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Great set up. The MEGA 360 pod via the HB Control Head can display Side Imaging at your bow position. My trol mtr moves the boat 2.5 mph plenty fast enough to get good side imaging display. Slower just give more detail. realy nice for staying at the bow and SI a given area.
OMG! That is so much the truth! LOL!!!! Knot tying becomes so much more of an issue in your mid- to late- 40's as well. Keeping a pair of "Readers" in your boat at all time is as important as keeping gas in the boat!
I had to change my mount set up last year to one that was higher. Not only does it get harder to see, but hours of looking down so far was killing my neck in the morning. Bigger and closer to your face is better.
The single best investment you made was the updated trolling motor. I was surprised watching your videos that you didn’t have that spot lock. I have a $3000 86 Ranger and the first thing I put on it was a Ultrex. Almost Doubled the price of my boat but so worth it. 😂
How you saved $6000 on fishfinder equipment?!?! Lord son lol. I just skipped on by this video, but left a 👍. I’m not into fishfinders that deep, or my wallet isn’t anyway lol. I just bought a Garmin Echomap UHD 93SV and it killed me to spend that $600
Hey man, you’ve mentioned in other videos you could survive with just one graph. Would you consider doing a video showing how you’d run that type of setup?
Need to add that to properly use live scope you should use lithium batteries. The system requires constant 12v power, if your lead acid/AGMs drop to low or are to high the system will shut off. 12v lithium’s maintain constant 12v from low charge to full charge.
One question, when in spot lock on a windy day or river with current how do you keep the livescope pointing in the proper direction when its mounted to the shaft? My plan was to mount mine on a separate pole to allow more flexibility but after watching this video I'm wondering which way to go.
that is the exact set up on my boat, you'll love it. to save your self some cash, what I did is not spend the money to link the two. I do have the ultrex which forces you to buy a multi input controller to link. what ever unit I mark a waypoint on its saved to a chip. then at the end of the day or when ever , take the chip to the other unit and it loads and is saved on that unit to.
I enjoy your videos. You are fine with LiveScope on your Trolling Motor because you Bass Fish vs Crappie Fish & aren't using Spot Lock where it only puts you facing into the wind. It is way more troublesome.
I think people need to strengthen their skills with less bells and whistles. You don’t need all that stuff to be great. If you can read graphs and understand them then you don’t need the best of the best. Of course it helps but get good a reading before you ball put
I agree. It's an affordability thing. People who have the extra 5-10k to spend on their electronics will, but it's not necessary. My answer is, look at all the people who have won tournaments before all this was invented. I think it's not so much what you have, but how you can utilize it.
Love the setup. One question.....Since your livescope transducer is mounted to the trolling motor, when you're on spotlock does it constantly change where its reading as the motor keeps you in place.
I disagree with the no need for SI on the front deck. I have learned how to use my Garmin SI to scan an area and create a mental 360 view of an area and do this with my tm on lowest speed not spooking any fish. I did learn that high end GT52 Garmin transducer does this much better than the low end and if there's a sudden arrow change on my tm dururing the process I only get one lit blip line on screen then continues the image. I have no idea if this can be done on birds or lowrance? Enjoy all the FTM content and even though I got 40 yrs otw expirience and 15 fishing tournies I'm still a student of the game as I see fish getting tougher and tougher to catch with 5x the amount of anglers on the water now and all the advancements in tackle and sonar. :/
Great video! I have the same setup minus the Garmin...just added the Mega 360 late last year! Only got to use it once before storing the boat for winter. Can't wait to dial the 360 in. Thanks for all the great content!
My unit is 7 years old. Every year it gets better and better at its job. Real time feed back and never has technical difficulties. As long as I’m still strong enough to hold him over the edge of the boat by the ankles I’ll stick with what I been using.
I've seen others ask this...when using the livescope and spot lock with some wind or current I'm not able to watch my bait and the fish with the trolling motor turning back and forth. Im really interested in a video comparing separate pole mounts for the transducer
Another excellent video. I've been viewing and taking notes on your videos and they are terrific and my learning curve has skyrocketed. You do a great job in analyzing, explaining, and demonstrating your videos. I'm in the process of trying to figure out my electronics on a new boat I plan to buy. Your information is a tremendous help to me. I've been impressed with Wheeler's set up and you just showed me the sense in it. Thanks for the information and a job well done.
If it is true that fish get conditioned to the sound and vibrations of forward facing sonar and stop biting over time, then individual manufacturers have a chance to take the lead by simply building a sound distorter on the transducer that mixes up or masks the sound and frequency to keep fish from getting conditioned. Wait and see, this is be a huge selling point for the first company to do it.
Guys, all it would take to make the screen much larger is to develop a clamp on magnifier screen to fit above the normal screen. My friend built one and made his screen almost double in size for almost no money.
Hi Jonny, thank you for putting out these great videos! I will be putting a Helix side imaging unit on my console and would like your advice or anyone's advice that is experienced with these fish finders. If you were only to run one fish finder at the trolling motor, which unit would you go with. The Humminbird 360, or the Garmin Panoptix? Please let me know. Thanks, Tony
I didn’t and that was a mistake. I’m running a really nice interstate group 31, but I’m going to get a lithium put in ASAP. After 1 fishing day, my interstate battery only has 30% of its battery life left. It still gets the job done, but if I forget to charge it, it will die...
Good advice. I went with a Helix 7 for SI due to price and a Helix 9 DI on the bow with M360. The 7’s are running $800 now so its a good tradeoff for me.
