WWSD2021 - Complete Lower
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
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The WWSD project continues to progress, and in this case we now have complete lowers, along with complete carbines. The WWSD2021 complete lower is another evolution in the WWSD endeavor, with the most significant element being the next phase of the SLT-1 FGG: the Rekluse.
I purchased a stripped KP15 lower. I have had it for several months now. I couldn't be happier with it. I have been thinking about buying a complete lower this time since I used all my spare parts in the last one.
For me, the biggest benefit of the SLT-1 is the fact I can do rapid fire dry fire practice with it. The trigger doesn’t technically self-reset, but it does reset against the sear, so you get a trigger pull feel every time even though it’s not dropping a hammer or anything. Great way to practice while conserving Ammo or in your home without having to go to a range.
Meh. Non resetting triggers mean I also get in manipulation practice too
@@MyLonewolf25 it’s definitely not the same. With the SLT, I can feel the “click” when the trigger breaks against the sear every time, and also the click when it resets as I let the trigger go. The trigger pull with the hammer down and back are identical as measured by trigger gauge, so you get the exact same feel with every pull.
I got the SIRT bolt which is a bit of a pain to switch in (piece of cake to switch out) for the trigger reset + laser dot.
@@jimmytehgeek what are you thoughts on the SIRT Bolt vs the new SIRT rifle simulator that uses the pistol for the laser and fire control group? I already have a SIRT Pistol.
Thank you
No trigger will ever convince me that the Hiperfire isn't the best possible AR trigger.
I have two of the lowers. If you want a dedicated lower for rifle/carbine and don’t need the modularity of the traditional type lower, they are superior.
The SLT-1 triggers are the best triggers I’ve used - they’ve given me the best groups when testing/zeroing out to 600 yards (I don’t do any bench shooting) and are the fastest when I’ve run cqb drills. They have done fantastic for hunting. I am also a big believer in the reliability benefits of the sealed system and believe that the ability to engage the safety regardless of weapon condition is a benefit for the majority of people.
I’ve been watching the WWSD2020 store page on Brownells for months now, waiting to get a full rifle so I could have the buttplate and pdq lever for a full WWSD build, instead of buying the other lower options available. This product is exactly the kind of thing I needed. Cheers to the guys at Brownells/KE for thinking of selling this.
I'm happy I pre-ordered upon announcement. I have one of the first 50.
Not sure where in the food chain I fell, but I did get mine a few weeks ago and I was very impressed with it.
@@mpeugeot when did you place your pre-order if I can ask?
@@onemellofahess probably in January 2020, right after the announcement. 1/22/2020 and it arrived in early April 2021.
@@mpeugeot so it took over a year to fulfill?
@@onemellofahess yes, but it wasn't supposed to be until 2nd quarter 2020 before the nCoV-2019 hit.
Can we get a western hat review??! I'd love to know the difference in the hats you've worn and what you thing of western hats through the years.
Great concept ... living in Scotland, I can only wistfully say: "If only...."
:-(
Come visit the states when the pandemonium has subsided and do some shooting at a rental range! If I were your CPA I'd let you call it a "therapewdic" expense. 😉
How far the mighty have fallen. I sure hope we don’t follow suit.
Well, I'm Scottish, and when the world stops ending, I intend to build a WWSD2020 for airsoft, it'll be epic
I got a JP silent capture spring last year for my spikes carbine and man it's made a huge difference.
I got an assembled lower with the SLT-1 and I couldn’t be happier! Super glad to get in on it and the lower is a huge hit with everyone that I’ve gone shooting with so far.
Love these videos. We was only taught to clean and strip these. Now I want to be able to ground up one. From forge to range, these videos are essential. Thank you.
It’s $799 on the brownells site after you search for “wwsd 2021” in the brownells search bar. Solid value for the components, time saved, and current market.
It’s also red so it’s faster
DIS HUMIE IS PROPPA SMART
Truth!!
Hello Karl, it's good to see you guys working on a product that benefits the community and hopefully leads to further innovation. I would hope that when you do these kinds of videos that unavoidable disclosure of your financial gains becuse of your involvement is more prevalent.
Bought two. I’ve completed one that has come in at 5.4 lbs, no issues assembling or in functionality. Shout out to all the folks pumping these out.
