You keep talking about the Perez Sponsorship money. But they can just put Pato O'ward in the Red Bull and keep all that Mexican Money and have a faster driver to boot. And Pato is sure to have an F1 escape Clause.
I dont know whats worse, starting from the back of the grid due to massive quali failure and finishing midfield OR staring near the front of the grid and finishing midfield.
I think the latter is worse. Because starting from the back would mean that there's less hope. So finishing in the midfield is okay enough. But falling to the midfield when you had a chance of fighting at the front? That's bad...
Starting near the front, at least if you come from the back you are showing some ability, if you are getting passed by significantly slower cars in the same equipment that your team-mate was working forwards in.... it's not a good look.
Either way, you're driving a car that is purpose built for your teammate and not you. Either way, you have to drive on the razor's edge to get any points because your teammate has a wonky driving style, making your car practically un-driveable. Either way, your team has leaned into building a wonky car for your teammate more than ever because they no longer have the best power unit. No one would succeed in that seat right now.
Honestly, I wished they dropped him, or announced that he's not staying for 2025, then give him an opportunity to sign with another team to rebuild his career and reputation. The Force India days were proof that Checo isn't simply just an average "pay driver". So it's just torture to see him continue in Red Bull.
Is there a possibility that this was BS like they said gasly won’t be leaving and then ended up dropping him anyway? In an attempt to get the attention and media off to think more?
@@tunji4xi mean they DO have the contractual right to drop him when they want, if we can believe the performance clauses that have been discussed over the media...
Carlos slim. And if he wants checo to stay, and has a contract, he’s a dangerous man to cross if you want to sell anything in Latin America. The man owns so much, he could be a huge hindrance to redbull anywhere his empire touches.
Points since Mercedes' resurgence in Canada made things a 3/4-way fight at the front: Verstappen: 108 Perez: 24 Leclerc: 39 Sainz: 54 Hamilton: 108 Russell: 62 Norris: 87 Piastri: 94 Red Bull: 132 Ferrari: 93 Mercedes: 170 McLaren: 181 Red Bull keeping Checo is looking like madness.
That's because it is madness. Christian Hornier is doubling down on his decisions whilst behind the scenes things are cracking apart at RBR: Newey leaves, Jos banned from the garage, Max swearing and throwing tantrums + Merc trying to poach him, oh and the Horniergate scandal is still unresolved of course... ...All this means principle Hornier is expressing more and more of his 'controlling behaviour'...
@@littleclum Jos isn't banned at all, he's just out rallying most weekends nowadays which coincides with F1. Seen him at plenty of races in the garage this year.
Who got P2 in the 2024 WDC? How much of Checo's statistical, poor performance over the last 8 races this season, was caused by the Red Bull teams poor strategy choices & car setup?
Checo isn’t doing any worse than last year, he’s just as good (or bad). The difference is now that the Redbull is not dominant anymore and the pack is really close. He could have been 0.5 seconds behind in pace to Max and still be P2, now he does that and he ends up P8. A lot of the people who criticized Checo’s performance, made this exact point. Yeah they got away with it last year but that was only because the car was so dominant.
I think this is Horner protecting himself internally. Checo is a Horner guy. Ricciardo is a Horner guy. Max, Yuki and Lawson are Marko guys. Even with the backing of the majority Thai ownership, Horner still has to be surrounded by guys loyal to Marko/Austrian contingient of Red Bull every day. I think he's just trying to keep as many 'soldiers' in his corner as possilbe until the end of the year. If they bin off Checo for Ricciardo, that's one less Horner guy around. If they bin off Checo for Yuki, that's 2 Marko guys in RBR and Horner loses some influence. This is about their internal power struggle, 'truce' or not. Marko got that contract extension a little bit ago, and I think he's a little emboldened by that.
I don't believe it is. I honestly think it's all about money and that this went above the team. Checo brings in a lot of sponsorship and merch money. Red Bull also sell a lot of cans in Mexico and South America because of him. He and the team also has deals with Disney for various programs. I think corporate saw that sponsorship/merch/disney money and decided it's worth keeping him, especially with the amount of money and product they can move around the time of the Mexican GP. It'd be more than enough to offset the cost of losing the WCC.
You couldn't be more wrong, Verstappen's were told after SPA Checo was gone. Liberty Media saved his career due to their fear of revenue loss in Mexico, so threw RBR enough cash to offset the loss of income for the WCC 2nd position.
9:24 Max isn't bothered about the Constructors Championship either, only his own drivers title. It's Horner's job to prioritize the Constructors and he is failing in this respect.
Such a petty response. Finished second in driver championship last year. Just Qualified 2nd at spa..they have put way more engines and parts on Max car than Checos. At spa Checo had to swap positions with Max which results in a 8th place finish over a 5th. The car is a
Seriously, what is the damn point of the performance clause then if he is still keeping his seat regardless? In the case of Checo, the dude (hopefully) better improve after the summer break. If he doesn't then yeah, congratulations to McLaren.
@@therealBocaStudios bro, he barely held on to the 2nd place, nothing to boast about. tbf its embarasing that he was fighting for his place while max was 100+ points ahead. Qualified 2nd... yeah, and from that glorious position he overtook everyone right into p8. while max, starting p10 did P5. The car is not fast enough, but its fast and perez clearly cannot extract the performance.
@@DenUitvreter Bottas was a great driver, he never qualified out of Q3 in his Mercedes run, he was driving in autopilot in 2021 and Checo couldn't beat him
@@Jorge.Painkiller The Mercedes was the most supreme car for by far the longest time in the history of F1. Would be embarrassing or an error to get to Q3.
I heard someone’s theory that i agree with. Danny was happy all weekend, beside subpar performance so he may have a promise for 2025 (not in writing) and that red bull are going to see checo through the year so he can retire at mexico. It will look less like he was fired and more that he chose to leave and that would smooth over better with the mexican fanbase. This would let Danny and lawson do full seasons next year at RBR and Vcarb respectively
I honestly really hope that he does well at the Mexican GP. I’ve been rooting for him since Racing Point. And, I hope that he does retire afterwards. Or, at least takes a break and returns at a different team. RB is clearly just not a good fit for him.
Why does everybody think that changing the driver mid season is the right thing to do?! This is not a rookie replacement like it was at Alpha Tauri. Do you really think Ric would do better? I doubt that. Can't you see it's a problem with the car? Even Max struggles to keep up with the frontrunners. We don't have all the inside information so speculating is in vain. Just enjoy the races and let fate decide who the winners of this season will be.
The problem is Red Bull has very few individuals it can replace Checo with. Its clear they don't want Tsunoda in the car next to Max and he'll be gone after the Honda partnership is up, Riccardo is probably gone after this season to make way for Lawson, and Lawson himself probably needs a full season to see if he's ready for the main team. Now Carlos Sainz has signed for Williams, there really isn't anyone outside of the Red Bull program worth signing (and also Sainz and his family had their own complicated problems with Jos Verstappen, which made a Red Bull return for him unlike). Checo is probably safe for the first half of 2025, which could be really bad for Red Bull if he doesn't get his act together.
That makes absolutely no sense. Lawson needs several seasons before he could even think of getting into the RB next to Max. Ricciardo is a straight upgrade to Checo and so is Yuki. Getting rid of Checo and throwing Ricciardo in there (who has the same driving style and car handling preferences as Max) for half a season opens up a seat in VCARB to put Lawson in. It also allows them to evaluate Ricciardo for half a season.
If DR is gone he will be replaced by Hadjar. Horner has made it clear he wants to see Hadjar in the car next year. Lawson won;t get a seat at Red Bull. It's not in Honers thinking.
It's disappointing that Checo hasn't been replaced yet, but I'm not thrilled about the idea of Danny taking his seat either. He hasn't outperformed in AlphaTauri, so what good would he do in a Red Bull? I'd much rather see someone like Liam, Yuki, or any other promising junior driver get that opportunity. They deserve a shot at proving their potential in a top-tier team.
Dependable over Yuki or Liam? That's might be a bit of a stretch mate.... One is literally ahead of him in the points right now, the other hasn't even been pitted against him and got his chance.
Riccardo is at the tail of his career, you want a young driver to get his butt kicked in a car that’s hard to drive and can barely get 2nd-5th place with the best driver on the grid?
How anybody thinks Daniel is the “obvious choice” is beyond me. The advantage Daniel has over Yuki or Liam is that he would manage the relationship with Max the best, and he could adapt to the new environment faster since he’s been there. The problem is, then you should just stick with Checo, and I think that’s exactly what they did. To be honest, whilst it would have been interesting to see Yuki or Liam in that seat, ultimately promoting either half way thru the season would have been really tough, so I’m actually happy it didn’t happen.