Johnny, would there be any type of interference RUNNING a hummingbird helix 9 DI and a garmin unit running live scope on the bow. 2nd question is u mention a guy named john suka if my spelling is correct who runs live scope at his console and bow. Does he have a utube channel?
I have a helix gn3 on my old boat and got an Allison with a lowrance HDS. The mapping sucks. Think I’m gonna move my helix to the Allison. My si is better at about 7 mph I’m using a second livescope in perspective as my 360.
Thanks for all the good info but I could use some additional advice. I mostly fish a shallow river system with side lakes that average less than 10 feet of depth. Would any electronics be useful? If so, what would you recommend? Seems like most of the videos I see are in twenty plus feet of fairly clean, calm water. How do they look in ripping current or water filled with vegetation and debris? Appreciate your insight.
Johnny help a brother out pass that onix on down to a brother needs a good graph . Don't have one one front of the nitro basically cant afford one after the boat payment lol .. Awesome channel bro love randys daily content .
I'm currently just using a 10ft kayak. And don't really want to go bigger just yet. And I'm looking for a good single unit that can feet between my feet. And transducer I can hang off the side with a mounted pole.
I'm confused here. Having the livescope transducer on trolling motor makes it useless when you engage the spot lock. What are your fishing usage scenarios for this configuration?
Thank you, I love the channel and I love this set up. I really want to do something similar someday. I just wanted to ask you a clarifying question: since you said we don’t need the side imaging on the front unit, could you get the MDI GPS G4N CHO for $999 and have all the features you were talking about?
Great video and gives me something to think about as I'm upgrading also currently! Thanks for the basic, straight forward explanation. You may have stopped me from installing a side imaging transducer on my TM. If it came with the graph I'll put up front, would you just install that transducer at the transom?
I would get a puck transducer instead. They are much less likely to break when you hit a stump or rack and still give you 2D sonar which is all you really need. You can also got a trolling motor with a built in transducer: Humminbird Helix CHIRP Trolling Transducer w/ Temp www.tacklewarehouse.com/Humminbird_Helix_CHIRP_Trolling_Transducer_w__Temp/descpage-HSDT.html
Are you stating this because he talked about not having a SI graph up front ? And technically he does since the 360 scans to the sides,forward, back under the boat to a certain distance?
I would always have your best unit by your console. You will always need to use the graph by your console to find offshore fish first before dropping the trolling motor and fishing
A bunch of us fish and compete the way you used to 899s 999s no shallow water anchors you inspired us .... now you're the same as them on the other side...we'll miss ya I'll study the old videos
I agree. I loved whooping on outsiders coming to a tournament with all the electronics. It didn't do them any better than my surface temp, and old depth flasher. Now I don't bother to compete anymore. I'm not spending $6000 to see some fish. I upgraded my sonar on a budget buying older basic units on clearance. I try to fish any time but the weekends. I hate tournament s now!
i appreciate the time you spend on your videos, however, i have to disagree about the livescope transducer on the motor shaft. when you are spot locked, it is constantly turning and not aiming where you want it.
Man you deserve all this bud your such a good guy my son loves watching your videos . You are such a positive influence and love how much my son watches and learns from you
@@FishtheMoment yeah he loves it so much he got a hero 8 for Christmas and it going to stray making vids like you such a good feeling as a dad to know my son looks up to a good person and he is in a good healthy sport !
Please tell me why I cannot see my shaded path as I am charting when using auto chart live. Software is updated and is gn4 unit. What screen do I go to after hitting record and what settings to get the shaded area each side of boat to show as I chart?
I had an opportunity to get fish finders from all 3 major brands and made my decision based on what I want to use and what I believe in. I have used every fish finder on the market multiple times and wouldn’t choose to use a graph that doesn’t work. If I don’t find bass with my electronics, I can’t make videos, and I can’t make a living, so I can’t afford to put graphs that I don’t believe in on my boat. Hope that makes sense.
I don’t know if you remember me but I contacted you 2-3 months ago asking for your advice on setting up my boat with electronic. You said you were going to do this video. I was thinking just yesterday that I needed to bump you up about doing it! Just wanted to say Thank you! I enjoyed the vid and look forward to more coming up!! Thank you!!
Awesome video Johnny. I was thinking about adding mega 360 this spring but I’m holding out to see what Humminbird’s mega live looks like. What are your thoughts on the hydrowave? I’m strongly considering getting it but I’m skeptical.
I have one and will make a video about it later this year. I need to find a new mount for it because mine broke a while ago. It does work, but only in very specific situations
That's not true you can't say that. You can't compete against a person and machine and think you going to win. If that was the case you wouldn't be using the units. So I don't think this fear. Fishing in tournaments you need to bye units if you want to actually want to compete. Let's keep it real.
As I mentioned in the video, if you are fishing the bassmaster opens or elite series, having all of the electronics is mandatory. However, if you are just fishing a local club tournament once a month, you don't need all of the electronics to have fun and potentially win in certain times of the year.
@@FishtheMoment Okay we can agree to disagree. If you purchase a bass boat or any boat that have a motor it will come with some kind of electronic aboard that vessel. Yeah I guess if you fishing club tournaments in your home town maybe you should be able to not use Electronics. Keep up the good work bro I'm not one against you I just know fishing in Elite tournaments or going to different states and fishing in different Waters it's good to have Electronics not only to catch the fish. Electronics help you to keep your boat of float.
