Thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts and experiences with this topic. I tend to stay in my little bubble here on my CHANNEL, because I'm tired of constantly having to fight against years of indoctrinated misinformation of natural hair care. I have a wealth of knowledge and experience with natural hair and it has been my life passion and joy ever since I first saw the beauty of my own hair and what it was capable of. Sometimes, I believe that tends to get overshadowed by my personality, vulgarity, and fun shade but I'm happy and willing to share to those that are willing to receive it. Please share this video so we all can have a proper discussion where we all are able to accurately delineate and make informed decisions when it comes to what you decide to do with your hair. I see that I have quite a number of new subscribers from this video. For those of you that liked this video enough to subscribe, I offer you a disclaimer to understand that I am not your typical UA-cam content creator and I'm not like any other natural hair stylist. I speak my mind and speak my words with conviction and freedom of expression. If you don't like cursing and derogatory language, if you don't like long videos, or if you unwilling to question and relinquish what you *think* you know about natural hair care, I may not be the channel for you. For everyone else, on behalf of our tribesmen, I you welcome to our AFRO TRIBE!
I’ve been watching you for years and have seen the development and evolution of your channel. Thank you for your authenticity and honesty on this platform, it’s much appreciated and needed. One day I hope to get a chance to get an appointment with you when I’m in ATL. Keep doing what you’re doing!
Hi, I'm glad you addressed this. I am a licensed cosmetologist and I am natural. I use oil and butters on myself and my clients. I watched a couple of those stylist and there is a lot of misinformation. One stylist said you only have sebaceous glands on your scalp and I was like🤔. Your body has sebaceous glands everywhere,there are More on the scalp than anywhere on the body. The detox states use no products with oil or butter in the first 5 ingredients. Everyone's hair is different. I did receive some knowledge from watching the trend. Thank you❤
This! Every yr there's a new natural hair trend that is just a money grab for those starting the trend. When people realize the amount of breakage they have from doing this, they will abandon it like so many other forgotten trend lol.
lol! My trichologists made me stop. Lol! They said those things are damaging your scalp and your hair. Haven't even oiled my scalp since February 2019. horrors and I use sulfate shampoo! lol!
You are right I have my routine and sticking on it😔😔 tired of those new trends which pop every time We don’t have the same natural hair if something works for someone I’m not sure that it will work for me
So basically it’s the incorrect use of grease and oils and a lack of knowledge on how to properly cleanse the hair. You’re a True hair care professional.
As a ex stylist myself I say this to EVERYONE nothing is necessarily BAD when it comes to hair care you gotta use shyt CORRECTLY !!! and know what YOUR INDIVIDUAL needs are. Period lol
@AfrikanHairGod I so love you. You have an amazing personality, and your hair care knowledge is evident. I'm from Canada, but as soon as I can afford to travel to Georgia, I am booking a consult/appointment with you. I can't wait! 😄
I remember one of those stylist was throwing shade on Narada's work on a IG comment, implying he's a braid specialist not a curl specialist and therefore this is why he's doing coils on looser curls instead of defining the individual curls. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ 🤦🏾♀️ They are in denial, even if they see his work they will something negative to say.
I’m down for whatever works on my hair. Personally, oils and butters are not necessary for my hair but I don’t think it’s necessary to start and no oil and no butter movement because I’m sure oil and butters do wonders on another person’s head. The best Hair care is based on an individuals hair characteristics and needs.
I think rather than a movement but a challenge and an experiment would be nice. Because like you said oil and butters may work for some ppl and the same can be said for those who simply thrive without using it at all. I think experimenting really help ppl to learn more about their hair.
Yes. U r right. I have to ignore this trend, It's confusing. Generally, all the hair & skin products I use, especially black hair care moisturizers and lotions have oils embedded in them. So generally it's well known that oils help the hair & skin. That doesn't mean people walk out of the house on a daily basis w hair or skin slathered w oil. How can a hot oil treatment made with quality oils EVER be bad for the hair? Anyone ever heard of it causing damage?
@Altered Curls they tell ppl at home to stop buying BS products that UA-camrs recommend are constantly recommending every week. They say buy a shampoo and a conditioner and wash your hair consistently and frequently, how is that pushing an idea for money?
The biggest issue is being heavy handed, too much of anything can have an adverse effect. They also don’t want to wash the hair more than once but if it needs it why wouldn’t you 🤷🏾♀️
This is exactly my problem. I’m always heavy handed when applying oils & butters on my hair. I just couldn’t seem to stop myself from adding more and more until I felt the greasiness which wasn’t doing my fine strands any good. I don’t entirely hate it, I even use it on my mom and sister’s hair and it works just fine for them ! But me and and my heavy handedness are a whole mess. I feel like oils are something that I’ll go back to when my hair is a little bit longer but I’ll apply to my ends instead of the entire length of my hair.
I am not a hair professional, but I have a science background. My main issue is the claim of this trend being based on "scientific fact", I feel it is very misleading. We don't throw around such claims without research to back it. I touched on this in the video I made. When I tried the method, I didn't like it. But that's just me. Whoever likes it, I love it for them. I appreciate your take on it, was really looking forward to it.
This is what I was questioning with the method. I see them talk about it being based on science, but I’m thinking “ok what science. Can you direct me to the evidence.”
I think some of the science that people are claiming that this challenge has is the fact that many Black people believe that their kinky or curly hair doesn’t produce as much natural oils when in reality it does and with the detox it helps people learn more about how much natural oil their hair produces on its own. (At least that’s one thing I’ve been listening to). Many ppl want to learn about how their hair works naturally without so much product and in return find the things that their hair needs working on. (What’s causing the breakage in their edges, or why isn’t their crown area growing as much, what’s causing a bald spot somewhere, why is their hair so frizzy and more). I’m not for or against this challenge I think whatever works for someone is what’s best for them. But experimenting with your hair to learn more about it is a great idea.
The creators of this “trend” or movement NEVER said that oils are bad or that oils should be completely removed from anyone’s hair care regime. UA-camrs in Natural Hair Community always oversimplifying ish into clickbait headlines.
@@clodia1834 I don't know who you're referring to cause I never stated any of that. But whatever claims they did make are not backed by any scientific studies, and they are *not* scientists. They are not fit to frame the claims made in such a manner. It is misleading.
Thanks for the video. Personally I feel the reason many see they are having success from the no oil method is because they are finally washing their hair more, with shampoo. Also, I feel like many were probably going overboard with the amount of oil they used, only a few drops per section are needed in my opinion. I only wear wash and gos myself, and although it's not like my hair will fall apart if I don't use oil, I definitely see an improvement in my hair from lightly applying oil during my wash and go process.
I have a super sensitive scalp and 80% of the products on the market sends my scalp straight to hell. I can't use all these random products people recommend. It's worth sitting down and thoroughly researching the product/trend before diving in head first. Excuse me while I continue my ol' faithful routine. Lazy naturals unite! Lol
Lazy Naturals Unite! Yes! This method defiantly seems like it is for wash n go’s which I don’t do anymore. I also deal with bad dandruff, I never really got into heavy oils and butters, and once I found out I was low porosity then I started using a little light weight oils, but sometimes I forget because I’ve just never been a oils or butter natural. I just focus on leave ins. Also yeah, lots of products on the market readily activate my scalp and I’m not trying to deal with that anymore so I’m just leaning towards the botantical, clean ingredients, no dyes/colors, no fragrances, no drying alcohols, not a long shelf life products so I’ll see how it works
I’ve been avoiding the trendy videos about this topic. I discovered earlier this year that I was doing too much with oils and not enough cleansing. At the beginning of my hair journey I was using hella oil and Shea butter “to seal” in the moisture, since that’s what I learned on yt. But my hair was always so dull and dry. One time I had a really good cleansing session and saw an instant difference in my hair. It made me realize that I had been dealing with product build up and that the oils and butter were just sitting in layers on my strands. I started cleansing regularly and clarifying when needed. Now I only use a leave in and a botanical gel and my curls are always so defined and shiny with minimal product. I take a little bit of mango butter (Shea is too heavy) rub in my hands and put just enough on my ends (not going overboard like before). Hair is so healthy now , it’s a major difference. Shea butter also makes my hair poofy, mango defines it. I do use oils still but strategically and don’t leave them on for long. I may massage some in my scalp the night before my wash day. Or a quick hot oil treatment right before I wash my hair. I’m not drenching myself in oils and butters. At some point I was even using a Shea butter based shampoo , what a nightmare for my strands. I thought I was really doing something lol I noticed my hair is picky too, it just works better with certain oils vs others . my hair actually gets shiny if I use Argan oil, anything else kind of makes it look dull
All of this! I had a routine, it was working well bc I was consistent. Then life happened and I stopped. Tried this no oils no butters and my hair revolted. My hair loves oils used strategically and light butters used sporadically.
Great video. I am trying the no oils/no butters and I don’t have any issues but I did wonder how my hair has been able to shrink just fine when exposed to water (when I used my butters). I think the problem is improper hair washing - a lot of us stay away from shampoos or do so infrequently. Also, being too heavy handed with oils isn’t ideal either. It all comes down to how people want to wear their hair.
I agree. I think a lot of the people who tried this were already just way too heavy handed or playing into myths about black people not needing to wash our hair frequently. Two extremes. Love your channel!
I was not I washed my hair every 1-2 weeks but something was not right. I wash gentle with my hair. I still wear my in a bun or puff as before so I am not sacrificing anything. Just happy I am not doing pre- pooing and all that Jazz
I think you said the key things pretty early on in the video. Do naturals *need* raw oils, butters or grease? No. As they don't provide hold on their own, they can build up making it *harder* (not impossible) for water to get into the strands and and of course disrupt the ability for other stylers to work. You also make a great point about manipulation (or lack of manipulation) and hair memory! Thank you for that. Do they have benefits/things that ppl enjoy? Yes. Primarily shine esp if the hair has a natural dull surface ppl may crave that...and to another extent lubrication/feel... Luckily oils/butters are in all the products we use...shampoo, conditioners and often our stylers. I think these stylists are just attempting to cut out extra steps, simplify the routine and give reliable results... at the salon but most importantly at home, for clients to be able to manage their own hair. And it applies for wash & gos but also twists/flat twists/braids/cornrows (twisted out or left in). Different products are reccomended depending on the style. Layering gels is also another interesting thing that comes down to your climate, your desired look and longevity of style. I think if everyone comes at the information shared at face value and everyone asks questions in 5 years from now natural hair won't be so contentious. However we are creatures of habit and so I am interested to see the journey evolve and play out. I'm closely watching the product developer space and how they adopt or don't adopt what is being said right now. I'm also looking at the products that are moving units in the hair store. Thanks for your video.
I thought this was a good video! I’m a Curly Stylist but I enjoy looking at all types of work and not just Natural hair. Thank you on sharing because there are different types of Naturals and I think it’s important for the consumer to know what type of Natural they want to be and follow the stylist who can help them with that! I remember you on UA-cam a long time ago. I didn’t know you were a stylist now. I did the same thing started on UA-cam and became a stylist. Congratulations and I wish you continued success.❤️
Wow Narada, what a professional and balanced take on this. Your knowledge and experience explains the "why" - "why not" clearly and truly delivers a voice of reason on the topic. Kudos and thanx
Same! I had a video that I wanted to recommend for Thursday. I started to reply to the video because the girl was speaking as though what she was saying applied to all afro hair.
