BOAC Vickers VC-10 & Boeing 707-436 Travelogue - 1964
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- For educational & non commercial purposes only. Fly all over the place in a BOAC Boeing 707 with Rolls Royce power! Nifty trim on the engine pylons. VC-10 footage also included at the beginning! Be sure to check my channel for the best in VINTAGE & RARE airliner videos!
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Refreshing to hear the English language spoken as it once was; clear pronunciation, concise, without ambiguity.
I agree, modern British sounds mumbled
И никаких негров и арабов с английским паспортом 😂😂😂
@@errorsofmodernism7331”yo wagwan man’s P2Trappy still braaaap“ 😂
What you say is nonsense ……you say” hear the English language spoken as it once was “! ? ……..do you really think Medieval English was spoken like some Eton educated chinless wonder ? ………….Regional accents have always been out there ,what you mean is you like the BBC version of toffee nosed perceived pronunciation!
@@Алексей-ч7м9о Nice try Vladimir, but you forgot to actually translate your BS to English.
Thank you for posting this! The glory days of airline travel on the beautiful 707!
The vc-10 is probably one of the most esthetically correct planes out there.
Yes, Especially with the later gold-speedbird livery
No those rear mounted dual engines always look weird the 707 and 747 DC-8 are perfect looking in my book 4 engine swept wing design
@Meh K beauty is always in the eye of the beholder
What does that mean?
I concur. Just beautiful British design.
The helicopter at 20:00 was New York Airways, providing passenger chopper service between various NY airports & Manhattan, we flew on them in late 1960s.
This video is a glimpse into a different world.
It’s nice to hear the sound of a Conway 707-436!! I guess it had a different sound to the Pratt and Whitney scream if the 707-336!
What a great piece of film
ah splendid.....jolly nice ticket desk chap.
Old school. Sadly they don't make them like that anymore.
77Nevill
Travelled San Francisco to Nadi (Fiji) on a BA 707 in late December 67.
Remember those noise suppressors on the engines. Was nice to see RR on the nacelles after 3 weeks of Pratt and Whitney.
Doubt I'd feel the same way now with the dodgy engineering on RR kit.
Ice blockage in fuel system on BA at LHR and burst oil pipe just out of S'pore on Aantas.
When Flying was a Joy...
- and you were allowed to smoke back then. They even handed out cigarettes to the passengers :-)
Better times when we enjoyed more freedoms.
Cigarettes were still healthy back then.
Cigarette smoking was bad for the health then, it still is an unhealthy habit.
Great old film....I love theese old jet - airplanes...making all that black smoke ohhh ..)) and those great promotion film as this...
That was the “water injection” I believe
Crazy route to cross Victoria Falls and then arrive in Asia and Australia.
This music makes me want to dance insanely!
at 5:32 an epic Lotus Elite!!!!!
Instead of economy class they should call it 2nd class. Oh and what class will you be flying today, 2nd class, as if I didn't know.
why not call it what it really is: steerage class for the modern age.
The term most often used when I was flying frequently was COACH. Even so, it was not like today. Depending on the airlines, you could compare it to first class today, and you were never treated badly. Food was good, things like a soda was free, as was carry-on. Though back then most people just carried the small airline branded, carryall bag, or a grip for men and an overnight bag for ladies.
What on earth is a fishmuff?
Great footage with very exciting video with real jetliners... No doubt a far more enjoyable era, for today a simple good morning and a touch on the shoulder could easily land you in a sexual harassment lawsuit with one of the modern pimp lawyers and the today's radical feminist sexual harassment lawsuit payoff predators.
This BOAC paint design is timeless,even today with all our refinishing technologies it stands out as Simple , Elegant,just beautiful 😉.
The good old days, when economy passengers were still formal.
Angeelo Gov And the stench of cigarette smoke filled the entire cabin.
No browns, or black people on board... We've come a long way...
My Mum went to London from Sydney in 1964 , over $2000 back then.imagine paying 30 to 40 thousand for an economy class seat .
@@PARABOLA1966 why do you say that because there was a black man on the BOAC Boeing 707 plane.