Max literally said "Redbull needs to worry about fixing their car instead of worrying about Checo" what happens when you put another driver in that car and it ruins someone else's confidence? You think Danny can drive the car better than Max? You think Liam can deal with an unstable car? You all are crazy lol
I think it's sad that in 3-4 years of dominance, Red Bull will only win 2 constructors championships. I also feel bad for Alex Albon and Pierre Gasly, they were dropped much quicker for better performances.
The thing is that replacing Sergio isn't a guarantee that the constructors will be won. It might work, but it might be the same (or worse). Is it worth trying and avoiding all of the chaos? Perhaps.
I saw this take online, but I'll echo the sentiment: Red Bull in the 2020s have morphed into the modern equivalent of Benetton in the Early to Mid 1990s. They have a tendency to make cars that are fast but tricky to drive at the limit, they have a once-in-a-generation driver leading the team and getting the absolute maximum out of the car most of the time and while the second driver is good enough to be on the grid, they can't get anywhere near the pace of the team leader and get thrashed in the press and by fans as a result. Checo needs to get his ish together though; I could easily see him out of F1 by next year at this rate.
I am honestly rooting for Red Bull to fall to 4th in the WCC at this point. They deserve it. I really hope that Merc and Ferrari can both jump Red Bull along with McLaren.
Anyone you put in that seat will try to compete with Max, causing more turbulence. People really believe Danny Ric or Liam will just fall in line. Everyone is chasing the championship.
While I do entirely agree that Checco's performance has been woeful, I do think that we as fans do need to acknowledge that we aren't in the closed door meetings. We don't really know if there's something else we aren't aware of that's either causing Checco's performance issue, or leading the team to keep him around.
I feel bad for Perez. He used to be such a good driver but the constant hate he got. Last year every time Redbull was interviewed it wasnt often about how fast Max is or anything but about when will they replace Perez and I think all that negative attention realy made him unconfident enough to make him perform so poorly. Its such a shame he fell off so badly, I just want him to perform good again
Sorry, I can’t recall this alternate reality you speak of where Perez was good… he was average at best. F1 level average, so better then near mortals but in the scheme of those on the f1 grid, he’s average.
@@Pilch9 He was better than Hulkenberg, Stroll, Ocon, Kobayashi. In terms of raw speed he was on the level of Button. Perhaps those above are all average?
I think the main problem is a combination of factors. 1 Max is faster. Makes us all think he is worst driver than he his. 2. to much bad pressure from the team. 3 the media are like vampires around him. To much depreciative comments. 4. Driving a car developed for Max. Perez never liked a car with a strong front end. All those factors together make things worse. You lose your self confidence. Began to doubt about everything. As Montoya said about Ralf. Once I began to beat him he started to doubt about his skills, the the downfall began.
You should make another video about Norris soon. Although people are hyping him up for a drivers championship this or next year I don’t think he’s ready. In clear air Lando has been great but wheel to wheel he is not ready, if or if not he was fighting max. He has been terrible in race starts and has consistently left the door wide open (China sprint, Austria Sprint, Spain, UK and Hungary). People are quick to jump on Max’s radio messages and call him a crybaby but Lando has done the same thing. Specifically in Hungary he tried blackmailing his team by pushing his car when he was told not to while crying on the radio for the whole race, and then barely celebrating with Oscar. It was childish from him and if it were anyone else who did the things he has done this season they would be the most hated driver. Like his engineer said championships require teams and if he pulls stunts like Hungary again Oscar might not help him anymore. Oscar is quickly catching up to him in just his second year as an f1 driver. He has all but solved his tyre wear, is extremely calm and is willing to do what ever the team says, even letting his teammate past to the podium in his home race. I would definitely say Oscar is a better chance at being the first of them to win a championship
I think people get it wrong, Red Bull needs time on the wind tunnel and CFD, so, it's obvious that they don't mind loosing points. There is also the deal with oracle, Red Bull will be a good marketing whatever if they are first or third.
Money Checo brings in is worth more than the prize money difference between 1st & 2nd in constructors. Also being 2nd is more development resources. Redbull is not a car company. Since they are not selling cars, constructors is nice to have but not mandatory. Max winning championship is worth more. This is most likely the business driven logic here. No emotion involved which honestly fits RBs historic choices.
As much as i believe he doesn't deserve his seat, dropping him now would be senseless, for multiple reasons. -Lack of an adequate sub. That is the main one, Ricciardo gives no guarantee whatsoever and has not earned a second chance in the team as he is overall out-performed by Tsunoda, while the latter is everything but impressive (i mean, sure, he is now a solid midfield driver, but he's not even remotely close from being a competitive top team driver, even as a n°2). Lawson is a reflexy driver and needs more time, high risks of being a Gasly/Albon. -Next tracks are mostly tracks that fits Pérez's. Monza and Singapore puts an emphasis on good throttle application and right amount of rear load, particularly the latter with 90 degrees corners, which is Pérez's main strength.
Red Bull could swap drivers like Gasly, Albon, Kviyat, and even Verstappen as they were young drivers, part of the RB process, and dependent on them. On the other hand, as you said, Checo brings £30 million quid with him. Does anyone think those sponsors would have stuck around if RB dropped Checo mid season? Does anyone realistically think Red Bull would just be able to casually fix that £30 million quid in their budget? Anyone thinking that Perez was ever going anywhere had clearly just bought into the absolute nonsense in the media. Furthermore, if he does not perform well at Azerbaijan, a circuit which he rules at (as was said in the video), then that's a reflection on how poor the Red Bull has become, not on Perez.
Umm that 30 million is already promosed for 2024 via contracts likely. Very rare a sponsor can go 1/2way thru season then decide to pull funding unless they fail. The real benefit to checo isnt 30million its his marketing value and sales of Rbr stuff in central america
But it IS the car. It hates kerbs, it can't turn, it manages to be both oversteery and understeery, plus it's not the fastest on the straight line speed anymore. Max is an incredible driver, but if even he can't win the last 4 races, how can Checo do as well? The car's now the 3rd, if not the 4th fastest on the grid. I've seen Checo defend against Lewis and Fernando and he used to be able to do that with ease but this car just isn't doing it.
The RB car is built specifically for Max. They've leaned into that even more because they no longer have the best power unit. Checo can get a good qualifying time in the car by living on the razor's edge, but he can't keep it up for an entire race. No one can but Max, because it's his car. Putting any other driver in THAT car right now would yield similar results imo.
It's not Max' car, it's designed to be fast. That just happens to be what Max prefers, a fast car. The mere fact you can't even grasp this basic nuance shows how little clue a casual like you has about F1 as a sport. And then there are four more casuals liking this utter BS, simply staggering.
@EntropicExergy You sound mature, level-headed, and knowledgeable about F1. "It's designed to be fast.." The Red Bull car has an incredibly tight front end specifically catered to Max's driving style. The front end is tweaked to be tighter throughout each season. Most F1 drivers prefer a loose front end with a tight backend. Max is the opposite, and the Red Bull car is built to fit Max's driving style. It's the equivalent of playing a video game with all sensitivity settings set to maximum. As you so eloquently put it, anyone with any knowledge of F1 already knows this as it's been openly talked about by former teammates of Max for years now. In terms of your other comment, "it's the way to build the fastest car." No, it's not. It's just a driving style preference.
@@vanillatornado8390 Yes i do sound that way, since i actually know how it's not just a preference. If you knew even the most basic things about physics, you'd know oversteer is generally the fastest way to go around a lap. Since physics dictates everything, including F1, you'd know that it's not just a preference, it is absolutely essential to being the fastest. Unless you have a cheat of an engine, like merc had, and no competitor, it is rather irrelevant. But in a tight field, it's things like this and stuff like skill level allowing you to handle oversteery cars, that makes the actual difference. But hey, if you think of it as some simple game where physics has no say in things, sure, you'd sound real knowledgeable and mature. In your own mind that is.
That quote at 6:48..... weird. Aren't all 4 RB drivers (Max, Checo, Daniel, Yuki) "red bull racing drivers"? Isn't that how they moved them around so freely previously? That everyone driving for the main or the sister team is actually under the same org? For me that quote could still see them putting Checo into the RB, and "see him perform on circuits where he has done well before, after the summer break" To which you can say "but why would checo take that demotion", which is fair, but if he does indeed have break clauses that could be activated, he has 2 options: accept the demotion or get sacked during the summer break. Red bull isn't struggling with drivers, checo knows that he does not hold any cards. If he does not accept the demotion, redbull can just put Lawson into the 4th car and decide whom to put into which seat.
