titanium and that was my career over. The story is more involved and will leave people flabbergasted at the sheer stupidity of the system, but until that point it was a blast. I continued aceing every test and exam, both physical and educational, and when I was medically retired...i had the training to do....exactly nothing in the civilian sector that I was capable of doing any longer and then I had the lovely chance to deal with the VA, which is a horror show. But the actual time in the military is crazy fun. Everythibg from basic to injury was a total blast.
Yikes man... That was more twists and turns than a murder mystery. You sound both similar and opposite my situation. Despite being intelligent and scoring high and the trying to force me to be a nuke.. I just went Corpsman to take care of Marines. I have always found more joy and fun in performing simple jobs because it's simple things done really well that build the greatest things. You can also find more opportunities to make everything and everyone around you better since its not as complex where you're simply trying to get a complicated result or product. I ended up going cyber after injuring myself going Marine Recon. Haven't had many fun days in the military since. I think your experience had a lot more fulfillment. I am sorry you hurt your back. Ordinance guys usually deadlift at least 4 plates without working for it for a reason. I worked in a lumber yard in my early 20s. As soon as I quit, the first 3 hires after me ended up with back and neck injuries so I can only imagine having a bomb in front me trying to move it around or pick it up to affix to the wing of an aircraft. Thank you for your service regardless. You should keep looking into cyber opportunities. AI probably gonna replace the larger need over the next decade as I head towards retirement, but you have a great opportunity to start now if you want.
The ASVAB is intentionally made easy so people feel good about themselves, IMO. I took it on a whim in highschool where it was pitched as a "free vocational test" and got a 96.
Yikes, don’t they let you lift those 500 pounders with a small crane. What kind of fucked up shit did you have to carry to blow your back out before you turned 30
As someone who served 5 years with two Iraq tours, and now passionately hates the military industrial complex, good! The military needs to be way more satirized and overall shit on in the mainstream media.
I think what I miss most is the gaslighting. You know your organization is great when leader ship uses gaslighting, threats, and intimidation tactics. Good stuff.
Fuck officers! They use us to advance their careers. I miss the camaraderie. The brotherhood. There's nothing better the being in a fucked up sucky situation and a brother cracking the perfect dry sarcastic joke, and driving.
My recruiter didn't lie to me. It was in a region where the economy was crashing hard. He simply explained to me the process for enlisting and I responded "Okay, sign me up." I had four good years followed by reenlistment followed by four not-as-good years. I left with my first college degree completed, $15,000 I had saved up, and a college fund for my next degree. I had a lot of experiences and got to live in two other countries (Japan and Korea). I have no regrets.
My army recruiter didn't lie to me, but the guy who was "helping me" pick out my MOS at MEPS did. Also, I started laughing once Roger said "...wearing a fun hat on a big boat"; and then once more when the rifle's butt stock fell off in the end. 😂
When I went through BASIC we had surplus Nam M16's. Mine had the Mattel imprint on the plastic pistol grip. It shot once after every cleaning. I could have gotten more shots off w/ a colonial musket.
True story: last year, my principal came into my classroom with two recruiters to "volunteer in my classroom". They wanted to come once a week and help my students with their academics. I don't oppose volunteers on my classroom, but I put two caveats: 1. They had to be in civilian clothes. 2. They were there to help with academics. They never returned
Sorry fellow American, I'm just a silly gal who lives in the Old World but the very concept of "army recruiters in classrooms" is so freaking dystopian to me. Perhaps because I live in Germany, but this struck a nerve.
Let me guess @EverettBurger; 'YOU teach at one of those exclusive Private Schools that is listing themselves as a "Charter School" to get some of that sweet, sweet education money siphoned away from Public Schools to give those Rich kids' parents "a break" on the tuition..... Am I right? Am I close? Oh, I'll bet that I'm SO CLOSE to the truth because - if there's ONE THING that parents of kids and the kids who will be inheriting a fortune "Death Tax" Free ("thanks" George W) are eager to do, it's enlist in the military.
"Private School" Teacher, right @EverettBurger? Either that or you teach at a Charter School (where parents; YOU too can pay just PART of a too expensive tuition while the rest is siphoned away from Public School funding - what's that? You CAN'T afford it even then?). Anyway, as Michael Moore said in his movie; "Ooooh, I'll bet that those military recruiters are headed for the *expensive* side of the city..."
Look, you know what I mean. You take a bunch of people who don’t seem any different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem.' - Terry Pratchett
It is different then 1960's the drill Sargents are better ps not in the army never was but quite a few have stated that training has modrenized. PPS you do you just don't expect a full metal jacket experience.
Humorous but eerily accurate. One thing I love hearing, though, is the whole "Recruiter lied to me" thing. I heard some complete nonsense come out of the mouths of fellow Recruiters from all branches. As a Recruiter, one of the first things I'd tell Prospects was to conduct their own research. The iPhone came out a year before I went to Recruiter School. A lot of people had access to the internet even back then, so anything promised could be vetted before committing to a military contract. By the time I became a Drill Sergeant in the mid-2010s, the smart phone was ubiquitous. So, take what the Recruiter tells you with a grain of salt. The Station Commander (recruiting office supervisors in the Army) will usually talk to you before you go to MEPS, so feel free to ask them questions if you're confused about anything, but don't fully trust them--they're Recruiters too. Same with the First Sergeant if you talk with them. At MEPS, you'll be waiting for long periods, so pull out your phone and research. A few tips: You can't just "switch" from National Guard to Active Duty. Once you go Guard, you're considered Prior Service, limiting your enlistment options, and before you even think about going full-time, you need to get released from your unit and Guard contract. We turned away many who had been sweet-talked into Guard contracts. "Once you're at Basic you can just ask for Airborne, Ranger, etc." Alternatively, "If you impress the Drill Sergeants, you'll get special schools or assignments". It doesn't work like that, at most, Special Forces and Ranger Recruiters will talk to the Infantry classes and one or two Trainees may get a shot. Also, back to the Guard thing, if you're Army National Guard, remember that the state pays for schools unless you're on Title 10 (Active) orders. So, if your Guard Recruiter is telling you you'll be Airborne Ranger Sapper Air Assault Pathfinder in no time, they are definitely lying. If you're serving and get chosen (or volunteer for some reason) to become either a Recruiter or a Drill Sergeant, treat the kids like your own. No touchy-feely, no physical abuse, and remain honest and open. Contracts aren't easy to get, but your reputation is harder to regain if you cross ethical or moral boundaries. A lot of formerly successful NCOs spent their last months of service as Recruiters and Drill Sergeants before losing their rank and their benefits and getting unceremoniously booted. Give it your all, but never neglect yourself. I spent the first half of my career solely devoted to the mission, at the expense of my own welfare. I didn't even start contributing to TSP (Thrift Savings Plan--think 401k for government employees) until I'd been in for eight years, and I wasted nearly 10 years of education benefits before starting college. I'm a slow learner, so it wasn't until after my Drill Sergeant time that I realized I had no work-life balance. My final few years were spent working more normalized jobs, serving under generals and alongside civilians, which was a vast difference from the mission first Infantry life I lived for 17 years. Now, it doesn't matter what I once did, or the hours I once worked. The only difference between me and my civilian coworkers is that I get decent retirement and disability checks the first of each month, and don't have to pay for health insurance.
Joining the Army was the best decision of my life. My GI Bill payed for five years of college. I wasn't "recruited" at all. I knew what I wanted -- all the recruiter did was to arrange the paperwork
Some soldiers & officers have successful, rewarding Army careers. 🪖 Some don't. A lot of it is your MOS/career, the post you are at, special skills or qualifications, budgets-$. I served 1990s. QMP, RIF, no bonus, BRAC 🏚. DA-Regular Army did not care, did not want soldiers.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I was a medic in both a field artillery and a recon infantry unit during the 70s. They kept after me to go OCS but I declined. My experience as an Army medic made getting a job as civilian paramedic relatively easy because I had a jump-start in education and experience. I worked in EMS until I finished my grad degree and then switched over to field biology. I can't say that I like everything about it but, overall, my military experience was a positive one.
As a veteran there are so many quotable lines here I can't even pick one, but "target acquired' had me crying. Honestly, it's what you make of it. I don't regret my time in for a second.
@Playradise you think you're going to get a rise out of me? Think again. I'm proud to have served, even for people like you, no matter what you or anyone else thinks.
Those are Roger's own toys that he is using. He has the best toys! Horton just needs to get a song performed by someone with a dubious reputation for alternative activities at night. He better move fast though. All the good/bad ones are already taken.
For many the only way out of a horrible situation is through the military. I'll also say that unfortunately this is very accurate to exactly what happens.
It why they push do hard to overpopulate the US. They don't care about abortions, they just want a bigger pool of desperate people with no other options. None of this is by accident.