Why did you get a MSI control head on the bow? You can display your SI image from the console on an MDI bow control head, you can’t change any setting from the bow but you can see it if you want. That would save a few bucks as well
Yes you can save $150 buying the control head only, but for that $150 you can get the $400 (retail) MSI/DI transducer. At some point you may move that graph and need a transducer or sell the unit & you will no doubt recoup that $$. Just a suggestion...
You spent $12000 but saved $6000 doing it. . Kind of disappointing. I admired you for having a great sonar set up on older units bought off ebay, and fished as well as tourney anglers. I expected you to show these being used, but didn't think you were going to jump in. I'm kind of sour grapes on the new live sonar. I think it is unsportsmanlike to compete with them against those who aren't equipped as well. It is a lot like using a drone to hunt deer. Rather unethical. I enjoyed your videos on using basic sonar and fishing techniques. I have no intentions of purchasing such expensive sonar nor will be interested in how to operate them or waste time watching you cheat fish. Perhaps all the wealthy anglers will be watching. I may review some older vids, but you lost me on this one.
Hey! Can you help give me some advice on my current setup? I just bought a 2000 Triton TR21. It came with a Humminbird 899 HD SI much like your 998. That unit is at the console, and I have a small 688 I believe mounted into the front dash. For now, I uncooked the 688 and installed my Garmin 74 CV UHD I had off my skeeter. So here comes where I'm having troubles figuring out what to do next... I have thought about A. Buying a garmin 93 SV to mount at the console and link to my 74 up front and probably remove the 899. B. I have thought about simply ordering the interlink system and running new power wires to the 688 so I can have 2 units linked pretty cheaply. C. I have thought about buying a used HDS 9 or 12 Gen 3 carbon and leaving my 899 on there. I have a friend that has a HDS 9 and I really like how well the 2d sonar reads. And from videos I've seen, their side scan and structure scan is pretty dang good. Or D. should I just leave the 899 alone and buy LiveScope for my Garmin up front? Also, I will mention that I have a Humminbird 1197 on my Bass Tracker. It also has a ram mount, so I can actually take the 899 off and have the benefit of a 11-12 inch screen on my new triton and utilize the same power and transducer cables. As far as I've seen (only had the boat on the water once before I found it has a bad live well hose leak), the side imaging seems to work pretty dang good on my new triton. So I might just be wasting money buying an extra unit except I won't have two units linked unless I go the B option. I just really want to learn to fish deep this year like you do. Thanks! I look forward to your advice.
Question, Why didn’t you get the Garmin 1022 instead of the 1022xsv. (Isn’t the “ xvs “ the same unit but the addition of mapping and down and side imaging). Also did you purchase the transom mount transducer with your Garmin ? Sorry if a n00b question, just trying to sort these units out.
Just picked up a killer deal on some gently used 8 month old units. Got a gen 3 8si gen 4 10 si and a mega 360 for 2500 dollars off a guy thats on a fb group that im on. They will be a nice addition to my sey up gen 1 helix 12 and a ipilot ultrex. Looking forward to watching your 360 videos ive enjoyed your offshore tutorials. I fish mainly rivers and only occasionally get to travel to lakes. Got a trip coming up in a couple weeks looking forward to putting this new hardware to use as well as some of the things ive seen on your channel. Tight lines.
They both have different advantages and applications. I will make a video explaining the difference in the coming months. The biggest difference is that I can use the 360 imaging when my ultrex is on spot lock
So....would we like to remove all the mystery out of fishing ,or hunting for that matter? If you could just KNOW where every fish is at, at any given moment, is this what we want? If you knew exactly what each one would bite, would that be ideal. Hate to waste casts or time to actually figure things out. I mean hopefully we can watch the fish work the bait on these screens also. So we ALWAYS KNOW. We just want fish. All the fish. All the answers. Dont get me wrong, I use tech ,.love it most of the time. I use On X and gps out hunting. Trail cameras would be fun too. So I'm talking to myself here mostly. Anyway...what are we really after out there?
Great info as always! I just ordered a new boat with the same Helix 9 units front and back. It's good to know I at least have the foundation for the more advanced setup you described
"Not necessary to have these $3000 fish finders with giant screens" says the young man, LOL. When you get over 40, you'll understand why some of us like those 10 to 12 inch screens. Also get you some Windex Vinegar to clean those screens, it's great.
I bought a boat that had two HDS10's at the helm, Replaced both with Helix G4 9" MSI. It had an ultrex upfront but no locator. So I added another Helix 9" and a 360 transducer. Then I added a Garmin for when a LVS 34 gets here..
I'd be interested to know what setup you think would be best for a kayak. most of us only use 1 graph. I'd really like to have side imaging but keeping 3-5 mph to scan as you said in the video is unrealistic
Good info. Im considering getting humminbird for front and back w 360 on front. Also probably garmin livescope. Question- on the front how could I use 360 in conjunction w my waypoints?
I find Humminbird’s model terminology very confusing. It’s not clear to me what the difference is between G3N vs G4N for example. Would you please share the model numbers of your new Helix 9 units?
I have all thAt except the garmin on the front of my boat I’m waiting for the hummingbird mega live to come out and I’m putting that on my helix 10 and I have a helix 9 at the Console
I like your rational approach, that we normal folks can afford. I try to find one model old and refurb. Refurb are the only units actually tested before shipping. And I agree 9 inches is the sweet spot especially now with the widescreen display format. I wound up with a Lowrance Elite Ti2 with Active Image transducer for less than $700 bucks. I just picked up an HDS 9 Gen 2 to hook to my Motor Guide ducer. NMEA 2000 will connect the whole system and give me an autopilot using the Xi5. Got the Motor Guide used for $1200.