That is what I was wondering as well, I am not exactly sure these days of the arrangements but the drivers were all paid by Red Bull so technically they are all Red Bull drivers. I am not sure if that was Horner being slightly sneaky with the statement or not.
IIRC Max has a special contract that is _only_ with the top team. Everyone else has a contract that allows them to be moved around. But yes, the quote from Christian is opaque, probably deliberately so.
@@leoarevalo6786 that only matters in "loaned-out" driver situations, for example russell was a mercedes driver loaned out to williams. Checo is a red bull driver, contracted and paid by redbull, same as the other 3
2:22 Hah, thanks for reminding me. I keep a fancy spreadsheet as well with the standings, race finishes, points, podiums, fastest lap, inter-team duels etc., but also their average finishing position (minus DNF), and you made me remember that i hadn't updated the averages yet, which i had done now after i paused the video here. It's kinda funny that i only last year discovered that i apparently really like making and keeping spreadsheets, i also have one for my game collection, it's nice to add the cover art and console icons etc.
Possibly controversial take but maybe Sergio’s Racing Point results weren’t actually that impressive. If Max was his teammate at Racing Point instead of Lance, then maybe Sergio’s results would have been subpar and not spectacular
Yeah who knows, the 2020 RP might have been just a few hundredths off of the 2020 Merc in real pace, but neither Lance nor Sergio could extract that much out of it.
Hello law, I missed the recent live and wanted to ask you if you think Williams have something up their sleeve with Carlos signing now. Like some guy named Adrian or something joining engineering? Or is this just a weak stopover for Carlos career? Thanks!
As a Mclaren fanboy I'm all for him staying. lol I can see why Horner wants Checho to stay despite lackluster performances. 1) He is 100% loyal to Horner and not Marko, 2) he brings a cashload of sponsors 3) he is no threat to max so less chances of both DNF during races and teammate drama.
It's crazy how many Last Chances Checo has had at this point, and Red Bull keeps handing them out. I think they took the criticism that they kick out drivers too harshly over low performance (Gasly, Albon) a bit too seriously, to the point even as obvious a case as Checo is going unnoticed.
People's mistake is that people think that these boy's clubs are thinking about the sport. No they're not. They're thinking in terms of politics. Of who knows who and what that who brings to the table. Perez brings the attention of South America. And their money. Guaranteed. Sure without Check, they might still get the money, because they think the fanbase is strong there. But they don't know. And in the world of Boy's Clubs, that's not good enough. So team chances be damned, money talks and checo talks in South America.
Yeah I agree with what you said there about if Checo can't perform in Baku. Singapore as well tbh, imo the Baku-Singapore double header is probably gonna be the most important races of the remaining races for Checo
Q: How did RB go from starting the season looking like a repeat of 2023 to where they are now? A: Well it's hard to blame Checo for that. Q: Why did Adrian Newey leave Red Bull? A: Well it's hard to blame Checo for that. Q: Why isn't Max winning A: Well it's hard to blame Checo for that? Q: Why is everyone blaming Checo then? A: Because it's easier to blame Checo than to face the reality that RB needs to fix the car and they lost the designer who no longer appears in the paddock with his notebook and pencil to tell them what they might or might not change. This is going to be a long term problem for RB
This is all about money and although the team will get a large amount of money by winning the championship but they will and continue making loads with merchandise sales in that part of the world. If RB brings in a replacement there is no guarantee they will win the championship nor will this person brings in more sponsors or increase merchandise sales.
It’s funny how the betting odds moved a lot & McLaren became bigger favourites after Checo was announced to continue. So fans & people putting their money down think anyone would do a better job than Sergio right now.
its probably also worth mentioning there were very similar notes coming from Red Bull back in 2019 when it came to Gaslys seat and we all know how that ended up.
I have a buddy that I shared one of your videos with the "Foam of Doubt" in it and I had to explain it to him. So I thought I'd let you know, so that you could periodically incorporate what the "Foam of Doubt" is all about, so that newer viewers understand what it means. Just a suggestion.
4:07 I've watched F1 for a while now and think it's starting to look fake, but I enjoyed it. Keep doing a great job especially that live thing after d races.
Sponsorship money is a major factor why teams keep or release certain drivers and he’s shown enough he can do better if given the right car and right now he’s not getting that. Max himself has struggled with it in recent races as well.
The thing with spa was the car was set up for higher down fourse because of the rain in qualifying you can really see that in the speed traphe was a lot slower than others because of the drag that it had
I’m a big Gasly supporter. And when he got dropped from Red Bull I was pretty upset. To this day I still think he would’ve improved in that seat. I’m even more pissed now. Why couldn’t they give Gasly half the leash they are giving Checo? I know he has a lot of financial backing but Gasly is just a flat out more consistent driver imo. Ugh.
Gasly tried to tell Newey how to design and build a car. Wonder what would happen to you if you told the CEO of your company (technically CTO since that was what Newey is) with the kind of tact Gasly had. My guess is you get to pack your stuff first thing next morning, since they'd kick you out straight away. Gasly brought that all on himself, he was lucky they'd let him stay at AT.
These are drivers dropped mid season from a reasonable team since 1991. In order- Moreno for Schumacher (Jordan), Frentzen for Alesi (Jordan), Trulli for Villeneuve (Renault, and that went amazingly badly), Kyvat for Verstappen (Torro Rosso), Palmer for Sainz (Renault), Gasly for Albon (RBR), De Vries for Riccardo (AT). 3 for the 7 are in the Red Bull family and by comparison fairly recently. (I'm excluding teams like Super Aguri because they had revolving doors into the garage opened and closed with cash) If you have to sack a driver half way through a year then probably you shouldn't have signed them in the first place, Helmut.
Horner is really destroying the team. Neither Perez nor Ricciardo should be in contention for that second RB Seat with the performance they have shown this season.
There was no reason to replace Bottas who won the Constructors. Lewis subtly compared Albon and Gasly to Kovalainen in 2019-2020 and pointed out how much closer Valtteri was to him than his fellow Finn.
I have several theories. 1 - Red Bull want to appear stable and united after all the drama at the start of the year. 2 - Horner wants Ricciardo in the car and Marko wants Lawson and neither is willing to concede. 3 - They have actually decided to drop Checo but are not ready to announce it yet. 4 - They have convinced Checo to retire 'on his own terms' at the end of the year. 5 - They have told him it will be race by race after the break. 6 - There is a real concern that Max will jump ship to Mercedes in which case they will want both Checo and Daniel for 2025.
One element to Perez decision is the sales of Red Bull in Mexico. I live in Mexico and Red Bull is a major beverage here ( billions). Much more financially significant than the F1 championship
Regarding Checo, the most important information that you are missing is Checo's 'on track' racing telemetry analysis where Checo's overall performance is clearly identified. Yes!!!! Checo has a shocking Q1 exits this season, which has hidden his full potential from all F1 fans........ but ........... in Belgium, the Red Ball knew that Checo had a major car balance problem that damaged his tires so badly that Checo could not challenge for the lead or maintain his position. As proof of Checo's capability, he got the fastest race day lap time.
I still hold to my opinion after spending time in the paddock over the weekend that the RB and VCARB seats have been sorted and I get the feeling RB and Perez have come to a agreement where he can step aside in a more graceful way than being dumped. The constructors championship is where the team gets prize money and RB staff get quite a healthy bonus if they win it so I am sure RB staff will be unhappy with Horner playing Russian Roulette with the constructors title and should things get much closer I think we will see a change rather than it being made at the end of the season.
Realistically the question is whether Perez is going to do a better job in the second Red Bull than any other driver. Ricciardo has the best chance (imo) to be able to hit the ground in the main RB team running, and it's probably a complete toss-up as to whether Ricciardo or Perez will do better in that seat. Perez is off form, but Ricciardo won't have the feel for the MaxMobile that is Red Bull's car that Perez does have.
When there wasn't a challenge from other teams to fight Red Bull after 2021, Checo was not doing enough in comparison to Max and I have always said when other teams started to rise up, Checo would get caught with his pants down unless he ups his game or Red Bull drop him. Checo is not at his peak anymore and this will cost Red Bull a championship because of it because they refuse to make the hard but right decision.
The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that Checo has experience in both the RB19 and RB20 and RBR think that his feedback is more valuable when trying to fix the kerb problem. Nothing else makes sense. I don't think that a team with RedBull behind them (a company with 12bil in revenue last year) would rly *need* the money this badly. It would also make sense that Ricciardo would have a deal with Marko for next year with a presumably quite different car.