Heck my recruiter lied about my medical issues just to get me into basic, where the same issues got me out in 2 weeks. They don't give a $#!^ about getting decent people in the military, they just want numbers to pad their recruiter requirements.
From what other actual military vets have said, a lot of countries are having issues recruiting enough people to fill the ranks in their militaries. They are so severely undermanned that they have lowered the standards to get butts into basic training and hope they can get them up to snuff there.
Mine specifically instructed me to lie about medical issues. I was a stupid kid with a lot of problems that I just wanted an out from and that guy could've saved me from a horrible fucked up experience just by telling me I wasn't cut out for it but he chose otherwise.
As a veteran, joining the army was the best decision i ever made. Getting checks from the VA at 100% tax-free is nice. Medically retired before 35 and the only thing i worry about is boredom 😂
That "What job do you want to do?" point was sure on the nose. I considered going into the armed forces in high school which garnered A LOT of attention from various recruiters, but the only thing I was interested in was being a pilot. I could never get an answer on what the path to flying a plane would be if I enlisted. Notably, none of them ever told me I'd need a college degree in most cases anyway. Finally my uncle, a tank-commander in Iraq at the time, caught wind of this and said ROTC or the Air Force Academy would be the way to go to be a pilot. He had went in as a grunt and did not recommend doing the same. By then it didn't matter much as I was already accepted to an engineering program and figured I could fly as a hobby someday. Turns out that's a really expensive hobby.
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I was in the Navy and while I polished a lot of brass when there were no flight operations, I did get to see the world on someone else's dime. Most ports were 3 to 4 days but there were some ports we pulled into that we stayed for 5+ days. I've been to Italy, France, Greece, Virgin Islands, Malta, Israel and several more. The best was the organized trip from the port in Italy to Rome. Saw the Colesseum, the Vatican, Roman Bath Houses, and again I was paid while there. Sadly I haven't been overseas since because it is so costly so I appreciate my time in the service!
"Good enough for government work" hits so hard. So hard. It shouldn't hit this hard. Should I be concerned, as active duty, that this statement hit so hard?
I was lucky, my recruiter was actually pretty decent and honest. I heard plenty of horror stories from the other recruits, like one had their recruiter offer to buy him a steak dinner if he dyed his hair pink before shipping to basic training. He almost took the offer.
My Air Force recruiters never lied to me back in the late 80s. The waiting list to go to basic training was 6 months long. In the mean time, they taught us drill and got us on a regular exercise program. We got to basic ready to go. Already practiced the luggage games and what to expect the 1st few weeks. My recruiters were great.
Strangely enough the hardest time military recruiters would be a thing in school was band class. Theyd be in the cafeteria but you could ignore them. But a couple times a year every year twenty minutes of band is army recruiters telling us about programs and opportunities available to us. I never listened to a word because ive never wanted to have any part in the military, but i also just couldn't wrap my head around the concept of being recruited into the military to play trumpet in a military band- whatever that meant, it brought up its own list of questions: why does the military need a band? Is that all the band members do? Is there one band for the entire country or does each division have their own band? What is the reasoning behind these bands? Who are they performing for and when? It never ends! But tldr; recruiters did their recruiting pitches in high school in my band classes for some reason lol
I was suckered into joining the Army right after high school. Within the first day I'm getting yelled at over nothing and realized I had made the mistake of my life.
I don't regret my 4yr Army enlistment BUT looking back, 30yr + I would have done many, many things different. Waited a year to do DEP, sign my Army contract; 1990. Request a CONUS post guarantee. About 12 MP basic guys in my A-787 went directly to Fort Carson CO. Get-stay in much better shape 🏃🏼♂️ , Not drink or spend $ on booze 🍺.
Veteran and was also actually a recruiter for the Marines as well. I do not feel that I ever misled anyone to join, but then I was not a very good recruiter when it comes to getting the numbers. I am curious if any of the ones I put in feel like I lied to them and if so about what. What causes a lot of the shady techniques recruiting is known for is the pressure on the recruiters. Recruiting has two outcomes generally, being really good for your career or really bad for your career (there is a third one that is supposed to be neutral, which is the outcome I got, and it was still negative). It comes up at the point where one decides if it is a career or not, like on the border of the 2nd and 3rd term or around 8 years in as it was for me. I was voluntold to do it, basically was asked if I was willing to be a recruiter, why not, and then given a choice of August or October to go to the training. To decline after that point would mean cancelling the promotion I was already selected for, and being unable to reenlist as was my plan, basically be forced out. The job is sales, the training for it is the same as sales techniques. And if you do not have the numbers you need, your life sucks. Therein lies the problem, basically whether or not the kid in front of you signs a piece of paper determines whether or not your life sucks and your chances of being promoted and such. Under those circumstances, it takes a kind of willpower most people do not have to not say anything that will get a signature, in any profession. It does not make it right or justifiable by any means, but its not something unique to military recruitment.
This kid cracked me up, especially when Roger says, you can travel the world, to meet new people and then kill them or would a military recruit lie to you when they say you get army candy but it’s illegal to quit.
I literally had a classmate in grade school who would play those same war games at his on his desktop back in the ‘70s with those same sound effects … He got made fun of a lot … I hope he’s okay 🙏🏾
I often wonder how many of the 22 brothers and sisters that off themselves each day, how many do it out of frustration, while on hold trying to get someone at the VA. The only time I think of suicide is when I'm dealing w/ the VA.
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You know, I just watched a video with Rodger from 7 years ago and he barely looks like he's aged.
Uncle Scam strikes again!!
I’m going with Schultz on this one, I see Nothing NOTHING
"You can see the world!"
*6 months later sitting in a hole in the California desert*
*6 months later sitting in a hole in the Carolina wilderness*
*6 months later sitting in a hole in the Romanian countryside*
Repeat until end of active service.
XD
An actual dugout or you just mean fort
Ah...NTC
I met a marine who never left the country throughout his 4 years of service
@@batalorian7997 I know an Army guy that never left the country in 6 years.
The military recruiters were there to recruit me? I thought they were there to make advances at highschooler girls.
Why not both?
They can multitask. They're very talented
it can be 2 things❤
Isn't that part of the charm?
If they hit on all the jail bait in front of you, you will think they get all the girls.
Based
My recruiter didn't lie to me, he did however fail to mention a lot of stuff...
Don't feel left out, those were lies of omission.
LOL your not lying either... so of those guys don't tell autistic people they are excluded which I will never understand!!!!
Same. I don't regret going in, but now I'm getting closer to retirement age, and seeing how those low income numbers affect my social security check. I made like $10,000 my first year in the Navy. LOL. To be fair, I wasn't likely to make any more on the outside at age 18, but still those numbers are low considering what I actually did in the Navy.
@@jimmym3352 "Lifers" in military service do okay with a military pension BUT if you're in for 4, get out, don't get a degree and the military didn't give you an in-demand skill? Now THAT'S a problem because sometimes people just aren't paid what they're worth on the outside....
...Isn't that right Jeff Bezos? (wait, that's "not fair" after those workers saw their wages DOUBLE from just the Federal Minimum Wage when it looked like Bernie had momentum to get THE LAW to mandate a living wage). It's a meat grinder world right now. I equate military service with porn for young pretty girls. Use em and lose em BUT "at least both get well funded"!
Probably the most glaring fine print left out was "Individual experiences may vary." 😏
In 1993, I tried to join the Marines. I was "guaranteed" a job and E-3 in the recruiter's office and was in the Delayed Entry Program for 9 months waiting for my job to open. I did all the required weekly meetings, PT and all the other nonsense with my recruiter. Out of the blue, my ship date moved up 6 weeks because a new slot opened. The day my I'm supposed to ship, at MEPS, I talk to the recruiter and liaison officer, everyone seems happy, and get handed a stack of papers, a pen and told to sign - and be quick about it as others are waiting. I was 19 years old and not that smart, but I had a tiny bit of common sense - I read the contracts. Instead of my "guaranteed" job and rank, I was Infantry and E-1. When I questioned why this was different than what I/we agreed to, I was told that I no longer qualified. That's when I realized why the ship date was moved up and I asked my recruiter why he didn't tell me, he just looked at me. That's when I put the pen down, and said, I'm not signing as that's not what we agreed to. Mind you, this was about 90 minutes or so, before I'm supposed to be on a plane to MCRD. They were NOT happy! So much for the integrity, they pride themselves and demanded of me. The NCOIC at MCRD actually called my house and asked what happened. - I told him and, supposedly, my recruiter got transferred. Long story short, I was offered another job.and turned that down, too. I had felt bad for not joining for a long time but as I got older and see/saw what happened to Vets, I have NO REGRETS!
