Dorian Yates On Why Flex Wheeler Never Beat Him
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If 70% gives someone great results they'd probably think 70% is the correct way to train.
True
but its well known that flex kind of abused drugs
He admitted to cheating a lot on Burger King.. if he was even 90% he would have been better and unstoppable..
I will use this quote in the future.
But if flex were really only 70%, that means he would at 100% destroy Ronnie too?
markus rühl said once in an interview, that flex was such a lazy rat. he would look at weights and get big. thats how gifted he was. yet flex was so damn lazy.
No wonder his hammies and glutes were never shredded. He didnt go that extra mile
Paul Dillet has entered the chat
Him(flex) and cormier used to party a lot, maybe that's why.
You get flex lazy and then you get asthma induced Dillett lazy...the Dillett stories are legendary..ask anyone but the Gary Strydom assessment on Dillett was hilarious. .so too that Australian promoter who brought Dillett over in 93...they thought he was trolling them with his workout before doing the guest pose. ..dude did twenty minutes of free weight lunges whilst on his cell phone..
@@jldp24 Is there any vid of this ?
Dorian is so honest, it is astounding. Flex was cursed with great genes, and he never "looked or searched for it..."
I think Dorian was blessed with a connection to some great steroids and growth hormone why doesn't he bring that up lmfaaaooo 😂 🤣 I love weight training but this whole mr Olympia thing makes no sense to me as soon as they get off the juice these guys shrivel away to normal sized people what's the achievement? I just don't get it
@@Bushey4545 agree!
@@Bushey4545 They are all on the juice, so the playing field is level.It comes down to who trains the hardest(Arnold, Dorian, Ronnie)
thomas augo you don’t have to get it, that is why it is not for you.
Have you seen Dorian at 9 months training? He’s huge!
Another classic example that hard work often beats talent!
alphagamer047 Character beats talent!!!
In this case it wasn’t talent it was genetics
@@firefx99
Absolutely!
@@cooper482011 I see U king!!!!
Or having a BETTR cycling game than your opponents.
Flex had the best symmetry in the history of body building.
Kiran Bhabal Flex, oil, and implants😂
sultan of symmetry
Disagree, Phil does.
@@manuelmendoza6766 Phil lol. Phil looks like a balloon. Funny looking guy and short. Arnold had best symmetry cuz he was tall. You can not look good under 6 foot.
@@nixazizu what does zynetth has to do with height?
Wheeler’s lack of conditioning was really noticeable on the backside of his legs. He was at his zenith at the 93’ Arnold Classic. He did a lot of shows back then and it probably inhibited him from peaking at the Olympia. Dorian just trained brutally for one show.
Hearing those words from the whole interview of Dorian talkin about Flex's 70% courage which he sacrificed for this sports, makes totally sense. Flex himself talked about how much he didnt liked to go train and that he just done all of this for the money basically. Dorian's mentallity was on a whole another level when it comes to that sport, even until today!
Respect for this guy, he told the truth, Wheeler wasn’t as much hungry for the trophy
Flex was far more pleasing to the eye, and he never ripped muscles like Dorian did. Flex did have it all in my humble opinion. Shame that the judges didn't recognise his talent with a Sandow.
flex had kidney issues prevented him from unleashing his true potential
Dorian winning with those injuries may have prompted Flex to say what he did, he was alluding to the politics.
@ijcn0jir3nvjn3fjcifn Well going with your logic Nasser should have won. He was bigger.
@@tonymontana9799 yet he could still place second place think you're confusing him with Dillette
@@tonymontana9799 yet he could still place second place think you're confusing him with Dillette
I can't wait to see the full video of this interview. Ronnie Coleman would be another great bodybuilder to interview for his accomplishments, sacrifices as well as is supplement company.
I'm sayin right nw I ain't watching any more of your videos until u release the full sammy interview.. And its gonna be hard because you have brilliant stuff.. But I'm tired of waiting
@John Szeles the only thing I can think of is that Mr gravano has ask well told him he can't release it until a certain date.. Meaning there's some interesting things gonna be said.. If its not that then he needs pull his finger out and release it... Don't no what I'm more excited for hour long sammy interview or the new breaking bad 😂
Body Building was changeing at that time and Dorian brought a grainy hardness to the table that you only saw in Gaspari at the time but Dorian brought the size with it.
Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard. We see this in sports all the time and it’s quite sad.
You do some great interviews . This one was your best
This guy had some of the most intense workouts in secret with his training partner. The shadow one of the greatest ever. Definitely kept me motivated through my hard times in the gym. While brining that same energy to my business.
Had flex, shawn, nasser, levrone, dillet trained the way dorian did, Im not sure dorian would have a single sandow. The concept most people have difficulty grasping. Dorian was asked years ago what ronnie would look like if he trained with high intensity. His response was "I dont want to know."
@@luciano-km7mq so good! I really love this response friend.
@@luciano-km7mq True. But don't forget that Dorian also had many severe injuries because of his over the top heavy training. Just like Coleman. There is a thin line between training smart and training too heavy.
@@metalgamerk9549
Never stopped casey viator, mike mentzer, ray mentzer, Aaron baker, leroy davis, lee labrada, those who trained under Yates, the thousands who trained under mentzer, myself and the hudreds of thousands who had nothing to lose since they tried every other protocol that failed them on a LONG term basis. Ronnie never trained high intensity (heavy weight lifted very strictly. ex: lift with no momentum, hold for at least 2 seconds and lower for 3 to 5 seconds. Pause for a second then repeat). He just lifted very heavy. Btw, that back injury he endured was in 96. Shit happens. I strained my lower back picking up a 25 pound dumbell about a week after deadlifting 500Ibs with no problem. Freak accidents. The only mistake yates made was training too frequently. Even though the drugs compensated for it, he wouldve been much bigger had he cut down the volume even more. It tickles my funny bone to hear people who dont fully understand the concept (and principals) of hit try to explain why it's either a bad idea or doesnt work. The 1st principle is identity: The nature of the body and how it adapts/copes to stress. The principle of Frequency is also misunderstood - by even the pros. After a while, 3 days of rest wont be sufficient. A full week or longer may be necessary (even that changes). Until that person understands all 7 principles of hit, that individual has no room to speak on the subject. Funny how some people insist on arguing about something they know nothing about. It makes me laugh and gives me a headache at the same time. True competitors compete to win. We all heard the famous quote of herman edwards. The money will come. If you're there just for a check, then no one is gonna take you seriously.
Roderic Grant I remember one video that showed Chris Cormier training at Dorian’s Temple Gym in England. Cormier was known to train heavy and even he couldn’t handle Dorian’s workout. He went outside to the back alley and vomited.
Die hard Valuetainer !! You never forget to surprise us can't wait to see the Bull next !
Dorian yates is great please release the complete Interview 👍👍💪💪😎
Flex had some of the greatest lines and aesthetics ever to grace a bodybuilding stage. And because if his tiny veins, he literally looked like a carved statue. Just awe inspiring. But nothing he brought to the stage was freakish and dry like Yates or Coleman. That's why he was always second banana.
Humble hard worker, Champion Yates. Difficult training over time is peanuts for him, whilst the average guy wants to quit. In other words, it parallels Arnolds advice of hard work followed by showing the audience. Wouldn't have guessed his attitude without this matter of fact video.
Dorian had a huge physique and unbelievable conditioning. On top of that Dorian was a great poser who also had Great Abs! Dorian's aesthetic muscles, his Abs, Forearms and Calves absolutely destroyed Ronnie Coleman's... 1993 Dorian Yates had huge, brutal, beautiful aesthetic mass... after that Everything in Bodybuilding changed...
If Flex hadn't told all his secrets to Ronnie Coleman, Ronnie probably wouldn't have been an 8 time Olympian either. Supposedly Flex told Ronnie every drug he took and what exact dosage he was taking and in what order. Ronnie dominated after that.
I'd like know who coached flex
Was it flex who told ronnie all that? I think it was kevin who did, could be wrong tho.
@john hinsdale now look at them...Flex lost his leg & Ronnie can barely walk using 2 legs.