Narada, whatever you say about this topic I just know it’s going to be controversy. I honestly don’t understand the back and forth of why you shouldn’t use no oils, butters, creams, etc. I always use leave in conditioner with grease or leave in conditioner with oil because my hair dries out easily. I don’t see the fascination with not using oils, butters, etc because it’s not like it’s bad for your hair. I don’t like when my hair looks or feels dry either which is why I love grease or oil. I also think people should do what’s best for them instead of telling people not to use them since everyone hair is different.
@Trinity M ummm🤨 I don’t know where you got that information from but that doesn’t sound factual. I have been using grease since I was relaxed and now I’ve been natural since 2018. My hair has always been thick and long. If anything grease helps and it doesn’t matter which one I use because they all work for me. In fact I have blue magic and softee hair grease right now as we speak. Instead of dehydration like you claim, it helps my hair stay moisturize for longer. As I said earlier do what works best FOR YOU and stop telling others what to do. Have a nice day ❤️❤️
@Trinity M that’s all false it works for my hair and the petroleum is clarified you simply want to moisturize you hair before you use it because it works as a sealant not a moisturizer
@@kenkennedy8719 exactly I don’t know what she’s talking about. I could put straight Vaseline on my hair and it’ll be fine because my hair gets dried up easily
@@simplykendramichelle7702 thank you so much for stating this. There is so much misinformation out there about grease and I wish I never listened to the gurus about it when I first went natural. I've been using it now for almost a year, FAITHFULLY, and my hair has gotten thicker and retains length a lot faster than when I wasn't using it.
@@MagickalMermaid I made the same mistake when going natural, I listened to everyone but my hair. From 2018 until now I have learned that my hair grows tremendously with moisture (so I make sure to have leave in conditioner and grease or a oil) and it also grows when I leave it alone (so a protective style). Natural hair is simple but I think some people and mainly stylists over complicate it for no given reason at all 🤷🏽♀️
Thank you for this! I’ve just recently cut my locs off and have been rocking wash n gos with my twa and found this method to be helpful but I agree that the conversation is more towards demonizing oils and butters instead of the proper use of these products. I was starting to get confused because some stylists had conflicting views but this video sums it up perfectly
One girl stated that if you style your hair with oils it will prevent your hair from receiving any moisture like if you’re outside and it’s humid your hair wouldn’t take in any of that moisture. If your hair is so dry that you’re depending on the humidity for moisture there’s definitely something else going on in the styling regimen.
I appreciate that what you’re bringing to the conversation is nuance. Movements like no oils/butters starts to lack nuance when there are strict all-or-nothing views. People like that way of thinking because it’s very unambiguous, but in real life nuance is necessary.
You're so right! There's no one-size-fits-all when it comes to this stuff. This is just another trend to keep Natural Hair UA-cam interesting remember: Anti Coconut Oil, Wash n Go Only, No Poo, Hella Long Wash Days for No Reason, doing hella Protein Treatments, and now the No Oil Movement, etc. I tried to cut out oils and butter and do the "wash n go" lifestyle. However, styling just took me longer without it. Keeping my hair stretched with some oils and butter works for me personally.
I think people is miss understanding "no oils and butters" when is NOT DIRECT RAW oils and butters all products contains oils, but the piont is, look for products that doesn't contains them in the first 5 ingredients and wash your hair more often (2 a week depends of your scalp) because our hair needs water water and water. I'm saying this because I tried this and really works for me.
I only wear wash and goes so I love the idea of wash, condition and style with a gel. I workout 4 days a week and wash my hair once or twice a week so this works for me.
You probably won’t see any benefit from added oils or butters in your case because your wash and exercise frequency speed up the sebum production on your scalp
On a personal note, pure coconut oil made my hair feel oily yet dry at the same time so I no longer use it. My hair products already have oils so why add more? I don’t find them necessary.
Ugh😫 When I first went back natural I used raw coconut oil, and it had my hair feeling the same way. That oil is too heavy and my hair was still dry. I gave it up quickly.
That's how I am with my hair. I don't add oils or butters. Argan oil made my hair feel gritty. On the other hand, I can use it on my daughter's hair without a problem.
This whole no oils & butters thing is not gonna work for naturals like myself who don't have the mental energy or time to mess around in my hair often & wear low manipulation & protective styles. With that said I will fight folks to the death who try to take my softee hair grease from me. To👏🏾the👏🏾death👏🏾
thank you for pointing out that most of these stylists saying “no butters/oils” are pretty much only offering guidance on curl definition. i started to move away from curl definition because i personally feel like it teeters into texturism (ie. only getting compliments when my hair is defined). idk how helpful it is when i just want to put my hair in a protective style or do not care to define it. also, when i had used to have sisterlocks, i rarely used conditioner or oils (usually used one or both when i’d get them retightened). on my own, it was just a good weekly (or every few days) shampoo and a spray bottle of water between washes. i also no longer suffered from bad dandruff, which i experienced prior, but especially when my hair was relaxed.
When I initially went natural I was applying A LOT of oil or raw Shea butter to my hair for moisture & shine. But my hair was very greasy, dry and it didn't shine. The last couple of years I realized all I need is water and leave in conditioner. I don't need a separate application of oil/butter. That's what works for me.
@@TheDaneyeledee I am currently using Suave Nourish & Strengthen Leave In. Yes...it does have oils in it. Therefore I personally don't need additional oil, but of course that may not work for everyone.
@@TheDaneyeledee all products contains oils, the thing is avoid RAW DIRECT oils and butters and looks for product that oils and butter are not in the first 5 ingredients.
Fantastic video! I think the styling outcome a person is looking for should help dictate what products to use. I’m currently trying this method and from my personal experience it seems like a great way to hit “reset” on the hair. If you’re not sure what technique or product is causing your hair not to reach the goals or style you desire it helps deeply cleanse the hair so you can start over. I’ve previously used oils (not too many butters) in a balanced way and always pair my cleansing products (shampoos) with the method I chose to style my hair in. For example, if I choose to use a heavy butter or grease, I make sure to use a sulphate or clarifying shampoo to properly cleanse the hair. I love your approach to this subject. “Less is more!”Haircare isn’t a one size fits all because there are a myriad of factors that contribute to the regimen a person should create to achieve the results they want. Great video!!
Hey Latoya can’t wait for your vid to drop with your no oils no butters detox challenge. I’m open to common sense and practical approach to NH Care that’s why I’m here.
I’m one who hasn’t use oils or butters since I’ve been exclusively doing wash and gos for the past 3 years. It doesn’t cause frizz, it just doesn’t do anything for my hair. I use my leave in that is enriched, as you said, with oils and butter and my gel. That’s it. Occasionally when my hair feels especially dry (ie after I color), I may add a FEW drops after my leave in. Now when I exclusively did twist outs gel did nothing for me. I used oils and I used butters as my primary styler go figure. Also, I haven’t used grease with the exception of sulphur 8 maybe once or twice in over 15 years (through relaxes to natural). My scalp is sensitive and doesn’t like anything heavy on it. Oils were fine when I used them but now my scalp is like naw. Love the live watch parties even though I’m always at work lol!
I have high porosity hair and live in the desert. Butters and oils are a must after cleansing and deep Conditioning. My hair would become a dry tumble tangled weed without butters and oils.
I was interested in your perspective on this. I’ve watched some of the videos from the Black Girl Curl stylists and I agree that this method is optimal for ppl who primarily wear curly cuts and wash n go’s. I felt a little uncomfortable with how they discuss the concept of 4C hair. If you’re going to argue that hair typing is incorrect then why is that the only or main hair type you’re trying to debunk? For ppl who focus on curl definition I’m sure their methods work lovely. But that’s not the whole of ppl with natural hair (also their fans can be a little dogmatic🥴) but their points about using products properly, the importance of consistent shampooing and staying away from excessive use of raw oils and butters make sense. Also hard agree on the specious claims about it being science, no one is working with empirical evidence here. Nonetheless great vid! ❤️
You said it all, one size does not fit all. I will definitely go bald again if I stopped using oils in my hair and that is what I talk about on my channel but I was attacked by the "no oil no butter" enthusiasts. Let everyone do what works for their hair.
Hmm, this is just a theory of mines, however, I believe this trend might partially be a money saving concept for natural hair stylist who specializes in wash-and-gos. If you arrive to the salon with heavy products in your hair, the stylist is then forced to layer multiple applications of shampoo to clarify the hair strands. This leads to the stylist or the salon to spend more funds on shampoo or restoration treatments for the multiple clients they see daily. Of course, if they are seeking for the best curl formation and definition, I am quite sure that they want to achieve that look in the most efficient time possible while using less in-house products from their inventory. If I am correct, I feel as though this No oils/butters concept should have been directly communicated to their immediate clientele and not to the masses of people in the natural hair community. Yes, there is a lesson to be learned which is washing the hair more frequently, however oils and butters should not be deemed as something negative. Please let me know if I am incorrect with the product theory as I am not hairstylist. It would be nice to know what stylist pain points or grievances are when it comes to inventory and cost.
@@tinkthestrange Very true, however this is also about the amount of time spent per client. If there are longer wash sessions due to more "gunk" in the hair, that would mean less customers per day or overtime hours being spent in the salon. Efficiency is a factor here as well.
But they have been saying before and it didn’t take off then. It only took off now because of Twitter but the women behind this trend have always spoke about this method. I feel like people should know Korean about this method because clearly oils and butters aren’t working for everyone and they have a right to know there’s another way
@@dorothymontrose6371 Yes, this have been mentioned before in the past but the only reason why this method is taking off now is because of the blunt and assertive tone one particular stylist addressed the method on Twitter. Her tone was almost of frustration from having to deal with clients who misuses oils and butters. Stylist have a right to present an alternative, and if that is working for those who misused oils and butters, great! But let's just call a spade a spade. Coming into the salon with almost squeaky clean hair equals less product application and less time at the bowl. I honestly think this method is to improve salon culture. If someone primarily does their hair at home and is able to grow healthy waist length hair by properly applying oils and butters (which has been proven throughout the 10+ years of UA-camrs and non-influencers who grew their hair to that length), this method is not for them. This is why the stylists should have focused on the specific sector of the natural hair community that simply misused oils or their immediate clientele.
From another angle....Yes, it is a money saving strategy for the stylist. Because the client spends less money on other products and therefore have that extra money to spend with the stylist - be it more visits to their salon or buying the stylists' products instead of other brands. So the winner is the stylist. Of course they are pushing the "No Oils/No Butters" trend because it benefits them the most. 🤔
Good exposé ! I like oils and butters because I choose a 100% natural routine. I rinse my hair with and infusion of honey and plants/spicies. Then I apply a melt of shea butter, oils and glycerin to have a light cream. It took a while to know how to use raw products and now that works for me.
I love the way you provide the critical thought when it comes to natural hair. I use grease in my wash n go and I love how it coats my ends and gives an extra layer of protection it gives my curls.
Right. If it's good enough for my ancestors, it's good enough for me. Plus, I don't do wash & gos because that doesn't fit my lifestyle. My hair stays in braids, & the most you'll get from me is a braid-out.
@@theoddone6213 Facts. Im not a wash n go natural either and I started seeing a lot of growth when I found a simple protective style regimen that worked for me. Lots of water, water based leave-ins and oils/butters that work for *my* hair. They may not be for everyone but using oils/butters properly and in moderation is key.
So what do you use? Everybody's hair is different. I grow and maintain healthy hair and I use oils. It's whatever works for you. It's not to keep out water l nothing will do that, It's to seal in moisture. I've never had a issue in 12 years.
They also used cleansing shampoos. They didnt load their hair up with grease and then refuse to use sulfates. UA-camrs are starting these trends just to make money . Next thing you know they are having to big chop.
@@danyellejones3187 Absolutely. The best thing I did for my hair was getting off that "no washing" trend. Of course oils will cause a problem when they are caked up on your scalp.