Spending that time to read the contract seems to have legitimately saved your life. It's crazy to think that someone else may have signed it without reading and ended up way worse off.
Until you sign you got the power.
@@oldnatty61 Exactly. But once you sign, they own you. In the Russian and some other post-Soviet armies they demonstrate that by beating up the new recruit as soon as the pen has left his hand (not a moment sooner, though, so as not to risk losing the pen). Not too seriously, in order not to put him out of action as that would be a waste of government resource, but they will ensure the new guy knows where he is.
@@rileycorrigan5593 those contract though, it can always be prolonged when the US is at war... and the US is always at war somehow.
@@minyaksayur And they can always call you back.
Teenagers: The government says that you're not mature enough to smoke or drink but they'll put weapons in your hands and let you go kill for oil... I mean to protect your country. Yep, the recruiter got me too when I was young.
Well they aren't unless 18 anything before thar is pushing it.
I joined when it was Operation Iraqi Liberation. It was silently changed to Operation Iraqi Freedom and there is no record it was ever O.I.L.
@@redemptionjack4657I got a waiver to join at 17
"Did you see anything?"
"No, I didn't see you playing with your dolls again, sir!"
"The Mobile Infantry made me the mental wreck I am today!"
ACTION FIGURES!
Space balls
Lone Star!
Knock!!
I remember back in basic training (1990) just about everyone in my platoon including me bitched about how their recruiter lied to us.
Shit, They Almost Killed Me and Around 100 others First Week of Basic Training in 92. The Required/Mandatory Shots were Bad/Infected. We didn't even Finish Basic because of it. And gave me size 10 Boots for my Size 13 Feet and wondered why I was in Constant Pain.
@@ravenlorans So they discharged you all or it was just short term vaccine side effects that wore off
Nothing changed. I had same experience in ‘99. Everyone expected a particular MOS and sign on bonus, but everyone’s MOS was mysteriously changed to something without a sign on bonus.
That's been a constant complaint for decades. I was in basic in 1961 and remember hearing the same complaints.
I was in that year too. We did the same at Great Lakes.
The bit at the end with the "assault rifle" that breaks is a good portrayal of what "military grade" actually means.... made by the lowest bidder.
Accurate!
Or a friend with a higher bid...
These days, yes. Back before Congress started passing no-bid appropriations they were lowest bidder who could still deliver durability.
Today it’s exactly what you say. Lowest bid lowest quality.
some rifles are retractable (not the m16 though)
For those wondering WHY military-grade means 'made by the lowest' bidder, this is because in the early 2000s, the Army was working on developing a new camo pattern that would be a bit more general purpose and modern, spending some 5 billion dollars in making one they liked called Desert Brush.
Then at some point the generals saw Marines marching around the Pentagon in fancy digital camo and said 'That's cool! I want that too! So we can be fighting in the future instead of the past!' So the Generals then, at random, chose a digital camo that appealed to them, a teal digital camo called Universal Camo Pattern (UCP). No trials, no tests, they just decided it was the winner. This promptly put those 5 billion dollars of development cost to waste.
UCP, quite famously, is a terrible camo pattern, all the squares on it are too small, so at a distance the pattern degrades to a 'teal-gray blob', which blends in with nothing save for that famous picture of a soldier in UCP blending in with a couch. There's statistical evidence that proves that this arbitrary decision got soldiers killed thanks to its terrible design.
As a result, Congress decided that to avoid this problem in future, the Army now MUST accept their contracts from the lowest bidder to stop wasteful bidding wars, hence why 'Military-Grade' means 'low-quality'
My Dad became an Army lifer. Before I graduated from highschool I called him. I asked him about doing a four year enlistment. His response:"Uncle doesn't want people like you. When you were a kid you were always asking "Why is this .......Why does this do ......Uncle doesn't want people that ask "Why should I jump out of a functional airplane?. Why should I go over that hill when there people who want to kill me there?. Son, Don't think you'll disappoint me by not joining the Army. Figure out what you're good at and enjoy doing". Recruiting is about getting numbers. It's not about making people happy.
Recruitment should be about getting the correct people for a job, not a salesperson trying to earn his crust
@@again5162 My cousin Eddy decided to join the Air Force in the late '70's. His goal was to be Security so he could become a Policeman. The recruiter told him after induction in Colorado, he would do his basic training in San Antonio, Texas. The big carrot was Eddy would be stationed in Hawaii. Fun in the sun!. Being from Massachusetts it sounded perfect. Big slap of reality: he got sent to Minot,North Dakota. In the winter. There is a popular saying among the people sent there: "Why not Minot?. Freezin's the reason!". Eddy watched coyotes freeze solid walking the perimeter fences at the base. The Air Force didn't become his happy place.
That's what your average army requires to be effective
They need disciplined soldiers who won't question orders and other things, some people are ok/happy with that fact.
Ofc limits can be established to make sure extreme stuff can actually be questioned or even reported (like committing a warcrime).
"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious."
- Major General Smedley Butler USMC
“Business is war, and war … is like a business”
-the Japanese
Be ready to have 40 year-old men in leadership positions to have the mentality of high schoolers.
Having served and then taught high schoolers and middle schoolers, I'd say the ones at the top are closer to middle schoolers and the immediate supervisors (NCOs and POs) are more like high schoolers: they're better at covering their asses and have more incentive.
Idk bro, I just live/work here
This.
100 % It is actually REALLY weird.
why’s that
As someone who served active duty in the Army... this is spot on. It's interesting to note the similarities between basic training/ regular duty and cult indoctrination. Basic training is practically a textbook example of the BITE model of cult indoctrination.
I found Basic Training to be two things: paperwork\processing. And hazing.
I also find the similiarities between the military and prison to be hilarious. I said 3 hots and a cot for a while after I got out when someone who is a former prisoner asked me where I done time at. Confused, I asked him what he meant. He explained how it was a common saying while in. At least you got your 3 hots and a cot.
"Can't decide if you want to join a cult, or go to prison? Join the army and experience the worst of both worlds!"
The basic goal of military training is to convince 19-year-olds that when somebody is shooting at them, they should not do the sensible thing every instinct is telling them to do, namely run away and let their former buddies get killed instead of themselves.
@@hazukichanx408 what if I whated more suffering
Back in 2000 I mouthed off to a Marine Corps recruiter in college after giving my name. He asked me if I had considered the Corps and I said "Sure! If I kill someone here I go to prison but if I do it for you I get paid." Turns out I ended up on some watch list for a few years.
What happened to campus free speech?
Isn’t that the type of person you want in the military? People who want to kill people you don’t want them doing YOGA in the battlefield
How do you know that you were put on a list?
So that was before May of 2000, and in 2003 when I applied for my current job, they did an extensive background check. During the interview I got asked if I knew that I had been on a list of people who might be of concern. I honestly had no clue. They pulled me after a year or so. I told them exactly what I said it actually got a chuckle. Whoever saw the information may have just overreacted. I was like 19 at the time and didn'thave a driver's license so I don't know what information they could have had other than my full name. I think I was fortunate. If it had been something I said after September 11th, who knows how it would panned out.
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STORY OF MY LIFE
This rings true on so many levels. I will never forget how the marine recruiters came to our high-school to recruit. They were definitely looking for a specific type of person. They ended up talking to a very good friend of mine and got him really hyped up. They told him how special he was, and how much opportunity he would have in the marines and after the marines. He wanted to hear that, because just a few weeks earlier during "college day" a guidance counselor told him that he couldn't go to a four year college, he didn't have the grades. Fast forward, he joined the marines 1 year before 9/11. He was shipped off to Iraq to fight George W Bush's oil war with Sadam. A year later his squad's humvee ran over an IED and he lost the use of legs. He was discharged and then struggled with the VA on benefits, still struggles to this day.
He was 20 years old when he became paralyzed. I hate those recruiters so much.
I'm sorry. 💚
What a story God damn... Wish him a happy life
What a horrific story... I'm so sorry.
I have a buddy in the marines who had a near exact story to this. He isn't paralyzed, but he has severe nerve damage and is in pain every second of every day. The mental anguish is constant too. Lost his marriage, struggles with everyday tasks, has to work himself to death to pay child support because family court leveled him. The VA dragged him for years.
And all for what? What did getting blown up for Merikuh accomplish?
well nobody told em to go fight for george bush, i feel no empathy for him
I served mandatory military time, and my recruiter was too convincing when he said something like "sign or go to jail"
They did that deal a lot back in the day. Steal a car, and get the option of army or jail
Well, in my country, you don't even have to commit a crime. Every man who turns 18 has to join, even if he is disabled. The only thing that saves you is being a certified psychopath, and good luck finding a job with this.
@@MikeBarbarossa I didn't even do that. In my country, every man that turns 18 has to join the army, even the disabled ones. But what you said is definitely better than forcing everybody to join.
