I've noticed a flaw with the vase test (I think). As the cross section between layers is thinner than the extrusion width, on ductile materials, the layers are most likely to show up as the weak spot, but on brittle materials, since they shatter, layer adhesion is almost always shown to be excellent. Its a great way to see how something will break, but not necesarily a good measure of layer adhesion in particular.
6:10 Looks familiar!! Very cool and I love the content you guys put out! There's irony in the fact that you've printed my stuff in a better material than I even have the ability to print in haha I'm trying to build a poor mans high temp printer, but I'd definitely prefer something legit. You've definitely got me contemplating getting the Funmat HT.
I tried to like this channel, but it reminds me too much of an infomercial. A lot of meaningless technical information that your average 3D maker doesn't care about, and then when you finally get to showing what you actually make with the stuff it's always the same stuff, a Yoda, a benchy and everything else is under NDA, I mean seriously who's going to spend this much money to print a vase? Putting a sample in a vice and bending it with your hand to break it is about the most unscientific way of testing something I've ever seen, it says nothing.
I fully disagree- They are a business first and foremost that specializes in selling engineering grade materials and equipment. So it is safe to assume your audience has some understanding of material science and what they are looking at when you spout off technical specs. These materials are not your average PLA, PETG or Abs filaments often time costing hundreds of dollars per kilo. The choice of them printing things that are common is to allow for a quick understand of what the materials will print like. A Benchy is a standard print because it has a little of everything in terms of features. Some of these materials are a true bear to print (looking at you PEEK) where others are easy and fun loving (PEKK). Benchy from these two prints would be drastically different and thus a quick glimpse into what the results is great. It is great that they use their entry level HT printer to print them aswell. This shows you the minimum quality you can get with these materials with a single extruder cost effective printer. Lastly, the vase and the sample in the vice being "unscientific" is missing the point. The demonstration is to show if the material is Amorphous or semi crystaline and how the layers fail. If you want scientific you go back to the specs they called out earlier in the video.
@@usrenmae you are correct these are not your average filaments, which is more the reason I would like to see what types of objects can actually be made with these filaments. And what are those object properties.? I understand it's a business, but it still has an infomercial feel to it. I also get it, there is a lot of highly technical information that seems like they're reading right off the spec sheets. What I need to know is how that translates into real world applications and not just a generic we use it in "this and that" industry. I like to see some more outside the box thinking. For instance would a carabiner made with this material support a human weight on the end of a rope just as an example of a real-world application. Don't just snap a sample on a vice but do some scientifically destructive testing and shows the results.
@@JazAero You talk about this feeling very infomercial and then you want them to do a Billy mays/ Flextape style demonstration. You are asking questions that is beyond the scope of a 13minute general information video. The point of this video is to give you general idea of the materials. If you see what you like you need to read the white papers. They can not make claims about the materials outside of general statements because the multitude of factors that go into 3d printing. Destructive testing is done on a case by case bases with higher end printing requires test parts to be printed at the same time. These parts are for destructive testing to verify the layer adhesion and crystal structure. They could never say definitively "look it will support an adults weight" because they can not verify the design, the material handling, print, and post processing. They are not in the business of designing parts. They offer printing as a service and parts/supplies for inhouse printing.
@@usrenmae that's a poor analogy, Billy Mays died years ago, that's not what I'm asking. But you seem to have picked up on that one sentence out of an entire paragraph To base your response on. I'm asking for objective real-world examples of objects created with this material and you seem to be taking an almost adversarial approach to your responses. I get you like these guys, I like these guys, that's not the issue here. There is no need to be an advocate for them. I am just expressing my desire and my opinion.
@@JazAero I think I addressed your argument fully in my response. Remove the Billy May comment and my argument goes into why they keep the examples as general as possible. They established some fields that use this material and some treatments of it. Outside of this there are too many factors that they can not shoe horn into a 13 minute video. You are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine. We have a fundamental difference in thought. You feel that they are trying to sell you something without telling you what it is and what it does. I feel they give you the highlights and expect outside and deeper research.