The name of the site that developed this is Black Girl Curls. One stylist has well over 20 years of experience and the other stylist has 10 years of experience. They did not say all oils are bad. They stated butters and oils in their raw state do not benefit the hair. Oils and butters are not good or bad they really don't shit for your hair. Black Girl Curl main concern is washing your damn hair. They shortened the wash day. Great Moisturizing Shampoo, Conditioner and finish with an aloe based gel. The first week of the detox I was like "ah hell naw" I stuck with it and my hair adapted to the change. I do have a subscription to their website. I get that this routine may not everyone
I always love to hear your perspective on topics like this Narada and I absolutely agree. As a wash n go girl myself I find it exhausting watching people do back flips trying new methods to achieve the perfect curl. I know people who have used methods like BGC and have had amazing results, and I think that's awesome. On the flip side I think it's just another layer that people are trying to dissect in this swarm of natural hair do's and don'ts. I will say, what I find most frustrating coming from my own scientific background is watching people tout these methods as facts when they actually aren't. It continues the cycle of misinformation which does no favors for the masses. Thanks so much for sharing!!!
Thank you for your take on this method! Not a fan of wash n gos so I didn't consider trying the no oils/butters. I started paying attention to directions & found that products I claimed didn't "work" resulted from incorrect use and amazed at the difference. I was heavy handed too🤦🏾♀️
I liked the premiered video, it felt like a live stream!!! I loved your P.O.V on this topic. I style my hair mostly in wash n go's and still love oils for my scalp. I also have used 2 gels for a wash n go based on I didn't like how the gels preformed individually. It's not something I do on a normal basis but I can see why a stylist may do it. Instead of a gel and mousse they use 2 gels that gives the same effect. Now three gels or 3 stylers that's an overk!ll.
I’m definitely not anti oils and butters and I love hair grease! I do think they have their place, there are hairstyles that require these products and some that don’t. Professionals like yourself know how and when to use them. Thanks for this video. New subscriber from the Uk 🙂
I feel like Shampoo on a regular basis can save everyone’s hair life. Whether it’s oils, butters, creams, gels, etc., if you wash your hair and the hair legs at least once a week (depending on hair type), your hair will avoid being dry and having all these build up problems. If you need a second wash, go in with a cowash (if you don’t want to shampoo twice or if you don’t need to).
For me, I noticed an almost immediate change of my hair texture and retention of moisture, since I put down my oils and butters. They kept my hair dry as hell, and I thought I was following a healthy hair routine. I am personally excited that I went ahead and tried it! Do what works for the health of your hair💛
I find it funny how many fights I got into over this issues when you said the same same things. So happy to hear your side and experience on it. I thought I was crazy for thinking I seen it mainly with wash and goes because it seemed obvious to not use butters and oils for such styles. There was so much misinformation that I didn’t know how to sort most of it. So again thanks 🙏
I forgot to add the folks with the “I told y’all we do too much.” Not everyone puts 18 different products and heavy handedly apply conditioner etc. Than using Cowashes or water only washing and AcV to remove it all. I always looked at videos where people glob half the bottle till they hair turn white as doing too much sometimes a quarter size and accurate moisture is all that’s needed to make a product go a long way.
I’m sooooooo glad you made this video! I’ve been thinking about this topic and after every video response or reaction response I kept thinking 🤔 is no one taking into consideration what style you are trying to achieve???? I’m pretty sure the BGC are wash n go stylist, most people doing wash n go’s don’t use a lot of oils and butter we use gel and foams. Also clarifying the hair regularly also helps with moisture retention, I’m a wash n go kinda girl but I love me some avocado oil, argan oil, and jojoba oil. I felt like it was misleading to people struggling with their hair to proclaim something as bad when it’s not it’s just the way products need to be used
I really enjoyed this video. Very informative without being condescending. I just recently watched videos from the founders of 30 day hair detox and suspect the issue is the way the message is delivered rather than the message itself.
I've been re-watching yr content because you're licensed and know the real info. I'm ashamed that in the past I was caught up in all these natural hair trends... rice water, chebe powder, fenugreek and the list goes on and on. Why was I listening to ppl that had hair setbacks every year?
I didn't even finish the video and subscribed!!!!! Finally, someone who sounds like me! (I've been a professional natural hair specialist as well for 20 years and I also use grease and all their hair is POPPING! I offer similar services).
I feel oils and butters are better for protective style where stylers & gels are better for like wash n gos becuz those don't last as long due to definition. I find when I use oils and butters on my protective style, my hair stays moisturized for 2 weeks becuz the hair is tucked away compared to a twistout or washngo which my hair is dry in a week if not sooner.
This video was very informative and much needed. You didn’t go to any extremes to make your point and you were very contextual in your message. I really appreciate you for sharing this information. I hope it gets as many views as all of those other videos that go to the extreme on one end of the spectrum or another without providing context.
Love this post. For all women you have to decide what aesthetic you like and then process/product type to achieve. If you are a straight hair natural your product will look nothing like a curl set natural. What a person who wears twists/braids love can be different for locs. I wonder if all the craze is to further encourage consumption of more products. Between raw butters/grease, penetrating/sealing oils, custards/gel, activator/leave in, chebe/rice water, and now this and now you have an entire beauty supply store for a few heads of hair. I’m trying not to have more products than a cosmetologist who does 30 heads of hair or more per week.
Well concerning products, the stylists seem to encourage not using more than 3 products a wash day. Being the Shampoo, conditioner and styler. So most people would already have these in their stash as opposed to having to buy new ones.
It’s funny because a lot of people who support the movement are also licensed professionals. My problem with them is they act as if no one can disagree with them and all professionals feel the same and we are dumb for following UA-cam and they are anti UA-cam trends. But I know a lot of pros like yourself don’t agree. They act as if all hair can follow that rule and point out their experience to say yes everyone’s hair is different but some things are universal. They HATE when you say “do whatever works for you”. I think the main point is that you can do two different methods and come out with great results and that everyone’s desired results aren’t the SAME! Also like you said they specialize one type of hair styling. They fail to realize that not everyone wants to only do their hair like that and I feel like they think that’s the only way you should be wearing your hair. And I hate it. They don’t realize that they can be just as bad as the people they aren’t trying to be.
I think the issue with a lot of stylists is that a lot of the time they are fighting to be right, instead of just showing a different perspective and approach to hair.
Yeah, I'm not about the raking and shaking and fluffing every single day!!! I literally wake up and take off my head scarf and go with my flat twists/twists/french braids.
This was a really great explanation and it doesn’t negate what iamblackgirlcurls has been teaching but I would say provides additional context and explains how certain approaches would definitely be more preferable for different styles, lifestyles, when and why to utilize said practices/approaches, etc. I also think the curl specialists use different language for stylists than for consumers so I think some of the confusion has been only giving consumers what they “need” but that information not being the end all be all. This was really informative. Ty!
@@britjj5126 haha it’s funny because I definitely reread this after posting like “look at all those run-on sentences.” Thank you for taking the time to be kind. In undergrad I was a creative writing minor and I used to do some freelance writing 😊
Lawd I need to really figure out what works for my hair, been natural too long to not know, ready to do the big chop and start over... Ps.. your salon is absolutely beautiful
Same here. Just did a big chop and trying to figure it all out. But I still use my oils, butters and grease in moderation of course. Wishing us both luck with getting to know our hair.
I didn’t quit understand what these anti oil styles where saying because the shampoos, conditioners and hair stying products they recommended had some sort of oils in their ingredients like really contradicting themselves 🤦🏾♀️
look my dumbass “omg the salon looks greaaaaaatt daaaamnn” then its a whole fuccin picture.. you fooled me for about half a second 😂 ps. looovee the glasses and the beard is flourishing yaass
i love your response to this it was very impartial . and i love how you talked about how you used hair grease and oils with certain styles . that totally makes sense . people were acting like their hair was gonna fall out if they use oils . now personally i don’t use raw oils and butters . and i go to a curl specialist (i think that’s what some of them who specialize in wash and go’s will call themselves vs. a natural hair stylist because that can encompass a lot of different jobs that they do not do) . i was a slatherer of oils and shea butter with absolutely no knowledge of why . i just thought that my hair felt dry so it needed something to make it feel soft . but my hair stylist helped me to realize my hair doesn’t have to feel a certain way to be “moisturized”. i also did not wash my hair very frequently . so i think the no oil and butter message is for people like me who had absolutely no idea what they were doing and why . the real essence of styling hair whether it’s a wash and go or a twisted up do or a protective style is to wash, condition, and style . and with whatever style i do in the future since i am a wash and go girl right now - i will forever apply that process . i would always skip the wash but that’s such an important part !
This was really informative. If that’s the case I can definitely see the benefits of abstaining from oils and butters. Can I ask what do you do instead of using oils and butters now? Do you use a leave in conditioner or does your styling process not involve any leave in products anymore?
@@birdi3beez So like I mentioned before I go to a curl specialist and do whatever she tells me to do 😂 because it’s clear I cannot be trusted and I have fine hair and it’s very delicate so I be trying my hardest not to upset her. So as of right now since oils and butters are not stylers and I understand softness does not equate to hydration for me - I use a shampoo, conditioner, and two styling gels to style my wash and go. And that’s it until the next wash day. I have nothing against leave in conditioners or moisturizers I just personally do not use them because I’m following the regimen my stylist gave me!
Somebody else also made he observation that many of the people who do this wear wash n go's exclusively. Someone also said that a lot of them go very long periods of time without washing their hair or co wash mostly. I wash my hair weekly the most part and oils and butters have been working real well for me. I never have buildup, never have an itchy scalp and my hair is not dry. My kinky type 4 hair is very defined and uniform. Not to mention, I HATE gel, and I hate wash n go's. What I don't like is how a lot of these "stylists" keep aggressively pushing it on us all of a sudden. They need to explain how so many are thriving with the use of the oils and butters then?
This is the perfect example of how their information gets twisted. Most of those things aren't true. They never suggest co-washing unless it is for a very specific reason....notice I said a.....and they emphasize washing with shampoo and conditioner every 7-10 days as your basic routine. They also say don't use RAW oils and butters on the hair. They emphasized that for the detox which lasts for 30 days as people often use inferior products incorrectly and too much of it. It is to reset the hair. The products they suggest that people use already have the oils/butters in them, so their point is using raw oils causes certain results in the hair, and why use them if you are purchasing a high-quality product that already has them in them. In their eyes, the product has a job to do, and if you are going to spend money on the product, it should be able to the job it's supposed to do, if you have to add steps, or things daily/restyling, not only are you wasting your money, you are also wasting your time. 🤷🏾♀️ Also their style of choice is the WNG. Their advice is for WNG. I have been doing this now for over a year and a half. It's not a trend, as most people think it is basic hair care routine. They have been doing this for years, before YT was a thing. The fact that people are now ‘discovering it’ and discovering it incorrectly I might add, just leads to how misinformation is prevalent in these internet streets. Their advice is very simple: Shampoo and Condition and style every 7-10 days Use high-quality products Technique matters Learn how to apply the product correctly Be consistent. Go to the true source first before doing anything else.
@@renhypen Then that is fine if that is what works for THEIR hair. Telling people they are doing it wrong is what turns people off as well as being untrue. This still doesn't explain how some of us thrive using raw oils and butters. I diy a lot of stuff as well as buy ready made stuff. If you wear wng's this might be for you but like I said, a lot of us don't. Also some of us do not like gel.