Thanks for the great video. I subscribed because your stuff is so very helpful. You mentioned one thing in here that I'd never heard before and I wonder if you might elaborate? You said the side imaging was only clear if the boat is moving at 3 to 5 mph, so don't get it as part of the trolling motor. If that's true I can't understand why it's an option on the Minn Kota trolling motors. I'm looking to upgrade electronics on my boat and was hoping the side imaging would be useful as I use my trolling motor to jig for walley.
This video is great and it was definitely a huge help. I did still have a few questions regarding your front hummingbird Helix 9 setup. I noticed your Ultrex has a built in transducer but I can't tell which one it is. Are you soley using this for your front Helix for 360 imaging or do you have it connected to your trolling motor transducer as well? Is your trolling motor transducer MSI or only MDI? Is your front Helix MDI only or did you get the side imaging? I'm trying to see if there is a benefit to me buying an ultrex with MSI or if i shoud go with the MDI model that is a bit cheaper.
Since your 2 Humminbird units are linked, isn't it possible to have one show what the other sees? Such as having your console unit display the 360 image or having the bow unit display the SI image from the console?
You're the most transparent of all the UA-cam fishing channels. We gotta find a way to get you north of 100K subscribers. By the way, are you doing any traveling in 2021? Would love to see you do "lake specific" segments where you attack well known lakes across the country and show how your techniques apply to that specific body of water. Start on my lake first....the Smallmouth Capital of North America - Lake St. Clair (Macomb, Michigan). :-D
Garmin says their transducer needs to be 8 inches above the Ultrex motor. No issues? Also, there is a separate pole for the Garmin that allows both hunting with your Ultrex and the ability to separate and hold a Garmin position while in spot lock.
I've got a Helix 9 MDI g2n. It shows a great down image but I can't get the 2d to show up fish and stuff without setting to 18 plus sensitivity.. can you tell me your exact settings for your 9 please
your mega 360 really isnt clear in the video compared to how mine looks that I installed (wish i could post a pic)...maybe it was just at the given moment...im in the process of installing the live scope as well so appreciate the video to show how you have it mounted etc...love your videos
I was thinking about hiring you but you lost all credibility with your "I had the opportunity to get the best but I decided to get the low budget model to be just like you guys and show you that you don't need the good stuff to catch fish."
Would be curious to know your opinion after now having both and using 360 and live scope. I am a hummingbird guy and I am undecided on which direction I want to go 360 or live scope curious to know what you would recommend if you had it chose between the two.
With the humminbirds linked do you just buy one lake master card ? And have the maps on both units? Or do you have to buy a card for both units? Thanks in advance I love the vids have a great day
Good stuff bud. I am trading in a bay boat this week to go back to a bass boat, I will have a similar setup to what you have, Helix 9 G3N MSI on the dash, Helix 10 G3N MDI up front with Mega 360 and an Ultrex non-link. No Garmin for me, I find the Mega 360 does a good job of locating the fish and structure for me.
I fish small waters with electric only. Seems like you’re saying that I shouldn’t bother with buying side imaging? Feels like I should be able to dial in the settings to get decent results at trolling motor speeds?
I love my Helix 9 on cosole, and I have a Helix 10 with Mega 360 setup...AND, I bought a Garmin Livescope up front too! So I too have Humminbird and Garmin combo up front!! Love your vids Johnny!
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Great set up. The MEGA 360 pod via the HB Control Head can display Side Imaging at your bow position. My trol mtr moves the boat 2.5 mph plenty fast enough to get good side imaging display. Slower just give more detail. realy nice for staying at the bow and SI a given area.
Your still young, when you get into your mid to late 40’s you will understand why screen size matters.
OMG! That is so much the truth! LOL!!!! Knot tying becomes so much more of an issue in your mid- to late- 40's as well. Keeping a pair of "Readers" in your boat at all time is as important as keeping gas in the boat!
Tell me about it!
I'm waiting for someone to produce a 20 inch screen.
lol
True that. At 50 I need a bigger screen.
I had to change my mount set up last year to one that was higher. Not only does it get harder to see, but hours of looking down so far was killing my neck in the morning. Bigger and closer to your face is better.
I hear ya!
The single best investment you made was the updated trolling motor. I was surprised watching your videos that you didn’t have that spot lock. I have a $3000 86 Ranger and the first thing I put on it was a Ultrex. Almost Doubled the price of my boat but so worth it. 😂
How you saved $6000 on fishfinder equipment?!?! Lord son lol. I just skipped on by this video, but left a 👍. I’m not into fishfinders that deep, or my wallet isn’t anyway lol. I just bought a Garmin Echomap UHD 93SV and it killed me to spend that $600
That's a great unit and will still get the job done! I'm just an electronics nerd! haha
@@FishtheMoment the bass tank also frees up that wallet. Peeped the sweatshirt man
Yea,gotta get that 1600 puck and box
Hey man, you’ve mentioned in other videos you could survive with just one graph. Would you consider doing a video showing how you’d run that type of setup?
Need to add that to properly use live scope you should use lithium batteries. The system requires constant 12v power, if your lead acid/AGMs drop to low or are to high the system will shut off. 12v lithium’s maintain constant 12v from low charge to full charge.
One question, when in spot lock on a windy day or river with current how do you keep the livescope pointing in the proper direction when its mounted to the shaft? My plan was to mount mine on a separate pole to allow more flexibility but after watching this video I'm wondering which way to go.