French media reported yesterday that Liberty Media would have asked Red Bull not to drop Perez during the summer break, because it would hurt the attendance at the Mexican GP. No idea if it's true, but maybe the part about "upcoming good tracks" is all BS and they're just holding out until after Mexico.
This whole Checo Red Bull disaster is making me think of what Lewis said about how "loyalty has its limits", how much longer can Red Bull remain loyal to Checo's money? Because let's face it, he's vastly underperforming in relation to Max for most of the season and is likely one of the reasons why the RB20 hasn't been improving, what with him costing them 3.6 million in car repairs according to the destructors championship. Kvyat, Gasly and Albon have been dropped for less, difference being that they didn't bring Red Bull the kind of money that Checo does
So I havent heard anyone bring this up yet. But Max, Checo, Daniel, Yuki and Liam are all Red Bull Racing Drivers. As far as I understand at least. So I wont be surprised if it just means he is dropped to Torro Rosso instead and they use another Red Bull Racing driver in his place. That or Horner is perhaps making a critical judgement error and come the summer break, they announce that he is out together with Sergio and someone else steps up (not Marko or Jos lol, but someone else internally). Helmut is still a employee too I guess.
I dont think checo will get demoted to visa cash app RB because of the loyalty to horner while max is loyal to marko but after 2024 red bull are probably gonna pay the remainder of his 2 year deal and replace him
has anyone checked who can survive staying with Max? Checo is doing a good job and his stay alongside to Max for years is proving he is unusual. i found the comments suggesting a problem but not a solution.
14:39 I like your theory: the extra wind-tunnel time and not to repeat again 2021 are reasons enough to believe that they prefer to keep Checo. Also thinking in the new regulations of 2026? Or for the new regulations all the teams have the same amount of time?
After the summer break we have Zandvoort, Monza, Baku snd Singapore, and after those four races we have another month break so he chould very well be dropped by that point
This is not on Checo. RB just does not have a competitive car and it’s hidden by having Max. Max was able to go from 14th to 1st easily at spa before. Now he was fighting hard from 11th to 5th. The car is a middle of the pack car hidden because we’re still used to the RB dominance of recent.
So where did they say it's his last chance? You say you don't have anything against Checo, your thumbnail and start are similar to those of the hundreds of clickbait channels (ok maybe not that bad but it is moving that way) and not really fair if you don't have anything against him, which is a shame as I know you have more substance (which you do see again later in a video). Yes there are many rumors about Checo being let off and probably last chance calls, but those are not from the team but all these youtube streamer and gossip channels. People always twist the things Marko and Horner say, usually when Marko said something or Horner said something you should actually find the original interview, especially the german translated interviews of Marko are almost certainly selective quoting which paint a very different picture. There is a reason why RB is keeping Checo, I personally think (yes also speculation) it is because they know the car is actually bad now (and ofcourse C3, C3, C2 wasn't a very good choice unless you hope he can catch drivers for Max, not for his own race and battery issues aren't helping either), Checo is willing to make sacrificesto his race to help Max whenever the order comes (and they come, they have happened already this year and not 1 time) and I think Marko likes Checo, Horner likes Checo and he is probably the only driver they can agree upon, so he brings peace inside the team, which I guess they still need. Baku won't be a good one I fear unless they can find balance in that car again, there's a reason why Max is cursing, becoming a road demon again and is critisizing the car left and right, it was build on his style and even he hates it, they went over the edge with the car. Tbh I think Newey leaving caused RB to take a hit so much harder then they are willing to admit.
So if you are having this convo about Checo and surely it deserves some discussion. What about Riccardo? why is he still there with some new talent in the wings that have long term potential. Both have been great drivers and at some point it would be interesting to hear what really happened. Sergio has done well with a lot less than with Redbull. As for Redbull they have been counter productive for several careers
Sergio staying tells me that RBR either want a complaicent 2nd driver who wont interfere, or aren't willing to risk the pr/financial cost of losing Checo. I think that him swapping to VCARB or even taking the second half of the season off would be better than sticking at RBR for everyone involved.
The money he gets for the team obviously covers coming 2nd or 3rd in the team constructors championship, so they could end up better off with more wind tunnel time next year or even better they win it anyway.
You need to be following drivers pretty closely to know what they're dealing with so I'm not going to pile on, I mean from watching others I know 80+% of races in a season can be hugely affected by other factors besides driving performance.
My favorite Mad Max quote "speed is just about money, how fast do you want to go"? F1 has always been about money. If you have money you will solve your speed problems, if you don't your never going to win.
No, I won't be saying that because you're British ... Mercedes, McLaren, and Ferarri don't have Newey and they are beating Red Bull. Newey is a great engineer and has valuable insights. If Red Bull is to be believed, they started the withdrawal of Newey more than a year ago. This means that senior engineers are learning more intense with Newey. It may very well be the case that they started that knowledge sharing trajectory too late. It may very well be that with Newey's insight, some tests are done and tested within 2 days instead of 3. It's not like the current senior engineer is trash. Even Newey himself said that the issues of the current car where there in 2022 and 2023. However, the competitors were so far behind, it masked the issue. My argument is that while Newey has been a critical role in the development of the car, you don't drop to being the 3rd team in 2 or 3 races. This has 80% to do with the competitors improving the car significantly. Yes, the car needs improvements to not fall back entirely. But I think we only start to really see the effects of Newey not being there, when the 2025 season is halfway underway and even more so in 2026. Don't forget, the current issues with the car were there when Newey was still very much active and in the lead.
For RB it certainly is, they don't need the money to begin with. Perez brings it through his sponsors, but even without them, the mother company is loaded with how many cans they sell.
I don't think I've seen a team winning leading the constructors having to rely on an underperforming drivers sponsor money before. This doesn't bode well for the RB powertrains project.
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You keep talking about the Perez Sponsorship money. But they can just put Pato O'ward in the Red Bull and keep all that Mexican Money and have a faster driver to boot. And Pato is sure to have an F1 escape Clause.
I dont know whats worse, starting from the back of the grid due to massive quali failure and finishing midfield OR staring near the front of the grid and finishing midfield.
I know!
I think the latter is worse. Because starting from the back would mean that there's less hope. So finishing in the midfield is okay enough. But falling to the midfield when you had a chance of fighting at the front? That's bad...
Starting near the front, at least if you come from the back you are showing some ability, if you are getting passed by significantly slower cars in the same equipment that your team-mate was working forwards in.... it's not a good look.
Which FAILURE is worse? Does it matter?
Either way, you're driving a car that is purpose built for your teammate and not you. Either way, you have to drive on the razor's edge to get any points because your teammate has a wonky driving style, making your car practically un-driveable. Either way, your team has leaned into building a wonky car for your teammate more than ever because they no longer have the best power unit. No one would succeed in that seat right now.
Honestly, I wished they dropped him, or announced that he's not staying for 2025, then give him an opportunity to sign with another team to rebuild his career and reputation.
The Force India days were proof that Checo isn't simply just an average "pay driver". So it's just torture to see him continue in Red Bull.
He was clearly not a pay driver.🙄
Is there a possibility that this was BS like they said gasly won’t be leaving and then ended up dropping him anyway? In an attempt to get the attention and media off to think more?
@@tunji4xi mean they DO have the contractual right to drop him when they want, if we can believe the performance clauses that have been discussed over the media...
@@davidlynch9049 bro what. he is nothing but a pay driver. the only reason he is in f1 is that he has the entirety of mexico behind him
Carlos slim. And if he wants checo to stay, and has a contract, he’s a dangerous man to cross if you want to sell anything in Latin America. The man owns so much, he could be a huge hindrance to redbull anywhere his empire touches.
Points since Mercedes' resurgence in Canada made things a 3/4-way fight at the front:
Verstappen: 108
Perez: 24
Leclerc: 39
Sainz: 54
Hamilton: 108
Russell: 62
Norris: 87
Piastri: 94
Red Bull: 132
Ferrari: 93
Mercedes: 170
McLaren: 181
Red Bull keeping Checo is looking like madness.
That's because it is madness. Christian Hornier is doubling down on his decisions whilst behind the scenes things are cracking apart at RBR: Newey leaves, Jos banned from the garage, Max swearing and throwing tantrums + Merc trying to poach him, oh and the Horniergate scandal is still unresolved of course...
...All this means principle Hornier is expressing more and more of his 'controlling behaviour'...
@@littleclum Jos isn't banned at all, he's just out rallying most weekends nowadays which coincides with F1. Seen him at plenty of races in the garage this year.
I love since Silverstone there hasn’t been one bad comment anywhere about Hamilton lol
Norris < Piastri < Max = Hamilton
Red Bull
Who got P2 in the 2024 WDC?