@@kakaouskiassounds a lot like South Korea.
@@Aaa-vp6ug of course it was a lot safer for soldiers and I served 14 months instead of 10 years, but the main principles of the military "commander is god" and "hate all foreigners" are probably the same in there too.
"But you guys will help me with that trauma, right?"
VA: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
[catches breath]
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
[catches breath again]
No. Not ever. We'll in fact fight your claim harder than every insurance agency *combined*
My husband was in 2 tours, came back with some fun mental issues, and the VA has been denying his PTSD claim for going on 8 years now...
@@murrfox add to this (truly sorry for these circumstances y'all have) while in-service mental health opportunities exist, actually using them only sinks a serviceperson's career
@@murrfox I see it all the time unfortunately. Have a friend that works with veterans. She says "everyone always says support our troops but do little to actually support or help them". After hearing that and hearing some of these stories it hits differently now. Hopefully your husband finds the help he needs.
They really do not expect you to return.
"A Nation is judged by how well it treats its Veterans." (George Washington) I guess we already know, especially those of us who've served.
You mean that my army recruiter fibbed to me, he seemed so honest.
Don't be sad and don't be blue...
Wow, just wait until you meet a lawyer!
@@Sylvael2002 yeah I hired one two months ago and I haven't heard from him since
@@SquatchStomper Sounds on brand unfortunately bro. Best of luck.
Every veteran watching this: "Honestly, probably an improvement over my actual recruiter."
Admitting that they are absurdly stupid.
This veteran agrees..
😅 Fortunately the VA has gotten better over the years..
Pretty much
@@nubianprincess2771define better? cuz they don’t pay contractors on time 😂.
@@gamingforever9121 I'm sorry to hear that. You will get your money (eventually)😏 Peace ✌🏾
I always feel bad when people tell me, "thank you for your service". I went in for a job and some focus. Once I found it, I left. It was not for any higher power or patriotism or love of war or country. Just needed to change my life.
That doesn't in my book deserve any praise. It is basic life needs.
Yep
Did you get an honorable discharge?
Thank you for improving your life, and by extension, improving society for all of us. No clue what you were dealing with, but improvements are improvements.
@@Franimus You just don't bloody get it, do you?
THANK YOU for telling the truth! That's been my belief for a long time, but I didn't dare say it: People join the U.S. military for a variety of reasons unrelated to love of country: To get college money; to get respect from their father; to get somebody else to pay for their ticket out of their tiny town; to be around weapons 'cause they think it'll feel badassy; because their menial job is boring and they just want to do something else; and so on.
You, garciavashchino1, might be the only person I know who will say what you said.
The part of the contract where it says it's illegal to quit is hilariously true. I have many friends who desperately keep trying to escape and somehow end up back on duty lmao
That's why you're supposed to read any contract before signing. If they won't let you sit there and do that nor take it home to read its a huge red flag.
Tell a 17yo to read a contract lmao@@callak_9974
@@callak_9974 Reading a contract before you sign it. Maybe you're not the kind of people we are looking for after all. We are looking for men and women of action.
All of my friends who tried to get out of the military ended up in jail.
@@nunyuhbusiness9016 There's only a few ways to get out of the military outside of fulfilling the term you signed up for (usually 4 years), most of it requiring injuries so bad they can't deploy you and would make life outside it suck even more.
"War is a racket" by Smedley Butler should be required reading in every highschool.
Butler died before Pearl Harbor unless the bankers control the JAPANESE
More than that. The principle of the "public commons" overall needs at least as much emphasis.
Not reading anything by some named smedley. I will never trust someone with that name
Ahh good old Major General Smedley
*snickers
Jesse ventura
The only real life's mistake I made and regret was joining the Army back in the late 80's. I rationalized that recruiters couldn't just lie, they were somehow held accountable and that there were checks and balances that would prevent that. At least it provided a valuable life's lesson, allowing me to understand how every TV commercial and political organization was full of shit and no one was going to hold them accountable, ever.
I guess that means you did not get the requested MOS of Super Delta Force ++ which also gave two strippers to each member of the squad? Sonofabitch! They pulled that on me as well!
Are the benefits ever worth it?
They’re soon going to label you, conspiracy theorist or disgruntled😂
Meh, I almost joined in 88, but the recruiter was so obviously full of shit that I dragged on the process for months. Ended up messing my back up on a dirtbike right before heading to MEPS, that's what I call divine intervention...
In switzerland military is compulsory. I got out due to health reasons but i hated the two weeks i was there. Bunch of incompetent assholes doing nothing important at all, youre not there to learn and be useful but to provide income for the old disconnected guys at the top who pretend to work. Also they can basically do whatever they want because they are the reinforcers of their own law, no accountability in sight
Since then i feel bad for all the people around the world who get tricked into the military (obviously ive felt bad for people impacted by real war before that). Hope youre all well and enjoy whatever freedom you have
I remember when the Airforce came to recruit at our highschool. They played a cool little video straight out of a Hollywood action movie. All i could think was "wow this would be so cool if hundreds of real people weren't dieing in these missle explosions"
Seriously. Movie vs reality is never more important than when the subject is war
Reminds me of a Beavis and Butthead episode where they were showed a recruitment video: The Army: We're looking for a few good headbangers!
Air Force in the ads: Flying jets, dropping bombs, rescuing people
Air Force in reality: Doing paperwork and menial chores for the two people allowed to fly jets and drop bombs
@@swistedfilms I remember that episode. I was humored by the collection of targeted recruiting videos the recruiter had.
If they showed you the video you must be qualified Air Force does not take dumb people. Maybe fat but not dumb
Join the Air Force they said. It's just like a normal job they said.
So, as I was bailing water out of my foxhole whilst sitting behind my M60, I began to think I was bamboozled.
What job does the Air Force have that you're in a foxhole behind a 60? Base security?
Ground Launched Cruise Missile and ABGD.
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@@my67falcon 🫡🇺🇸
AFSC 81150 security policeman Base defense force. AZR Asian Zone readiness Everyone who was in the cops going to either Vietnam or Thailand went through the training. Weapons and Combat skills.
Yet the Department of Veterans Affairs will deny disability pay as they say we were just security guards .
That ending doesn't hit like the ending of all quiet on the western front but its still surprisingly impactful.
that's a teaser, not the actual impactful ending...now drop and give me 10!
George: No really, this is brave! Splendid! Noble! ...Sir?
Blackadder: Yes, lieutenant?
George: I'm... scared, sir.
When I joined the Navy in 1980, the slogan was "Join the Navy and See the World". True enough, considering the world is 70% water. I have to say though, that my recruiter was extremely honest. He had a lot of valuable advice that helped me through boot camp, A School, and Nuke School. And he hammered it into me that it would never be easy. Boy, was he right.
Lucky you mine lied through his teeth and I knew him I got to basic and quickly found out this is the norm most times
If you passed Nuke School, you probably did not see much of anything until you got to a port.
I had a Navy recruiter hot to snag me outta High School. He liked my ASVAB scores so well, he came to my house to sell me on being in a submarine off the cost of Cuba doing surveillance. And I would've gone, too, except that I met the girl I would eventually marry. Sorry, Uncle Sam. =^[.]^=
I joined the Navy in 1980, got my gauruteed A school, went to the fleet, they tried like crazy to have me go Nuc, but after my 1st 4 years as an E-5, I rescoured to AW, and spent the next 15 flying in jets. So no complaints from me, and yes being at sea was great, seeing 37 different countries and all the craziness was a hoot! Got ou and did 22 years babysitting nuclear engineers for the navy. Now twice retired and going to live overseas like a king traveling where ever I want. So no complaints from me, I ain't rich, but I ain't poor either, just living good. ( raised 4 kids to boot!) So live your life gents, and make it worthwhile for yourself!
Just like they say in special forces, the only easy day was yesterday. 👍
Look at the bright side, people will continually "thank you for your service" for the rest of your life if you don't die.
Don't forget the "Thought and Prayers" if you die.
I wonder if people will ever realize how insulting both are.
I always felt angry about the people saying "thank you for your service",they don't give a fuk about it,and also the soldiers don't care about the citizens being grateful.
It’s something that was put out into the culture after the citizens treating Vietnam vets badly.
@@lostbutfreesoulthen why do vets do PSAs asking people to thank them for their service? You know that wasn't our (civilians) invention right? If you don't want to hear that maybe get your marketing on the same page. We were taught that's the way to act respectful.
@@mariposa9506 I gave @lostbutfreesoul one of his Thumbs up because it's an easy sentiment to express but is empty without backing it. For instance; WHY is so much money spent on our military if the members and the veterans are sometimes criminally neglected? That one has an obvious answer - so Why aren't people making more noise about it? Do you REALLY think that airplanes can hide from radar [without using their radar jammers] when rain and snow can't hide from it?