@@beagle7622 $17613 in 2021 basically emirates first class
The VC-10 was a beautiful aircraft, stunning
С него, наверное, Ил-62 копировали ❤❤❤
@@Алексей-ч7м9оbut the IL62 looked better
@@Алексей-ч7м9о You mean the VC10sky?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Vickers VC10 was my favourite airliner when I was a kid...Great to see, even if it was a gas guzzler, I love the Johnny Dankworth score too!
The VC-10 and 707 both give me Airliner-orgasms!lol
..and the L10-11 Tristar.. and the DC-10 ( MD-11 )
I flew VC-10s on EAST AFRICAN AIRWAYS From Heathrow to Nairobi several times, with a plane full of expats. Marvellous plane. Before that, I flew on a Comet 4 (Sept 1 1963) to Nairobi.
Flew the Super VC-10 to the Seychelles in April 1976 via East Africa.
Superb flight and Service.
Excellent vacation!
Wonderful video, and a pleasent trip down the corridors of fond memories. I flew BOAC more often then not, followed by PANAM and a smattering of other airlines. All types of aircraft, from prop, turbo prop, and the full range of Boeing jets, with BEA's Tridents, and Caravelles of SAS, and the best of all them was the VC-10, and SUPER VC-10 of BOAC.
I remember these flying out of Chicago O'Hare for London in the late 60's. Man, those planes engines would really scream on takeoff. You knew what it was before you even saw it!
yes, I remember the VC10 at Ohare parked on the tarmac
I worked at JFK back then and I remember thewonderful crackle of the Super VC-10 leaving BOAC was right next to us...VARIG... so it was a familiar bird. It could get off using less runway then theDC-8s and 707s. I dont know its cruise sped but I saw Mach .83 in a BOAC 707 while sitting in its right seat. At the time I was with a 3rd level scheduled air taxi.We flew De Havilland Doves from varoius New England cities to LGA. Got invited up front. Things were different ,AND BETTER,back then.
VC is still the fastest jet airliner in the world.
Oh, those wonderful days when everything was so relaxed and simple. So very sad these days.
There used to be a lot of high quality capital locked up in the airline system 50 years ago. But, TPTB planned out how to strip out everything and leave just enough to move the cattle about. The balance of the stolen capital was sent to Wall Street, City of London, and the usual suspects.
Flying today is a right pig. Security and the wasted hours before boarding the bus really sets the mood. A chore to be sullenly endured.
@@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc A "right"? If it was a right, there would be NONE of this social engineering to make us accustomed to being treated like prisoners or cattle. We have NO RIGHTS. They exist as privileges which appear as rights until you do something they don't like.
All the security and wasted hours exists purely to show dominance. Plus, so much propaganda and political capital is locked up in the terrorist narrative that TPTB cannot back out from it. Give the American slaves some of their freedom back and the Sheeple will demand more freedoms to be restored.
TPTB have spend decades getting us accustomed to this degraded and degenerate state and they are not about to give our freedoms and status back. .................. not until wholesale summary executions of our ruling and financial elites takes place.
@@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc Very succintly put and in a very erudite way.
Relaxed? Nah, it was still very formal & only upper & middle classes flew then as it was still a luxury & out of the pocket for Fred Smith. In the 1970s I flew on the RAF Vicky's being in the Army & my very first flying was 1971 Brize Norton in a VC10. I flew my first easyJet & it was awful, terrible landings & take offs & more room on a town bus.
Ah the Boeing only aircraft company, they fully specified rxactly what they wanted the VC 10 to be, then when it was delivered didnt want it, placed no more orders.
Apparently the ten was a superb aircraft, quiet, powerful, huge lift from those swept back wings, but expensive to operate .
In 1960, The British Regulator refused to register new BOAC s 707-400s unless certain handling modifications were made. (Including the well-known ventral fin)
Boeing made the modifications and continued with the modifications on non-BOAC 707-400s including retrofitting ones already in service.
Fair call. That mod stopped many stacked airplanes. I think Boeing paid for the retrofit; dutch roll was the culprit?
