SHOIGU, Russia's Defense Minister "SACKED"!? WHY? Implications!?
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Vladimir Putin has made a significant reshuffle in the Russian government by appointing Andrey Belousov, a career economist and former economic aide, as the new Defense Minister, replacing the long-serving Sergei Shoigu. This change comes shortly after Putin was inaugurated for a fifth term. Belousov's appointment signals a shift towards strengthening Russia's war economy amidst the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. Shoigu, who faced criticism and was linked to a corruption scandal involving former deputy defense minister Timur Ivanov, a key Shoigu aide, has been demoted to head the Security Council, a position seen as less influential. This reshuffle, the largest since 2020, emphasizes Putin's focus on exerting more control over military operations and the military-industrial complex as pivotal to Russia's economy.
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Shoigu is given a less stressful position given his request for retirement (68 years old).
New minister is not young too. (1959 )
He's been Promoted to the security council FGS! This guy is FOS, why listen to him?
Apparently the minister of defense in Russia is almost exclusively concerned with procurement and production of war material. A old school quartermaster if you will. And those of you who know your history know quartermasters were the first Staff Generals in history. This is why Shoigu was constantly seen touring factories. So that's why the new guy makes sense. He's one of their bigwig economists. Economists btw have probably done more than anyone but the infantry solider to win this war for Russia.
People forget that in the industrial era, which I still consider us to be in when it comes to war, it is industry and economy that makes winning wars possible.
He's basically shuffled off to a less-demanding position before retirement.
Spot on. Shoigu wanted retirement some time ago.
That's my thought, too
They need his ass.
Not promoted then you Sheep! How many defence ministers has the UK been through? Find your own news, you're echo chambers at best, useful Idiots more like it! Get your Sons ready for War, seeing as you're So keen???
With the war going splendidly no need to remain head of MoD, especially with asking for retirement, plus prigozhin affair
He wanted to retire for a long time now. Same as Lavrov. The fact that he is transferred to some other post is just a compromise, they just let him have a less demanding post, to have his experience and skill available when necessary. Don't forget that he was placed in charge of the ministry in 2012 for the single purpose of fighting corruption and restructuring the whole army and the entire defense industry. In this he has been very successful (as evidenced by the events of the last two years). It was very tiring for him though and he wanted to retire for quite some time now.
Yup, exactly that.
Further to my comment above, the SCRF (Security Council of the Russian Federation) is now responsible for the FSMTC (Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation). In this aspect, he is relieved from his duties with the SMO and let to concentrate on what he did successfully for the past 12 years, develop the Military Industry further.
@@cpy74mm Excellent point.
@@cpy74mmI think this is what Belousev has been brought in to do.
After listening your explanation, it s definitely not a sacks, he looks like number 3 most powerful person in Russia
Yeah, its not a sack. But so many people just read the title and started typing the comment without watching. =="
Not sacked, he wanted to retire before the SMO, but Mr. P asked him to stay on
Exactly 💯 % correct
Good point, I had forgotten that.
Makes sense I guess, dudes been at the position for like 10+ years. If I had to guess he will be aiding the new guy transitioning into the role and fully retire in a year or so.
Or as western media will put it " SHOIGU SACKED, PUT ON HOUSE ARREST " .
Shoigu has a much more intimate knowledge of the Russian military position than Patrushev who he is replacing as Secretary of Security Council. Shoigu is freely available to leave the country and talk face to face with any nations leaders or ministers that Putin wants special messages delivered to. With the pace of the Russian summer offensive about to kick into high gear, Putin no doubt wants the best people where they can do the most good. I don't see this as a demotion but more of a strategic personal move.
Also Exactly 💯 % correct.
Of those with whom I communicated, both civilian and military, no one liked Shoigu. However, he is Putin's loyal man, so he still remains in a position close to him. The choice of the current defense minister is unexpected, but after Nabiullina’s success, Putin began to trust technocrats and economists more. If the rumors about Belousov's effectiveness are true, this is very good news for the Russian side.