I always dreamed of being in the military, protecting people, the nation... my father served for more than 50 years (not in the US) and he told me it was the biggest betrayal he ever received. There is nothing to protect nowadays except their interests. Even if my dream was shattered, I believe my father saved me from several problems. ( sorry for my english )
Your English is pretty good actually, better than some native English speakers.
@HS-lv6wc Well, thank you very much. I'm still working on it, when i write a message, i have more time to structure a great sentence. When I speak i sound like borat 🤣
Wouldn’t have even known you weren’t a native English speaker, dude.
Just join and get a job where you aren't on the front lines. You don't have to kill people.
There is always something to protect.
That's what people don't understand.
You don't always see war coming, but when it comes for you, you'd better hope somebody is there ready and able to fight it on your behalf or it's your turn.
Frankly this was a rather toothless honest ad. It's much glimmer than this guy makes it out to be. Their are people in the military who qualify for food stamps... just let sink in for a moment....
Yeah I was thinking that too, he skims over the part that bothered me the most about the army, the insanely high rates of sexual assault. And the crazy amount of perpetrators that never face any justice. Funny video but I wish more people knew how bad the military really is at this point
@@chemiocremblac5527 Yeah and the fact they lie and cheat to get you in the door too.
Been there, done that, got a ton of shirts, got drunk illegally, sent to war, got shot at too many times, said ✌️, went back as a contractor, got paid, got shot at too many times, said ✌️ again, and I'm still finding sand in weird places decades later. Thanks, America.
Sand in weird places?? You mean like in your boots...right?? (I know you mean other places)
@@markh.6687he means in the “Guuuuch” the sweet spot between the cornhole and sack lmfao 🤣
Ain't nothing like picking out them sand boogers
I don’t like sand, it’s coarse, rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere
Honestly, too many fucking shirts. For every damn unit. Or morale drop. Or whatever.
Something tell me he was playing with the army men long after the camera was off.
Probably the most accurate Honest Ad you've ever done Roger... Remember kids, the order least to worst suckery is: Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Army, Marines. And NEVER trust a word that leaves a Recruiter's mouth.
And I think army and Marines might be interchangeable.
lol, my dad was drafted into the army. My uncles were worried they’d get drafted too, so they joined the marines thinking that was the safest option during the Vietnam conflict.
Heh. If people only knew about Uncle Sam's Confused Group. I saw six of seven continents in the Guard and drank myself silly on each. Tons of great people, but be warned - do electronics or electrician or telephone tech or machinery tech unless you're willing to do extreme backflips to get a commercial deck rating on the outside.
Coast guard and air force eats regular food, everything else that isn't marines eats MREs, marine eats crayons and glue.
Coast Guard is low key the best deal there is in the military. I went Navy
First thing they told me when I got to Navy basic training was "everything your recruiter said to you was a lie"
"If soldiers began to think, not one would remain in the army." -Frederick II (the great) of Prussia
lmao the way you presented "The Army is WOKE now!" is golden
Many people fear a diverse or "woke" armed forces are somehow weaker or less capable. As a vet, I could not disagree more. What a person is does not matter, only what you make them matters. It all comes down to training. Some of the most famous soldiers and hero's throughout history have been either gay, bi-sexual, women, gay and bi-sexual women you name it. You think a modern Marine could hold his own against a Spartan or even Roman legionnaire? No f'ing way and both were bi-sexual. The fiercest opposition the French Imperialists had in Africa were against a tribe of warrior women, the Dahomey Amazon who had controlled the region for hundreds of years. I would take a battalion of well-trained drag queens over mediocrely trained Chad's any day and prevail every time.
Sounds like a bunch of people who've never been in the military. Oh well, most MAGA can't quality on the ASVB.
@@kennixox262 Anti-siphon vacuum breaker?
@@tedwojtasik8781 honestly, i don't care if the person next to me is gay or a woman. as long as the woman next to me can drag me to safety as well as a man and the person next to me doesn't have an obscenely high chance of nixing themselves from the census, i couldnt care less.
However, given that the army is letting someone with known suicidal ideation stay in because "but im trans", i know full well that the psych standard's dropped harder than a frozen ball of mercury in a tub of radon gas.
@@killer13324”as long as the women can drag me to safety as any man can”
They can’t. That’s why the whole push of getting women in active positions in the army, police officers, fighter fighters and so on is a farce. Because rather than just hire capable applicants that apply and pass the exams, they have a quota. And if you have a quota, it means you’ll do anything to fill it, including cutting corners. Which is what we’ve seen in said industries. There isn’t “one” standard, they literally lower the bar for women because if they didn’t virtually none of the female applicants would pass the tests.
Have you seen female equivalents of those roles? They don’t look like MMA figures or bodybuilders who likely could possibly pass a variety of tests. They look like average women who are maybe toned. And what happens when you have a situation where there’s just women, but would require several _men_ to handle? You have a problem. And what ends up happening is female officers for example will use their guns more because they literally are incapable of restraining/intimidating a psychotic man on the loose. People talk about “police brutality” yet ignore this problem they’ve created by pushing for the outcome (more female cops) which exasperates this. Using a weapon should be a last resort, 1) because the crime could be resolved without it and 2) it could put bystanders in danger. It won’t just be strength tests that are lowered, but everything. Someone who’s quick to draw a gun and has less accuracy can lead to innocents in the crossfire more often. Men aren’t perfect obviously, but harm should be mitigated as much as possible and women are categorically more dangerous to use in these roles.
I’ve seen a video where even two women couldn’t restrain one man. All this does is put more people in danger (using lethal violence more, unable to restrain a threat, or takes longer/incapable of rescuing someone in the case of a fire). Heck, a teenage boy hockey team can beat a professional woman’s team. As an example of the wide disparity. Allowing them in active or combat roles is a danger to everyone around them. A scrawny guy like me would not cut it out for these roles… and yet people overlook allowing women in when they’re even worse. One or two (200-300 lb) jacked dudes would be able to pull out a 300-400 fat guy from a burning building. A size not uncommon in America. Now how many women would that take? How many women in these roles even _weighs_ 200lbs without equipment? It’s a complete joke, and only serves fools to feel like they’re “welcoming”, when all they’ve done is damn us all just so they can feel good about themselves. Because they don’t want to accept we’re a sexually dimorphic species, and have major biological differences. We’re not interchangeable.
"I mean, 'other countries' did this to us." NAILED IT.
This whole video is scarily accurate!
This video may as well be an ad for Helldivers 2.
It's somewhat accurate, but doesn't mention all the benefits. The retirement is actually really good for active duty after only 20 years. The key is move up as fast as you can, don't bother staying a lower rank because you'll do grunt work all the time. The first 5 years will be rough, the next 5 less rough and so one. If you become a senior NCO or Officer in the last 5 years, you're sitting on a golden retirement and can literally retire at age 37 if you join at 17. You can even save up 3 months of vacation and leave at age 36. The health insurance is ok, and you get a good physique while your in. Of course there's a lot of nonsensical things you have to put up with, but overall not as bad as many people think.
@@rs72098 "only 20 years"
You say that like it's a short amount of time.
@@rs72098 Ranking military personnel detected. Did you mention the part about actually serving during those 20 years? Did you serve on the ground? Did you watch the video? What you described sounds like ideal prison reforms in the case of a person doing 20 years. Also you're assuming that it is even possible to climb the ranks to such a position for every grunt who would sign up and most likely be put into the infantry.
I thought you were being sarcastic at first but you sound like someone who started very early and graduated into a higher rank than anybody signing up at a school in some economically depressed town where there are no other options and the video parodied the very outlook you are speaking from.
I don't recall all that many recruiters being a brigadier general.
That line, “standing in the cvs wondering if you’re even visible “ hit hard…
My nephew was in the army for four years and hated everything about it. So glad he got out of there and is finally home.
I had to drop out of HS when I was 16, but eventually went on to get my GED with honors 8 years later with no refresher courses. Not long after the Iraq war was kicking off and my sister, who had joined the Navy and transferred to active Army for a shorter tour, suggested I go to the Navy. Well, I stopped by a recruiter, took the little test and he straight up told me "You're too smart for this. You sure you want to join the military? We can always use coms officers, but you have real options." I was blown.
No need to read past "GED with honors" although you'll want to and probably will.
@@leedeimos3343 Didn't know it was a thing until I had one and it means exactly as much as you'd expect; practically nothing. Just means I didn't have to study to pass HS as an adult.
@@leedeimos3343 I was waiting for, "And then everyone clapped," at the end.