2:18 Right out of James Bond from the sixties. Love the analog gadgets!
1964: „The cabin crew will be happy to serve you any drinks and cigarettes you may require.” 🥂🚬✈️😳
2024: * Sat in a very small seat, hungry, bankrupt by the cost of his ticket, waiting for the „Personal device and WiFi” light to come on… * 📱💸🙃
But out of curiosity (And to those who flew with BOAC): Were cigarettes a mostly complimentary item back in those days, or would they still have to be paid for separately? (As would be the case today, if smoking was still allowed on board. 😇)
Back then it was classy even for economy class.
Today's economy class should be put in travel cages before loading them onboard. The higher classes are potty trained (usually) and don't need to be in cages.
Because the price of Economy back then was equivalent to today’s Business Class. If you want that same experience today, you know what to do…
Serving you cocktails and lunch. Also drinks and cigarettes. 😂
The VC10 was also fast but thirsty. I remember flying to the States 20 years ago from Brize to Washington and the captain said if you look out of the window now you'll notice how slow that Airbus is travelling. ;-)
To Tokio via Frankfurt and other places but we see the Coliseum of Rome - the Victoria Falls and Rangoon gets a mention too.
I suspect errors on the cutting room floor or very poor navigation.
Not only that but it appears cocktails, lunch and afternoon tea were all going to be served on the LHR-FRA sector!
This all so twee and charming. Everyone so polite and well-dressed. Nowadays, it's drunken, tattooed, overweight chavs in cheap sports leisurewear throwing their considerable weight around and entitled Karens causing flights to be de-boarded, as tired and frustrated ground and flight crews quit in their hundreds. The Friendly Skies. Riiight...
A glimpse into a more "civilized" time.
I had to remind myself that in 1964 the Sydney Opera House did not exist - hence they showed the famous bridge.
Great music soundtrack!
composed and conducted by Johnny Dankworth
+John Eddy Thanks!
Thanks for posting this. A great reminder of a wonderful time, and a proud time for Britain.
The jet fighter of airliners lovely aircraft. Sadly misted😢
Настоящие железные самолёты + сервис которого никогда уже не будет😢 Это не ланчбоксы с пластмассовой едой 😂😂😂
5:41 Fishmuff.,,,mmm that sounds appealing.
That's a VC10 of BOAC a cracking aircraft, flew it to Sydney 1973
Via Beirut, Delhi, Bankok?
I flew in a Gulf Air VC10 from London to Beirut in 1975. Great airliner, great days back then.
The VC10 was a beautiful aircraft.✈✈💞
I joined the mile high club on a VC10, very noisy at the back though.
because of you or the plane????
I didn't hear a thing!
Marcos Estevan
Haha, i am in that club also on a 707 in 1989, while flying from San Francisco to Chicago with my girlfriend we just had to do it. We were both 18 just one day after my birthday. lol
Photos on sale here lol.
sure, all tail-engined planes are noisy near the engines, mainly because of the gears inside, whose vibrations transmit right into the cabin.
The Speys used on the BAC 1-11 were definitely louder than the Conways of the VC-10. However, the VC-10 had four engines and the 1-11 only had two.
However, the Trident had THREE Speys and I always think that the Trident was perhaps the loudest subsonic airliner of its day.
And the Nimrod had FOUR Speys. And yes, they were very load.
AMSTRONG VICKERS VC10 4 RollsRoyce conway 9.400kg empty x4 707 4pratt&whitnney jd-3 =6.500kg emty IL62M 4 PAVEL SOLOVYEV 11.000kg empty x4
I think trident also used APU on take off
I think the VC10 is still the fastest airliner bar Concorde?
Also Convair 440 was fast
@@user-ky6vw5up9m actually the convair 990 was
The gorgeous British VC-10 I can see where Gerry Anderson got his idea for fireflash ,why did BOAC publicly harm the aircraft it could of found a market along side the 707 and in the design stage was a double deck VC-10 imagine that
The VC10 harmed itself. It had an excellent short field performance because when it was specified, BOAC slated it for use at hot and high airports on their African routes. Some of those airports had fairly short runways so the VC10 was designed to be able to get in and out of those airports. What BOAC and Vickers didn't expect was that those airports would be modified to accept the more "normal" performing 707s and DC-8s so all that extra performance was not really needed. And the great take off performance came at a cost in economics of operation.