Love to see the project evolving, are we going to see more videos like the 2017 project? Still seems like we’re missing a series of videos on various red dot options. You guys settled on the Trijicon TR24 in one video and then jumped to a Holosun red dot in the conclusion.
Also I want a handgun version of this project! It’s great hearing from someone who understands the mechanics, pros/cons of various parts, vs the chorus of bad information online
I wonder how many preorders there were. Love channel and hope the "little bit" they get from sales of WWSD branded products helps the content to continue to flow.
I'm sure that "little bit" is a lot a bit. None of my business though, as I'm not a patron.
The SLT1 does not work with the MCX (I tried) but the Rekluse does!
Excellent!
My friend also confirmed that the Rare Breed FRT doesn’t fit in the KP15, for those that care.
1 or 2 stage? I have the SIG 2 stage. Is it better?
I didn't pre-order or anything. But I just want to say thank you for all the people that did, because you SHUT DOWN your pre-orders until u fufill your back order customers. Desert Tech could learn something from you.
That's the sort of honesty and transparency that should be defining the industry
Title: *exists*
Thumbnail: *has the title in it*
Me: *sleep deprived and not bothering to pay attention* "Is that a pistol with a full rifle stock built in?"
Coming later this year: the 125th anniversary edition C96 Mauser, in 5.7x28mm.
Just stick a laser sight and some extended mags then you could sell that as a tactical handgun
One thing that might be nice in a future iteration is fencing around the port side mag release. We use a similar ambi mag release in the CF and it's a big source of lost magazines on patrols.
Still waiting on my WWSD2020 to come in, but the wait isn’t an issue. I’m just happy I got the order in before they stopped taking them.
To me, the highlight of the video was where you said new pre-orders were suspended due to backlog. It would have been so easy to keep taking them.
I also found myself wondering how well that hunk of German space magic would do with Tula or Wolf ammo. 🧐
I’m really glad y’all did this I was only interested in a completed lower.
Bought my KP-15 lower a few months ago, and I love it. Currently running it with a 16" 300BLK upper.
It took me way too long to realise that the lower actually doesn't have an upper when it's sitting on the table and that the upper is a separate piece behind it
Me too!!
“That rifle looks kinda odd”...
...picks up the upper separately
Oooohhhhh
Bro....
wuuuuuuuuuut.....
@@manitoba-op4jx lighten up champ
Good info on the fire control group. Thanks !
I never thought I'd be excited about a polymer lower.
I've got the wwsd2020 lower mated to a CMMG 9mm RDB 16" upper. Love it. The new lower sounds even (very slightly) better.
We are with you In Range!
I love this project, and I'm glad you're sticking with it.
Well crud, I wend and bought a stripped KP15 lower and have been piecing it together ... I shoulda just waited for this :p
I bought a "milspec" and a bare to build up. Looks like I'll be buying a 3rd it seems. Is the rekluse available with the flat, slt2 style trigger?
Radically new business concept here: Prioritizing customers who have already paid over customers whose money you have yet to take.
Glock should take notice!
I bought two of the stripped blem FDE KP-15's ($88) and they are neat. I can see the few blem spots, but function, fit, and finish are great. I threw a .22 upper on one and a 300blk on the other. I would grab one if you are on the fence. The FDE looks really neat with a black upper. Tanks for letting us know what was different on the new KE trigger.
Thanks Karl! Always a pleasure to see you've posted!
Rich.
You are right, you will have to try to get dirt and debris in there, in your next mud test.
damn the KP-15 looks Really nice with the HK upper, but I assume it's front heavy AF
Yeah, it’s terrible.
Couldn't get the full rifle because it is NOT NJ compliant (can't wait to retire and move to AZ), but bought the fully ambi (EXCEPT that it did NOT have a PDQ...bought the PDQ separately and had my gunsmith install it) WWSD 2020 lower and put a BCM 16" upper on it. I LOVE this lower! The BCM upper is "nice", but it's no Faxon pencil barrel with CF handguard. You guys have made a rifle that Eugene Stoner would be proud to've inspired!
From Australia and just curious, what about it makes the BCM ok and the WWSD not ok according to the law?
@@jameshealy4594 ours (New Jersey) was the blueprint for our, thankfully, sunset National AWB so the reasons were cosmetic. The BCM was available as a separate item, whereas I could only buy the Faxon upper as part of the rifle. Both had the fatal flaw of having a flash hider which was also easily removed, but, I could have the lower sent to an FFL (Federal Firearms Licensed dealer) and, since the upper is NOT a firearm, I could legally have it sent to me. My FFL would NOT touch an illegal arm no matter how much he likes me, but the lower was fully legal. Before I could legally install the upper on the lower, I had to have the flash hider replaced with a muzzlebrake and pinned and welded.