How much of Checo's statistical, poor performance over the last 8 races this season, was caused by the Red Bull teams poor strategy choices & car setup?
Checo isn’t doing any worse than last year, he’s just as good (or bad). The difference is now that the Redbull is not dominant anymore and the pack is really close. He could have been 0.5 seconds behind in pace to Max and still be P2, now he does that and he ends up P8.
A lot of the people who criticized Checo’s performance, made this exact point. Yeah they got away with it last year but that was only because the car was so dominant.
💯 this is the most accurate comment by far, that previous dominance hid the weakness, this year revealed the weakness.
Agreed
I think this is Horner protecting himself internally. Checo is a Horner guy. Ricciardo is a Horner guy. Max, Yuki and Lawson are Marko guys. Even with the backing of the majority Thai ownership, Horner still has to be surrounded by guys loyal to Marko/Austrian contingient of Red Bull every day. I think he's just trying to keep as many 'soldiers' in his corner as possilbe until the end of the year. If they bin off Checo for Ricciardo, that's one less Horner guy around. If they bin off Checo for Yuki, that's 2 Marko guys in RBR and Horner loses some influence.
This is about their internal power struggle, 'truce' or not. Marko got that contract extension a little bit ago, and I think he's a little emboldened by that.
I don't believe it is. I honestly think it's all about money and that this went above the team. Checo brings in a lot of sponsorship and merch money. Red Bull also sell a lot of cans in Mexico and South America because of him. He and the team also has deals with Disney for various programs. I think corporate saw that sponsorship/merch/disney money and decided it's worth keeping him, especially with the amount of money and product they can move around the time of the Mexican GP. It'd be more than enough to offset the cost of losing the WCC.
You couldn't be more wrong, Verstappen's were told after SPA Checo was gone. Liberty Media saved his career due to their fear of revenue loss in Mexico, so threw RBR enough cash to offset the loss of income for the WCC 2nd position.
9:24 Max isn't bothered about the Constructors Championship either, only his own drivers title. It's Horner's job to prioritize the Constructors and he is failing in this respect.
I totally agree. I'm a Max supporter but as far as Red Bull is concerned, they've lost me. For the Constructor's Title, I'm going back to McLaren.
Cant feel bad for the guy anymore, hes not producing enough, as others say, Congrats MclarenF1Team on the 2024 WCC.🎉
Not yet... as soon as McLaren figures out that Piastri is their #1 driver, then congratulations McLaren. 🎉
Such a petty response. Finished second in driver championship last year. Just Qualified 2nd at spa..they have put way more engines and parts on Max car than Checos. At spa Checo had to swap positions with Max which results in a 8th place finish over a 5th. The car is a
Seriously, what is the damn point of the performance clause then if he is still keeping his seat regardless?
In the case of Checo, the dude (hopefully) better improve after the summer break. If he doesn't then yeah, congratulations to McLaren.
@@arkangelarkangel1302he isn’t 😂
@@therealBocaStudios bro, he barely held on to the 2nd place, nothing to boast about. tbf its embarasing that he was fighting for his place while max was 100+ points ahead.
Qualified 2nd... yeah, and from that glorious position he overtook everyone right into p8. while max, starting p10 did P5. The car is not fast enough, but its fast and perez clearly cannot extract the performance.
Pérez already cost RBR the WCC in 2021, I'm surprised he's stayed when drivers like Kvyat and Gasly were kicked out for less
I don't think Red Bull were too bothered about that but if they didn't win it in 2022 then it would've been a concern.
The Mercedes was just the superior car. If a driver like Bottas can get 4 pole positions out of that, you need a hell of a driver to win the WDC.
@@DenUitvreter Bottas was a great driver, he never qualified out of Q3 in his Mercedes run, he was driving in autopilot in 2021 and Checo couldn't beat him
@@Jorge.Painkiller The Mercedes was the most supreme car for by far the longest time in the history of F1. Would be embarrassing or an error to get to Q3.
Kvyat was dropped because of Verstappen. Never got it self confidence back after that..
I heard someone’s theory that i agree with.
Danny was happy all weekend, beside subpar performance so he may have a promise for 2025 (not in writing) and that red bull are going to see checo through the year so he can retire at mexico. It will look less like he was fired and more that he chose to leave and that would smooth over better with the mexican fanbase. This would let Danny and lawson do full seasons next year at RBR and Vcarb respectively
🙄 again? Saying that he will retire in Mexico. Not happening. Maybe in 2025
He didn't have a drive next year even in the official statement
@@pamelaisza8536his career was over last Sunday definitely.
lol kvyat has more chances than ricciardo
I honestly really hope that he does well at the Mexican GP. I’ve been rooting for him since Racing Point. And, I hope that he does retire afterwards. Or, at least takes a break and returns at a different team. RB is clearly just not a good fit for him.
Why does everybody think that changing the driver mid season is the right thing to do?! This is not a rookie replacement like it was at Alpha Tauri. Do you really think Ric would do better? I doubt that. Can't you see it's a problem with the car? Even Max struggles to keep up with the frontrunners. We don't have all the inside information so speculating is in vain. Just enjoy the races and let fate decide who the winners of this season will be.
The problem is Red Bull has very few individuals it can replace Checo with. Its clear they don't want Tsunoda in the car next to Max and he'll be gone after the Honda partnership is up, Riccardo is probably gone after this season to make way for Lawson, and Lawson himself probably needs a full season to see if he's ready for the main team.
Now Carlos Sainz has signed for Williams, there really isn't anyone outside of the Red Bull program worth signing (and also Sainz and his family had their own complicated problems with Jos Verstappen, which made a Red Bull return for him unlike).
Checo is probably safe for the first half of 2025, which could be really bad for Red Bull if he doesn't get his act together.
That makes absolutely no sense. Lawson needs several seasons before he could even think of getting into the RB next to Max. Ricciardo is a straight upgrade to Checo and so is Yuki. Getting rid of Checo and throwing Ricciardo in there (who has the same driving style and car handling preferences as Max) for half a season opens up a seat in VCARB to put Lawson in. It also allows them to evaluate Ricciardo for half a season.
Red Bull should talk to Bottas and see if he'd be interested
If DR is gone he will be replaced by Hadjar. Horner has made it clear he wants to see Hadjar in the car next year. Lawson won;t get a seat at Red Bull. It's not in Honers thinking.
It's disappointing that Checo hasn't been replaced yet, but I'm not thrilled about the idea of Danny taking his seat either. He hasn't outperformed in AlphaTauri, so what good would he do in a Red Bull? I'd much rather see someone like Liam, Yuki, or any other promising junior driver get that opportunity. They deserve a shot at proving their potential in a top-tier team.
it would cost them too much to break the Contract early
Dependable over Yuki or Liam? That's might be a bit of a stretch mate....
One is literally ahead of him in the points right now, the other hasn't even been pitted against him and got his chance.
Riccardo is at the tail of his career, you want a young driver to get his butt kicked in a car that’s hard to drive and can barely get 2nd-5th place with the best driver on the grid?
How anybody thinks Daniel is the “obvious choice” is beyond me.
The advantage Daniel has over Yuki or Liam is that he would manage the relationship with Max the best, and he could adapt to the new environment faster since he’s been there.
The problem is, then you should just stick with Checo, and I think that’s exactly what they did.
To be honest, whilst it would have been interesting to see Yuki or Liam in that seat, ultimately promoting either half way thru the season would have been really tough, so I’m actually happy it didn’t happen.
@milspecmike8440 What's your point then? Replace Checo with a driver equally as bad?
Max literally said "Redbull needs to worry about fixing their car instead of worrying about Checo" what happens when you put another driver in that car and it ruins someone else's confidence? You think Danny can drive the car better than Max? You think Liam can deal with an unstable car? You all are crazy lol
Exactly, improving the car is their main priority, not who the second driver is.
I think it's sad that in 3-4 years of dominance, Red Bull will only win 2 constructors championships. I also feel bad for Alex Albon and Pierre Gasly, they were dropped much quicker for better performances.
3-4 years, no. Red Bull has only been dominant for a year and a half as the first half was of 2022 was an actual fight.
Yuki deserves that second seat, when he was grinding in Toro Rosso, Daniel was changing teams every year.
We've heard this before, Danil Kvyat and Gasly both got similar statements before getting turfed mid year. Checo is not safe.
marko is not in charge anymore
@@Pato-ARG No, Liberty Media is and Mexico isn't sold out yet
@@DanKindopp so?