Anyone else notice Patrick Macnee as the First Officer?
wow I thankyou amillion 4 this the first jet I ever flew was ETHIOPIAN B720, thanks a million 4 posting sir!
Yes, the VC-10 certainately is a beautiful aircraft...in flight..on the tarmac...beautiful
What about film footage of the BOAC VC10 at Chilaka airport Blantyre Malawi, it landed there twice a week for some years.
Pilots I spoke with had good things to say about the VC-10. Unfortunately I never got to fly on one myself. If I remember correctly, the VC-10 was the very first airliner to be landed automatically by a remote control system in 1969.
+Stratus 262J
Wrong - it was the DH Trident, can't remember the year but I suspect it was earlier than 1969
No think that was the Trident, the first aircraft to use auto landing via ILS.
Trident, yes! British aviation when it was something to be proud of.
The utterly terrible screaming intro music!!
The yanks should play that din at Guantanamo Bay, it's guaranteed to get a confession.
No fancy devices or IFE back in those early day's, but they all coped with what they've got !
That VC-10 was among the loudest, perhaps the loudest, aircraft ever put into commercial service.
The BAC 1-11 was another plane with that crackling, very deafening roar of a jet noise.
However, the noise of a 707 taking off is something I could bear. Definitely not as loud as the other two.
I miss all of these aircraft though.
What you probably don't know -no offence to you meant- is that both the VC10, the Trident and the BAC 1-11 were exceedingly quiet INSIDE. Which really did matter to passengers and made a world of difference, esp. when flying long distance. Yes, granted, they were super noisy outside, but so were ALL jets back then. The B707, however classy and gracious, was not only noisy outside, but also inside!!..ohh, those rattly Boeing panels... anyone remembers those?? British built jets felt so solid and rattle free instead...
I flew the VC-10. Was not louder than any newer aircraft.
samibar5555 Outside the cabin in was louder than 707 or DC-8..
Dakfab VC-10, Trident and BAC-111 all failed in global markets...
I flew on one in 1972 from new York to London and I don't recall it being loud.
I find Boeing 777s loud.
So civilised. Unheard of these days. Flying is an uncomfortable shambles.
I flew a hushkitted BOAC B707 from San Francisco to Fiji in December 1967. I recall many British schoolchildren on board going to join families for Christmas in Fiji. Don't recall it being that formal.
I enjoyed my time in beautiful Fiji
. ⛱️😎
Loved flying First Class back then (still do but certainly not even close to the same except Internationally). My favorite aircraft to fly on was the 707. It still maintains a special place in my heart. My favorite to fly today is the 747 and so happy that Lufthansa still flys them. Sadly, though, BA inflight service has taken a nose dive and IMHO, I’ve come to think of BA as ... Best Avoided. 😕
beautiful video =)
They loaded something called fishmuff at: 5:41
They also loaded an elephant at 5:15-25! (The crate looked very small but you can't have an elephant moving and shifting weight in cargo. Hope they restrained the crate well. -- Also hope it wasn't too long a flight for that elephant!
That makes sense, sort of like the old DC-9 except bigger ,faster more fun to watch...lol Worst airliner I ever rode in was was Vickers VANGUARD. noisy,vibrating buzzy. set yer teeth on edge . It was on Air Canada Montreal to N.Y. So different than the Vicount which was none of those things.
I think the viscount holds some record for sales. It had enormous passenger windows.
@@user-ky6vw5up9m It is the best selling British built airliner - 444 made.
What is it with these presentations and wind instruments? it's always wind instruments.
Great vid,,,I used to see VC10's fly over Twickenham UK,,,there is one at Duxford Museum very impressive,,Thanx for a great vid,,
A private VC10 is at Brooklands and a RAF tanker at Dunsfold
They (VC10) flew with the RAF untill only a few years ago, around 40yrs... That is a testimonial to British engineering!