Simple.. use 2 anchor poles
can't beat this truth in advertising. Great job. God bless you
I just upgraded to a helix 10 di on the bow of my boat. Saving up for a helix 12 si for the console.
that is the exact set up on my boat, you'll love it. to save your self some cash, what I did is not spend the money to link the two. I do have the ultrex which forces you to buy a multi input controller to link. what ever unit I mark a waypoint on its saved to a chip. then at the end of the day or when ever , take the chip to the other unit and it loads and is saved on that unit to.
I enjoy your videos. You are fine with LiveScope on your Trolling Motor because you Bass Fish vs Crappie Fish & aren't using Spot Lock where it only puts you facing into the wind. It is way more troublesome.
I think people need to strengthen their skills with less bells and whistles. You don’t need all that stuff to be great. If you can read graphs and understand them then you don’t need the best of the best. Of course it helps but get good a reading before you ball put
I agree. It's an affordability thing. People who have the extra 5-10k to spend on their electronics will, but it's not necessary. My answer is, look at all the people who have won tournaments before all this was invented. I think it's not so much what you have, but how you can utilize it.
Love the setup. One question.....Since your livescope transducer is mounted to the trolling motor, when you're on spotlock does it constantly change where its reading as the motor keeps you in place.
I disagree with the no need for SI on the front deck. I have learned how to use my Garmin SI to scan an area and create a mental 360 view of an area and do this with my tm on lowest speed not spooking any fish. I did learn that high end GT52 Garmin transducer does this much better than the low end and if there's a sudden arrow change on my tm dururing the process I only get one lit blip line on screen then continues the image. I have no idea if this can be done on birds or lowrance? Enjoy all the FTM content and even though I got 40 yrs otw expirience and 15 fishing tournies I'm still a student of the game as I see fish getting tougher and tougher to catch with 5x the amount of anglers on the water now and all the advancements in tackle and sonar. :/
You can do what you questioned on Lowrance
I fish in the kayak league, and I have a gen 3 Helix 9 msi+ and mega 360 and a heading sensor. As far as kayaks go im as advanced as you can get lol.
Great video! I have the same setup minus the Garmin...just added the Mega 360 late last year! Only got to use it once before storing the boat for winter. Can't wait to dial the 360 in. Thanks for all the great content!
My unit is 7 years old. Every year it gets better and better at its job. Real time feed back and never has technical difficulties. As long as I’m still strong enough to hold him over the edge of the boat by the ankles I’ll stick with what I been using.
Hummingbird and lowrance are finally catching up to garmin livescope which has been dominating for the last two years
I've seen others ask this...when using the livescope and spot lock with some wind or current I'm not able to watch my bait and the fish with the trolling motor turning back and forth. Im really interested in a video comparing separate pole mounts for the transducer
Another excellent video. I've been viewing and taking notes on your videos and they are terrific and my learning curve has skyrocketed. You do a great job in analyzing, explaining, and demonstrating your videos. I'm in the process of trying to figure out my electronics on a new boat I plan to buy. Your information is a tremendous help to me. I've been impressed with Wheeler's set up and you just showed me the sense in it. Thanks for the information and a job well done.
If it is true that fish get conditioned to the sound and vibrations of forward facing sonar and stop biting over time, then individual manufacturers have a chance to take the lead by simply building a sound distorter on the transducer that mixes up or masks the sound and frequency to keep fish from getting conditioned. Wait and see, this is be a huge selling point for the first company to do it.
I have a Solix 12 and I absolutely love it!! I don't know hot to use it, but I love it! LOL
Guys, all it would take to make the screen much larger is to develop a clamp on magnifier screen to fit above the normal screen. My friend built one and made his screen almost double in size for almost no money.
Hi Jonny, thank you for putting out these great videos! I will be putting a Helix side imaging unit on my console and would like your advice or anyone's advice that is experienced with these fish finders. If you were only to run one fish finder at the trolling motor, which unit would you go with. The Humminbird 360, or the Garmin Panoptix? Please let me know. Thanks, Tony
Did you upgrade to lithium batteries or add an additional battery to support all the graphs?
I didn’t and that was a mistake. I’m running a really nice interstate group 31, but I’m going to get a lithium put in ASAP. After 1 fishing day, my interstate battery only has 30% of its battery life left. It still gets the job done, but if I forget to charge it, it will die...
Jonny, great show. You saw the livescope on my boat. The live scope screen does not need to have those grid lines showing, you can turn those off.
Good advice. I went with a Helix 7 for SI due to price and a Helix 9 DI on the bow with M360. The 7’s are running $800 now so its a good tradeoff for me.
Johnny, would there be any type of interference RUNNING a hummingbird helix 9 DI and a garmin unit running live scope on the bow.
2nd question is u mention a guy named john suka if my spelling is correct who runs live scope at his console and bow. Does he have a utube channel?
I have a helix gn3 on my old boat and got an Allison with a lowrance HDS. The mapping sucks. Think I’m gonna move my helix to the Allison.
My si is better at about 7 mph I’m using a second livescope in perspective as my 360.
Thanks for all the good info but I could use some additional advice. I mostly fish a shallow river system with side lakes that average less than 10 feet of depth. Would any electronics be useful? If so, what would you recommend? Seems like most of the videos I see are in twenty plus feet of fairly clean, calm water. How do they look in ripping current or water filled with vegetation and debris? Appreciate your insight.
Johnny help a brother out pass that onix on down to a brother needs a good graph . Don't have one one front of the nitro basically cant afford one after the boat payment lol .. Awesome channel bro love randys daily content .
Thank you Johnny! Just picked up a 9 instead because of this vid! Thanks BRO!