@@Notagain44 OK, true like I said they do WNG, they gear their advice to their clients who do WNG, that's what I mean about misinformation, if you don't do WNG, do whatever works for your style. There are many different stylists, they have different strengths, I don't compare a WNG stylist to a stylist that does Silk Press or to one who is a colorist. Again we need to recognize where the information is geared towards and if it doesn't concern your life then it's ok to move on. 🤷🏾♀️ if people take the information and twist it, that's their doing, not the people who created the content. It's up to us to figure it out.
I've seen the video's of the "natural hair stylists" that you are most likely speaking about. I don't listen to them because my hair love oils. I don't use butters because it never really did anything for my hair but make my scalp itch. LOL But making my own oil with essential oils and other ingredients have grown my hair exponentially in this last year along with proper trims and protective styling. The thing that turned me off of those stylist was that they don't want you to straighten your hair. I love the versatility of my hair. I straighten, and do my curly styles. So I do what my hair likes and that's low manipulation. As long as I don't do too much to it too often, it's happy and healthy. When you know what's best for your own hair, keep doing that.
I just saw a post on Instagram about how getting your hair cut while straight can jack up the shape when you wear it curly. Now that was a new one on me LOL I personally trim my own hair when it’s straight and my hair isn’t jacked up. I want a cut I can wear both straight or curly.
@@rachelk4914 😩😂 to be fair on their website they explain they keep the hairstyles streamlined to focus on helping people master the whole concept then they can go off and will be able to do other styles once they’ve mastered the theory. As to the bob length keep in mind hair shrinks also most volunteers/clients going in to see them have just started the journey so don’t have super long length yet.
Thanks for explaining this topic, Narada. I was confused because no one was talking about what to use in place of butters and oils to help retain moisture. Butters and oils are in almost every natural hair care product.
You’re right about oils and grease. I use what my hair likes. My hair LOVES grapeseed oil and almond oil (hates coconut oil). I’ve never been able to use butters because my hair hates plant proteins, but for some people, butters work very well on their hair because it can handle the protein. Not my hair. I’ll be bald in no time if I put protein on my hair like that because protein damages my hair and makes it dry and frizzy. My natural hair also LOVES my alcohol-free bergamot hair grease (always has) because my grease seals in moisture for my hair like “magic”, but my oils don’t seal at all though. My grapeseed oil does give my hair nice shine which is why I like it for my twists. My almond oil softens my hair and a little goes a long way. I don’t do wash and gos because my hair is too long and I don’t have the tiiiime to be in the shower that long pulling through my strands with umpteen different products. If I ever do a wash and go, I won’t use my oils though because the style will be different. I put my natural hair up in twists and in a top bun for two weeks, that’s my go-to. Not doing my hair every week. My natural hair is growing like a weed and is thriving (because I don’t have my fingers in it all the time) and I’m not jumping on some one-size-fits-all paddy wagon; it’s too restrictive. When I started seeing videos about no oils no butters, I was like: Here we go with this “ it works for everybody” mess again. Nah, I’ll just watch from the sidelines. Do what works for you, is my motto.
This is a good. Yes, I really do believe we can be heavy handed with the oils and butters. I am choosing to let the oils and butters go to see if it will actually help. I usually do wash and go’s so it may work out. One thing I will say I have learned so far is how important clarifying your hair is. Thanks for sharing!
On point! You don’t need to bash other people’s ideas, just because you don’t necessarily agree with! the spectrum is wide and the world is not just black or just white. You’ve nailed it! Thank you Narada!
I’ve been using Shea butter on my hair for years, it’s helped my hair grow so much. It makes my hair soft, stretches out my shrinkage, helps me detangle my hair, and seals in moisture for my long term protective styles. Because it does so much, shea butter also helps me keep my hair routine minimal, and it’s one of only 3 products that I use and have been using for the last 5 years. I think oils and butters are a necessity for thick type 4 hair growth. If you’re happy with your current length, your hair is type 3 or looser, or is lacking density, do you. Otherwise, you’re doing yourself a disservice.
For now, I just oil my scalp after washing my hair and I seal my ends with a butter. I still pre-poo with oil since I like massaging my hair with my homemade oil.
I appreciate the time you made in this video to clear things up for those in the NHC. Thanks for sharing your perspective on the use of oils and butters, etc. 💯💕👏🏾
I tried it about a year ago cause I was out of town and didn't have oil near by to seal my hair after the styler. My hair was crispy and fried. I have to pass on this.
Our hair is dry and prone to breakage because the kinks/coils do not allow our natural oil (sebum) to travel down our hair shaft so it makes more sense that it would be ok to use oils that are similar in composition to our natural oil (sebum).
I appreciate your perspective on this. Ever since this trend started, I’ve had to listen to my sister tell me I need to stop using oils and butters because she saw some hair stylists on Twitter that made a thread about how they’re not good for my hair and blah blah blah. Chile, I’m just gonna send her your video to shut her ass up.
Hey Narada, I just rewatched an old wash n go video you did. You used elasta q p hair cream on your client and it looked absolutely beautiful. I’m all for a wash and go that lasts 2 weeks💜💜
Yep I use that on hair that is more naturally defined. They don't need the extra crunch or drying effects of gel. Hair like that just needs some assistance in clumping and soft hold to keep the curls in place.
Thanks for such a common sense approach to NH that considers individual choices and reinforcing importance to shampoo, conditioning and not overdoing styling products. Could you give please give some examples of botanical stylers for WNG or protective style?
Examples include Kinky Custard, Uncle Funkys Curly Magic, Obia Curl Enhancing Custard, Camille Rose (the pink bottle gel), etc. You can also make yours, e.g Aloe Vera or Flaxseed gel however, you have to use it at once or put preservative.
Mr Narada, I prefer the old school term HAIR DRESSER. I don't want a hair stylist, unless I get micro braids or the like. I agree with you on being able to do more with natural hair than a defined curl look. For me I would go to a Natural Hair Professional just for the health of it, including trims.
Great video. I’m fully grey now, and natural without butters and oils my roots and strands would loc. I wash my hair at least once a week and make my own aloe and flaxseed gel. No breakage now. I did use a wooden brush on my hair, which ripped out my hair from nape to front and I had de tangled before brushing it. The brush felt like my scalp was being massaged but the hair loss I experienced ….YIKES I use a clarifying shampoo as needed. When I tried sulphur 8 to regrow my hair it made my scalp itch so bad I had to wash it out🥹
I wear wash n go’s a lot. I use oils on my hair with my wash and go. I typically make it my last step after I apply the styler. I try my best not to be excessive b:c I don’t want my hair looking greasy. But it’s definitely something Unique to each person. But you gotta have a regular wash routine to keep your hair and scalp clean
I wash n style weekly(Anthony Dickey Method), or twist/braid. I use five drops of my grapeseed oil after my wash n go is ready, and Camille Aloe Butter Gel for Braid/Twist and that's all. This has helped my hair retain its health ever since. Africanhairgod, I salute your intelligence. Thanks for your knowledge.
For those of us with seborrheic dermatitis, we didn't have a choice when it came to oil/butter/grease/pomade avoidance, since they caused aggressive flare ups. I'd say that there is a lot of truth behind the information they provide. I also feel like they use that truth to mask the pseudoscience they pepper in at times (the use of the word "detox" is always a dead giveaway). I personally feel like their dismissive, and at times antagonistic approach to engagement is all marketing. They know people associate that kind of delivery with being an "authority" on a subject. It would explain why their most diehard advocates are almost cultish with their online engagement. But, I'll say I am in support of their "wash your damn hair" messaging. People do really gross things in the name of "not stripping" their hair lol
You're right about their antagonistic approach. That's why I love Embrace Natural Beauty, she shared the same "wash, condition, style" on here for at least 8 years now. And she's so graceful with it. None of that know-it-all vibe these other ones be on.
I have seborrheic dermatitis too. I use oils lightly (2x/week). My flare ups seem to be based on nutrition (i.e. excess sugar). It's a journey. But yes, wash regularly.
Thanks for this. It was nice to hear rational, balanced thoughts about using no oils/butters. You made me side-eye myself because I use two gels, a botanical gel and Wetline. I did this waaaaay before the no oils/butters became a thing. No real reason…it just made sense to me. I will try to skip the botanical gel and see how my hair responds. You may have just saved me some money!
Thank you to everyone for sharing your thoughts and experiences with this topic. I tend to stay in my little bubble here on my CHANNEL, because I'm tired of constantly having to fight against years of indoctrinated misinformation of natural hair care. I have a wealth of knowledge and experience with natural hair and it has been my life passion and joy ever since I first saw the beauty of my own hair and what it was capable of. Sometimes, I believe that tends to get overshadowed by my personality, vulgarity, and fun shade but I'm happy and willing to share to those that are willing to receive it.
Please share this video so we all can have a proper discussion where we all are able to accurately delineate and make informed decisions when it comes to what you decide to do with your hair.
I see that I have quite a number of new subscribers from this video. For those of you that liked this video enough to subscribe, I offer you a disclaimer to understand that I am not your typical UA-cam content creator and I'm not like any other natural hair stylist. I speak my mind and speak my words with conviction and freedom of expression. If you don't like cursing and derogatory language, if you don't like long videos, or if you unwilling to question and relinquish what you *think* you know about natural hair care, I may not be the channel for you. For everyone else, on behalf of our tribesmen, I you welcome to our AFRO TRIBE!
I’ve been watching you for years and have seen the development and evolution of your channel. Thank you for your authenticity and honesty on this platform, it’s much appreciated and needed. One day I hope to get a chance to get an appointment with you when I’m in ATL. Keep doing what you’re doing!
Your natural hair lives are truly a grown folks watch party 💜💜💜💜
Hi,
I'm glad you addressed this. I am a licensed cosmetologist and I am natural. I use oil and butters on myself and my clients. I watched a couple of those stylist and there is a lot of misinformation. One stylist said you only have sebaceous glands on your scalp and I was like🤔. Your body has sebaceous glands everywhere,there are More on the scalp than anywhere on the body. The detox states use no products with oil or butter in the first 5 ingredients. Everyone's hair is different. I did receive some knowledge from watching the trend. Thank you❤
Very balanced perspective.
I’ve learned to stop following natural hair trends for years now and mind mine and my hair’s business 🤷🏽♀️
This! Every yr there's a new natural hair trend that is just a money grab for those starting the trend. When people realize the amount of breakage they have from doing this, they will abandon it like so many other forgotten trend lol.
lol! My trichologists made me stop. Lol! They said those things are damaging your scalp and your hair. Haven't even oiled my scalp since February 2019. horrors and I use sulfate shampoo! lol!
Nowadays we have the “right” and the “best” natural hair treatments/routine/methods every week and honestly I am TIRED 🥱
You are right I have my routine and sticking on it😔😔 tired of those new trends which pop every time
We don’t have the same natural hair if something works for someone I’m not sure that it will work for me
Exactly and that is what I do too:)
So basically it’s the incorrect use of grease and oils and a lack of knowledge on how to properly cleanse the hair. You’re a True hair care professional.
Definitely!
Yup! That’s the conclusion I came to after consuming everyone’s info. Cleansing is sooooo important if you’re using grease
Exactly what I took from it too. Well said!
As a ex stylist myself I say this to EVERYONE nothing is necessarily BAD when it comes to hair care you gotta use shyt CORRECTLY !!! and know what YOUR INDIVIDUAL needs are. Period lol
@AfrikanHairGod I so love you. You have an amazing personality, and your hair care knowledge is evident.
I'm from Canada, but as soon as I can afford to travel to Georgia, I am booking a consult/appointment with you. I can't wait! 😄
“My work speaks for itself. My client’s hair speaks for itself.” And that’s that on that!