Later they discovered problems with the fan blades and when one engine went it would take the other with it being in close proximity along with the hydraulics. It spelled doom for the future of the VC10.
Flew on BOAC VC-10 New York to London and 707 Montreal to Manchester via Prestwick. Still remember the delicious strawberry tart in the early 70s.
Good ole BOAC, and the 707 as a young child I'd fly alone to spend the summer with my father in London, and I used to take BOAC 707 jet service and was treated like a king flying alone, the air hostess as they were called looked after me as if I was one of thier children.
Many of the middle-aged pilots of this era had first flown in WW2 when they were young men.
That VC 10 was a beauty
The Rolls-Royce Conway was the world's first bypass turbofan engine. Not only did BOAC use it on its 707s and VC-10s, but Air Canada and Canadian Pacific Airlines used it on their Douglas DC-8s.
low bypass turbofan I might add, loud and gas guzzling at the same time ,American rivals were ahead of R-R in high bypass turbofan.
@@barracuda7018 The Conway was the first bypass jet to be used on an airliner. As has been said, it was a low bypass engine. The Pratt and Whitney JT3D used on most 707s and DC-8s were also low bypass.
@@EricIrl Yes but I was referring to high bypass turbofan engines. Both GE and Pratt&Whitney developed one before Rolls Royce..
@@barracuda7018 That was a later generation. GE and PW developed their high bypass turbofans as part of the bid for the USAF large military transport - which became the C5 Galaxy. Rolls Royce didn't have the luxury of a large military contract to help fund their development of large high bypass turbofans so they were operating on a slower time line. They also hampered themselves by trying to use carbon fibre for the fan blades, which nearly put them under. However, their engine, the RB211 eventually turned out to be an excellent engine and both Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed all offered the RB211 as an engine option on their wide bodies.
The Conway was used on the VC-10, 707, DC-8, Nimrod and Victor so it was a successful and good engine in its own right. However, its roots dated back to the late 1940s so was a very early jet which, by the mid 1960s, was being outperformed by later designs.
100 707s in two years the British manufacturers would have had 2000 committee meetings 10 strikes and produced 20 aircraft that's why the USA had total domance over the British manufacturers and no I'm not American
"No we look after baggage and all meals are provided on this flight."
Today that would be "You're on your own, good luck!"
All delightful. Pretty sure I saw the words "Fishmuff" on one of the boxes being loaded. Ought to be highlighted.
What genre of music would the intro be?
Orchestral Jazz, Jazz-Pop
When he asked her what class she wanted to fly and she said she wanted to fly economy I expected the old British chap to reply you mean steerage don't you...?
So they still have the same blackboard that they had in 1957, I wonder when they got rid of it.
What registration is this plane G-APFE crashed in Japan
kubla777 : yes APFE was the registration of the 707, that crashed in 1966 on Fuji.
before they knew about flush rivets!
@DickieCo2, today's jets use engines that create more power using less fuel.
Love the music. Is it Johnny Dankworth again?
well it says Johnny Dankworth in the titles at the beginning so i would guess yes
Good to old British efficiency in action..... Don't seem that's much anymore.
I love these videos such Nostalgia just takes you back
Wow love the teleprinter just like grandstand football results
Long time, i veing seven years
3.19 Announcer really does sound like the Queen!
One of these 707s on the Tokyo round disintegrated over Mount Fuji.
That was a 747, Japan Airlines Flight 123.JAL never operated the 707 aircraft.
Jasper Van Der Blint
It was a BOAC flight 911. The James Bond film crew missed that flight because they wanted to see some Ninja fight or something else. It crashed on the fifth of March 1966.
It was registered G-APFE
The 747 crashed in the 90s if my memory serves me right.
Peter Bradshaw Yes Peter, you are correct, I stand corrected.
Jasper Van Der Blint
You are quite a gentleman. I had better recheck my facts. Talking off the top of my head is a dangerous activity:)
Peter Bradshaw Never get on a flight if the # 911 is involved.
