The God Particle plugin - what does it actually do?
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2022
- Today I test out The God Particle plugin against my personal mix bus chain to find out what it can do, who it’s for and if it will find a place in my mix template. 🎧 promixacademy.com/course/mixi...
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Have any of you tried this out yet? What do you think?
I try to avoid 1 knob wonders unless I can really save a bigger chain like what you are doing & it still get's me really close to what I'm looking for. Always great videos.
I own it and I use it on every mix
One plugin on the mix buss is simply no fun for me.
I love to seek out which saturation works best for the song, after that I try some character compressors, tape emulation etc. This journey is part of the fun for me.
I think is a rip off 80 pounds for this plugin is not worth it your mixbus is perfectly fine and always reference track your mix A/B test on subs, studio monitors, and computer speakers with mini subs, if they all translate your done ✔️
It’s the kind of plugin you think doesn’t do much but then , after a while , you feel something is missing when you take it out.
Not talking about the limiter or EQ, I take these ones out to replace with mines
Sara, you simply are the best videos on UA-cam my friend! I LOVE what you do! Thanks ever so much for the amazing work you do!
Agreed, Sara is a powerhouse of information!
@@harmonystudios1182 Sara is the best of the best!
Wow, thank you!
You want crackers to go with that butter?
And also your video are awesome. ...
Your videos are the most chill
Thanks!
useful vid, helpful general takeaways on mixing that seem universally applicable
Glad it was helpful!
In order to get mine to hit the high setting it wants I had to run an EQP-1A in the master bus before the god particle and crank the treble up on it to 11. When the treble shows up on the right side of god particle, the sound isn't dark anymore.
I am wondering if this plugin is really just doing most of the mastering process and if I should disable modules later in Ozone because of it.
Thank you very much, Sara.
You are so welcome!
Beautifully the God Particle has Sara Carter's curve as well. Thank you auntieee.
You are so welcome
I've fallen in love with it. Created my best mix ever today with it. Helped me obtain the right balance of elements. Not fond of the limiter section, I bypass it into a Pro-L.
That’s great! There’s a new version of the plugin just been released but I don’t know if they’ve changed anything about the limiter that might make it better for you.
@@SaraCarterSimplyMixingyes the update version sounds better plus implemented oversampling up to 8x
New sub. Love your channel and explanations. Learning a lot! Keep it up!
Awesome, thank you!
Has ProTools not an exclusive solo feature? When A/B-ing you kept muting and un-muting the buses which caused little gaps in playback.
Sara I was Wondering, do you discuss your "All Bus" system, in any of your mixing video lessons that you off to sell?
Hi! Thank you so much for your clear explanations and very entertaining presentation as always. I must admit that I lost interest (sort of) in the plugin after hearing, that it comes with a preset for the equalizer settings. Or can they be turned off?
Oh, ok, you mention it: the eqalizer can be switched off… but not really? You say: „bare in mind, that you‘re getting a curve and a plus 5db“
Yes, there will be a built in EQ curve applied but you can turn off the limiter completely.
@@SaraCarterSimplyMixing Ok, thank you - so the EQ > can not be turned off, but the limiter > can be turned off? I think I got it!!! Mh, I tend not to like anything too pre-pre-presetted. Maybe I should! Thank you again for clearifying this detail! Details in a foreign language can be tricky :-)
The overall brightness of your mix is better, but out of the box, I could see this changing a lot of people's final mix bus.
I also must say, the breakdown of your signal chain was appreciated. It's always interesting to see how people use individual plug-ins to push certain nuances of the individual tracks.
Glad you found it interesting JL
I got this one some weeks ago had had to remaster a dozen songs when I found out how good it was! So my mix bus suddenly got very slim. My mix/mastering chain is now this: UAD ATM-102 into the God particle, then Ozone 10 and for last the smart:limiter. I only use the limiter very early on in production, then turn it off when I get into the last stages of the mixing where I add the ATM, Ozone 10 and the smart:limiter.
Nice, what sort of % do you use from the Character dial?