You were blown? You sure you don't mean *yr mind* was blown? 😂
@@michaelvanderwal7390 ya for real this 100% did not happen also if the recruiter wanted him to be a commissioned officer he would have recommend the green to gold type programs, so he can tell him he'll be a commissioned officer and get his # at the same time
"The US is an oil corporation with an army." - George Carlin
I've worked with a lot of veterans over the last 20+yrs:
Army always seems to take the most broken and desperate people because they have big quotas to fill each year. Army guys come out the most physically damaged with injuries and trauma, and the VA can be a nightmare to deal with.
Marines do OK.
Air Force gets the least amount of abuse and neglect.
More parents and recruiters need to be honest with their kids about what military life entails, including the stratospherically high divorce and infidelity rates due to deployments.
My father is a Vietnam veteran who served two tours. He warned me against joining the military.
He also pointed out to me that there isn't a generation of Americans who have lived there lives without seeing war. And he's still right.
Carlin was in the Air Force. His was a less then stellar enlistment.
Navy/Air Force is best, right?
@@oldnatty61 Carlin was also a conspiracy-brained moron.
Air Force is only for smart people. When I say smart; I mean elite and successful. I bet you $20 you do not qualify
"I joined the Navy to see the world, what did I see? I saw the sea"..😊
To be fair, over 70% of the planet is covered in sea water…
I did get to go to Thailand, that was pretty cool.
"I saw the sea"
The submariners don't even see that!
My best friend and his brother went into the Army. His brother actually saw combat, while my best friend stayed in the States. They both came back "different." They were pretty chill guys before they went in...they are now alcoholics and are always angry for some reason. They were fun to hang out with...but, now they act like something's always bothering them. We used to hang out all the time...but, I haven't seen either one of them in over four months because all the drinking and bad attitudes have made them insufferable.
“Other countries did this to us, I heard it in the news”
the news must be right all of the time - if it's in the news - why would anyone not believe that? It is the most reputable source around! (sarcasm).
That gave me a chuckle and at least let me know the general population is understanding the problems.
the Oligarch did this to the US
I got really lucky with my recruiter. He was really honest and told me exactly what to expect. He even suggested taking a shorter contract than what I initially was thinking so I could get a feel for how I liked it without it consuming all of my early 20s. Advised me not to let anyone pressure me into reenlisting if I didn't like it and gave me some good potential plans for either possibility. Been out for almost 5 years now and I can still honestly say he didn't mislead me or lie at all. No idea where he is now or what he's up to, but hope he's doing great.
The public is not ready for this brutal honesty!
And never will be. The best they can do is leave the shit alone so we can get the training that gives us the best chance of completing the mission and making it home.
They don’t sign up anymore so yeah
am i gonna teach by you either of that?
"So you can fight those dastardly ohhhhhh... Vietnamese."
😂😂😂😂
Wrong... what's in your future is picking up cigarette butts on the side of the road on Saturday morning; trying to clean up oil spots in the motor pool with dry sweep, (kitty litter) doing maintenance on vehicles that are never 100%, living in 1970s-era dilapidated barracks that may or may not have asbestos, and trying to get sleep in the barracks when your drunken comrades are blasting their stereos down the hall. Ask me how I know.
at least you are alive to tell the story
@@TpoJioJio47Obviously you are too… unless you’re a ghost 👻
@@epa316 what if i'm alive, but i'm ghost? :)
OMG. I lived for over a year in a building that was condemned. The base didn't have any other place for us and was waiting for new construction. The good thing about living in a condemned building was that there were no inspections. And then we totally trashed the place in the last couple months when we found out the new building was almost ready for us and this one would be torn down.
You know because you voluntarily joined a terrorist organisation that never does any good but devastates country after country after country after country after country.
What they fail to mention is you don’t always get the specialty that you asked for regardless of your ASVAB score. They just fill what ever spot they happen to have available at the time. So if you choose to sign up, make sure to ask for a guarantee. See how that works out for you!
Makes me think of "Star Ship Troopers".
Nice Sci-Fi display on what recruiters promise and how reality plays out.
Well at least in Star ship troopers, they get a citizen ship = The right to vote and have children, so to begin with they have nothing and cant do nothing without it, so its more or less blackmail Recruit slogan "Wanna have the right to do anything? Join the army because if you dont you are a nobody! "
I remember those recruiters at my high school cafeteria. I couldn’t understand them. I was either 14-17 depending on grade, so never old enough to sign up, or so I thought. I would see kids go up there, sometimes for the free swag. I just felt like selling my soul at such a young age wasn’t the wisest, and knew that I could always sign up later when I was a responsible adult. I was 18 in 2001, barely 19 when 9/11 happened. Patriotism was pretty fashionable back then. Red white and blue m&ms (in the fall), people selling pumpkins with the American flag painted on them at the local grocery stores… …where were the recruiters then? Not at my college.
I used to see them at my school and thought " oh they think we are as dumb as they are"
Once a recruiter pulled me out of class, I wasn’t even 18 yet, had to tell him 5 times to back off I ain’t joining unless theres a draft
They want to use you before you’re smart enough to know they’re using you.
@@rennoc6478That’s creepy. I think the district gets money for selling your info too because back in the days of landlines, once I was old enough, a recruiter called my house, and my mom answered. I was surprised that some strange unknown man was calling me, so I already had my guard up. Told him that I wasn’t interested.
@@ADMusic1999^ This exactly. There’s a reason you’ll never see recruiters at UCLA, Berkeley, Harvard, Columbia, blah blah blah. They know you probably come from an educated family or you yourself are educated and will ask questions. Your mind isn’t silly putty. That’s why they go to the shitty middle-of-nowhere suburbs in the Midwest and South to find the football star who feels lost now that high school is coming to an end.
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Thats the whole point - to recruit directionless young kids at their physical prime that think they are invincible. Another 5 or 10 years they generally have more common sense, a life plan and are older.
no, they would be in prison, next
You forgot the words "poverty stricken"
Pretty much, but the real bonus is the impressionable part. Super easy to turn an 18-26 year old into a sociopathic nationalistic killer with a wee bit of bullshit. By the late 20's most people see the scam. the lies, and the bullshit. I served in the USMC, went in 86' and bought it hook, line, and sinker. Thank god I got out before Desert Storm as I could not live with myself knowing now what I could not even understand then. Roger, and Gen. Smedley Butler USMC Ret. were both spot on, war is a racket and an extension of corporate interests exclusively.
The military can also take young kids and turn them into useful adults. Select the correct career field.
@xxsuperstarstxx9773 Never said there was no such thing, I pointed out, correctly, the military's age average of recruits. Of course there will be a handful of older recruits, typically people at a dead end or just trying to discover themselves but on the whole...nah.
This was long past due with the current recruiting crisis.😅😂
I remember when I got my GED. There was an army recruiter dude at the diploma ceremony skulking around like a lion looking to pick off the weak buffalo. It's insidious.
No just how it works in the world.
@@oldnatty61do you realise that the two aren’t mutually exclusive, right?
Also, kind of why we need to demand change, no?
@@Aaa-vp6ug It's all part of the journey.
@@oldnatty61 what does that mean?
Can you be a LITTLE abut more specific?
@@oldnatty61 be specific.
A military recruiter is someone you only expect to deal with once. My turn was 52 years ago when college deferments went away (enlisting was my way of avoiding the draft) so I'll have to take Roger's word for how it is today with an all-volunteer service.
Sure enough. I had a colleague that enlisted in the Navy during the Vietnam era for that reason. About a month after he shipped out, he got a call from the Army and his mom had to tell them about his enlistment. He got the job and training he wanted and spent time on a Destroyer.
today, they lie to u
Insane how accurate this is. I scored a perfect score on my ASVAB, literally perfect. I was told anything above a certain score and id be guaranteed one of my top choices in career. I picked 4 intel/cyber jobs (as those are the ones where you training will get you PAID when you go civilian), and yet funnily enough those exact 4 jobs were at capacity and instead they shuffled me over to the job that required one of, if not, the highest reqs...aircraft armament. Loading bombs, missiles, and ammunition onto fighter jets (different from the people that put together the munitions, who are called ammo). Weirdly, i loved every second of that job, it was super getting to play around with fighter jets and shoot the shit with pilots. I did however get my first choice in duty station, so i was stationed in Las Vegas. Where i loaded for the Air Force's equivalent of the Top Gun school for the Navy. It was loads of fun. Then of course i wrecked my back and was required to undergo a surgery fusing my spine to my pelvis with titanium and that was my career over. The story is more involved and will leave people flabbergasted at the sheer stupidity of the system, but until that point it was a blast. I continued aceing every test and exam, both physical and educational, and when I was medically retired...i had the training to do....exactly nothing in the civilian sector that I was capable of doing any longer and then I had the lovely chance to deal with the VA, which is a horror show.