Shoigu is Tuvan.
He is hero for Tuvan,
And highest volunteer for Russian Army per population to volunteer are Tuvan.
@@OSTemli A strange attempt to make this about nationality.
@@OSTemliTuva is a depressive region with nothing to do. Soviets moved Tuva nomads to cities and gave them jobs. Then the union collapsed, factories disappeared. Now these guys are stuck in the cities they don’t really like that much without any job opportunities. Alcoholism is rampant there, vi0lent crime too. These guys don’t hold back at all. And always carry a knife. “A cultural thing” they say. It’s no surprise they jumped at the first opportunity to make money.
Denys Davydov quickly react and said this is the BIG LOSS for Russia. He want to read Putin's mind, but have no idea who is Andrey Belousov, Shougu's successor.
@@terrormask2475 So basically Detroit gotcha
It is easy, the military side of that defense office is being taken care of by military advisers. Now that the defense budget is 6% of the Russian state budget it is good to have an economist as defense minister. Second, it is time to take on corruption.
Wasn't it 4%
In every big corporation, there is a thing called rotation. Managers have to change the department after a few years. Why the same thing can't be on the state management level...
It's said it prevents fatigue and burnout.
Then the corruption scandal was very close to him, so breaking any potential connection has sense. (do I have to say the corruption in army purchases exists in every army in the world?)
Always better safe than sorry.
Whether his new position is higher or lower is really not important.
Ukrainians should be asking where are their defenses on the way to Kharkov. It looks Zelensky is laughing all the way to the bank and defenses are nowhere to be seen.
Secretary of Security Council is higher ranking than Defense Minister.
it does mean about nothing there.
Ranks mean relatively little in Russia.
@@jeffgleisner890 rank means a lot in USA, that's why they still retained Gen Lloyd Austin as defense secretary after he left USD 85 billion dollars military weapons to Taliban and run away from Afghanistan 😂
Prigozhin finally got what he wanted, somehow.
The Security Counsil is not a demotion. Former presedent and prime minister Medvedev is on the Security Counsil. It is responsible for long-term large scale strategic decisions, while the government ministers administrate day-to-day business.
SHOIGU, got promoted not sacked
"Shoigu!? Gerasimov!?
Where the fuck is my ammo!?"
- At the same time Ukranian commanders in Bakhmut were complaining being outgunned by Russians 5 to 1.
- Wagner weapons warehouses were shown later, they had plenty of shells.
Its still unclear what happened there then. It could have been just Prigozhins PR things or they could have had some situational lack of shell.
I remember that phrase kikikikik 🤣Wagner boss tht was the turning point of the war....
>"Shoigu!? Gerasimov!?
Where the fuck is my ammo!?"<
Prigozhin acted out that drama, what was it, 2 days after a western propaganda piece about Russia running out of ammo and everyone rebelling against Moscow and whatever.
Also, at the same time, Wagner was getting HALF the entire Russian deliveries of ammunition.
Also, outside in the real world, total Russian losses in Bakhmut was around 8 thousand KIA.
While Ukraine lost at least 73 thousand KIAs.
@@m0nlo "Its still unclear what happened there then. It could have been just Prigozhins PR things or they could have had some situational lack of shell."
How can you call it unclear?
Prigozhin was literally taking his cues for his rants from the western propaganda. Every time there was a new article about something being wrong with Russia or Russian military or in Bakhmut from their side, Prigozhin made a big production video about it.
Even when the subject had already been completely debunked as false propaganda from the west.
And then, just as the US military "found"("accounting error", lol) another billion to send to Ukraine, Prigozhin does his "rebellion" after some unspecified contacts with USA, despite having FSB people next to him every hour of the day.
And for a day, EVERYWHERE in the western massmedia, Wagner are HEROIC HEROES STANDING UP TO THE EVIL DICTATOR PUTIN!
*lol*
And the next day, Russian security forces catches TWO CIA networks, one in Belarus and one in Russia. Because they gave themselves away when they tried to ride high on the "rebellion" and start acting to commit a coup in both Russia and Belarus.