@@SaraCarterSimplyMixing I leave it at 100 for the most part, a bit like you with the Inflator, I mix into it. So I get the multi band compression, widening and depth I need from it. I guess you could have the input into the God Particle a little bit hotter than on the video and you would get "enough" on 100 % setting. If the signal is lower the effect also get less noticable. Also I often add 1 dB with an EQ using a high shelf from 1kHz.
I’m using the exact same chain….. uad ATM-102, God Particle (limiter off), Ozone 10. Great results 💪🏽
@@eargazmmusic Yes, it is amazing that you get a perfect master with just those 3 plugins (if you have a decent mix to start with). Mastering a song and getting a perfect result take like 10 - 20 minutes with those plugins (if the mix is decent).
Hi, i have a little bit out of topic question, is the project setting at 24bit depth? 'cause i saw dithering at 24 on L2 limiter, i usually work at 48/24 so my question is, if i work with this setting and export at the same sttings (i rather render offline 'cause i pass through an Analog Heat MKII just to add a little bit of saturation, to my ears it rounds a little bit the hashness feeling of a project based mostly on digital sounds) do i need to use dithering on the limiter anyway?
Even though the session might be set to 24bit, internally the DAW is running at 32bit floating point, so bouncing out a 24bit mix should have dither applied (as far as I understand it) unless it's going to a mastering engineer. I believe some DAW's do this automatically so it's worth checking before adding a dither plugin. It's confusing though because some say that you don't need to dither from 32bit floating point to 24bit, so in all honesty, sometimes I do and sometimes I don't and nothing bad has happened yet!
@@SaraCarterSimplyMixing ok, yeah, it's a little bit confusing but since all DAWs should work at 32bit internally i should apply dither through a limiter or on the DAW settings (in Ableton you can enable or disable it) before exporting, it's still quite confusing anyway tho, 'cause if i render some tracks online i can't apply dither of course so i wonder if i do many online renders of various stems (sometimes i render stems when i do some heavy processing with plugins that are quite CPU hungry instead of freezing the track), i don't know if i'm adding noise to noise but i never heard anything strange anyway but i think i will apply it from now on, at least on the final track, on the limiter if i render online, on the DAW if i render online. Mani thanks you for the answer :)
Hi Sara.... Thanks heaps for this outrageously helpful walkthru.. Well the GP indeed is a charm.. But by no means a one knob wonder could ever match your color.. There's a trillion reasons- you know it better.. Whats take home for me is YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS...
Much love - Rezi..🤓👍
Glad it was helpful!
@@SaraCarterSimplyMixing Indeed - As always...🤓🎉
@Sara Carter - nice rundown of your chain vs. the "God Particle" plugin. Have you yet come across Ian Shepherd's "Perception A/B" Loudness Compensation plugin? When comparing different Gain Structures, it seems most sensible to employ this, as a guard against the Loudness Bias which can affect so many audio aesthetic comparisons (even if inadvertent or subliminal). Cheers! :)
Interesting, thanks!
btw, Have you considered, (or do you offer), a course on routing, templates, PT setup, etc...?
Yes I have, in fact I'm toying with a course on that right now! What would you like to see in it?
Great review. Did you adjust tonality on the individual tracks when first mixing into your mix bus chain? If yes then I would think that had you mixed into the God Particle mix bus you would have made "similar" adjustments when mixing into the God Particle and perhaps would have ended up adding a touch more highs on the individual tracks, yielding a brighter result on the mix. If no, I would tend to think on your mix bus that the Oxford Inflator was adding the desired highs with your Curve setting. I totally am in agreement that building a multi plugin mix bus chain offers much more flexibility, And the Oxford Inflator is a total gem!
No, the mix was "flat" going into the mix bus. I tend to agree regards having a multi plugin chain.
Paul Frindle the developer of the Oxford Inflator actually says to start with the effect slider at full 100% and adjust the input and output accordingly. You are using it the way he intended but you probably knew that already.
I didn't know that! haha!