The thing is that replacing Sergio isn't a guarantee that the constructors will be won. It might work, but it might be the same (or worse). Is it worth trying and avoiding all of the chaos? Perhaps.
I saw this take online, but I'll echo the sentiment: Red Bull in the 2020s have morphed into the modern equivalent of Benetton in the Early to Mid 1990s.
They have a tendency to make cars that are fast but tricky to drive at the limit, they have a once-in-a-generation driver leading the team and getting the absolute maximum out of the car most of the time and while the second driver is good enough to be on the grid, they can't get anywhere near the pace of the team leader and get thrashed in the press and by fans as a result.
Checo needs to get his ish together though; I could easily see him out of F1 by next year at this rate.
So Max will be going to ferrari at some point in the future?
I'm happy for Checo and not invested in Rb winning he constructor's title so it's all gravy to me.
I'm surprised, but not unpleasantly.
I am honestly rooting for Red Bull to fall to 4th in the WCC at this point. They deserve it. I really hope that Merc and Ferrari can both jump Red Bull along with McLaren.
New rumour circulating is that Liberty Media stepped in and asked RB not to ditch Checo.
Apparently he also has an upcoming series(?) on Disney+
Anyone you put in that seat will try to compete with Max, causing more turbulence. People really believe Danny Ric or Liam will just fall in line. Everyone is chasing the championship.
Adrian Newey leaving is hitting them hard.
I so fkin hope that Newey will make the Williams his personal project and we finally see the williams dominance.
@@tvs99999 Yes! Yes! And, Yes! That is exactly what I'm hoping for. Williams, whatever money is necessary to get him, get Adrian Newey!
@@tamstutz921 - I'm not a Williams fan but I have to agree with you.
While I do entirely agree that Checco's performance has been woeful, I do think that we as fans do need to acknowledge that we aren't in the closed door meetings. We don't really know if there's something else we aren't aware of that's either causing Checco's performance issue, or leading the team to keep him around.
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I think you mean, the man, the myth, the ladder
I feel bad for Perez. He used to be such a good driver but the constant hate he got. Last year every time Redbull was interviewed it wasnt often about how fast Max is or anything but about when will they replace Perez and I think all that negative attention realy made him unconfident enough to make him perform so poorly.
Its such a shame he fell off so badly, I just want him to perform good again
Sorry, I can’t recall this alternate reality you speak of where Perez was good… he was average at best. F1 level average, so better then near mortals but in the scheme of those on the f1 grid, he’s average.
That´s exactly what i think is happening. I think also he past is prime years (Force India and Racing Point).
@@Pilch9 He was better than Hulkenberg, Stroll, Ocon, Kobayashi. In terms of raw speed he was on the level of Button. Perhaps those above are all average?
I think the main problem is a combination of factors. 1 Max is faster. Makes us all think he is worst driver than he his. 2. to much bad pressure from the team. 3 the media are like vampires around him. To much depreciative comments. 4. Driving a car developed for Max. Perez never liked a car with a strong front end. All those factors together make things worse. You lose your self confidence. Began to doubt about everything. As Montoya said about Ralf. Once I began to beat him he started to doubt about his skills, the the downfall began.
You should make another video about Norris soon. Although people are hyping him up for a drivers championship this or next year I don’t think he’s ready. In clear air Lando has been great but wheel to wheel he is not ready, if or if not he was fighting max. He has been terrible in race starts and has consistently left the door wide open (China sprint, Austria Sprint, Spain, UK and Hungary). People are quick to jump on Max’s radio messages and call him a crybaby but Lando has done the same thing. Specifically in Hungary he tried blackmailing his team by pushing his car when he was told not to while crying on the radio for the whole race, and then barely celebrating with Oscar. It was childish from him and if it were anyone else who did the things he has done this season they would be the most hated driver. Like his engineer said championships require teams and if he pulls stunts like Hungary again Oscar might not help him anymore. Oscar is quickly catching up to him in just his second year as an f1 driver. He has all but solved his tyre wear, is extremely calm and is willing to do what ever the team says, even letting his teammate past to the podium in his home race. I would definitely say Oscar is a better chance at being the first of them to win a championship
I think people get it wrong, Red Bull needs time on the wind tunnel and CFD, so, it's obvious that they don't mind loosing points. There is also the deal with oracle, Red Bull will be a good marketing whatever if they are first or third.
Money Checo brings in is worth more than the prize money difference between 1st & 2nd in constructors. Also being 2nd is more development resources. Redbull is not a car company. Since they are not selling cars, constructors is nice to have but not mandatory. Max winning championship is worth more. This is most likely the business driven logic here. No emotion involved which honestly fits RBs historic choices.
As much as i believe he doesn't deserve his seat, dropping him now would be senseless, for multiple reasons.
-Lack of an adequate sub.
That is the main one, Ricciardo gives no guarantee whatsoever and has not earned a second chance in the team as he is overall out-performed by Tsunoda, while the latter is everything but impressive (i mean, sure, he is now a solid midfield driver, but he's not even remotely close from being a competitive top team driver, even as a n°2).
Lawson is a reflexy driver and needs more time, high risks of being a Gasly/Albon.
-Next tracks are mostly tracks that fits Pérez's.
Monza and Singapore puts an emphasis on good throttle application and right amount of rear load, particularly the latter with 90 degrees corners, which is Pérez's main strength.
Red Bull could swap drivers like Gasly, Albon, Kviyat, and even Verstappen as they were young drivers, part of the RB process, and dependent on them. On the other hand, as you said, Checo brings £30 million quid with him. Does anyone think those sponsors would have stuck around if RB dropped Checo mid season? Does anyone realistically think Red Bull would just be able to casually fix that £30 million quid in their budget? Anyone thinking that Perez was ever going anywhere had clearly just bought into the absolute nonsense in the media.
Furthermore, if he does not perform well at Azerbaijan, a circuit which he rules at (as was said in the video), then that's a reflection on how poor the Red Bull has become, not on Perez.
Umm that 30 million is already promosed for 2024 via contracts likely. Very rare a sponsor can go 1/2way thru season then decide to pull funding unless they fail. The real benefit to checo isnt 30million its his marketing value and sales of Rbr stuff in central america
@captaintoyota3171 and Perez already has a contract....you really think they wouldn't have clauses? Really?
But it IS the car. It hates kerbs, it can't turn, it manages to be both oversteery and understeery, plus it's not the fastest on the straight line speed anymore. Max is an incredible driver, but if even he can't win the last 4 races, how can Checo do as well? The car's now the 3rd, if not the 4th fastest on the grid. I've seen Checo defend against Lewis and Fernando and he used to be able to do that with ease but this car just isn't doing it.
@@kikay134 So why change drivers then?
The RB car is built specifically for Max. They've leaned into that even more because they no longer have the best power unit. Checo can get a good qualifying time in the car by living on the razor's edge, but he can't keep it up for an entire race. No one can but Max, because it's his car. Putting any other driver in THAT car right now would yield similar results imo.
Finally somebody 🎉
It's not Max' car, it's designed to be fast. That just happens to be what Max prefers, a fast car. The mere fact you can't even grasp this basic nuance shows how little clue a casual like you has about F1 as a sport. And then there are four more casuals liking this utter BS, simply staggering.
@EntropicExergy you're an idiot. "It's designed to be fast.." No, it's not. Everything you said about me applies to you.
@EntropicExergy You sound mature, level-headed, and knowledgeable about F1. "It's designed to be fast.." The Red Bull car has an incredibly tight front end specifically catered to Max's driving style. The front end is tweaked to be tighter throughout each season. Most F1 drivers prefer a loose front end with a tight backend. Max is the opposite, and the Red Bull car is built to fit Max's driving style. It's the equivalent of playing a video game with all sensitivity settings set to maximum. As you so eloquently put it, anyone with any knowledge of F1 already knows this as it's been openly talked about by former teammates of Max for years now. In terms of your other comment, "it's the way to build the fastest car." No, it's not. It's just a driving style preference.
@@vanillatornado8390 Yes i do sound that way, since i actually know how it's not just a preference. If you knew even the most basic things about physics, you'd know oversteer is generally the fastest way to go around a lap. Since physics dictates everything, including F1, you'd know that it's not just a preference, it is absolutely essential to being the fastest. Unless you have a cheat of an engine, like merc had, and no competitor, it is rather irrelevant. But in a tight field, it's things like this and stuff like skill level allowing you to handle oversteery cars, that makes the actual difference. But hey, if you think of it as some simple game where physics has no say in things, sure, you'd sound real knowledgeable and mature. In your own mind that is.