I'm currently just using a 10ft kayak. And don't really want to go bigger just yet. And I'm looking for a good single unit that can feet between my feet. And transducer I can hang off the side with a mounted pole.
I'm confused here. Having the livescope transducer on trolling motor makes it useless when you engage the spot lock.
What are your fishing usage scenarios for this configuration?
Thank you, I love the channel and I love this set up. I really want to do something similar someday. I just wanted to ask you a clarifying question: since you said we don’t need the side imaging on the front unit, could you get the MDI GPS G4N CHO for $999 and have all the features you were talking about?
Are you sure my ex didn’t write the title? “Honey, I saved $500 at the mall”. Me, “But how much did you spend?”
Great video and gives me something to think about as I'm upgrading also currently! Thanks for the basic, straight forward explanation. You may have stopped me from installing a side imaging transducer on my TM. If it came with the graph I'll put up front, would you just install that transducer at the transom?
I would get a puck transducer instead. They are much less likely to break when you hit a stump or rack and still give you 2D sonar which is all you really need. You can also got a trolling motor with a built in transducer:
Humminbird Helix CHIRP Trolling Transducer w/ Temp
www.tacklewarehouse.com/Humminbird_Helix_CHIRP_Trolling_Transducer_w__Temp/descpage-HSDT.html
The mega 360 transducer has side imaging built in 🙄🙄🙄
What’s your point?
@@DuckCommander417 shut up and watch the video and you will understand.
Are you stating this because he talked about not having a SI graph up front ?
And technically he does since the 360 scans to the sides,forward, back under the boat to a certain distance?
@@mayhemmahan840 correct. But 360 also has a side imaging mode so there’s no need for a SI transducer if you have mega 360.
@@lfcskater ah ok interesting for sure
I am still using 998si on console and 798hdsi on front. If I upgrade do you recommend upgrading at console first or up front with new technology
I would always have your best unit by your console. You will always need to use the graph by your console to find offshore fish first before dropping the trolling motor and fishing
A bunch of us fish and compete the way you used to 899s 999s no shallow water anchors you inspired us .... now you're the same as them on the other side...we'll miss ya I'll study the old videos
I agree. I loved whooping on outsiders coming to a tournament with all the electronics. It didn't do them any better than my surface temp, and old depth flasher. Now I don't bother to compete anymore. I'm not spending $6000 to see some fish. I upgraded my sonar on a budget buying older basic units on clearance. I try to fish any time but the weekends. I hate tournament s now!
i appreciate the time you spend on your videos, however, i have to disagree about the livescope transducer on the motor shaft. when you are spot locked, it is constantly turning and not aiming where you want it.
just makes no sense to mount a forward view sonar as the lsv 32 on a trolling motor with spot lock,just saying,IMO
Man you deserve all this bud your such a good guy my son loves watching your videos . You are such a positive influence and love how much my son watches and learns from you
Thank you! I'm glad your son enjoys the content!
@@FishtheMoment yeah he loves it so much he got a hero 8 for Christmas and it going to stray making vids like you such a good feeling as a dad to know my son looks up to a good person and he is in a good healthy sport !
Please tell me why I cannot see my shaded path as I am charting when using auto chart live. Software is updated and is gn4 unit. What screen do I go to after hitting record and what settings to get the shaded area each side of boat to show as I chart?
We smell free sinars for adds?????
I had an opportunity to get fish finders from all 3 major brands and made my decision based on what I want to use and what I believe in. I have used every fish finder on the market multiple times and wouldn’t choose to use a graph that doesn’t work. If I don’t find bass with my electronics, I can’t make videos, and I can’t make a living, so I can’t afford to put graphs that I don’t believe in on my boat. Hope that makes sense.
Sure wish these companies would include the good transducer with the unit!!!!!!!! $$$$$$$$
You've come a long way from a couple of years ago when you used land references and didn't have a heading sensor puck on your boat.
I don’t know if you remember me but I contacted you 2-3 months ago asking for your advice on setting up my boat with electronic. You said you were going to do this video. I was thinking just yesterday that I needed to bump you up about doing it! Just wanted to say Thank you! I enjoyed the vid and look forward to more coming up!! Thank you!!
Thanks for the video idea and sorry for the delay!
Could we link up and fish together? I feel as if I would learn a lot just fishing next to you. I’m too rookie to understand all this
Johnny you can now add the old fish finders to your kayak!
Awesome video Johnny. I was thinking about adding mega 360 this spring but I’m holding out to see what Humminbird’s mega live looks like.
What are your thoughts on the hydrowave? I’m strongly considering getting it but I’m skeptical.
I have one and will make a video about it later this year. I need to find a new mount for it because mine broke a while ago. It does work, but only in very specific situations
Thanks for the video .... informative to prospective electronic customers ..... How much for Bass Tank to install ? ... that is included ?
It depends on your boat and the specific graphs you are having them install. You can give them a call to get a quote.
You should have added the cost of the Ethernet switch, Ethernet cables, and adapters for a more complete cost.
I am still using a 2d that is like 18 plus years old. Sooooooo my brother you want to toss one of those old units my way ; ).
Where can I buy the mount for the paniotix transducer mount on the shaft of the trolling motor?
that is called the LiveScope perspective mount. It should be around $99
I thought my 500 buck unit was alot of $. Guess I'm just poor.
This is what I been waiting for! Awesome video dude! 👊🏽🔥🔨
That's not true you can't say that. You can't compete against a person and machine and think you going to win. If that was the case you wouldn't be using the units. So I don't think this fear. Fishing in tournaments you need to bye units if you want to actually want to compete. Let's keep it real.