I remember one of those stylist was throwing shade on Narada's work on a IG comment, implying he's a braid specialist not a curl specialist and therefore this is why he's doing coils on looser curls instead of defining the individual curls. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ 🤦🏾♀️
They are in denial, even if they see his work they will something negative to say.
@@LoXena I think the stylist in question have softened up a bit.
@@LoXena 👀👀👀 who was this?
"Who had been sayin' DAT?" 🤣😂😭
@@LoXena oh I see. They aren't worth my time or attention. Thanks for the heads up though
I’m down for whatever works on my hair. Personally, oils and butters are not necessary for my hair but I don’t think it’s necessary to start and no oil and no butter movement because I’m sure oil and butters do wonders on another person’s head. The best Hair care is based on an individuals hair characteristics and needs.
said it perfectly
I think rather than a movement but a challenge and an experiment would be nice. Because like you said oil and butters may work for some ppl and the same can be said for those who simply thrive without using it at all. I think experimenting really help ppl to learn more about their hair.
They clarified that it's 30 Day Detox. It's people that changed to that
Yes. U r right. I have to ignore this trend, It's confusing. Generally, all the hair & skin products I use, especially black hair care moisturizers and lotions have oils embedded in them. So generally it's well known that oils help the hair & skin. That doesn't mean people walk out of the house on a daily basis w hair or skin slathered w oil. How can a hot oil treatment made with quality oils EVER be bad for the hair? Anyone ever heard of it causing damage?
@@beverlycharles6534 some people don't use quality oils or butter made for hair. They just put anything on their hair.
These trends are always so extreme, I just don’t get the point of them. 🤷🏾♀️
@Altered Curls they tell ppl at home to stop buying BS products that UA-camrs recommend are constantly recommending every week. They say buy a shampoo and a conditioner and wash your hair consistently and frequently, how is that pushing an idea for money?
The biggest issue is being heavy handed, too much of anything can have an adverse effect. They also don’t want to wash the hair more than once but if it needs it why wouldn’t you 🤷🏾♀️
This is exactly my problem. I’m always heavy handed when applying oils & butters on my hair. I just couldn’t seem to stop myself from adding more and more until I felt the greasiness which wasn’t doing my fine strands any good.
I don’t entirely hate it, I even use it on my mom and sister’s hair and it works just fine for them !
But me and and my heavy handedness are a whole mess. I feel like oils are something that I’ll go back to when my hair is a little bit longer but I’ll apply to my ends instead of the entire length of my hair.
This! Improper washing and dare I say it staying away from sulfates meanwhile using heavy, oily, thick products.
@@tracyc.1005 Yes, if one is using heavy creams oils and butters, one needs a sulfate shampoo to break that stuff up and to properly cleanse the hair.
I am not a hair professional, but I have a science background. My main issue is the claim of this trend being based on "scientific fact", I feel it is very misleading. We don't throw around such claims without research to back it. I touched on this in the video I made. When I tried the method, I didn't like it. But that's just me. Whoever likes it, I love it for them. I appreciate your take on it, was really looking forward to it.
This is what I was questioning with the method. I see them talk about it being based on science, but I’m thinking “ok what science. Can you direct me to the evidence.”
@@sylmarie exactly. and at the same time, i'm seeing actual chemists singing an entirely different song than the creators of this method.
I think some of the science that people are claiming that this challenge has is the fact that many Black people believe that their kinky or curly hair doesn’t produce as much natural oils when in reality it does and with the detox it helps people learn more about how much natural oil their hair produces on its own. (At least that’s one thing I’ve been listening to). Many ppl want to learn about how their hair works naturally without so much product and in return find the things that their hair needs working on. (What’s causing the breakage in their edges, or why isn’t their crown area growing as much, what’s causing a bald spot somewhere, why is their hair so frizzy and more). I’m not for or against this challenge I think whatever works for someone is what’s best for them. But experimenting with your hair to learn more about it is a great idea.
The creators of this “trend” or movement NEVER said that oils are bad or that oils should be completely removed from anyone’s hair care regime. UA-camrs in Natural Hair Community always oversimplifying ish into clickbait headlines.
@@clodia1834 I don't know who you're referring to cause I never stated any of that. But whatever claims they did make are not backed by any scientific studies, and they are *not* scientists. They are not fit to frame the claims made in such a manner. It is misleading.
Your salon is absolutely beautiful!!
It's a background image that's not my salon 😭 #gotcha!
Lol, he fooled me.
Thanks for the video. Personally I feel the reason many see they are having success from the no oil method is because they are finally washing their hair more, with shampoo. Also, I feel like many were probably going overboard with the amount of oil they used, only a few drops per section are needed in my opinion. I only wear wash and gos myself, and although it's not like my hair will fall apart if I don't use oil, I definitely see an improvement in my hair from lightly applying oil during my wash and go process.
I have a super sensitive scalp and 80% of the products on the market sends my scalp straight to hell. I can't use all these random products people recommend. It's worth sitting down and thoroughly researching the product/trend before diving in head first. Excuse me while I continue my ol' faithful routine. Lazy naturals unite! Lol
Same. I had to go to the trichologists. So ended my journey with raw oils and raw butters in February 2019.
Same. I had a dermatologist since I was 4 or 5 years old because of scalp issues.
Lazy Naturals Unite! Yes! This method defiantly seems like it is for wash n go’s which I don’t do anymore. I also deal with bad dandruff, I never really got into heavy oils and butters, and once I found out I was low porosity then I started using a little light weight oils, but sometimes I forget because I’ve just never been a oils or butter natural. I just focus on leave ins.
Also yeah, lots of products on the market readily activate my scalp and I’m not trying to deal with that anymore so I’m just leaning towards the botantical, clean ingredients, no dyes/colors, no fragrances, no drying alcohols, not a long shelf life products so I’ll see how it works
I’ve been avoiding the trendy videos about this topic. I discovered earlier this year that I was doing too much with oils and not enough cleansing. At the beginning of my hair journey I was using hella oil and Shea butter “to seal” in the moisture, since that’s what I learned on yt. But my hair was always so dull and dry. One time I had a really good cleansing session and saw an instant difference in my hair. It made me realize that I had been dealing with product build up and that the oils and butter were just sitting in layers on my strands. I started cleansing regularly and clarifying when needed. Now I only use a leave in and a botanical gel and my curls are always so defined and shiny with minimal product. I take a little bit of mango butter (Shea is too heavy) rub in my hands and put just enough on my ends (not going overboard like before). Hair is so healthy now , it’s a major difference. Shea butter also makes my hair poofy, mango defines it. I do use oils still but strategically and don’t leave them on for long. I may massage some in my scalp the night before my wash day. Or a quick hot oil treatment right before I wash my hair. I’m not drenching myself in oils and butters. At some point I was even using a Shea butter based shampoo , what a nightmare for my strands. I thought I was really doing something lol I noticed my hair is picky too, it just works better with certain oils vs others . my hair actually gets shiny if I use Argan oil, anything else kind of makes it look dull
All of this! I had a routine, it was working well bc I was consistent. Then life happened and I stopped. Tried this no oils no butters and my hair revolted. My hair loves oils used strategically and light butters used sporadically.
I do the same as you,
Go Head Narada! Please balance the equation on this topic. People can really block their progress trying all of these random waves in the NHC!
Great video. I am trying the no oils/no butters and I don’t have any issues but I did wonder how my hair has been able to shrink just fine when exposed to water (when I used my butters). I think the problem is improper hair washing -
a lot of us stay away from shampoos or do so infrequently. Also, being too heavy handed with oils isn’t ideal either. It all comes down to how people want to wear their hair.
I agree balance is key with everything! Thank you for watching!
i agree
I agree. I think a lot of the people who tried this were already just way too heavy handed or playing into myths about black people not needing to wash our hair frequently. Two extremes. Love your channel!
I was not I washed my hair every 1-2 weeks but something was not right. I wash gentle with my hair. I still wear my in a bun or puff as before so I am not sacrificing anything. Just happy I am not doing pre- pooing and all that Jazz
Hi Jenn, love from South Africa 🇿🇦🇿🇦. I have also been following your no oil no butter challenge.
I think you said the key things pretty early on in the video.
Do naturals *need* raw oils, butters or grease? No. As they don't provide hold on their own, they can build up making it *harder* (not impossible) for water to get into the strands and and of course disrupt the ability for other stylers to work. You also make a great point about manipulation (or lack of manipulation) and hair memory! Thank you for that.
Do they have benefits/things that ppl enjoy? Yes. Primarily shine esp if the hair has a natural dull surface ppl may crave that...and to another extent lubrication/feel...
Luckily oils/butters are in all the products we use...shampoo, conditioners and often our stylers.
I think these stylists are just attempting to cut out extra steps, simplify the routine and give reliable results... at the salon but most importantly at home, for clients to be able to manage their own hair. And it applies for wash & gos but also twists/flat twists/braids/cornrows (twisted out or left in). Different products are reccomended depending on the style.
Layering gels is also another interesting thing that comes down to your climate, your desired look and longevity of style.
I think if everyone comes at the information shared at face value and everyone asks questions in 5 years from now natural hair won't be so contentious.
However we are creatures of habit and so I am interested to see the journey evolve and play out. I'm closely watching the product developer space and how they adopt or don't adopt what is being said right now. I'm also looking at the products that are moving units in the hair store.
Thanks for your video.
I thought this was a good video! I’m a Curly Stylist but I enjoy looking at all types of work and not just Natural hair. Thank you on sharing because there are different types of Naturals and I think it’s important for the consumer to know what type of Natural they want to be and follow the stylist who can help them with that! I remember you on UA-cam a long time ago. I didn’t know you were a stylist now. I did the same thing started on UA-cam and became a stylist. Congratulations and I wish you continued success.❤️
Thank you so much and same to use. I followed and watched you as well back in the day. Much love, respect and success to you!
Wow Narada, what a professional and balanced take on this. Your knowledge and experience explains the "why" - "why not" clearly and truly delivers a voice of reason on the topic. Kudos and thanx
It's like u read my mind..I surely was just thinking "What does Narada think about the no oils and butters trend"????
Same! I had a video that I wanted to recommend for Thursday. I started to reply to the video because the girl was speaking as though what she was saying applied to all afro hair.
What’s the name of the video??
Narada, whatever you say about this topic I just know it’s going to be controversy. I honestly don’t understand the back and forth of why you shouldn’t use no oils, butters, creams, etc. I always use leave in conditioner with grease or leave in conditioner with oil because my hair dries out easily. I don’t see the fascination with not using oils, butters, etc because it’s not like it’s bad for your hair. I don’t like when my hair looks or feels dry either which is why I love grease or oil. I also think people should do what’s best for them instead of telling people not to use them since everyone hair is different.
@Trinity M ummm🤨 I don’t know where you got that information from but that doesn’t sound factual. I have been using grease since I was relaxed and now I’ve been natural since 2018. My hair has always been thick and long. If anything grease helps and it doesn’t matter which one I use because they all work for me. In fact I have blue magic and softee hair grease right now as we speak. Instead of dehydration like you claim, it helps my hair stay moisturize for longer. As I said earlier do what works best FOR YOU and stop telling others what to do. Have a nice day ❤️❤️
@Trinity M that’s all false it works for my hair and the petroleum is clarified you simply want to moisturize you hair before you use it because it works as a sealant not a moisturizer
@@kenkennedy8719 exactly I don’t know what she’s talking about. I could put straight Vaseline on my hair and it’ll be fine because my hair gets dried up easily
@@simplykendramichelle7702 thank you so much for stating this. There is so much misinformation out there about grease and I wish I never listened to the gurus about it when I first went natural. I've been using it now for almost a year, FAITHFULLY, and my hair has gotten thicker and retains length a lot faster than when I wasn't using it.