Do you reckon the drugs & dosages can make you win effortlessly
Flex told his "secrets" to Coleman in 94-95, Ronnie started dominating in 98...
Even a bigger mistake by Flex was getting Ronnie to work with Chad Nicholls, who did his diet and got him dry for shows...up until 98 or so Ronnie was in many ways the Roelly of the 90s, a big guy with some outstanding body parts and poses but never conditioned and thus a real threat to anyone
Dorian always speaking truth💯
I think the thing to remember is Dorian came out with insane mass and conditioning vs the typical symetry and that's what always pushed him further. Back then mass monsters were more a rare commodity
Dorian does what all champions do. He took a weakness and turned it into an advantage.
He's right when things come easy to you you never really push pass that point and break that wall. It comes down to mental above all.
Could you imagine how godlike Flex’s physique would’ve been if he really had that mental grit and that drive to be the greatest. If he really dedicated his everything to the sport like a lot of the Mr. Olympia’s and competitors have, then I think his physique would have been undebatably the greatest of all time. I personally already think that he had one of the greatest physiques ever, so if he really tried 100%, I don’t think that I would even doubt it.
Very insightfull stuff
I love these videos
I'm 47 years old and I train with blood and guts Dorian style. When I'm at the gym people just stare and I could tell by observing it inspires others to intensify their workout. It's the only way to train to make improvements so people get off your phones and put in the work or remain the same.
Flex has the best body of a man ever walked on earth... but dorian was the game... a monster... unbeatble
Having met Dorian and Flex Wheeler I personally, for what it is worth, say the reason Flex did not beat Dorian was after spending a whole afternoon with Dorian it became very clear Dorian was TOTALLY dedicated to his goals. Nothing was going to stand in his way. He is without a shadow of a doubt, if you will excuse the pun, very much his own man. When I met Dorian he had just won his first Olympia, and still had a long road ahead of him. Flex Wheeler in the seminar I am talking about stated BB was a means to an end, not an end in itself. To me he seemed more interested in talking about marshal arts than BB. In my 58 years in BB he is the only ' star ' who refused to even take his shirt off far less do a posing routine. He could not wait to get off stage and started selling t shirts and personnel photographs. Sorry if this upsets anyone but it was the worst seminar I have ever attended. Dorian's was one of the best.
Love the honesty.
Yates Back. Lats and Calves was just something else and that what makes him special
Patrick you have some of the best interviews but give the people want they want drop the sammy the bull video!!
The king of kings!!!!!
Thanks Dorian!!!!
If we’re all being Honest...
Flex had by far the more ideal Body. Judges were looking at mass more then that’s all.
They still do.
Look at him now. Look at his arms, what he did to himself? Lost leg due to Synthol abuse too! Dorian didnt use that crap
the ideal body for the average gym rat maybe-great arms , abs with ok back and legs
but if you go with the IFBB criteria he doesnt even come close to Yates
out of the then 7 mandatory poses he beats dorian in front double biceps,and for the sake of argument lets gibve him the abs& thigh pose as well.But Dorian beats him in the 2 back poses, the 2 side poses and the front lat spread
plus dorian was way more conditioned, ppl just think he beat flex cause he was bigger, but he was also also harder,drier and denser.Of coruse the average gym rat doesnt care for density or hardness like he cares for peaked biceps and aligned 6 pack abs..
Flex is a myth a legend.. the balance he had was much much better than Dorians
Dorian just won cuz he was a bit bigger then flex but prime Flex 1998-2001 was too bigger than Dorian he used to rival big Ron in size
Harimann Bakshi yeah he used to Robo call Ronnie in size but that’s like comparing Someone’s size at 22 y/o to someone’s size at 16. You cannot compare them like that you compare them with prime versus prime
@@harimannbakshi5447 lol 😃 Dorian was 257 in 93 and Flex was 218, thats almost whole 40 lbs, and you call it ''a bit'' bigger? 😃 and after that in 98 and 99 Flex got bigger in weight but he was still nowhere near to Dorian in size+conditioning. He was 240 ish with condition Dorian had offseason lol. And Ronnie also was not at his biggest yet, he was less than 260.