But the actual time in the military is crazy fun. Everythibg from basic to injury was a total blast.
Yikes man... That was more twists and turns than a murder mystery.
You sound both similar and opposite my situation. Despite being intelligent and scoring high and the trying to force me to be a nuke.. I just went Corpsman to take care of Marines. I have always found more joy and fun in performing simple jobs because it's simple things done really well that build the greatest things. You can also find more opportunities to make everything and everyone around you better since its not as complex where you're simply trying to get a complicated result or product.
I ended up going cyber after injuring myself going Marine Recon. Haven't had many fun days in the military since. I think your experience had a lot more fulfillment. I am sorry you hurt your back. Ordinance guys usually deadlift at least 4 plates without working for it for a reason. I worked in a lumber yard in my early 20s. As soon as I quit, the first 3 hires after me ended up with back and neck injuries so I can only imagine having a bomb in front me trying to move it around or pick it up to affix to the wing of an aircraft.
Thank you for your service regardless. You should keep looking into cyber opportunities. AI probably gonna replace the larger need over the next decade as I head towards retirement, but you have a great opportunity to start now if you want.
The ASVAB is intentionally made easy so people feel good about themselves, IMO. I took it on a whim in highschool where it was pitched as a "free vocational test" and got a 96.
So will you do it again ?
Yikes, don’t they let you lift those 500 pounders with a small crane. What kind of fucked up shit did you have to carry to blow your back out before you turned 30
Good times! Rock and Roll!🤘🫡
As someone who served 5 years with two Iraq tours, and now passionately hates the military industrial complex, good! The military needs to be way more satirized and overall shit on in the mainstream media.
Problem is there's some real enemies out there and America is sucking wind.
As a veteran, this is spot on.
I think what I miss most is the gaslighting. You know your organization is great when leader ship uses gaslighting, threats, and intimidation tactics. Good stuff.
Fuck officers! They use us to advance their careers. I miss the camaraderie. The brotherhood. There's nothing better the being in a fucked up sucky situation and a brother cracking the perfect dry sarcastic joke, and driving.
My recruiter didn't lie to me. It was in a region where the economy was crashing hard. He simply explained to me the process for enlisting and I responded "Okay, sign me up." I had four good years followed by reenlistment followed by four not-as-good years. I left with my first college degree completed, $15,000 I had saved up, and a college fund for my next degree. I had a lot of experiences and got to live in two other countries (Japan and Korea). I have no regrets.
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My army recruiter didn't lie to me, but the guy who was "helping me" pick out my MOS at MEPS did.
Also, I started laughing once Roger said "...wearing a fun hat on a big boat"; and then once more when the rifle's butt stock fell off in the end. 😂
When I went through BASIC we had surplus Nam M16's. Mine had the Mattel imprint on the plastic pistol grip. It shot once after every cleaning. I could have gotten more shots off w/ a colonial musket.
True story: last year, my principal came into my classroom with two recruiters to "volunteer in my classroom". They wanted to come once a week and help my students with their academics.
I don't oppose volunteers on my classroom, but I put two caveats:
1. They had to be in civilian clothes.
2. They were there to help with academics.
They never returned
Sorry fellow American, I'm just a silly gal who lives in the Old World but the very concept of "army recruiters in classrooms" is so freaking dystopian to me. Perhaps because I live in Germany, but this struck a nerve.
What's wrong with teens these days? Why don't they want to die for politicians and defense contractors? Geez, really!
If that does not sound like Robert Heinlein nothing does.
Let me guess @EverettBurger; 'YOU teach at one of those exclusive Private Schools that is listing themselves as a "Charter School" to get some of that sweet, sweet education money siphoned away from Public Schools to give those Rich kids' parents "a break" on the tuition.....
Am I right? Am I close? Oh, I'll bet that I'm SO CLOSE to the truth because - if there's ONE THING that parents of kids and the kids who will be inheriting a fortune "Death Tax" Free ("thanks" George W) are eager to do, it's enlist in the military.
"Private School" Teacher, right @EverettBurger? Either that or you teach at a Charter School (where parents; YOU too can pay just PART of a too expensive tuition while the rest is siphoned away from Public School funding - what's that? You CAN'T afford it even then?).
Anyway, as Michael Moore said in his movie; "Ooooh, I'll bet that those military recruiters are headed for the *expensive* side of the city..."
Before the morning announcements, there were only two ads that showed on the tv in my school EVERY day. Coca-Cola, and army recruitment.
I've been out of school for 11 years now but that is the most dystopian ßhit ever
Look, you know what I mean. You take a bunch of people who don’t seem any different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem.' - Terry Pratchett
Dare I ask what school district you're from or county?
Not that I would have ever joined the military,but full metal jacket solidified my answer to a NO
Hasford was a Marine correspondent and who the Modine character was modeled after.
@@oldnatty61 I did know that,,he scared the shit out of me
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It is different then 1960's the drill Sargents are better ps not in the army never was but quite a few have stated that training has modrenized. PPS you do you just don't expect a full metal jacket experience.
"That's my little cannon fodder" 😂
Buahahha
Humorous but eerily accurate. One thing I love hearing, though, is the whole "Recruiter lied to me" thing. I heard some complete nonsense come out of the mouths of fellow Recruiters from all branches. As a Recruiter, one of the first things I'd tell Prospects was to conduct their own research. The iPhone came out a year before I went to Recruiter School. A lot of people had access to the internet even back then, so anything promised could be vetted before committing to a military contract. By the time I became a Drill Sergeant in the mid-2010s, the smart phone was ubiquitous. So, take what the Recruiter tells you with a grain of salt. The Station Commander (recruiting office supervisors in the Army) will usually talk to you before you go to MEPS, so feel free to ask them questions if you're confused about anything, but don't fully trust them--they're Recruiters too. Same with the First Sergeant if you talk with them. At MEPS, you'll be waiting for long periods, so pull out your phone and research.
A few tips:
You can't just "switch" from National Guard to Active Duty. Once you go Guard, you're considered Prior Service, limiting your enlistment options, and before you even think about going full-time, you need to get released from your unit and Guard contract. We turned away many who had been sweet-talked into Guard contracts.
"Once you're at Basic you can just ask for Airborne, Ranger, etc." Alternatively, "If you impress the Drill Sergeants, you'll get special schools or assignments". It doesn't work like that, at most, Special Forces and Ranger Recruiters will talk to the Infantry classes and one or two Trainees may get a shot. Also, back to the Guard thing, if you're Army National Guard, remember that the state pays for schools unless you're on Title 10 (Active) orders. So, if your Guard Recruiter is telling you you'll be Airborne Ranger Sapper Air Assault Pathfinder in no time, they are definitely lying.
If you're serving and get chosen (or volunteer for some reason) to become either a Recruiter or a Drill Sergeant, treat the kids like your own. No touchy-feely, no physical abuse, and remain honest and open. Contracts aren't easy to get, but your reputation is harder to regain if you cross ethical or moral boundaries. A lot of formerly successful NCOs spent their last months of service as Recruiters and Drill Sergeants before losing their rank and their benefits and getting unceremoniously booted.
Give it your all, but never neglect yourself. I spent the first half of my career solely devoted to the mission, at the expense of my own welfare. I didn't even start contributing to TSP (Thrift Savings Plan--think 401k for government employees) until I'd been in for eight years, and I wasted nearly 10 years of education benefits before starting college. I'm a slow learner, so it wasn't until after my Drill Sergeant time that I realized I had no work-life balance. My final few years were spent working more normalized jobs, serving under generals and alongside civilians, which was a vast difference from the mission first Infantry life I lived for 17 years. Now, it doesn't matter what I once did, or the hours I once worked. The only difference between me and my civilian coworkers is that I get decent retirement and disability checks the first of each month, and don't have to pay for health insurance.
Babe wake up, a new honest ad just dropped.
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As a Navy vet...This is so accurate and HILARIOUS 🤣🤣🤣
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I love this channel!!
They never told us 3/4 of the world is ocean. Chief's mess is in the name on its problem.
Joining the Army was the best decision of my life. My GI Bill payed for five years of college. I wasn't "recruited" at all. I knew what I wanted -- all the recruiter did was to arrange the paperwork
Some soldiers & officers have successful, rewarding Army careers. 🪖 Some don't. A lot of it is your MOS/career, the post you are at, special skills or qualifications, budgets-$. I served 1990s. QMP, RIF, no bonus, BRAC 🏚. DA-Regular Army did not care, did not want soldiers.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I was a medic in both a field artillery and a recon infantry unit during the 70s. They kept after me to go OCS but I declined. My experience as an Army medic made getting a job as civilian paramedic relatively easy because I had a jump-start in education and experience. I worked in EMS until I finished my grad degree and then switched over to field biology. I can't say that I like everything about it but, overall, my military experience was a positive one.