Great from Brazil
Über den Wolken ...
And here we are almost 50 years later not getting there any faster, and with less leg room!
And flying with wild animals seated next to you.
I thought this was a London to Frankfurt?
Flying today is no more exciting than a bus ride. We have become a faded, jaded bunch.
Cheap flights gives you a cheap standard. Ive flew easyJet Edinburgh - Bristol for £44 return, but 55mins was too long in cramped seating. Can't imagine doing 3 hours or more.
@@seltaeb9691Take a bus? It's cheaper and less cramped😂😂
I'm amazed that BOAC wasted so much time and money on those obsolete old British jets. The damn things were out of date when they were rolling off the assembly line.
The problem with the VC-10 was not that it was obsolete. In fact, it's performance exceeded the 707 and DC-8 in many areas. However, the great performance meant its seat per mile costs were higher, making it less attractive commercially. Technically, it was very advanced for its time.
@@EricIrl cost per mile was a fallacy. BA Chairman was interviewed decade's later and admitted that the VC 10 was more cost efficient.
You are obviously miss informed, or should I say.. Talking shit. The VC (after concorde) was the fasted Airliner in the world and far ahead of its time. It was still flying with the Royal airforce until around 2010.
BOAC..excelente línea aérea..
much more civilized then!
I remember being fascinated by the daisy shaped exhaust of the BOAC 707 as a child. I remember getting off the plane as a child and I wanted to run behind the engine to check it out, but of course they wouldn't let me.
I was 14 on my first 707-138 flight. Point of interest was the Pratt decal on the nacelle “Dependable Aircraft Engines” under the eagle. And the blue fug of ciggy haze down the cabin. And Qantas service way, way back in the day. Attractive stewardesses loving their job.
Wow, when I was a child, me too. But the plane was an Electra II from Varig... huge props
@@waya2378They tended to disintegrate in mid flight!!😢😢
@@waynehentley4332 not here in Brazil. The electras was a sucess plane over 32 years until 1992.
@@waya2378 Go to Google and you will see!
I think Linda and Ted have a thing going on!
these planes crashed a lot
Hahaha, of course..
Must have been pretty sturdy though, tolerating several crashes, haha! :-D
John Texas well kind of
Easy Sounds :)
Cl4rendon (*-*)
high pollution and noise was a problem with these early airliners
colonel kurtz That's music, not noise.
The VC-10 had a serious range problem in addition to the incredible fuel usage. It was an excellent aircraft for trips to the commonwealth countries in Africa. It could use non concrete/asphalt runways, it was fine for some African hot and high airports, but it didn't sell very well because it wasn't as large as it's competition (DC-8, 707) and in many cases it was considered underpowered. Later on the three engine aircraft had superior range and fuel economy, like the L-1011 and DC-10.
It was indeed LOUD, and that appeals to aviation nuts like myself, the roar sounds cool to me.
Bobby Paluga As you say, the VC-10 was designed primarily with one customer in mind (BOAC,) to fulfill their order to fly from hot and high airports. I don't think it was underpowered; the problem was it was was too thirsty. By the time it was delivered, many of the airports that it was designed specially for (typically in Africa) had further developed their airports and having "hot and high" specialized aircraft was redundant when the B707 and DC-8 could now operate without restrictions thanks to longer and improved runways, etc. Unlike the B707, the VC-10 was limited in the improvements that could be made to the airframe and engines, and without sales, of course, further development meant improvements required resources that Vickers didn't have. BUT...by all accounts, the VC-10 was a passenger-friendly and comfortable airliner, if nothing else because of the engines being at the tail. My father flew a VC-10 from Manchester to New York/JFK as late as 1977, certainly toward the end of the VC-10 in their BOAC/British Airways career. He has fond memories of that experience! Certainly there are not many aircraft as elegant as the VC-10, but unfortunately those qualities didn't equate to sales.
+Bobby Paluga, Vickers would later build the Super VC-10 for BOAC's trans-Atlantic network.
I 've also heard that their engines were fixed near the tail so they used to develop cracks, is that correct ??