Is there really any difference between this and gasly? They went into the summer break promising gasly would stay
That quote at 6:48..... weird. Aren't all 4 RB drivers (Max, Checo, Daniel, Yuki) "red bull racing drivers"? Isn't that how they moved them around so freely previously? That everyone driving for the main or the sister team is actually under the same org? For me that quote could still see them putting Checo into the RB, and "see him perform on circuits where he has done well before, after the summer break"
To which you can say "but why would checo take that demotion", which is fair, but if he does indeed have break clauses that could be activated, he has 2 options: accept the demotion or get sacked during the summer break.
Red bull isn't struggling with drivers, checo knows that he does not hold any cards. If he does not accept the demotion, redbull can just put Lawson into the 4th car and decide whom to put into which seat.
That is what I was wondering as well, I am not exactly sure these days of the arrangements but the drivers were all paid by Red Bull so technically they are all Red Bull drivers. I am not sure if that was Horner being slightly sneaky with the statement or not.
IIRC Max has a special contract that is _only_ with the top team. Everyone else has a contract that allows them to be moved around. But yes, the quote from Christian is opaque, probably deliberately so.
Checo wasn't a red bull backed driver when he signed with them so it might be different compared to yuki(honda backed first) or daniel
@@leoarevalo6786 that only matters in "loaned-out" driver situations, for example russell was a mercedes driver loaned out to williams. Checo is a red bull driver, contracted and paid by redbull, same as the other 3
My sources: "Marco and Daniel Ricciardo shook hands" -> Checo is getting replaced... 😂😂😂
Checo's career was over on Sunday night till Liberty Media stepped in on Monday.
2:22 Hah, thanks for reminding me.
I keep a fancy spreadsheet as well with the standings, race finishes, points, podiums, fastest lap, inter-team duels etc., but also their average finishing position (minus DNF), and you made me remember that i hadn't updated the averages yet, which i had done now after i paused the video here.
It's kinda funny that i only last year discovered that i apparently really like making and keeping spreadsheets, i also have one for my game collection, it's nice to add the cover art and console icons etc.
Possibly controversial take but maybe Sergio’s Racing Point results weren’t actually that impressive. If Max was his teammate at Racing Point instead of Lance, then maybe Sergio’s results would have been subpar and not spectacular
Yeah who knows, the 2020 RP might have been just a few hundredths off of the 2020 Merc in real pace, but neither Lance nor Sergio could extract that much out of it.
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Hello law, I missed the recent live and wanted to ask you if you think Williams have something up their sleeve with Carlos signing now. Like some guy named Adrian or something joining engineering? Or is this just a weak stopover for Carlos career? Thanks!
The camera zoom on the patreon board into you appearing was extra slick today for some reason. Good job.
As a Mclaren fanboy I'm all for him staying. lol
I can see why Horner wants Checho to stay despite lackluster performances. 1) He is 100% loyal to Horner and not Marko, 2) he brings a cashload of sponsors 3) he is no threat to max so less chances of both DNF during races and teammate drama.
It's crazy how many Last Chances Checo has had at this point, and Red Bull keeps handing them out. I think they took the criticism that they kick out drivers too harshly over low performance (Gasly, Albon) a bit too seriously, to the point even as obvious a case as Checo is going unnoticed.
Woah, I'm early. Love the vids mate
Honeslty could they safely let Checo go before the Mexican Grand Prix? The money lost and the boos from the crowd would be wild.
People's mistake is that people think that these boy's clubs are thinking about the sport.
No they're not.
They're thinking in terms of politics. Of who knows who and what that who brings to the table.
Perez brings the attention of South America. And their money. Guaranteed. Sure without Check, they might still get the money, because they think the fanbase is strong there. But they don't know. And in the world of Boy's Clubs, that's not good enough.
So team chances be damned, money talks and checo talks in South America.
Checo is not from South America
Horner's statement was super cryptic, I think a driver swap seeing checo in the VCARB is still on the cards.
Yeah I agree with what you said there about if Checo can't perform in Baku. Singapore as well tbh, imo the Baku-Singapore double header is probably gonna be the most important races of the remaining races for Checo
Checo staying tells us that Checo is where Horner thinks the Red Bull car is.
At this point I feel like someone has some blackmail material.
I'd rather have a bowl of Coco pops 😂
Q: How did RB go from starting the season looking like a repeat of 2023 to where they are now?
A: Well it's hard to blame Checo for that.
Q: Why did Adrian Newey leave Red Bull?
A: Well it's hard to blame Checo for that.
Q: Why isn't Max winning
A: Well it's hard to blame Checo for that?
Q: Why is everyone blaming Checo then?
A: Because it's easier to blame Checo than to face the reality that RB needs to fix the car and they lost the designer who no longer appears in the paddock with his notebook and pencil to tell them what they might or might not change.
This is going to be a long term problem for RB
This is all about money and although the team will get a large amount of money by winning the championship but they will and continue making loads with merchandise sales in that part of the world.
If RB brings in a replacement there is no guarantee they will win the championship nor will this person brings in more sponsors or increase merchandise sales.
It’s funny how the betting odds moved a lot & McLaren became bigger favourites after Checo was announced to continue. So fans & people putting their money down think anyone would do a better job than Sergio right now.
its probably also worth mentioning there were very similar notes coming from Red Bull back in 2019 when it came to Gaslys seat and we all know how that ended up.
I have a buddy that I shared one of your videos with the "Foam of Doubt" in it and I had to explain it to him. So I thought I'd let you know, so that you could periodically incorporate what the "Foam of Doubt" is all about, so that newer viewers understand what it means. Just a suggestion.
Mate you are a genius, amazing videos, so much talk and keeping interest from beginning to the end, great job!! 👏
Checo has some dirt on Horner. Maybe the scandal at the beginning of the season isn't as over as it seems.
4:07 I've watched F1 for a while now and think it's starting to look fake, but I enjoyed it.
Keep doing a great job especially that live thing after d races.
Sponsorship money is a major factor why teams keep or release certain drivers and he’s shown enough he can do better if given the right car and right now he’s not getting that. Max himself has struggled with it in recent races as well.
The thing with spa was the car was set up for higher down fourse because of the rain in qualifying you can really see that in the speed traphe was a lot slower than others because of the drag that it had
Liberty media CEO literally told RB to keep him because they’re afraid of Mexican GP fall off
I’m a big Gasly supporter. And when he got dropped from Red Bull I was pretty upset. To this day I still think he would’ve improved in that seat. I’m even more pissed now. Why couldn’t they give Gasly half the leash they are giving Checo? I know he has a lot of financial backing but Gasly is just a flat out more consistent driver imo. Ugh.
Gasly tried to tell Newey how to design and build a car. Wonder what would happen to you if you told the CEO of your company (technically CTO since that was what Newey is) with the kind of tact Gasly had. My guess is you get to pack your stuff first thing next morning, since they'd kick you out straight away. Gasly brought that all on himself, he was lucky they'd let him stay at AT.
Max likes him, they want to keep Max happy. It was always going to end whatever way Max wanted it to.
Max is also telling them to focus on improving the car, a far bigger issue than who is in that second seat.
Max likes Daniel as well.
These are drivers dropped mid season from a reasonable team since 1991. In order- Moreno for Schumacher (Jordan), Frentzen for Alesi (Jordan), Trulli for Villeneuve (Renault, and that went amazingly badly), Kyvat for Verstappen (Torro Rosso), Palmer for Sainz (Renault), Gasly for Albon (RBR), De Vries for Riccardo (AT). 3 for the 7 are in the Red Bull family and by comparison fairly recently. (I'm excluding teams like Super Aguri because they had revolving doors into the garage opened and closed with cash)
If you have to sack a driver half way through a year then probably you shouldn't have signed them in the first place, Helmut.
Horner is really destroying the team. Neither Perez nor Ricciardo should be in contention for that second RB Seat with the performance they have shown this season.
There was no reason to replace Bottas who won the Constructors. Lewis subtly compared Albon and Gasly to Kovalainen in 2019-2020 and pointed out how much closer Valtteri was to him than his fellow Finn.
This is the same red bull who threw alguesuari and vergne in the bin after strong seasons
i love that foam of doubt
I have several theories.
1 - Red Bull want to appear stable and united after all the drama at the start of the year.
2 - Horner wants Ricciardo in the car and Marko wants Lawson and neither is willing to concede.
3 - They have actually decided to drop Checo but are not ready to announce it yet.
4 - They have convinced Checo to retire 'on his own terms' at the end of the year.
5 - They have told him it will be race by race after the break.
6 - There is a real concern that Max will jump ship to Mercedes in which case they will want both Checo and Daniel for 2025.