And then Prigozhin, who WAS NEVER THE LEADER OF WAGNER in any way shape or form. He was the figurehead, the contract negotiator.
Then he promptly ended his little skit.
And suddenly he was the devil incarnate and Wagner was once more the scum of the Earth in western propaganda.
Already while he was doing his rants i found them very perplexing, because several times, he brought up subjects that we literally KNEW were fake. But with the "rebellion" and especially the CIA networks getting arrested, it quickly became clear that this was a sting operation.
Wagner never rebelled.
Prigozhin was probably never even the slightest actually at odds with Kremlin.
And most likely, his death was accidental. As the last video he did, in front of his airplane, you could hear small arms ammo popping off, which can happen if they've been poorly stored on an aircraft, and can cause much nastier events to happen.
2nd most likely by far is that the west killed him for breaking whatever deal he pretended to make with USA and then reneged on, or maybe even just to get someone the west could point fingers at and scream about evil Putin killing people again, which he quite frankly doesn't do.
@@DIREWOLFx75
Eight thousand is a very low estimate. More like forty thousand. It was indeed worse for the AFU, but Wagner were not using subtlety pushing through Bahkmut.
I have heard that Shoigu had been wanting to retire from the defence ministry for a long time and Putin has asked him to stay on. The surprise is that he accepted another ministry position.
DPA thanks for your timely updates
Shoigu got promoted. His new position is more powerful and means he will be working more closely with Putin.
It's interesting that the new Kharkov area offensive started the day after the anniversary of VE Day.
Shoigu was not sacked or asked to leave as Defence Minister. As Secretary General of the Security Council his job scopes will be more as it encompasses Internal and External security of Russia. The military falls under security too.
He moved to the highest positions. He is in charge of the National Security Council of the Russia federation. This means he controls the most important work rather than that of the ministry of defence forces.
He was promoted and is close to his retirement.
It's more of a promotion than a layoff. The Security Council is de facto the highest authority in Russia, Putin's inner circle, but the amount of daily work and personal responsibility there is less than in the hellishly demanding position of Defense Minister. Shoigu personally deserves a rest, and it is a politically smart move, because for many years in the large system of the Ministry of Defense, he may have acquired personal connections that prevent him from treating some parts of the work with the greatest efficiency. It is Putin's style to change the leadership of the most complex state monopolies and industries every few years, often after the replacement of the leadership they became more efficient, such as Russian Railways. The new guy, considered almost an economic genius, was a scientist before his civil service, who has already reformed several state systems for the better, and his appointment simply shows that Russia is moving to long-term military-economic rails, since the new defense minister is now required to have such qualities as forming an economic strategy, the ability to coordinate and reform the work of the state with hundreds, if not thousands of enterprises in the military industry. Military operations are still managed by the General Staff, so from the point of view of the DPA and the picture on the battlefield, the changes in the leadership of the Defense Ministry will not make any changes. Only in a few years it will be possible to judge the results of Belousov's activity, according to the change in the quantity-quality of national development and production of armaments.
After the re-inauguration of a president, it is normal for ministers to get their long planned career promotions.
While putting a economics guy into the defense position sounds boring, it's exactly the kind of thing that wins wars. "Amateurs study strategy, professionals study logistics." ----Omar Bradley
I Like Patton more than Bradley
Having an economist as a defense minister makes a lot of sense.
Because the ministry itself is about training, production and logistics first.
It's wellknown that Shoigu wanted to retire after the PREVIOUS presidential election, but Putin convinced him to stay on another term.
Giving him a less straining position lets Putin keep him around, as he's been VERY valuable and effective, while letting him take a breather in a position with far less stress.
And it would have been more surprising if there had been NO changes at all.
Lavrov not retiring IS even more surprising. He's been wanting to retire even longer than Shoigu. But he's stayed on for patriotism.
He wasn't sacked. He has been promoted.