As I mentioned in the video, if you are fishing the bassmaster opens or elite series, having all of the electronics is mandatory. However, if you are just fishing a local club tournament once a month, you don't need all of the electronics to have fun and potentially win in certain times of the year.
@@FishtheMoment Okay we can agree to disagree. If you purchase a bass boat or any boat that have a motor it will come with some kind of electronic aboard that vessel. Yeah I guess if you fishing club tournaments in your home town maybe you should be able to not use Electronics. Keep up the good work bro I'm not one against you I just know fishing in Elite tournaments or going to different states and fishing in different Waters it's good to have Electronics not only to catch the fish. Electronics help you to keep your boat of float.
what mount are you using for live scope transducer?
Why did you get a MSI control head on the bow? You can display your SI image from the console on an MDI bow control head, you can’t change any setting from the bow but you can see it if you want. That would save a few bucks as well
Waitin for the Livescop videos from you. Thx
Yes you can save $150 buying the control head only, but for that $150 you can get the $400 (retail) MSI/DI transducer. At some point you may move that graph and need a transducer or sell the unit & you will no doubt recoup that $$. Just a suggestion...
You spent $12000 but saved $6000 doing it. . Kind of disappointing. I admired you for having a great sonar set up on older units bought off ebay, and fished as well as tourney anglers. I expected you to show these being used, but didn't think you were going to jump in. I'm kind of sour grapes on the new live sonar. I think it is unsportsmanlike to compete with them against those who aren't equipped as well. It is a lot like using a drone to hunt deer. Rather unethical. I enjoyed your videos on using basic sonar and fishing techniques. I have no intentions of purchasing such expensive sonar nor will be interested in how to operate them or waste time watching you cheat fish. Perhaps all the wealthy anglers will be watching. I may review some older vids, but you lost me on this one.
Hey! Can you help give me some advice on my current setup? I just bought a 2000 Triton TR21. It came with a Humminbird 899 HD SI much like your 998. That unit is at the console, and I have a small 688 I believe mounted into the front dash. For now, I uncooked the 688 and installed my Garmin 74 CV UHD I had off my skeeter. So here comes where I'm having troubles figuring out what to do next... I have thought about A. Buying a garmin 93 SV to mount at the console and link to my 74 up front and probably remove the 899. B. I have thought about simply ordering the interlink system and running new power wires to the 688 so I can have 2 units linked pretty cheaply. C. I have thought about buying a used HDS 9 or 12 Gen 3 carbon and leaving my 899 on there. I have a friend that has a HDS 9 and I really like how well the 2d sonar reads. And from videos I've seen, their side scan and structure scan is pretty dang good. Or D. should I just leave the 899 alone and buy LiveScope for my Garmin up front? Also, I will mention that I have a Humminbird 1197 on my Bass Tracker. It also has a ram mount, so I can actually take the 899 off and have the benefit of a 11-12 inch screen on my new triton and utilize the same power and transducer cables. As far as I've seen (only had the boat on the water once before I found it has a bad live well hose leak), the side imaging seems to work pretty dang good on my new triton. So I might just be wasting money buying an extra unit except I won't have two units linked unless I go the B option. I just really want to learn to fish deep this year like you do. Thanks! I look forward to your advice.
congrats on your new toys. Love you have been doing withouut all these for so long!
Question, Why didn’t you get the Garmin 1022 instead of the 1022xsv. (Isn’t the “ xvs “ the same unit but the addition of mapping and down and side imaging). Also did you purchase the transom mount transducer with your Garmin ? Sorry if a n00b question, just trying to sort these units out.
Just picked up a killer deal on some gently used 8 month old units. Got a gen 3 8si gen 4 10 si and a mega 360 for 2500 dollars off a guy thats on a fb group that im on. They will be a nice addition to my sey up gen 1 helix 12 and a ipilot ultrex. Looking forward to watching your 360 videos ive enjoyed your offshore tutorials. I fish mainly rivers and only occasionally get to travel to lakes. Got a trip coming up in a couple weeks looking forward to putting this new hardware to use as well as some of the things ive seen on your channel. Tight lines.
@fishthemoment SUPER SUPER informative vid and in depth but can you tell me why you have 360 imaging and the panoptix both?
They both have different advantages and applications. I will make a video explaining the difference in the coming months. The biggest difference is that I can use the 360 imaging when my ultrex is on spot lock
I think the 360 is better for targeting and positioning on structure while panoptix is better for targeting active fish
So....would we like to remove all the mystery out of fishing ,or hunting for that matter? If you could just KNOW where every fish is at, at any given moment, is this what we want? If you knew exactly what each one would bite, would that be ideal. Hate to waste casts or time to actually figure things out. I mean hopefully we can watch the fish work the bait on these screens also. So we ALWAYS KNOW. We just want fish. All the fish. All the answers.
Dont get me wrong, I use tech ,.love it most of the time. I use On X and gps out hunting. Trail cameras would be fun too. So I'm talking to myself here mostly.
Anyway...what are we really after out there?
Great info as always! I just ordered a new boat with the same Helix 9 units front and back. It's good to know I at least have the foundation for the more advanced setup you described
Thanks Tom! I’m be making more videos about the Helix 9 and how to set it up in the near future! 👍
"Not necessary to have these $3000 fish finders with giant screens" says the young man, LOL. When you get over 40, you'll understand why some of us like those 10 to 12 inch screens. Also get you some Windex Vinegar to clean those screens, it's great.