One element to Perez decision is the sales of Red Bull in Mexico. I live in Mexico and Red Bull is a major beverage here ( billions). Much more financially significant than the F1 championship
Regarding Checo, the most important information that you are missing is Checo's 'on track' racing telemetry analysis where Checo's overall performance is clearly identified.
Yes!!!! Checo has a shocking Q1 exits this season, which has hidden his full potential from all F1 fans........ but ........... in Belgium, the Red Ball knew that Checo had a major car balance problem that damaged his tires so badly that Checo could not challenge for the lead or maintain his position.
As proof of Checo's capability, he got the fastest race day lap time.
I think both cars aren't equal. I can't blame Checo too much. I think Dan Ric would struggle even worse which would make the team look bad.
I still hold to my opinion after spending time in the paddock over the weekend that the RB and VCARB seats have been sorted and I get the feeling RB and Perez have come to a agreement where he can step aside in a more graceful way than being dumped. The constructors championship is where the team gets prize money and RB staff get quite a healthy bonus if they win it so I am sure RB staff will be unhappy with Horner playing Russian Roulette with the constructors title and should things get much closer I think we will see a change rather than it being made at the end of the season.
RB announced gonna change everything around Checo, starting with his engineer, staff, and car to see if he can work better at a y race.
Realistically the question is whether Perez is going to do a better job in the second Red Bull than any other driver.
Ricciardo has the best chance (imo) to be able to hit the ground in the main RB team running, and it's probably a complete toss-up as to whether Ricciardo or Perez will do better in that seat. Perez is off form, but Ricciardo won't have the feel for the MaxMobile that is Red Bull's car that Perez does have.
The Butterfield... "and that's not all" still gets me everytime 🤣
Isaac Butterfield?
@@RockSolitude no Brian Butterfield. It was a Peter Serafinovic character
When there wasn't a challenge from other teams to fight Red Bull after 2021, Checo was not doing enough in comparison to Max and I have always said when other teams started to rise up, Checo would get caught with his pants down unless he ups his game or Red Bull drop him. Checo is not at his peak anymore and this will cost Red Bull a championship because of it because they refuse to make the hard but right decision.
The only reasonable explanation I can think of is that Checo has experience in both the RB19 and RB20 and RBR think that his feedback is more valuable when trying to fix the kerb problem. Nothing else makes sense. I don't think that a team with RedBull behind them (a company with 12bil in revenue last year) would rly *need* the money this badly. It would also make sense that Ricciardo would have a deal with Marko for next year with a presumably quite different car.
French media reported yesterday that Liberty Media would have asked Red Bull not to drop Perez during the summer break, because it would hurt the attendance at the Mexican GP. No idea if it's true, but maybe the part about "upcoming good tracks" is all BS and they're just holding out until after Mexico.
This whole Checo Red Bull disaster is making me think of what Lewis said about how "loyalty has its limits", how much longer can Red Bull remain loyal to Checo's money? Because let's face it, he's vastly underperforming in relation to Max for most of the season and is likely one of the reasons why the RB20 hasn't been improving, what with him costing them 3.6 million in car repairs according to the destructors championship. Kvyat, Gasly and Albon have been dropped for less, difference being that they didn't bring Red Bull the kind of money that Checo does
So I havent heard anyone bring this up yet. But Max, Checo, Daniel, Yuki and Liam are all Red Bull Racing Drivers. As far as I understand at least. So I wont be surprised if it just means he is dropped to Torro Rosso instead and they use another Red Bull Racing driver in his place. That or Horner is perhaps making a critical judgement error and come the summer break, they announce that he is out together with Sergio and someone else steps up (not Marko or Jos lol, but someone else internally). Helmut is still a employee too I guess.
I dont think checo will get demoted to visa cash app RB because of the loyalty to horner while max is loyal to marko but after 2024 red bull are probably gonna pay the remainder of his 2 year deal and replace him
Choke-o will be around till the end of the year, but he's toast after that
LawVS living on that Ladder
has anyone checked who can survive staying with Max? Checo is doing a good job and his stay alongside to Max for years is proving he is unusual. i found the comments suggesting a problem but not a solution.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
14:39 I like your theory: the extra wind-tunnel time and not to repeat again 2021 are reasons enough to believe that they prefer to keep Checo. Also thinking in the new regulations of 2026? Or for the new regulations all the teams have the same amount of time?
After the summer break we have Zandvoort, Monza, Baku snd Singapore, and after those four races we have another month break so he chould very well be dropped by that point
This is not on Checo. RB just does not have a competitive car and it’s hidden by having Max. Max was able to go from 14th to 1st easily at spa before. Now he was fighting hard from 11th to 5th. The car is a middle of the pack car hidden because we’re still used to the RB dominance of recent.
The only case where a decision like this makes sense, is if they have an upgrade package GUARANTEED to put them back on the top.
So where did they say it's his last chance?
You say you don't have anything against Checo, your thumbnail and start are similar to those of the hundreds of clickbait channels (ok maybe not that bad but it is moving that way) and not really fair if you don't have anything against him, which is a shame as I know you have more substance (which you do see again later in a video).
Yes there are many rumors about Checo being let off and probably last chance calls, but those are not from the team but all these youtube streamer and gossip channels.
People always twist the things Marko and Horner say, usually when Marko said something or Horner said something you should actually find the original interview, especially the german translated interviews of Marko are almost certainly selective quoting which paint a very different picture.
There is a reason why RB is keeping Checo, I personally think (yes also speculation) it is because they know the car is actually bad now (and ofcourse C3, C3, C2 wasn't a very good choice unless you hope he can catch drivers for Max, not for his own race and battery issues aren't helping either), Checo is willing to make sacrificesto his race to help Max whenever the order comes (and they come, they have happened already this year and not 1 time) and I think Marko likes Checo, Horner likes Checo and he is probably the only driver they can agree upon, so he brings peace inside the team, which I guess they still need.
Baku won't be a good one I fear unless they can find balance in that car again, there's a reason why Max is cursing, becoming a road demon again and is critisizing the car left and right, it was build on his style and even he hates it, they went over the edge with the car.
Tbh I think Newey leaving caused RB to take a hit so much harder then they are willing to admit.
So if you are having this convo about Checo and surely it deserves some discussion. What about Riccardo? why is he still there with some new talent in the wings that have long term potential. Both have been great drivers and at some point it would be interesting to hear what really happened. Sergio has done well with a lot less than with Redbull. As for Redbull they have been counter productive for several careers
Sergio staying tells me that RBR either want a complaicent 2nd driver who wont interfere, or aren't willing to risk the pr/financial cost of losing Checo. I think that him swapping to VCARB or even taking the second half of the season off would be better than sticking at RBR for everyone involved.
The money he gets for the team obviously covers coming 2nd or 3rd in the team constructors championship, so they could end up better off with more wind tunnel time next year or even better they win it anyway.
RedBull shows the rift in management by not doing the usual RB thing and changing a driver mid season.
You need to be following drivers pretty closely to know what they're dealing with so I'm not going to pile on, I mean from watching others I know 80+% of races in a season can be hugely affected by other factors besides driving performance.
My favorite Mad Max quote "speed is just about money, how fast do you want to go"?
F1 has always been about money. If you have money you will solve your speed problems, if you don't your never going to win.
Thanks for keeping Butterfield alive 🙏
No, I won't be saying that because you're British ... Mercedes, McLaren, and Ferarri don't have Newey and they are beating Red Bull. Newey is a great engineer and has valuable insights. If Red Bull is to be believed, they started the withdrawal of Newey more than a year ago. This means that senior engineers are learning more intense with Newey. It may very well be the case that they started that knowledge sharing trajectory too late.
It may very well be that with Newey's insight, some tests are done and tested within 2 days instead of 3. It's not like the current senior engineer is trash. Even Newey himself said that the issues of the current car where there in 2022 and 2023. However, the competitors were so far behind, it masked the issue.
My argument is that while Newey has been a critical role in the development of the car, you don't drop to being the 3rd team in 2 or 3 races. This has 80% to do with the competitors improving the car significantly. Yes, the car needs improvements to not fall back entirely. But I think we only start to really see the effects of Newey not being there, when the 2025 season is halfway underway and even more so in 2026.
Don't forget, the current issues with the car were there when Newey was still very much active and in the lead.
Win the drivers and get more aero time for the new regs. Seems like a win win to me
For RB it certainly is, they don't need the money to begin with. Perez brings it through his sponsors, but even without them, the mother company is loaded with how many cans they sell.
I don't think I've seen a team winning leading the constructors having to rely on an underperforming drivers sponsor money before.
This doesn't bode well for the RB powertrains project.