Lavrov is a member of the same group that Shoigu has been assigned so it is definitely not a demotion. Andrey Belousov is likely placed in the role of Defence Minister due to budgets being significantly larger in coming years and the challenge of managing a growing Industry and widening scope of Russias Defence Department funded activities. Russian Defence Industries are scaling up and its management & leadership focus is changing with it...
Absolutely not sacked
Your analysis is spot on DPA!
Replace the Defence Minister with the Attack Minister 😊😊😊
Field commanders: "we got 20 different actually good drones developed on the battlefield, but all electronics is imported and not domestically produced. Also, we have no money to bribe the right people to put these in production"
Belousov: "No need to bribe anyone. We take the money for drones from Gazprom. Say no more, fam."
It's called a promotion or a reshuffle.
Sacked? Made chair of National Secuity Council .... Reading too much Western press
So you commented without watching
Ye dont you know the title is only click bait 😂😂
@@DefensePoliticsAsia
That’s what you get from click-bait titles. 🤷♂️
The ghost of Prigozhin smiles upon us this day.
Every time the president is elivated he has no staff.... I am not sure if Shoigu could refuse a position when he was the main commander during a huge military operation.
The man arrested for bribery was one of 12 deputy defense ministers and not Shoigus immediate subordinate.
he is not sacked...he got promoted to a higher position i heared ...he is an economist .. so he likely will be the highest logistic function there is ..
Shoigu was not "sacked" he has been rewarded and promoted to be in charge of Russia's entire state owned Military Industrial Complex as new head of Russia's defense council!
Good show Wyatt!!!👏👏👏👏👏
The real question I have is, what is happening to the previous Security Council Secretary, Patrushev? Is he retiring or being sacked?
According to analysts that have a deeper understanding of Russia’s political apparatus, Shoigu is not the Secretary of Russia’s Security Council.
In effect, Shoigu was promoted, and will be in charge of running Russia’s military industry (something he had already started to take over while he was still defense minister.
This is just another example of the Western press being both lazy and incompetent.
Shoigu is technically promoted, not sacked.
he goes from second most powerful position to some bureaucratic position without any power and without any money to steal, so no its definitely not promotion
Shoigu wanted to retire.
Cold calculated mindset to see everyone as just a number is scary now. 👨🚀
If I was SHOIGU I would avoid flying for a while, and travel by train. Just to be on the safe side.....
We are here as a developing and undeveloped country, must take note of how Putin developed a strong geopolitical movement for Russia, revived the arm industry, and found ties with other countries. This is also eye opening knowing Russia's past and still progressing strength on the international stage as a superpower.
Shoigu was not sacked. The cabinet is disbanded after elections and it is up to the president to appoint the same or new ministers to it. Shoigu was simply not given the position back, mainly for personal reasons("Let me retire man! I cannot deal with another Prigozhin at my age!")
Every new presidential term, usually there will be a cabinet re-shuffle, this is always done in RF ....if there is some mishap or mis-management that need to be replaced us also usually done by RF unlike most of "the garden" officials, they surely will be "promoted"....😊....but let see & wait coz it's RF internal business.....😊
Shoigu new post is like a Chief of Staff (CoS) that we ve in the West... It's a higher post than he had as the Minister of Defence
Its a promotion, he will be doing less work and get pay more.
Remember at the beginning of the SMO when a lot of military leaders were sacked because they didn’t think NATO was involved in Ukraine and therefore did not want to get involved in Ukraine. Well this is the same thing. Putin is looking at that massive flank that wasn’t being exploited for a year now. Sacks the guy in charge and suddenly that flank is active again.
I don't believe the Kharkov front made sense before now. It was necessary to let Ukr dig in and get comfortable on the other three front then once they become static over a year you rush in and it severely disturbs all of their plans and vain machinations
I would say his major failure was the low efficiency of the Russian professional force modeled along the US Army, which was structurally destroyed in 2022.