Thanks for your videos Sara. I have a question, I learned in the box, I feel like have a healthy consistent sound by now. I constantly keep on struggling with integrating VU's at the end to take some reference. I also saw that video on your channel and it's something I've gone back and forth a lot. I think I can see that your VU is set at -14 dB FS & sometimes you are hitting +5. Would you tone it down paying more attention to the VU or would you just wouldn't mind that + something & stick to the Master Out not clipping? I hope I made some sense there. Thanks again
Hi, bear in mind, this is at the very start of mixing, and I know I'm going to be adding compression and limiting on various tracks and busses so I know the +5 is only temporary. I will keep the meter open throughout the mix prep phase until I'm happy with a static mix with my preliminary favourite plugins instantiated. Hope that helps!
I use this on my mixbus right from start of every mix, regardless of genre. After gain staging the individual tracks and busses into it, I try to be hitting the input of this plug-in at the bottom of the green box input meter. After all track and bus level effects and compression I want to be at top of the green box input meter.
I still like to place an eq before GP on the master bus, depends on what I feel would work best but I often reach for Pulsar Massive. Will also add Gullfoss from time to time after that eq. If master needs more glue than GP I may add a buss comp after the eqs, Pulsar Mu, Overloud 670, DDMF magic death eye tend to be favorites for me there.
If only use eq in GP as some minor tweaks, if at all. I leave the big knob at 100%. Keep limiter on for quick demo to artist or for cross check across car, portable speaker, phone, earbuds etc. Limiter back off and print when moving into mastering stage (try to separate from mixing stage by a day or two if you can).
GP is a great plug-in but it won’t fix a poor mix. I don’t think it will really help you fix a poor mix either. I do wish that the multi band meter target box for the high band was shifted more to the left so you can see how close/far you are from the high band target. I almost never hit that box consistently, a few peaks will light up, but not like the mid and low bands. I hope they change the Ui there in future release to make that meter more effective.
Good review Sara, starting to watch your content and you offer a lot of solid advise and perspective that newer engineers should consider. Take care
Great way to use GP Kyle, I agree regarding the high target box too. Thanks for sharing your workflow, very helpful
Brilliant.
Thanks
70 % solo dwn a hair and vox up a hair harmony down a hair done...sounds good 🖖
Hi Sara, thanks for doing this video-very informative! I have been regularly checking to see if you have posted any further videos since your last studio tour, which I throughly enjoyed and I eagerly await your update on it:-) Best wishes
You are so welcome!
I notice some wide stereo imaging in god particle plug in. In subtlety ways but there is. So my conclusion is: this plug combines exiter, compression and phase mod in some frequencies to achieves that sound.
You could be right! It's a bit of a guessing game with what it does. Thanks for watching!
thanks sara
You're welcome! Thanks for watching
This is a terrific video, thank you! I did try a trial of this plugin. I didn't perhaps try it as thoroughly as I should, but my impression was that it made things sound 'professional' easily; but that it was not very helpful in trying to craft my own sound. So, it certainly has its uses. For me, both as a learner and as someone mixing (and to the extent that I can, mastering) her own work, I don't think I'm ready for it. There are other tools that are much better with which to learn and to explore different possibilities.
That's really good reasoning BF and I agree regards tools for learning.
Good morning or good afternoon Sara, thanks for the wonderful video. I am a blind engineer with a little bit of vision, and I am also sponsored by Cradle. The reason I am sponsored by them is because I am helping them evolve, their software to be accessible with apples, voiceover utility, they were also amazed of how I’m hitting my meters without not being able to see too well. I would love to know if there’s any chance that I can speak to you to find out if you could teach me a little more about this plug-in even though I’m doing well with it but just want to get a little more hands-on if possible and of course, would love to share my story. What is the possibility that you and I can speak sometime thanks for everything
Sara , fine review 👍
Thank you!
Joshua Jaycen says 9 times out of 10 you will only hit the High target box occasionally. The Mid and Low targets are the ones to hit consistently as that is where the voltage is.
Yes, I've heard him say that but I think it would be more intuitive for users if it reacted more like the low and mid targets.