This just shows where people's minds are:
Sammy was a low life gangster, Dorian is a living legend, and all you want is Sammy...
There are about a hundred and more movies and series about the Mafia.
Of course people are more interested in a legendary Mafia underboss interview than some Bodybuilder.
What are you smoking.
Agree Sammy is a low life. Dorian and all the other body builders are roid user.
Dorian is a god
@@timothymark389 Far from it.
Sit down and shut your fucking mouth and fuck America you fat bastards
Bro please drop the gravano interview already
Dorian is just great
Some of the hyped up before bodybuilders:
Dorian Yates,
.
...and that does it for my list
I always loved Flex’s physique...
But Dorian was just a beast.
Flex was the right bodybuilder... in the wrong era.💪
Which era should he have been in?
Flex was the right bodybuilder on the wrong day/competition. He didn't show up to the '93 Olympia with same condition he displayed at the '93 ASC. The same could be said for the '98 Olympia & ASC..
HardrockGX
Perhaps... but I don’t think he was beating Yates on his best day.
Flex was my favorite bodybuilder of all time...
But he wasn’t going to win Olympia in the era of mass monsters.
And hats off to Yates... the Olympia was his goal and he took it.👍
He could he in any era. He just didn't work hard enough to win the Olympia. But hell, he won everything else!
David Pierce Any era except the Dorian, Ronnie and Jay Cutler eras. Those were the eras of the mass monsters.
Hard work beats genetics !!!
Dorian's back was always the difference and that is where Mr Olympia are one from!
Hardwork+dedication always beats only talent.
Andreas Munzer
The Ripped Reaper
Was ripped off on his whole career
Lacked size
But symmetry, and shredded like a road map
Pat give us what we are literally desperate to see
Everyone! we need to DISLIKE every video valuetainment posts until he gives us what we want! He's had the time to do the right thing. He's given us no choice.
😂😂😂😂😂
Sorry I don’t play tribal politics.
No bad politics
Very disappointed... Valutainment will keep calling the shots on their terms i guess cuz we can't send a message.... *Politics*, 😆 thats hilarious cuz this is all about me fulfilling my need to control ppl in some youtube comment section..... It gets me off and makes me feel whole, ya know? Anyways... See y'all in the gravanno video comment section sometime next year when it drops. ✌
The jump from 92 to 93 that he did physique wise Mass wise shredded wise those black and white photos that came out on Flex magazine a few months before the 93 Olympia everybody at that point new and figured out that they were going to be competing for second place.
It was a psychological coup that they wouldnt be able to recover from for years. I mean in those pictures alone he was stage ready at that point,months before the Olympia.
yeah it was all the way in 96 when he got challenged a bit by Nasser
but the other guys knew they couldnt take him
@@TheLusianPopa actually he gave Dorian pressure in 97 where he came in second. but what I am referring to is after he won the 92 it came back in 93 it was a completely different Dorian no one could touch him he was in such good shape that goes photos that came out in Flex were few months before the Olympia and right then in that exact condition he could have beat everybody on stage
I SPEAK FOR ALL WHEN I SAY WE WANT SAMMY GRAVANO
I like how bodybuilders of that era always talk great about each other...in my opinion flex is the best bodybuilder of all times
Incredible!
I’ve always said Dorian is the best Olympia winner ever. The 90s was the pinnacle of bodybuilding and Dorian dominated it. They all knew they were competing for second place. Dorian proved that hard work and being smart beats great genetics any time.
Massive respect for Dorian, but Flex beat him that year. I'm not a conspiracy theorist and don't think the contests are rigged, I just think the judges got it wrong.
Nelson Montana In 93? No way
Flex had the arms,Dorian the back,calves,conditioning to win
93 flex is perfect. Dorian with skinny arms lol. I think judges tilted Dorian for being white. How did Shawn Ray not beat him. Dorian started the bubble guy era
@@linq7584 Please, don't bring the race bullshit into it.
@@linq7584 They didn't tilt when Haney won and Dorian came second.
Flex had his moment to flex
SAMMY GRAVANO'S INTERVIEW WILL GET MORE THAN 10 MILLION VIEWS
No kidding man, the video is already close to 10M views.