@@MagickalMermaid I made the same mistake when going natural, I listened to everyone but my hair. From 2018 until now I have learned that my hair grows tremendously with moisture (so I make sure to have leave in conditioner and grease or a oil) and it also grows when I leave it alone (so a protective style). Natural hair is simple but I think some people and mainly stylists over complicate it for no given reason at all 🤷🏽♀️
Thank you for this! I’ve just recently cut my locs off and have been rocking wash n gos with my twa and found this method to be helpful but I agree that the conversation is more towards demonizing oils and butters instead of the proper use of these products. I was starting to get confused because some stylists had conflicting views but this video sums it up perfectly
One girl stated that if you style your hair with oils it will prevent your hair from receiving any moisture like if you’re outside and it’s humid your hair wouldn’t take in any of that moisture. If your hair is so dry that you’re depending on the humidity for moisture there’s definitely something else going on in the styling regimen.
I appreciate that what you’re bringing to the conversation is nuance. Movements like no oils/butters starts to lack nuance when there are strict all-or-nothing views. People like that way of thinking because it’s very unambiguous, but in real life nuance is necessary.
You're so right! There's no one-size-fits-all when it comes to this stuff. This is just another trend to keep Natural Hair UA-cam interesting remember: Anti Coconut Oil, Wash n Go Only, No Poo, Hella Long Wash Days for No Reason, doing hella Protein Treatments, and now the No Oil Movement, etc. I tried to cut out oils and butter and do the "wash n go" lifestyle. However, styling just took me longer without it. Keeping my hair stretched with some oils and butter works for me personally.
Remember the water only method. That mess didn’t last long!
I think people is miss understanding "no oils and butters" when is NOT DIRECT RAW oils and butters all products contains oils, but the piont is, look for products that doesn't contains them in the first 5 ingredients and wash your hair more often (2 a week depends of your scalp) because our hair needs water water and water. I'm saying this because I tried this and really works for me.
dont forget the water only movement!
I only wear wash and goes so I love the idea of wash, condition and style with a gel. I workout 4 days a week and wash my hair once or twice a week so this works for me.
You probably won’t see any benefit from added oils or butters in your case because your wash and exercise frequency speed up the sebum production on your scalp
On a personal note, pure coconut oil made my hair feel oily yet dry at the same time so I no longer use it. My hair products already have oils so why add more? I don’t find them necessary.
Ugh😫 When I first went back natural I used raw coconut oil, and it had my hair feeling the same way. That oil is too heavy and my hair was still dry. I gave it up quickly.
That's how I am with my hair. I don't add oils or butters. Argan oil made my hair feel gritty. On the other hand, I can use it on my daughter's hair without a problem.
Coconut oil is a penetrating oil. It kinda acts like a protein. It doesn't seal in moisture.. I use it under my sealing oil.
This makes a whole lot of sense. Thank you for taking the time to break it all down!!
The only hair stylist I’ll actually listen to 🙏
This whole no oils & butters thing is not gonna work for naturals like myself who don't have the mental energy or time to mess around in my hair often & wear low manipulation & protective styles. With that said I will fight folks to the death who try to take my softee hair grease from me. To👏🏾the👏🏾death👏🏾
thank you for pointing out that most of these stylists saying “no butters/oils” are pretty much only offering guidance on curl definition. i started to move away from curl definition because i personally feel like it teeters into texturism (ie. only getting compliments when my hair is defined). idk how helpful it is when i just want to put my hair in a protective style or do not care to define it. also, when i had used to have sisterlocks, i rarely used conditioner or oils (usually used one or both when i’d get them retightened). on my own, it was just a good weekly (or every few days) shampoo and a spray bottle of water between washes. i also no longer suffered from bad dandruff, which i experienced prior, but especially when my hair was relaxed.
When I initially went natural I was applying A LOT of oil or raw Shea butter to my hair for moisture & shine. But my hair was very greasy, dry and it didn't shine. The last couple of years I realized all I need is water and leave in conditioner. I don't need a separate application of oil/butter. That's what works for me.
same.
Most leave ins have oils in them. What kind of leave in do you use?
@@TheDaneyeledee I am currently using Suave Nourish & Strengthen Leave In. Yes...it does have oils in it. Therefore I personally don't need additional oil, but of course that may not work for everyone.
@@TheDaneyeledee Yes, but there is a difference between raw oil and products infused with oil
@@TheDaneyeledee all products contains oils, the thing is avoid RAW DIRECT oils and butters and looks for product that oils and butter are not in the first 5 ingredients.
Fantastic video! I think the styling outcome a person is looking for should help dictate what products to use. I’m currently trying this method and from my personal experience it seems like a great way to hit “reset” on the hair. If you’re not sure what technique or product is causing your hair not to reach the goals or style you desire it helps deeply cleanse the hair so you can start over. I’ve previously used oils (not too many butters) in a balanced way and always pair my cleansing products (shampoos) with the method I chose to style my hair in. For example, if I choose to use a heavy butter or grease, I make sure to use a sulphate or clarifying shampoo to properly cleanse the hair. I love your approach to this subject. “Less is more!”Haircare isn’t a one size fits all because there are a myriad of factors that contribute to the regimen a person should create to achieve the results they want. Great video!!
Hey Latoya can’t wait for your vid to drop with your no oils no butters detox challenge. I’m open to common sense and practical approach to NH Care that’s why I’m here.
I love the silence when discussing product layering. Love the focus on product knowledge over the focus of following trends.
I’m one who hasn’t use oils or butters since I’ve been exclusively doing wash and gos for the past 3 years. It doesn’t cause frizz, it just doesn’t do anything for my hair. I use my leave in that is enriched, as you said, with oils and butter and my gel. That’s it. Occasionally when my hair feels especially dry (ie after I color), I may add a FEW drops after my leave in.
Now when I exclusively did twist outs gel did nothing for me. I used oils and I used butters as my primary styler go figure.
Also, I haven’t used grease with the exception of sulphur 8 maybe once or twice in over 15 years (through relaxes to natural). My scalp is sensitive and doesn’t like anything heavy on it. Oils were fine when I used them but now my scalp is like naw.
Love the live watch parties even though I’m always at work lol!
This is the most grounded and respectful view I have seen on this topic!
I have high porosity hair and live in the desert. Butters and oils are a must after cleansing and deep Conditioning. My hair would become a dry tumble tangled weed without butters and oils.
That's what I keep wondering about the no oil thing. if you live in dry climates how do you keep it from drying out
I'm high porosity but live in extremely humid like 80s. My hair would poof
@@Icyjessy1 Same with me in S.Florida!
I was interested in your perspective on this. I’ve watched some of the videos from the Black Girl Curl stylists and I agree that this method is optimal for ppl who primarily wear curly cuts and wash n go’s. I felt a little uncomfortable with how they discuss the concept of 4C hair. If you’re going to argue that hair typing is incorrect then why is that the only or main hair type you’re trying to debunk?
For ppl who focus on curl definition I’m sure their methods work lovely. But that’s not the whole of ppl with natural hair (also their fans can be a little dogmatic🥴) but their points about using products properly, the importance of consistent shampooing and staying away from excessive use of raw oils and butters make sense. Also hard agree on the specious claims about it being science, no one is working with empirical evidence here.
Nonetheless great vid! ❤️
I especially like how you start off with “there is no one size fits all”… that right there let me know you know your stuff.
You said it all, one size does not fit all. I will definitely go bald again if I stopped using oils in my hair and that is what I talk about on my channel but I was attacked by the "no oil no butter" enthusiasts. Let everyone do what works for their hair.
Class was definitely in session here. Thank you for giving us your professional insight on this topic.
Hmm, this is just a theory of mines, however, I believe this trend might partially be a money saving concept for natural hair stylist who specializes in wash-and-gos. If you arrive to the salon with heavy products in your hair, the stylist is then forced to layer multiple applications of shampoo to clarify the hair strands. This leads to the stylist or the salon to spend more funds on shampoo or restoration treatments for the multiple clients they see daily. Of course, if they are seeking for the best curl formation and definition, I am quite sure that they want to achieve that look in the most efficient time possible while using less in-house products from their inventory. If I am correct, I feel as though this No oils/butters concept should have been directly communicated to their immediate clientele and not to the masses of people in the natural hair community. Yes, there is a lesson to be learned which is washing the hair more frequently, however oils and butters should not be deemed as something negative. Please let me know if I am incorrect with the product theory as I am not hairstylist.
It would be nice to know what stylist pain points or grievances are when it comes to inventory and cost.
But the stylist sets the price of the service. If the service uses more products then the price can be slightly increased to offset that.
@@tinkthestrange Very true, however this is also about the amount of time spent per client. If there are longer wash sessions due to more "gunk" in the hair, that would mean less customers per day or overtime hours being spent in the salon. Efficiency is a factor here as well.
But they have been saying before and it didn’t take off then. It only took off now because of Twitter but the women behind this trend have always spoke about this method. I feel like people should know Korean about this method because clearly oils and butters aren’t working for everyone and they have a right to know there’s another way
@@dorothymontrose6371 Yes, this have been mentioned before in the past but the only reason why this method is taking off now is because of the blunt and assertive tone one particular stylist addressed the method on Twitter. Her tone was almost of frustration from having to deal with clients who misuses oils and butters. Stylist have a right to present an alternative, and if that is working for those who misused oils and butters, great! But let's just call a spade a spade. Coming into the salon with almost squeaky clean hair equals less product application and less time at the bowl. I honestly think this method is to improve salon culture. If someone primarily does their hair at home and is able to grow healthy waist length hair by properly applying oils and butters (which has been proven throughout the 10+ years of UA-camrs and non-influencers who grew their hair to that length), this method is not for them. This is why the stylists should have focused on the specific sector of the natural hair community that simply misused oils or their immediate clientele.
From another angle....Yes, it is a money saving strategy for the stylist. Because the client spends less money on other products and therefore have that extra money to spend with the stylist - be it more visits to their salon or buying the stylists' products instead of other brands. So the winner is the stylist. Of course they are pushing the "No Oils/No Butters" trend because it benefits them the most. 🤔
Your explanation on how oils “seal” made a lot of sense. Thank you! ✨
Good exposé ! I like oils and butters because I choose a 100% natural routine. I rinse my hair with and infusion of honey and plants/spicies. Then I apply a melt of shea butter, oils and glycerin to have a light cream. It took a while to know how to use raw products and now that works for me.
I love the way you provide the critical thought when it comes to natural hair. I use grease in my wash n go and I love how it coats my ends and gives an extra layer of protection it gives my curls.
I guess our ancestors who've been using indigenous oils and butters for centuries to grow and nurture their hair had it all wrong. 🙄😒
Right. If it's good enough for my ancestors, it's good enough for me. Plus, I don't do wash & gos because that doesn't fit my lifestyle. My hair stays in braids, & the most you'll get from me is a braid-out.
@@theoddone6213 Facts. Im not a wash n go natural either and I started seeing a lot of growth when I found a simple protective style regimen that worked for me. Lots of water, water based leave-ins and oils/butters that work for *my* hair. They may not be for everyone but using oils/butters properly and in moderation is key.
So what do you use? Everybody's hair is different. I grow and maintain healthy hair and I use oils. It's whatever works for you. It's not to keep out water l nothing will do that, It's to seal in moisture. I've never had a issue in 12 years.
They also used cleansing shampoos. They didnt load their hair up with grease and then refuse to use sulfates. UA-camrs are starting these trends just to make money . Next thing you know they are having to big chop.