The transformation into a conscript-like mass army of different forces like the professional and conscript Army, Wagner mercenaries and various militias might have been attributed by Putin to Gerassimov and other background bureaucrats.
Everyone fell for the "war has changed" line. In reality at certain geographies war will always be the same. For expeditionary and colonial wars sure they change fast tech beats caveman after all.
I feel is not a promotion...... 🇿🇲
There’s only one reasonable explanation: Putin “promoted” him because the war against Ukraine isn’t going well. This happens in the military all the time. They “promote” the guy into an administrative position because he’s not doing well in a combat command role. You don’t fire a general in the middle of a battle if he’s winning and soldiers have confidence in him. We’ll have to see if his successor can do a better job.
Душа радуется.
Putin don't hitting the shit nor Medvedev. Slava DPani
Shoigu had wanted to retire for a while now, even before the war. He only stayed because President Putin asked. Now that he has done what was required of him, he is being granted his wish. Nothing shocking about it.
Lets see how influence he is in the next chapter. Normally when big guys shifted in position, we will know what that means in around 1-2 months within the organization. Take a sit back and see.
More interesting is the promotion of Belousev, an economic manager, to head the MoD. Surely the intention is to ensure that industry and military are working together more effectively. Shoigu has been moved sideways in what in power terms is a demotion. Putin is intensely loyal to people whom he thinks have done their best and served him loyally. Shoigu falls into this category.
One needs rest after such stressful job.
Imagine a high ranking person in the US going to jail
I think he was actually promoted
Definitely the "level" of responsible went up another tier - but probably less stressful.
Like in Las Vegas or Tucson Arizona,
the showdown in the Secrurity Council,
requires a serious Physical Image,
He wasn't sacked... they rotate the people in charge of the war in case of fatigue plus the dude's old and asked for retirement.
Wow. Shoigu got a big promotion.
If you understand the Election system in Russia you'll know exactly what's going on. When a new election happens ALL major positions in government enter their resignation as part of the process.
Shoigu wanted to retire... the position he's been given is a retirement position, less hard work and more than a ceremonial position.
On the day of Putin's inauguration it was explained as part of the ceremony the way the election system works.
Another that wanted to resign and retire was Lavrov. However he is staying on as he was asked to stay by Putin as he is extremely good at Foreign Diplomacy.
So nothing to see here... it's all good.
Interesting Wyatt. J.
I'm more interested in what happens to Patrushev.
Sacked is an exaggeration, the dude was to retire before even smo
Rest In Peace Mr. Prizhozyne and Mr. Dimitri Utkin (The original Wagner).
Shooiguuu! wher t fk is the ammunition
Natural progression
Crocus may be a reason for beefing up Security Council with Shoigu.
Shoigu asked to retire
One of Russia's main problems is that Putin doesn't trust many competent people, they are a threat to him. So he puts incompetent friends or friends that are promoted above their skills into positions of power. Except for Medvedev, that guy is seriously skilled in administration and organization. This move really doesn't change much, other than maybe the battlefield commanders will get more regional control, less micromanagement from above. Which would be a good thing, imo.
Garassimov and Shitgu fubar'd Russia's prosecution of the war in Ukraine for over 2 years. The "reassignment" of Shitgu is a position that is a position without any responsibility or ability to damage the country anymore. It's like a promotion to a job that is meaningless if you can't just fire his arse. "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
The defense of Shitgu being a man with ZERO military experience (he was a real estate magnate) was that he would keep costs down, which proved to not be the case, ballooning the defense spending of Russia to 6.6% of their GDP... Or put less ambiguously: too much corruption and money missing...
Il n'y a pas besoin d'être medecin pour voir que Choigu était tres fatigué et certainement malade.Il a tout simplement été remplacé, peut-être à sa demande.
Shoigu never struck me as someone particularly exceptional, but who knows.
That was surprising
To me, replacing the the Defense minister with an economist, indicate that the Russian commanders below Shoigu have massed enough experience (and trust) for the Russian MoD to let operate a bit more independently.