@@CountieLt25 I'm not saying our laws are better than yours, but they do sort of... make sense at least, from some perspectives...
Thanks for the detailed reply, it's always fascinating to me to learn another nuance of culture from across the globe.
@@jameshealy4594 NJ's gun laws make little, if any, sense. They were OK until the AWB; shotguns, rifles and pistols were adequately defined and the laws were not confusing. I'm a police officer with over 30 years of service and I've found numerous prosecutors, not to mention officers, who are confused by our laws. The best wasn't even in the law. It was a "clarification" issued by our Attorney General that describes a prohibited shotgun as being an autoloading SG with a pistol grip "that allows it to be fired one-handed like a pistol"! I want so much for the fellow who wrote that to demonstrate with a 12ga autoloader! The problem is that the folks who write the laws and the prosecutors have little to no practical firearms knowledge.
Has there been any consideration of some sort of cutoff point or timeframe where the complete rifles would be updated to the 2021 “standard”?
I picked up two completed lowers couple of months ago. They’re awesome!
Truly love your lowers, now even better, thx for the vid.
I used to be able to buy the Lake City 5.56 you shot here in bulk for about $0.20-$0.26 per round (ah, memories). I went through close to 2500 rounds with 3 ARs that had a Franklin Armory binary trigger, a CMMG mil spec trigger, and a Geissle SAE trigger, respectively. I never once had issues with light primer strikes or failures to ignite, shooting in ~90°F to ~20°F temperatures. I've never heard of an issue with hardened primers. A friend of mine has an MR556 upper on a Spikes lower, also with a Geissle trigger, and he hasn't had any issues with the firing pin safety on that. Other people's milage may vary, but I haven't heard of a problem that the Recluse would specifically solve
Really looking forward to mine
WWSD is awesome
If you could go back in time with this.. there would be a lot more GIs returning from east Asia. .. really impressive use of modern evolved material and processes.. fantastic that the magazine well flare is just one added extra....
If uncle sam hadnt cheaped out on the powder type for the rounds, theyd have been more returning home. That was the main problem, not so much the gun.
@@John_Redcorn_ it screwed over JMB's pre garand primer actuated self loading rifle many many years ago too.
Thanks Karl, I’ll seriously consider that trigger.
Really quite like how that hk upper looks with the monolithic lower
It’s absolutely terrible in balance. Do not recommend.
@@InrangeTv it’s made of Franco-Teutonic magic steel, and is (in my opinion) the exact opposite path of the WWSD in terms of philosophy. “Make it durable no matter what, damn the consequences” (thus you get 14.5 inch barreled carbines at 7.69 pounds stock, unloaded, which is a little bit over a pound over the weight of a colt 653)
That trigger is tempting. I have the SLT-1 in my KP-15 and while it's excellent, even with some modification I get occasional light strikes with my .22 conversion. (I know they say there are compatibility issues there, but I've gotten it to work pretty well by lightening the firing pin spring and polishing the conversion parts)
I am using cmmg dedicated rimfire barrel and carrier and have had no light strikes with ~750 rounds. Got a "basic" milspec lower with awful trigger under it though.
What 22 kit are you running?
This is the type of bespoke gun nerding-out that I appreciate. Brightly colored anodizing or cerakote, skeletonizing every single part for "weight" beyond all practicality, making a Glock cost $2500, that shit can all take a hike.
Beautiful
I bought the complete lower. I’m gonna put a Brownells retro proto upper on it. With the trigger top charging handle & triangle guards. It’s gonna be cool.
I just got a few of these lowers unpopulated for my own WWSD build....NICE!!!!!
When the video started I was very confused as to how and why the upper coming out the front of the mag well.
What a gentleman for halting pre orders. Hopefully that is a sign that the rifle is a successful business proposition.
Those HK uppers always have such a unique thicc look to them. Makes for a very cool looking rifle.
I'm still excitedly awaiting my fde lower. I've got the upper all done.
Big cool!
I can't wait to get my next stimulus check so I can buy one of these.