Looking for a good kayak setup
I bought a boat that had two HDS10's at the helm, Replaced both with Helix G4 9" MSI. It had an ultrex upfront but no locator. So I added another Helix 9" and a 360 transducer. Then I added a Garmin for when a LVS 34 gets here..
I'd be interested to know what setup you think would be best for a kayak. most of us only use 1 graph. I'd really like to have side imaging but keeping 3-5 mph to scan as you said in the video is unrealistic
Good info. Im considering getting humminbird for front and back w 360 on front. Also probably garmin livescope. Question- on the front how could I use 360 in conjunction w my waypoints?
I find Humminbird’s model terminology very confusing. It’s not clear to me what the difference is between G3N vs G4N for example. Would you please share the model numbers of your new Helix 9 units?
I have all thAt except the garmin on the front of my boat I’m waiting for the hummingbird mega live to come out and I’m putting that on my helix 10 and I have a helix 9 at the Console
I like your rational approach, that we normal folks can afford. I try to find one model old and refurb. Refurb are the only units actually tested before shipping. And I agree 9 inches is the sweet spot especially now with the widescreen display format. I wound up with a Lowrance Elite Ti2 with Active Image transducer for less than $700 bucks. I just picked up an HDS 9 Gen 2 to hook to my Motor Guide ducer. NMEA 2000 will connect the whole system and give me an autopilot using the Xi5. Got the Motor Guide used for $1200.
Can’t spot lock and use panoptix though.. i guess if you use then interchangeably it’s no big deal.
Thanks for the great video. I subscribed because your stuff is so very helpful. You mentioned one thing in here that I'd never heard before and I wonder if you might elaborate? You said the side imaging was only clear if the boat is moving at 3 to 5 mph, so don't get it as part of the trolling motor. If that's true I can't understand why it's an option on the Minn Kota trolling motors. I'm looking to upgrade electronics on my boat and was hoping the side imaging would be useful as I use my trolling motor to jig for walley.
This video is great and it was definitely a huge help. I did still have a few questions regarding your front hummingbird Helix 9 setup. I noticed your Ultrex has a built in transducer but I can't tell which one it is. Are you soley using this for your front Helix for 360 imaging or do you have it connected to your trolling motor transducer as well? Is your trolling motor transducer MSI or only MDI? Is your front Helix MDI only or did you get the side imaging? I'm trying to see if there is a benefit to me buying an ultrex with MSI or if i shoud go with the MDI model that is a bit cheaper.
We have a mega360, 2 solix 12s and 1 solix 15
Since your 2 Humminbird units are linked, isn't it possible to have one show what the other sees? Such as having your console unit display the 360 image or having the bow unit display the SI image from the console?
You're the most transparent of all the UA-cam fishing channels. We gotta find a way to get you north of 100K subscribers. By the way, are you doing any traveling in 2021? Would love to see you do "lake specific" segments where you attack well known lakes across the country and show how your techniques apply to that specific body of water. Start on my lake first....the Smallmouth Capital of North America - Lake St. Clair (Macomb, Michigan). :-D
I’d like to see your advanced course . Pm me
Just upgraded myself but grabbed 3 93sv uhd and will be adding livescope soon. Will be under 3k total after selling my old 997 and 788!
Nothing about this setup says "budget", I get it tho
Garmin says their transducer needs to be 8 inches above the Ultrex motor. No issues? Also, there is a separate pole for the Garmin that allows both hunting with your Ultrex and the ability to separate and hold a Garmin position while in spot lock.
I've got a Helix 9 MDI g2n. It shows a great down image but I can't get the 2d to show up fish and stuff without setting to 18 plus sensitivity.. can you tell me your exact settings for your 9 please
your mega 360 really isnt clear in the video compared to how mine looks that I installed (wish i could post a pic)...maybe it was just at the given moment...im in the process of installing the live scope as well so appreciate the video to show how you have it mounted etc...love your videos
I was thinking about hiring you but you lost all credibility with your "I had the opportunity to get the best but I decided to get the low budget model to be just like you guys and show you that you don't need the good stuff to catch fish."
Don't forget you MUST have at least a 50ah Lithium battery @$500
Would be curious to know your opinion after now having both and using 360 and live scope. I am a hummingbird guy and I am undecided on which direction I want to go 360 or live scope curious to know what you would recommend if you had it chose between the two.
With the humminbirds linked do you just buy one lake master card ? And have the maps on both units? Or do you have to buy a card for both units? Thanks in advance I love the vids have a great day
I have the helix and the 360 . I cannot get and image like yu displayed.. not sure if water clarity has lots to do with it .
Good stuff bud. I am trading in a bay boat this week to go back to a bass boat, I will have a similar setup to what you have, Helix 9 G3N MSI on the dash, Helix 10 G3N MDI up front with Mega 360 and an Ultrex non-link. No Garmin for me, I find the Mega 360 does a good job of locating the fish and structure for me.
I fish small waters with electric only. Seems like you’re saying that I shouldn’t bother with buying side imaging?
Feels like I should be able to dial in the settings to get decent results at trolling motor speeds?
I would just get a livescope unit if you're in a small electric boat. The image will be a lot clearer and easier to interpret as well.
I love my Helix 9 on cosole, and I have a Helix 10 with Mega 360 setup...AND, I bought a Garmin Livescope up front too! So I too have Humminbird and Garmin combo up front!! Love your vids Johnny!
If the trolling motor is on spot lock, and constantly moving, how can you use the live scope to view one area effectively??
If you want to get rid of your old ones let me know
Dad and Grandpa never used fish finders......