I love this series. I am a software engineer by trade, but still love to nerd out about this stuff. Thanks for making this kind of content
I've noticed a flaw with the vase test (I think). As the cross section between layers is thinner than the extrusion width, on ductile materials, the layers are most likely to show up as the weak spot, but on brittle materials, since they shatter, layer adhesion is almost always shown to be excellent. Its a great way to see how something will break, but not necesarily a good measure of layer adhesion in particular.
would love to see some tests on tritan filament and some applications it would be well used.
Do you guys have any other filaments that are high heat? Up around 200 degrees celcius?
6:10 Looks familiar!! Very cool and I love the content you guys put out! There's irony in the fact that you've printed my stuff in a better material than I even have the ability to print in haha I'm trying to build a poor mans high temp printer, but I'd definitely prefer something legit. You've definitely got me contemplating getting the Funmat HT.
What filament withstands the highest temperature??
Probably peek
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I tried to like this channel, but it reminds me too much of an infomercial. A lot of meaningless technical information that your average 3D maker doesn't care about, and then when you finally get to showing what you actually make with the stuff it's always the same stuff, a Yoda, a benchy and everything else is under NDA, I mean seriously who's going to spend this much money to print a vase? Putting a sample in a vice and bending it with your hand to break it is about the most unscientific way of testing something I've ever seen, it says nothing.
I fully disagree- They are a business first and foremost that specializes in selling engineering grade materials and equipment. So it is safe to assume your audience has some understanding of material science and what they are looking at when you spout off technical specs. These materials are not your average PLA, PETG or Abs filaments often time costing hundreds of dollars per kilo. The choice of them printing things that are common is to allow for a quick understand of what the materials will print like. A Benchy is a standard print because it has a little of everything in terms of features. Some of these materials are a true bear to print (looking at you PEEK) where others are easy and fun loving (PEKK). Benchy from these two prints would be drastically different and thus a quick glimpse into what the results is great. It is great that they use their entry level HT printer to print them aswell. This shows you the minimum quality you can get with these materials with a single extruder cost effective printer. Lastly, the vase and the sample in the vice being "unscientific" is missing the point. The demonstration is to show if the material is Amorphous or semi crystaline and how the layers fail. If you want scientific you go back to the specs they called out earlier in the video.
@@usrenmae you are correct these are not your average filaments, which is more the reason I would like to see what types of objects can actually be made with these filaments. And what are those object properties.? I understand it's a business, but it still has an infomercial feel to it. I also get it, there is a lot of highly technical information that seems like they're reading right off the spec sheets. What I need to know is how that translates into real world applications and not just a generic we use it in "this and that" industry. I like to see some more outside the box thinking. For instance would a carabiner made with this material support a human weight on the end of a rope just as an example of a real-world application. Don't just snap a sample on a vice but do some scientifically destructive testing and shows the results.
@@JazAero You talk about this feeling very infomercial and then you want them to do a Billy mays/ Flextape style demonstration. You are asking questions that is beyond the scope of a 13minute general information video. The point of this video is to give you general idea of the materials. If you see what you like you need to read the white papers. They can not make claims about the materials outside of general statements because the multitude of factors that go into 3d printing. Destructive testing is done on a case by case bases with higher end printing requires test parts to be printed at the same time. These parts are for destructive testing to verify the layer adhesion and crystal structure. They could never say definitively "look it will support an adults weight" because they can not verify the design, the material handling, print, and post processing. They are not in the business of designing parts. They offer printing as a service and parts/supplies for inhouse printing.
@@usrenmae that's a poor analogy, Billy Mays died years ago, that's not what I'm asking. But you seem to have picked up on that one sentence out of an entire paragraph To base your response on. I'm asking for objective real-world examples of objects created with this material and you seem to be taking an almost adversarial approach to your responses. I get you like these guys, I like these guys, that's not the issue here. There is no need to be an advocate for them. I am just expressing my desire and my opinion.
@@JazAero I think I addressed your argument fully in my response. Remove the Billy May comment and my argument goes into why they keep the examples as general as possible. They established some fields that use this material and some treatments of it. Outside of this there are too many factors that they can not shoe horn into a 13 minute video. You are entitled to your opinion and I am to mine. We have a fundamental difference in thought. You feel that they are trying to sell you something without telling you what it is and what it does. I feel they give you the highlights and expect outside and deeper research.