@@SaraCarterSimplyMixing Yes I agree. I feel a bit in the dark with the highs the way it currently is. I just set them by ear which is how it used to be done and still mostly is.
Hi Sara, many thanks for this, very helpful. Really appreciate your style and delivery, as I’ve said before nothing worse than the “Yo, it’s your boy……..” type channels. More of your own philosophy and methods though would be great. Keep doing it. Ian
You're so welcome!
yo its yo nuoy
Subtly racist 😂
The crest factor in the highs are almost always more dynamic than the lows and mids.
Which one would expect given that the Limiting (or Compression) Time Constants (Attack, Release times) for most Analog Emulation Devices are typically fixed, and do not usually track with applied frequency.
Hi Sara, have you checked out Marc Daniel Nelsons new plugin? Pulsar Modular P455 sidecar. The sound it gives is incredible
I'll check it out! Thanks
My current thinking is this plugin reflects trends in audio engineering at the time it was created, and trends change, so how long will the sound of this plugin remain desirable?
New versions to upgrade to 😉
Bought this and it’s a useful tool. I use it and the try to make a start, if I’m going to master my own tracks, I’ll pull it if and dive in with an aim to make my master sound better. It’s good to test your ears. Like you I find I can get a clearer result with my own chain. Also I know some complain about the limiter, but I find it quite nice.
Good to know!
the MB has a band of 120hz and below, and then a band at 900 to 2k hz.
Neve, Fairchild, good
i sure enjoyed this one! the hype on this plugin has concerned me, you did such a great job comparing your experience and chain with this single plugin. thank you for. a bit OT question: I noticed your wave files for each track were smaller. I wasnt sure if that was a sizing setting (as protools for me sometimes changes that) or if that's an intentional recording level you use? this video goes straight into my Sara Carter folder! thank you!!!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I didn't record the tracks and as far as I recall, I had the waveform zoom set to default
Using this for a few weeks and I really like it. I only dial up the limiter to get a sense of how the overall balance may shape up after the mastering engineer has gone to work on it but not when mixing. Will be interesting if they release other mixers starting point profiles as presets.
They claim it's a wonderful, wonderful limiter that could be released as stand alone but I know of people who vehemently disagree, not a huge fan of the limiter. I've used it for about 5 months now and for best results I suggest using a trusted limiter you know really well.
Interesting, thanks for sharing that JC
Good video
Thanks!
Oxford inflator is like magic fairy dust
Hi, bought it and it feels and sounds cheap! I prefer the doing processing the right way!
Haha! Interesting, thanks for sharing!
hi watched your video and your info and knowledge it was well pass me, sounds like you love your buses take care i'm not shore to purchase i feel it would be good for me as i don't have that much experience mixing take care i gave thumbs up and subscribed to your chanel
Thanks 👍
I would like to see exactly what is happening internally with that plugin and the ui does not help much for a more surgical decision making, an expert mode button would help a lot
Good idea!
I PUT THIS PLUGIN AT THE END ON MY VOCAL CHAIN BEFORE REVERB AND DELAY ON DEFAULT SETTINGS AND IT CUTS MY VOCALS THROUGH THE MIX SO MUCH BETTER
I have yet to see a youtube review that has a finished mix that lights up the "high" level indicator. Same for my mixes; I see no "flicker" on the highs. Several reviewers like yourself just slapped a high shelf eq to get into range, which seems a bit silly after you've worked so hard getting the spectral curve of your mix right. I see this as one of the main flaws of the plugin, and something which I'd like to see addressed in a future revision. Otherwise, it does have some nice secret sauce mojo...
Yes, I agree
Yes, I found out the 'high' doesn't ever hit. you have to use your ears on that one!