As a veteran there are so many quotable lines here I can't even pick one, but "target acquired' had me crying. Honestly, it's what you make of it. I don't regret my time in for a second.
yeah well people tend to justify their stupid decisions
@Playradise you think you're going to get a rise out of me? Think again.
I'm proud to have served, even for people like you, no matter what you or anyone else thinks.
Those are Roger's own toys that he is using. He has the best toys!
Horton just needs to get a song performed by someone with a dubious reputation for alternative activities at night. He better move fast though. All the good/bad ones are already taken.
For many the only way out of a horrible situation is through the military. I'll also say that unfortunately this is very accurate to exactly what happens.
And it's done that for many people, but it's on you. You have to go after it.
Read @LucidDreamer54321 comment below.
It why they push do hard to overpopulate the US. They don't care about abortions, they just want a bigger pool of desperate people with no other options. None of this is by accident.
Heck my recruiter lied about my medical issues just to get me into basic, where the same issues got me out in 2 weeks. They don't give a $#!^ about getting decent people in the military, they just want numbers to pad their recruiter requirements.
From what other actual military vets have said, a lot of countries are having issues recruiting enough people to fill the ranks in their militaries. They are so severely undermanned that they have lowered the standards to get butts into basic training and hope they can get them up to snuff there.
Ah maintaining quota.
The third largest driving force for misconduct within the Government.
The problem is there's less and less "decent people".
Mine specifically instructed me to lie about medical issues. I was a stupid kid with a lot of problems that I just wanted an out from and that guy could've saved me from a horrible fucked up experience just by telling me I wasn't cut out for it but he chose otherwise.
there is a reason the military focused on recruitment efforts at NASCAR events for awhile
As a veteran, joining the army was the best decision i ever made. Getting checks from the VA at 100% tax-free is nice. Medically retired before 35 and the only thing i worry about is boredom 😂
That "What job do you want to do?" point was sure on the nose. I considered going into the armed forces in high school which garnered A LOT of attention from various recruiters, but the only thing I was interested in was being a pilot. I could never get an answer on what the path to flying a plane would be if I enlisted. Notably, none of them ever told me I'd need a college degree in most cases anyway. Finally my uncle, a tank-commander in Iraq at the time, caught wind of this and said ROTC or the Air Force Academy would be the way to go to be a pilot. He had went in as a grunt and did not recommend doing the same. By then it didn't matter much as I was already accepted to an engineering program and figured I could fly as a hobby someday. Turns out that's a really expensive hobby.
If you wanted to be a real badass you could have gone Naval Academy.
0:10 honest ads sure knows how to work the camera for us. Got the gleen of the light for us too - with all the extra zoomed in details. Real gristle there - that's why they made this video for us. Honestly - we need this ad - the military is a huge vacuum for gamers who have nowhere to go have some larping opportunity.
Remember folks, the military doesn't have a monopoly on serving your country
Does it have a monopoly on serving the country's elite and devastating other countries for financial gain?
@@camelopardalis84 Nope! Work for any massive multinational corporation and you can get in on that action too!
@@camelopardalis84 You can become a politician
@@Hanstra Good commenter.
@@cdru515 You, too, are a good commenter. Go get yourself a treat. I know I sound sarcastic but I'm not.
I was in the Navy and while I polished a lot of brass when there were no flight operations, I did get to see the world on someone else's dime. Most ports were 3 to 4 days but there were some ports we pulled into that we stayed for 5+ days.
I've been to Italy, France, Greece, Virgin Islands, Malta, Israel and several more. The best was the organized trip from the port in Italy to Rome. Saw the Colesseum, the Vatican, Roman Bath Houses, and again I was paid while there.
Sadly I haven't been overseas since because it is so costly so I appreciate my time in the service!
"Good enough for government work" hits so hard.
So hard.
It shouldn't hit this hard.
Should I be concerned, as active duty, that this statement hit so hard?
0:42 i actually thought he was gonna say
"You have the most important quality the army looks for in a recruit.... *A pulse* "
“That’s my little cannon fodder” wins the internet today 😂
I was lucky, my recruiter was actually pretty decent and honest. I heard plenty of horror stories from the other recruits, like one had their recruiter offer to buy him a steak dinner if he dyed his hair pink before shipping to basic training. He almost took the offer.
Who knew the Pepperidge Farm guy would be so FUNNY?!😂
As a veteran of two different branches of the US Imperialist Military I endorse this very accurate message
My Air Force recruiters never lied to me back in the late 80s. The waiting list to go to basic training was 6 months long. In the mean time, they taught us drill and got us on a regular exercise program. We got to basic ready to go. Already practiced the luggage games and what to expect the 1st few weeks. My recruiters were great.
And they will make sure that once you get out with all of your issues, you will be so broken that the police academy will take you in with open arms.
Unless you have bad credit. Did four years in the Army, I tried to be a cop, passed the written and physical, got rejected for bad credit.
Strangely enough the hardest time military recruiters would be a thing in school was band class. Theyd be in the cafeteria but you could ignore them. But a couple times a year every year twenty minutes of band is army recruiters telling us about programs and opportunities available to us. I never listened to a word because ive never wanted to have any part in the military, but i also just couldn't wrap my head around the concept of being recruited into the military to play trumpet in a military band- whatever that meant, it brought up its own list of questions: why does the military need a band? Is that all the band members do? Is there one band for the entire country or does each division have their own band? What is the reasoning behind these bands? Who are they performing for and when? It never ends!
But tldr; recruiters did their recruiting pitches in high school in my band classes for some reason lol
It's called critical thinking. You have it or don't cuz it's not taught in public schools. It may have saved your life!
You already know how to march and drill!
Air Force vet here: DO NOT go in open general. You'll end up being Security Forces (possibly standing guard somewhere in -20° weather.)
I was suckered into joining the Army right after high school. Within the first day I'm getting yelled at over nothing and realized I had made the mistake of my life.
I don't regret my 4yr Army enlistment BUT looking back, 30yr + I would have done many, many things different. Waited a year to do DEP, sign my Army contract; 1990. Request a CONUS post guarantee. About 12 MP basic guys in my A-787 went directly to Fort Carson CO. Get-stay in much better shape 🏃🏼♂️ , Not drink or spend $ on booze 🍺.
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@@DavidLLambertmobile Can't change the past, but you can bring your lessons w/ you. Always forward.
Its conditioning. If you didn't expect to get yelled at in basic, you didn't do research.
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As an army veteran, I thought he was going to say your pulse lol
Veteran and was also actually a recruiter for the Marines as well. I do not feel that I ever misled anyone to join, but then I was not a very good recruiter when it comes to getting the numbers. I am curious if any of the ones I put in feel like I lied to them and if so about what. What causes a lot of the shady techniques recruiting is known for is the pressure on the recruiters. Recruiting has two outcomes generally, being really good for your career or really bad for your career (there is a third one that is supposed to be neutral, which is the outcome I got, and it was still negative). It comes up at the point where one decides if it is a career or not, like on the border of the 2nd and 3rd term or around 8 years in as it was for me. I was voluntold to do it, basically was asked if I was willing to be a recruiter, why not, and then given a choice of August or October to go to the training. To decline after that point would mean cancelling the promotion I was already selected for, and being unable to reenlist as was my plan, basically be forced out. The job is sales, the training for it is the same as sales techniques. And if you do not have the numbers you need, your life sucks. Therein lies the problem, basically whether or not the kid in front of you signs a piece of paper determines whether or not your life sucks and your chances of being promoted and such. Under those circumstances, it takes a kind of willpower most people do not have to not say anything that will get a signature, in any profession. It does not make it right or justifiable by any means, but its not something unique to military recruitment.
I hear that the guy whose spine slowly deteriorates in a tank is a great MOS with many civilian sector applications after you get out. God speed!
Did I just witness a Honest ad's warp stabilize at 2:52?
I am honored
Wow it’s a miracle this video hasn’t been taken down yet for reasons we all know 😅😅
This kid cracked me up, especially when Roger says, you can travel the world, to meet new people and then kill them or would a military recruit lie to you when they say you get army candy but it’s illegal to quit.
I literally had a classmate in grade school who would play those same war games at his on his desktop back in the ‘70s with those same sound effects … He got made fun of a lot … I hope he’s okay 🙏🏾
Heard good things about the VA 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Jeremy Clarkson: Still, could be worse...
I often wonder how many of the 22 brothers and sisters that off themselves each day, how many do it out of frustration, while on hold trying to get someone at the VA. The only time I think of suicide is when I'm dealing w/ the VA.
LOL 😅
How it should be! Honesty IS KEY
This is brilliant 👏 👏 👏 👏
"a sad satchel of under utilized organs" sent my neurons a buzzin