@@danyellejones3187 Absolutely. The best thing I did for my hair was getting off that "no washing" trend. Of course oils will cause a problem when they are caked up on your scalp.
The name of the site that developed this is Black Girl Curls. One stylist has well over 20 years of experience and the other stylist has 10 years of experience. They did not say all oils are bad. They stated butters and oils in their raw state do not benefit the hair. Oils and butters are not good or bad they really don't shit for your hair. Black Girl Curl main concern is washing your damn hair. They shortened the wash day. Great Moisturizing Shampoo, Conditioner and finish with an aloe based gel. The first week of the detox I was like "ah hell naw" I stuck with it and my hair adapted to the change. I do have a subscription to their website. I get that this routine may not everyone
I always love to hear your perspective on topics like this Narada and I absolutely agree. As a wash n go girl myself I find it exhausting watching people do back flips trying new methods to achieve the perfect curl. I know people who have used methods like BGC and have had amazing results, and I think that's awesome. On the flip side I think it's just another layer that people are trying to dissect in this swarm of natural hair do's and don'ts. I will say, what I find most frustrating coming from my own scientific background is watching people tout these methods as facts when they actually aren't. It continues the cycle of misinformation which does no favors for the masses. Thanks so much for sharing!!!
I completely agree thank you for sharing your thoughts
Thank you for your take on this method! Not a fan of wash n gos so I didn't consider trying the no oils/butters. I started paying attention to directions & found that products I claimed didn't "work" resulted from incorrect use and amazed at the difference. I was heavy handed too🤦🏾♀️
You live and learn! 👍
Before you even said it, I’m like “ooo he came professional today” 😂
Had to switch it up on em and keep y'all on ya toes
I liked the premiered video, it felt like a live stream!!!
I loved your P.O.V on this topic.
I style my hair mostly in wash n go's and still love oils for my scalp.
I also have used 2 gels for a wash n go based on I didn't like how the gels preformed individually. It's not something I do on a normal basis but I can see why a stylist may do it. Instead of a gel and mousse they use 2 gels that gives the same effect. Now three gels or 3 stylers that's an overk!ll.
I’m definitely not anti oils and butters and I love hair grease! I do think they have their place, there are hairstyles that require these products and some that don’t. Professionals like yourself know how and when to use them. Thanks for this video. New subscriber from the Uk 🙂
I feel like Shampoo on a regular basis can save everyone’s hair life. Whether it’s oils, butters, creams, gels, etc., if you wash your hair and the hair legs at least once a week (depending on hair type), your hair will avoid being dry and having all these build up problems. If you need a second wash, go in with a cowash (if you don’t want to shampoo twice or if you don’t need to).
Hair legs?
@@kelliecook736 the length of the hair and the ends
What in the follicles? Lmaaooo
@@keishalebray1996 is this stylist talk? I thought the ends of your hair strand was apart of the length
@@kelliecook736 it is. I tend to just call it hair legs because people don’t wash them. They just wash the scalp.
For me, I noticed an almost immediate change of my hair texture and retention of moisture, since I put down my oils and butters. They kept my hair dry as hell, and I thought I was following a healthy hair routine. I am personally excited that I went ahead and tried it! Do what works for the health of your hair💛
I find it funny how many fights I got into over this issues when you said the same same things. So happy to hear your side and experience on it.
I thought I was crazy for thinking I seen it mainly with wash and goes because it seemed obvious to not use butters and oils for such styles. There was so much misinformation that I didn’t know how to sort most of it. So again thanks 🙏
I forgot to add the folks with the “I told y’all we do too much.” Not everyone puts 18 different products and heavy handedly apply conditioner etc. Than using Cowashes or water only washing and AcV to remove it all. I always looked at videos where people glob half the bottle till they hair turn white as doing too much sometimes a quarter size and accurate moisture is all that’s needed to make a product go a long way.
I’m sooooooo glad you made this video! I’ve been thinking about this topic and after every video response or reaction response I kept thinking 🤔 is no one taking into consideration what style you are trying to achieve???? I’m pretty sure the BGC are wash n go stylist, most people doing wash n go’s don’t use a lot of oils and butter we use gel and foams. Also clarifying the hair regularly also helps with moisture retention, I’m a wash n go kinda girl but I love me some avocado oil, argan oil, and jojoba oil. I felt like it was misleading to people struggling with their hair to proclaim something as bad when it’s not it’s just the way products need to be used
I really enjoyed this video. Very informative without being condescending. I just recently watched videos from the founders of 30 day hair detox and suspect the issue is the way the message is delivered rather than the message itself.
I've been re-watching yr content because you're licensed and know the real info. I'm ashamed that in the past I was caught up in all these natural hair trends... rice water, chebe powder, fenugreek and the list goes on and on. Why was I listening to ppl that had hair setbacks every year?
We all feel victim to the fantasy of all the hair promises those gimmicks had. When you know better, you do better!
I didn't even finish the video and subscribed!!!!! Finally, someone who sounds like me! (I've been a professional natural hair specialist as well for 20 years and I also use grease and all their hair is POPPING! I offer similar services).
I feel oils and butters are better for protective style where stylers & gels are better for like wash n gos becuz those don't last as long due to definition. I find when I use oils and butters on my protective style, my hair stays moisturized for 2 weeks becuz the hair is tucked away compared to a twistout or washngo which my hair is dry in a week if not sooner.
This video was very informative and much needed. You didn’t go to any extremes to make your point and you were very contextual in your message.
I really appreciate you for sharing this information. I hope it gets as many views as all of those other videos that go to the extreme on one end of the spectrum or another without providing context.
Love this post. For all women you have to decide what aesthetic you like and then process/product type to achieve. If you are a straight hair natural your product will look nothing like a curl set natural. What a person who wears twists/braids love can be different for locs. I wonder if all the craze is to further encourage consumption of more products. Between raw butters/grease, penetrating/sealing oils, custards/gel, activator/leave in, chebe/rice water, and now this and now you have an entire beauty supply store for a few heads of hair. I’m trying not to have more products than a cosmetologist who does 30 heads of hair or more per week.
Well concerning products, the stylists seem to encourage not using more than 3 products a wash day. Being the Shampoo, conditioner and styler. So most people would already have these in their stash as opposed to having to buy new ones.
It’s funny because a lot of people who support the movement are also licensed professionals. My problem with them is they act as if no one can disagree with them and all professionals feel the same and we are dumb for following UA-cam and they are anti UA-cam trends. But I know a lot of pros like yourself don’t agree. They act as if all hair can follow that rule and point out their experience to say yes everyone’s hair is different but some things are universal. They HATE when you say “do whatever works for you”. I think the main point is that you can do two different methods and come out with great results and that everyone’s desired results aren’t the SAME! Also like you said they specialize one type of hair styling. They fail to realize that not everyone wants to only do their hair like that and I feel like they think that’s the only way you should be wearing your hair. And I hate it. They don’t realize that they can be just as bad as the people they aren’t trying to be.
I think the issue with a lot of stylists is that a lot of the time they are fighting to be right, instead of just showing a different perspective and approach to hair.
@@AfrikanHairGod AGREED!
My issue is I don’t like washing gos 😂
Sis I’m with you on this one; wash n gos are a problem for me 😹😹
Girl, same! I do not have time for all that so it's a no from me 😂
Oils 4 Life!! 🤣 I’m a lazy natural and I’m not with the gel life. Unless I’m getting those 90’s Shirley Temple curls, it’s a nah for me.
Yeah, I'm not about the raking and shaking and fluffing every single day!!! I literally wake up and take off my head scarf and go with my flat twists/twists/french braids.
I don’t know how they do it. I would have tapped out of being natural a long time ago if I did 😩
I’m glad you addressed this topic. I was hoping that you would. I love how you approached this topic.
Thank you! ❤️
This was a really great explanation and it doesn’t negate what iamblackgirlcurls has been teaching but I would say provides additional context and explains how certain approaches would definitely be more preferable for different styles, lifestyles, when and why to utilize said practices/approaches, etc. I also think the curl specialists use different language for stylists than for consumers so I think some of the confusion has been only giving consumers what they “need” but that information not being the end all be all. This was really informative. Ty!
Yes girl! Side note, I bet you got A+ on all your essays, that was really succinct and well articulated!
@@britjj5126 haha it’s funny because I definitely reread this after posting like “look at all those run-on sentences.” Thank you for taking the time to be kind. In undergrad I was a creative writing minor and I used to do some freelance writing 😊
Lawd I need to really figure out what works for my hair, been natural too long to not know, ready to do the big chop and start over... Ps.. your salon is absolutely beautiful
Same here. Just did a big chop and trying to figure it all out. But I still use my oils, butters and grease in moderation of course. Wishing us both luck with getting to know our hair.
I didn’t quit understand what these anti oil styles where saying because the shampoos, conditioners and hair stying products they recommended had some sort of oils in their ingredients like really contradicting themselves 🤦🏾♀️
look my dumbass “omg the salon looks greaaaaaatt daaaamnn” then its a whole fuccin picture.. you fooled me for about half a second 😂 ps. looovee the glasses and the beard is flourishing yaass
Lmao thank you!
i love your response to this it was very impartial . and i love how you talked about how you used hair grease and oils with certain styles . that totally makes sense . people were acting like their hair was gonna fall out if they use oils . now personally i don’t use raw oils and butters . and i go to a curl specialist (i think that’s what some of them who specialize in wash and go’s will call themselves vs. a natural hair stylist because that can encompass a lot of different jobs that they do not do) . i was a slatherer of oils and shea butter with absolutely no knowledge of why . i just thought that my hair felt dry so it needed something to make it feel soft . but my hair stylist helped me to realize my hair doesn’t have to feel a certain way to be “moisturized”. i also did not wash my hair very frequently . so i think the no oil and butter message is for people like me who had absolutely no idea what they were doing and why . the real essence of styling hair whether it’s a wash and go or a twisted up do or a protective style is to wash, condition, and style . and with whatever style i do in the future since i am a wash and go girl right now - i will forever apply that process . i would always skip the wash but that’s such an important part !
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This was really informative. If that’s the case I can definitely see the benefits of abstaining from oils and butters. Can I ask what do you do instead of using oils and butters now? Do you use a leave in conditioner or does your styling process not involve any leave in products anymore?
@@birdi3beez So like I mentioned before I go to a curl specialist and do whatever she tells me to do 😂 because it’s clear I cannot be trusted and I have fine hair and it’s very delicate so I be trying my hardest not to upset her. So as of right now since oils and butters are not stylers and I understand softness does not equate to hydration for me - I use a shampoo, conditioner, and two styling gels to style my wash and go. And that’s it until the next wash day. I have nothing against leave in conditioners or moisturizers I just personally do not use them because I’m following the regimen my stylist gave me!
@@taereecutie97 that’s really helpful. Thanks for answering. I appreciate it😊
@@taereecutie97do you deep condition ?
I think it’s interesting that they’re saying the hair has to be detoxed from using oils and that it goes through withdrawals.
Hahaha! the idea of a hair detox is too funny. 30 days mind you!
@@travelgirl7967 It is. 🤦🏽♀️
“Withdrawals”. 🙄😂🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Afro: Somebody give me a hit! A drop! Please! Is it really cold in here or is it me? 🥶🙄 I need product or my hair gets dry and gets fairy knots.😭
@@purplepheasant4776 🤣🤣🤣💀
I love butters too. I love how you took care of your hair when you were twisting it. Wish you were in TEXAS...DFW area
Somebody else also made he observation that many of the people who do this wear wash n go's exclusively. Someone also said that a lot of them go very long periods of time without washing their hair or co wash mostly. I wash my hair weekly the most part and oils and butters have been working real well for me. I never have buildup, never have an itchy scalp and my hair is not dry. My kinky type 4 hair is very defined and uniform. Not to mention, I HATE gel, and I hate wash n go's. What I don't like is how a lot of these "stylists" keep aggressively pushing it on us all of a sudden. They need to explain how so many are thriving with the use of the oils and butters then?