I wouldn't add an EQ before GP to boost the highs, I believe the idea is to add those highs throughout the mixing process. I find the main parameters I use are the Input & Output in order to maintain the target level going In and level match going out (assuming the mix is leveled & gain staged). The limiter works well but it feels more for test-squashing a mix for loudness. It's clean but with no ceiling, attack or release parameters I would rather just stick with a more than capable 3rd party limiter. As mentioned in other comments, it does feel like the EQ is more for minor tweaks. Low (shelf at 100Hz), Mid (bell at 600Hz-ish) & High (shelf at 9khz-ish) the EQ does have fixed slopes & curves so it may be modelled from a console Jaycen Joshua preferred, or maybe its for giving that smiley face EQ vibe. Overall I really like the GP but its not a secret-sauce and it certainly won't fix bad mixes. Cheers Sara!
Great insight, thank you!
your such a great actor those head movements nice
Thanks...I think!
@@SaraCarterSimplyMixing YOUR WELCOME I MEAN IT IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY. YOUR VERY GOOD
I think i like the God Particle better cuz it sounds warmer but if you had adjusted your static mix i think it you would've had a more similar sound rather than tweaking the GP for your mix ! and btw i think the Inflator does add brightness so that's what you're probably hearing i don't think it's the recording.
Warm is dull. It’s a terrible term that plugin marketing has made an internet term for newer engineers.
Yeah I agree LOOΠΔRISM, I should have played the tracks without any processing for a more complete comparison I think, but I only realised that when I was editing the video!
Not necessarily, warm signals can still have high frequency content, don't you think? The issue is the subjectivity and vagueness of these terms when trying to describe sound
GP. Is much warmer at start..
Even thought this is running through a compressed UA-cam Algorithm, I like your mix bus better than GP. Your bus it’s giving it a lot more energy and it sounds like its controlling/shaping the overall track. Thank you for your time and knowledge.
Glad you enjoy it!
He mixes into it
The most "real" review of this plugin.. I feel like most reviewers often get on the congratulatory wagon too soon. Thanks for putting it through it's paces. I'm actually not convinced this is meant for all genres of music. Maybe those other promised EQ curves might address that in the future.
Glad it was helpful!
The verve of the bloke who 'invented' this. it's just a bunch of eq and compression in AI architecture. I think it's because of the word 'GOD' and his ridiculous reputation in the current music scene. The guy is a sleaze.
God didn't put more of anything in this plugin but all in Sara long time ago...
a long long time ago
This one really doesn't ring my bell. Getting a sound on the mix bus isn't such a time-consuming job that I feel like I need a do-all processor to speed it up.
the GOD particle, on every track, lol
19 minutes later
Came here to hear what the God Particle actually does, 15 minutes in haven't heard a thing! Dropping out. Respectfully, best of luck with your efforts
Get your ears checked dude
@@manuelleivatalledo615 Hi, it has been quite some time that I made this comment and your reply made me reconsider. Maybe I was wrong or rude and my intention was never that because I happen to respect and like Sara Carter. So I watched it again until the 15th minute barrier and there is literally no audio passing through the plug in. A thorough explanation of other plug ins, a quick runthrough of the plug in interface, the way Sara's template is set and so on. So, luckily my ears are just fine, thank you for the interest!
Try to mix into The God Particle as intended, then you’ll get what you are missing.
Thanks Sara - good review. I'm afraid this plugin isn't for me. I suspect The God Particle may be a false prophet 😉
Haha, I see what you did there!
I really wanted to watch this video but I was 9 minutes in and never heard the plugin. Nothing. Just talking.
Just explaining and giving context for the comparison...
🙄
Between minutes 20-23 I can tell the plugin is confusing you... its meant to be mixed into. You compared a whole cocktail of adjusted plugins with the god particle untouched/unadjusted. Not a true comparison in my humble opinion. The god particle isn't supposed be your whole mix bus like the chain you made. Try using that chain going into the god particle instead and tweak your chain into it well without the l2 or whatever limiter your using since god particle has a limiter or you can put whatever limiter after the god particle instead too
Yeh...no.
This is snake oil, love.
It's glorifed BBE 432 maximizer from the 1980's.
I would stay away and use your own years.
Haha! You could be right!
As a convinced atheist, i disapprove of this blasphemous plugin. And being 100% serious, there is no real way of tweaking with this entity
Another toy that will be misused by many and ruin music
Sorry Love, you’re brill…but you talk too much!