I'll pick Flex physque ove dorian's any day any night despise dorian's muscle density and conditioning..it's just flows well...
second coming of Haney
I think you could poll 1,000 people on the street and ask them who theyd rather look like and probably 990 of them would chose Flex.
@@Flexb123 they sure would
You'll never achieve anything close to any of them
@@moredrugsmoreshrugs872 i know, but anyway...flex makawy,shawn,labrada,vic richards, de mayo,matarazzo,t.pastel, and CHARLES CLEIRMONT....the most underrated bb of all time
Dorian....true champ
Wiser man I've never heard!!
Even Coleman said that Flex had the greatest body building genes ever, but it worked against him in the end because he didn't work as hard.
Waiting for Sammy like
👶🏼🧒🏼🧑🏼👱🏼♂️👨🏼👨🏻🦳👴🏻💀⚰️⛪️
Dorian Yates hands down the greatest bodybuilder ever
This type of competitiveness doesn't exist in bodybuilding anymore and it shows in the quality of the physiques today.
I always heard back then Flex was known to lack dedication. He has so much natural talent and it got him far. But the best in the world have that mind set. Flex got caught up in the superstar status. Young, good looking, it would happen to a lot of people. Flex admits now he had a lack of confidence which probably play a big factor.
Iooked at every bodybuilder as obtainable until I saw Dorian Yates. His physique was the one in the magazine that made me feel like how is that possible.
An then came ronnie
Sammy was another bodybuilder from New York working as an underboss people are hype for.
Flex was definitely the better bodybuilder
Nice of dorian to say flex was more naturally gifted and maybe so. Its the same in alot of sports ask all the old pros and they always say give me the more determined and most dedicated person over the more gifted one because it comes easier to the most gifted maybe they don't have the hunger to try or want it as much.
Dorian Yates mentality looks like Michael Jordan's mentality like he wanted to win and he put forth the effort he was just a very competitive guy he pushed himself to the Limit in pursuit of victory
DORIAN HAD HUGE SHAPE
By the way did you already released the salvatore gravano Interview??
Humility
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
Pat said flex was the lebron james of bodybuilding. I was waiting for dorian to say "unfortunately for him I was the jordan of bodybuilding." That wouldve made my day😂
Michael Jordan never lost an NBA Finals championship. Dorian lost his first Mr. Olympia to Lee Haney in 1991.
@@cooper482011 jordan got swept in the playoffs,before he started winning he couldnt even make the finals.Same goes for Dorian,once he started winning,he never lost.Then again Dorian shouldnt even be in the conversation for the goat,that is between Ronnie and Dexter.
@@blackeesh463 dexter xd haney ron phil and dorian
@@blackeesh463
Dexter?? GOAT? He is without a doubt in the top ten as he is a truly phenomenonal bodybuilder....but he is not in the running for GOAT.
He won the Olympia, and he looked incredible in doing so, but many others have won the Olympia and are not even in consideration for the top ten greatest. Columbu, Dickerson, Bannister are good examples.
Jackson has turned up in shape time after time and is a true representation of longevity in the sport (and personally my favourite bodybuilder), but his package is too incomplete to be considered in the running for GOAT, I'm thinking of high lat insertions, no calves, a certain lack of width, these may be minor considerations but they still matter in the overall assessment.
That said, I can see why you might consider him given his continued showings right up until the age of 50, that is worthy of special recognition on its own.
It wouldve not looked gon his part because it wouldve been a lie Doran ushered in the mass monster era that's wht got him by
Flex may have never pushed it like Dorian but please don't think he didn't give real blood, sweat, and tears to his craft. He still trained harder than any keyboard warrior posting on this page and dieted for months to achieve probably the most balanced physique in bodybuilding history.
We want the legend Sammy The Bull
Dorian and Ronnie spoke the same, both of them outworked Flex. But Flex had it all genetically, but never the hunger.