It also strongly suggest to me that the Ruskies aren't planning any big operation requiring the top to be experienced military personnel.
Ofc, one can always speculate maskirovka, but when done one the top level, there's lots of serious risks taking a strategy of deception to a conspiratorial degree.
I think Prighozin is the cautionary tale that suggests that Putin isn't in a position, or at least not super-certain that shuffling for the sake of maskirovka, without seriously risking his own position.
But Shoigu has been ethnically cleansed from his position, so maybe he'll be genocided like Prighozin, while economists colonize the military.
Idk, but TASS reprted 4 years ago Shoigu wanted to be shuffled by Putin, but alas Putin kept him in place. He is not an Siloviki when he was appointed by Putin to lead his army, many high ranking officers questioned his ability due to his nonmilitary background as Minister of Emergency Situation or EMERCOM.
He was not sacked or demoted!!! It was a promotion!!! Don`t talk nonsense please. You surprised me with this because you were always man of common sense.
I thought I said I voted Promotion?
@@DefensePoliticsAsia I apologize. I made a mistake of just reading the title and even doing that wrong. You didn`t disappoint me after all. I only commented because I think that you are very reasonable person and I like you very much.
So if shoigu takes a swandive out of a the window in a few weeks we can assume it is a coincidence?
Shoigu wanted to retire for a while.
He did not get sacked he was moved up to another spot
This joke reference with Troy as Achilles screaming under walls like Prigozhin - "Shouigu!!!!".... It was so good..... This planet is comedy in the making.
Finally prighozin got what he wants. Lol joke aside maybe this is just a change in cabinet for the new administration
Coud this be the next president ? Or atleast in the shuffle
Secretary of the Security Council is a politically irrelevant position but if anyone is on it that means Putin trusts them.
What you didnt mention that another change is that Federal Service of Foreign Military Procurement is being untied from MoD and now answers directly to the President. Shoigu is going to be curating that service and the whole military industrial complex aswell.
Let me guess, Mr Sergei Shoigu will become a new Foreign Minister (no more soft approach & BS) replacing aging and supposedly retired Mr Lavrov, as a security council members it just a front or temporarily post before any official statement/postings.....but maybe I am wrong...😊....only Privet, NiHao & Salam from Malaysia
This was not a sack. Shoigu is an old and loyal guard and did his job. If u want to integrate the enormous military expenses properly in the russian economy, Shoigu is just too old for that
Guys, my view is different, Russia now needs an economist to revamp the Russian military complex and reap maximum benefits of the military industry.......and Shoigu is now off politics and can better contribute on technical side. It is a strategic move.
Prigojine... rather opposition relatively to Sudan... The Emirati and Prigojine supporting Dagalo ( Prigojine taking huge quantities of gold) , while Egypt and Saudi-Arabia did support Al Burhan. The trouble with Prigojne and the war in Sudan started in 24 hours after the arrest of Prigojines' man , carrying the gold to the plane..., It was illegal export... "authorised " since long as Dagalo and Al Burhan were complices... But the tensions between Al Burhan and Dagalo became serious, concerning the position of the RSF relatively to the Army... Prigojine thought he could give orders on matters of international strategy to Putine, and as Putine did not respect his buty even,..
No idea, but I guess with all the money being spent, Putin wants to make sure no one is stealing out of the cookie jar, so he put someone who is very good at counting in charge.
Shoigu's been replaced many times. Seems that he is reliable but lacks the initiative(?)
You're right there. Shoigu was replaced as the corporate/oligarch interests boiled over, just like the Prigozhin time. War is a racket 😂 Everyone wants to make money and being denied coz of favouritism cooked their brains, hence the outrage. The President needs all hands on deck, so a small accommodation has been made. This comes after a General incharge of logistics was fired, dy defence was jailed etc .and also some murmur from the front about logistics. Strange, given how their system is "everything in advamce" 😂 Could it explain the longer duration of regroup of froces at key fronts? Dunno. But, as Saul would say, "Its all good, man!"