Can't wait to try the Rekluse, had to swap my SLT1 out for a Geissele in my WWSD AR10 because it wouldn't fire surplus ammo reliably.
Ironic that I got my package from KE Arms today with the last of the little stuff I wanted to complete my lower. I ordered a stripped lower in FDE on Brownell’s right after they posted the pre-order. Picked it up oh a month or 2 ago now. For now I’ll just have to test it with a regular 16” M4 upper I have handy. But still can’t wait. Eventually I have a lightweight fixed front sight base 16” barrel on an A1 upper planned. For light and simple.
Karl,watching your outdoors video is kinda comfy,like homie experience
You still need to run the ultimate stress test for the lower - give it to marines. There may be chew marks on it when you get it back though
Little carbines growing up. Sweet!
Very good explanation, thank you.
Man I bought 3 lowers for builds because I couldnt pre-order the full rifle and started buying the parts to make the lowers into the WWSD lowers, wish I would have known this was coming out.
Your channel has the coolest branded merch.
Awesome as always
The 15 rds of 5.56 in the thumbnail are worth as much as the lower
I wish
I’m such a sucker for H&K.
Suggestion: Place the rounded rail cover at the bottom and the slim straight ones on the sides of the handguard. Usually that's more comfortable.
I know it's just a useful prop available for demonstrating the issue of uppers using firing pin springs/safeties causing Failure-to-fire issues with the SLT-1, but the idea of putting the MR556 upper on the KE ARMS WWSD lower is just silly; lol, they're so heavy.
Oh it’s a terrible configuration.
That is a very thorny background.
What is that Evil Bush called?
Ocotillo
I love my FDE KP-15 lower
Patreon members paid for that $20 mag dump.
Not that you guys need more demand, but as a refuge from ca. A striped lower would actually be legal to sell in ca.
Getting guns behind enemy lines is a big deal
Nice stuff.
Brownells germany listet them with a 650€ price tag.
Hopefully my wife likes them, too!
:D
If only there was a storage compartment in the buttstock, I'd be completely sold. I understand why there can't be one though.
Uh...this has one.
Rekluse works with 22 adapters such as the CMMG if you're like me and try to burn rimfire for practice
That MR 556 upper looks good on the WWSD21 lower...
I wish the KE ARMS triggers had normal trigger bows
I got mine!
Looking forward to the trap doors being available
nice
Nice upgrades.
Almost makes me wish I'd waited to put together my 'kinda-sorta' knockoff/improved go-to rifle. Used an empty KP-15 and populated it out with a combination of stuff I wanted and stuff I could get, trigger is baseline military (that I plan to replace eventually, when circumstances allow), also have the trapdoor plate and an idea I started to use after I first saw dad's KP-15 lowers, KNS Precision takedown and pivot pins. I decided that since the pins on lower are not captive, I wanted to minimize the chances of them coming out unexpectedly, so the KNS locking pins fit the bill nicely and are long enough to work with the KP-15. It makes it a little more annoying to field strip, but I figure if I need to that in a hurry, I'm in a real world of hurt.
As for the upper, I used one of the Aero M4E1 enhanced uppers that removes the need to time the barrel nut as it connects to the handguard using a forged boss that is part of the upper. It limits rails choices a bit, but I was fine with that. The real problem was/is the barrel. I wanted the Faxon 20" gunner but my back order on that currently has an estimated ship date of June 2022 (and has been scooting steadily back for two months). In order to have a functioning rifle sometime this year, I compromised for the time being and found a Faxon 16" gunner with midlength gas system. I plan on swapping the barrels when/if the 20" shows up and building dad an upper using the 16" and some spare parts I've gathered since he has a shortage of modern twist barreled ARs. At least for now, I do have a nice handy carbine, even though I tend to favor full 20" rifles.
Looking foward to the day when I can take possession of a new wwsd rifle.
Don't mind me, just feeding the algorithm.
Have you looked at the JAG composites handguards? They weigh close to half of the Faxon ones, although you only get MLOK on 4 sides instead of all 8. The finish around the edges may not be 100% perfect, but they seem pretty well made to me. It seems to be a lot smaller operation than Faxon though, so I don't know how much they would be able to pump out fast. They might send you a sample to torture if you ask.