This is the perfect example of how their information gets twisted. Most of those things aren't true. They never suggest co-washing unless it is for a very specific reason....notice I said a.....and they emphasize washing with shampoo and conditioner every 7-10 days as your basic routine.
They also say don't use RAW oils and butters on the hair. They emphasized that for the detox which lasts for 30 days as people often use inferior products incorrectly and too much of it. It is to reset the hair. The products they suggest that people use already have the oils/butters in them, so their point is using raw oils causes certain results in the hair, and why use them if you are purchasing a high-quality product that already has them in them. In their eyes, the product has a job to do, and if you are going to spend money on the product, it should be able to the job it's supposed to do, if you have to add steps, or things daily/restyling, not only are you wasting your money, you are also wasting your time. 🤷🏾♀️ Also their style of choice is the WNG. Their advice is for WNG. I have been doing this now for over a year and a half. It's not a trend, as most people think it is basic hair care routine. They have been doing this for years, before YT was a thing. The fact that people are now ‘discovering it’ and discovering it incorrectly I might add, just leads to how misinformation is prevalent in these internet streets.
Their advice is very simple:
Shampoo and Condition and style every 7-10 days
Use high-quality products
Technique matters
Learn how to apply the product correctly
Be consistent.
Go to the true source first before doing anything else.
@@renhypen Then that is fine if that is what works for THEIR hair. Telling people they are doing it wrong is what turns people off as well as being untrue. This still doesn't explain how some of us thrive using raw oils and butters. I diy a lot of stuff as well as buy ready made stuff. If you wear wng's this might be for you but like I said, a lot of us don't. Also some of us do not like gel.
@@Notagain44 OK, true like I said they do WNG, they gear their advice to their clients who do WNG, that's what I mean about misinformation, if you don't do WNG, do whatever works for your style. There are many different stylists, they have different strengths, I don't compare a WNG stylist to a stylist that does Silk Press or to one who is a colorist. Again we need to recognize where the information is geared towards and if it doesn't concern your life then it's ok to move on. 🤷🏾♀️ if people take the information and twist it, that's their doing, not the people who created the content. It's up to us to figure it out.
@@renhypen 💯💯💯💯💯. Yes definitely not a trend. I worked with a girl who only shampooed and conditioned. This was years ago.
Thank you, for making this video. Folks out here arguing over this mess and it's nice to get a Professional opinion.
I've seen the video's of the "natural hair stylists" that you are most likely speaking about. I don't listen to them because my hair love oils. I don't use butters because it never really did anything for my hair but make my scalp itch. LOL But making my own oil with essential oils and other ingredients have grown my hair exponentially in this last year along with proper trims and protective styling. The thing that turned me off of those stylist was that they don't want you to straighten your hair. I love the versatility of my hair. I straighten, and do my curly styles. So I do what my hair likes and that's low manipulation. As long as I don't do too much to it too often, it's happy and healthy. When you know what's best for your own hair, keep doing that.
And I’m not blown over by the hairstyles they do. The same bob on everybody.
@@rachelk4914 exactly!
I just saw a post on Instagram about how getting your hair cut while straight can jack up the shape when you wear it curly. Now that was a new one on me LOL I personally trim my own hair when it’s straight and my hair isn’t jacked up. I want a cut I can wear both straight or curly.
@@rachelk4914 😩😂 to be fair on their website they explain they keep the hairstyles streamlined to focus on helping people master the whole concept then they can go off and will be able to do other styles once they’ve mastered the theory. As to the bob length keep in mind hair shrinks also most volunteers/clients going in to see them have just started the journey so don’t have super long length yet.
Thanks for explaining this topic, Narada. I was confused because no one was talking about what to use in place of butters and oils to help retain moisture. Butters and oils are in almost every natural hair care product.
Your professionalism is greatly appreciated. There are no magic fixes, no one size fits all
You’re right about oils and grease. I use what my hair likes. My hair LOVES grapeseed oil and almond oil (hates coconut oil). I’ve never been able to use butters because my hair hates plant proteins, but for some people, butters work very well on their hair because it can handle the protein. Not my hair. I’ll be bald in no time if I put protein on my hair like that because protein damages my hair and makes it dry and frizzy. My natural hair also LOVES my alcohol-free bergamot hair grease (always has) because my grease seals in moisture for my hair like “magic”, but my oils don’t seal at all though. My grapeseed oil does give my hair nice shine which is why I like it for my twists. My almond oil softens my hair and a little goes a long way. I don’t do wash and gos because my hair is too long and I don’t have the tiiiime to be in the shower that long pulling through my strands with umpteen different products. If I ever do a wash and go, I won’t use my oils though because the style will be different. I put my natural hair up in twists and in a top bun for two weeks, that’s my go-to. Not doing my hair every week. My natural hair is growing like a weed and is thriving (because I don’t have my fingers in it all the time) and I’m not jumping on some one-size-fits-all paddy wagon; it’s too restrictive. When I started seeing videos about no oils no butters, I was like: Here we go with this “ it works for everybody” mess again. Nah, I’ll just watch from the sidelines. Do what works for you, is my motto.
Kudos to your informed and balanced response!!! I have always had a lot of regard and respect for your perspective!!!
I personally don’t need oils/butters on my hair. I’m a very low maintenance natural. I shampoo,deep condition, style with gel, and I’m done.
This is a good. Yes, I really do believe we can be heavy handed with the oils and butters. I am choosing to let the oils and butters go to see if it will actually help. I usually do wash and go’s so it may work out. One thing I will say I have learned so far is how important clarifying your hair is. Thanks for sharing!
New subbie here. My mother used hair grease in our hair and our mane was the envy of everyone.
On point! You don’t need to bash other people’s ideas, just because you don’t necessarily agree with! the spectrum is wide and the world is not just black or just white. You’ve nailed it! Thank you Narada!
I’ve been using Shea butter on my hair for years, it’s helped my hair grow so much. It makes my hair soft, stretches out my shrinkage, helps me detangle my hair, and seals in moisture for my long term protective styles. Because it does so much, shea butter also helps me keep my hair routine minimal, and it’s one of only 3 products that I use and have been using for the last 5 years.
I think oils and butters are a necessity for thick type 4 hair growth. If you’re happy with your current length, your hair is type 3 or looser, or is lacking density, do you. Otherwise, you’re doing yourself a disservice.
For now, I just oil my scalp after washing my hair and I seal my ends with a butter. I still pre-poo with oil since I like massaging my hair with my homemade oil.
Your clients hair speaks for itself, yes!💜💜
I appreciate the time you made in this video to clear things up for those in the NHC. Thanks for sharing your perspective on the use of oils and butters, etc. 💯💕👏🏾
I tried it about a year ago cause I was out of town and didn't have oil near by to seal my hair after the styler. My hair was crispy and fried. I have to pass on this.
The same here !!
Our hair is dry and prone to breakage because the kinks/coils do not allow our natural oil (sebum) to travel down our hair shaft so it makes more sense that it would be ok to use oils that are similar in composition to our natural oil (sebum).
I appreciate your perspective on this. Ever since this trend started, I’ve had to listen to my sister tell me I need to stop using oils and butters because she saw some hair stylists on Twitter that made a thread about how they’re not good for my hair and blah blah blah. Chile, I’m just gonna send her your video to shut her ass up.
Hey Narada, I just rewatched an old wash n go video you did. You used elasta q p hair cream on your client and it looked absolutely beautiful. I’m all for a wash and go that lasts 2 weeks💜💜
Yep I use that on hair that is more naturally defined. They don't need the extra crunch or drying effects of gel. Hair like that just needs some assistance in clumping and soft hold to keep the curls in place.
Thanks for such a common sense approach to NH that considers individual choices and reinforcing importance to shampoo, conditioning and not overdoing styling products.
Could you give please give some examples of botanical stylers for WNG or protective style?
Examples include Kinky Custard, Uncle Funkys Curly Magic, Obia Curl Enhancing Custard, Camille Rose (the pink bottle gel), etc.
You can also make yours, e.g Aloe Vera or Flaxseed gel however, you have to use it at once or put preservative.
Mr Narada, I prefer the old school term HAIR DRESSER. I don't want a hair stylist, unless I get micro braids or the like. I agree with you on being able to do more with natural hair than a defined curl look. For me I would go to a Natural Hair Professional just for the health of it, including trims.
Great video. I’m fully grey now, and natural without butters and oils my roots and strands would loc. I wash my hair at least once a week and make my own aloe and flaxseed gel. No breakage now. I did use a wooden brush on my hair, which ripped out my hair from nape to front and I had de tangled before brushing it. The brush felt like my scalp was being massaged but the hair loss I experienced ….YIKES I use a clarifying shampoo as needed. When I tried sulphur 8 to regrow my hair it made my scalp itch so bad I had to wash it out🥹
I wear wash n go’s a lot. I use oils on my hair with my wash and go. I typically make it my last step after I apply the styler. I try my best not to be excessive b:c I don’t want my hair looking greasy. But it’s definitely something Unique to each person. But you gotta have a regular wash routine to keep your hair and scalp clean
I wash n style weekly(Anthony Dickey Method), or twist/braid.
I use five drops of my grapeseed oil after my wash n go is ready, and Camille Aloe Butter Gel for Braid/Twist and that's all.
This has helped my hair retain its health ever since.
Africanhairgod, I salute your intelligence. Thanks for your knowledge.
For those of us with seborrheic dermatitis, we didn't have a choice when it came to oil/butter/grease/pomade avoidance, since they caused aggressive flare ups. I'd say that there is a lot of truth behind the information they provide. I also feel like they use that truth to mask the pseudoscience they pepper in at times (the use of the word "detox" is always a dead giveaway). I personally feel like their dismissive, and at times antagonistic approach to engagement is all marketing. They know people associate that kind of delivery with being an "authority" on a subject. It would explain why their most diehard advocates are almost cultish with their online engagement. But, I'll say I am in support of their "wash your damn hair" messaging. People do really gross things in the name of "not stripping" their hair lol
You're right about their antagonistic approach. That's why I love Embrace Natural Beauty, she shared the same "wash, condition, style" on here for at least 8 years now. And she's so graceful with it. None of that know-it-all vibe these other ones be on.
I have seborrheic dermatitis too. I use oils lightly (2x/week). My flare ups seem to be based on nutrition (i.e. excess sugar). It's a journey. But yes, wash regularly.
This is the first video I’ve seen on this subject that makes SENSE! 😂 Thank you because I was definitely giving a side on on this subject.
I am waiting to take state board now and i really appreciate you and what you do.
Good luck with your exam. You got this! 👍
I'm pretty much a wash n go girl as it fits my active lifestyle better. My hair has benefited from a simple botanically based regimen.
I miss videos from you! This was great to listen to. I think the other sub-topics are worth exploring too so people can better understand.
Thanks for this. It was nice to hear rational, balanced thoughts about using no oils/butters.
You made me side-eye myself because I use two gels, a botanical gel and Wetline. I did this waaaaay before the no oils/butters became a thing. No real reason…it just made sense to me. I will try to skip the botanical gel and see how my hair responds. You may have just saved me some money!
If it works for you, you can use it, I tend to substitute a mousse of Setting lotion when I need to add a product for some extra hold
Same!!!
Narada, thank-you for sharing your perspective.