We want Sammy
Dorian had such a combination of size and grainy granite hardness and for gods sakes that front and back lat spread and he just projected the image and look of the winner where Flex had a beautifully aesthetic shape and full muscle bellies but his muscles had a soft balloonishness to them he did not have that kind of grainy granite hardness that Dorian brought to the table and when he went against Dorian you could just read it on his face that he was not confident enough to be Mr. Olympia it just always escaped him.
Fool the muscles who pop very much look like they're soft but they're not, the muscles who look grainy don't pop.
@@harimannbakshi5447 Pop?
Tortue!!!!!! We all know what we want and we want it now lol
Mike Lyons WE WANT SAMMY
@@user-el9th6sj8f they're having a laugh now it's been time
Mike Lyons I wonder why it’s taking so long
would rather look like Flex at his best than Dorian, way more aesthetic
@raq 01 no im not kidding, I think flex looks better man
Patrick all we ask is for Sammy Gravano's interview
What could you possibly want from an interview with Sammy gravano that wasn't in his book. He's a criminal who got off easy and it still wasn't enough. Then he got himself sent back to prison and dragged his whole family down with him. Why do people find this guy fascinating?
field rnen WTF is your problem? You really have nothing better to do than type the same “Sammy” bullsh!t?
Flexing on Flex.. I look forward to a response 😤
Flex had better genetics by a long way, but Dorian out worked him, in fact same with Ray, Levrone too
Dorian also never faced Prime Flex. 98-2001 version. Flex's only problem was other than his rookie year he could never peak at the Mr O. He'd peak at the arnolds and look unbeatable(98-2000) but Mr O would come next and all of a sudden it wasn't the same Flex.
@@Flexb123 flex wheeler best shape is in that video that's being played of him in the beginning 1999 Grand Prix
@@Flexb123 Prime Flex was the 93 AC and the 98 AC/Ironamn .IN 93 Olympia Flex was not very far off his prime AC shape/condition and Yates destroyed him in everything.
Flex was actually not in his prime at all in 99-2001, by that point he couldnt nail hsi condition anymore and was synthoeld to the gills
either way a prime dorian will kill a prime flex any day -front lat spread, back double biceps, back lat spread, side triceps, side chest=all dorian
5 of the 7 mandatories so its not even close
I do agree Flex shorchanged himself by doint the arnolds every year, and he couldnt pea twice a year
@@TheLusianPopa Conditioning sure 93 but overall was '98 and '99 Arnolds where he was bigger and still had sharp condition. In fact it was 98 or 99 where Arnold said that was the best physique he had EVER seen on a stage.
@@Flexb123 well best conditioning is the best overall, you cant separate the 2
flex didnt even compete in 99 arnold
still sharp?in 99>?no he was not sharp enugh
the best phisique as in who you;d rather look like maybe but even that phisique would lose at least 4 of 7 compulsories to a prime yates
I guess Pat is going to release Sammy the Bull on Oct 19th on his b'day
Dorian ha envejecido bien
WE WANT SAMMY'S INTERVIEW
Dorian Yates of 1993 was unbeatable.
WE WANT THE BULL
What a physique flex had. I mean I admire dorian alot 6 times Mr olympia with a granite hard look.i know its all subjective of course but flex had that stunning easy on the eye physique kind of beautiful look.
Great Words,never expected a pleasant discussion like this on a enemy of him......100% maybe means =total body distruction.."70%" is all what flex could do because he underwent kidneys transplant...he absolutely grew fast,but his body didn't tollerate streroids maybe like Dorian's body did
My life has never been more peaceful than running at 110kg. Sad, but that's humanity.
Flex Wheeler will smash this modern bodybuilders
Release the Sammy Gravano interview next year lol
GRAVANO GRAVANO GRAVANO
Yes flex genticly perfect
im a massive Dorian fan, but i agree with others Flex had one of best bodies during that time (and now). He should have one an O
Dorian nails it!! he is absolutely right!! as Cristiano Ronaldo once said, it's 5% raw talent and 95% super hard and intelligent work....
Thats true dorrian u work harder
I saw 1996 and 1997 Flex Wheeler Leg training video. The Laziest Pro Bodybuilder Leg Training ive EVER seen he REALLY only gave 75 % Didnt even Load his own Plates on.