I ordered two of the WWSD stripped lowers (partly because I wanted the SLT-2) and assembled a ground-up AR with one with the 14.5" Faxon pencil barrel and permanently attached flash hider with the JAG handguard mated to an Aero slick side upper. It is one exceptionally handy rifle even with a Holosun 512c, 3x magnifier, plastic handstop and TLR-1 HL.
You've all put out a fantastic product, something to be proud of even if it hadn't sold at all. I have a feeling this is only the (new) beginning for the monolithic polymer lower.
Just saw it on brownells. I will order one but first ... german gunlaws ... -.- Just buying one and installing it is just not possible :(
But as soon as everything is sorted out I will get one.
Triggertech is nice too.
After the first WWSD project, but before the 2021 version, I decided to make my own. Unfortunately I made my decision to do this after all of the GWACS receivers disappeared from the market but before the WWSD 2021 announcement. I embarked on my own build on an aluminum lower and attempted to use as many of the same parts as the WWSD as I could, changing only to save weight. My total build was just a little bit heavier. My upper setup is actually lighter in a few areas. Recently, I purchased a blemished KP-15 lower and made it into a WWSD lower, and have attached the upper I made. It works great, and I am very happy. When installing the PDQ bolt catch, I found that I had to file down the inside of the right hand control pad a bit to allow for clearance of the extra wall thickness that the kp-15 lower has. Otherwise it rubs against the wall and gets stuck. Not much filing was needed, and a little paint afterwards will stop any corrosion. Its better to file the lever and leave as much material on the KP-15 as possible rather than the other way around as those KP-15 walls are structural.
In case you want to do something like this here is a nice parts list to check out:
(Please note, I am not in the business of firearms in any way - I am a mechanic for a living)
Vsevens enlightened upper receiver (no forward assist)
Vsevens ultralight ar-15 port door with ultralight rod and spring
Vsevens titanium barrel nut
Vsevens magnesium hyperlight handguard (M-LOK) with titanium screws, you choose the length you want, I went with 15 inch.
Alternatively, consider Smoke Composites carbon fiber handguards.
Faxon 16 inch pencil barrel
Faxon complete lightweight bolt carrier, I got mine in chameleon, you choose your own adventure here.
SLR rifle works titanium adjustable gas block
Vsevens extreme environment gas tube
Odin Works Atlas 5 compensator
For the division I am wanting to compete in, iron sights are required, so I'm using Troy iron sights for now.
With the exception of the compensator and the gas tube virtually everything else listed is lighter than the WWSD upper parts.
For the lower:
While I like the aluminum lower I built up, the KP-15 lower in WWSD 2021 config is just better. All told, my entire KP-15 based WWSD rifle with an empty magazine weighs less than just the complete upper on my normal AR.
There are two downsides:
1) If you have a spouse/SO, you will need to make 2 so you can have one too.
2) If your buddies shoot it, its gonna be hard to get it back for practice at the range.
The PDQ ambi bolt release being installed is a big win for the complete lower. Taking a dremel to your lower to fit a part kinda sucks, so it's nice that it's already done for you.
Now contemplating upgrading the trigger...an extra $70 on top of an already pricey trigger.
Make sure you don’t order the “mil-spec” complete lower. It is not milled for the PDQ. It was the only one Brownells is showing at the moment.
Yay I can finally replace my Anderson lower.
I love what you are doing with this but I've been sticking to more standard internals in my kp15 wwsd inspired builds. The 18" dmr is serving well with the local county sheriff's department and the 24" 224 valkyrie long range precision rifle is being put together slowly
I had a feeling the REKLUSE was going to be used in the next iteration, so I bought one as soon as I knew about it.
Karl, I was thinking that since one of the selling points of the Young Manufacturing hard chromed BCG was the recoil lug, isn't the logical next step to make a monolithic BCG with an integral gas key? I know it can be done, at least one company has.
Am I the only one who thinks that it is a little crazy that we are still using a bunch of levers and springs to physically strike a chemical primer?
I think its time to move on to an electrical ignition.
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Not reliable
@@EminemLovesGrapes
yes, i am aware of that design. But that design is 20 years old. I‘m pretty sure with the advancements in material and fabrication technology and maybe more determination, someone can come up with a much more resilient system.
Kind of like they did with full polymer lower recievers ;)
@@Locklear33 looking for a solution for a problem that didn't exist was the point of that video
Good news everyone!
Does it tend to working with 7.62x39?
Any chance of a WWSD AR 10 lower some day?
No
Well, Guess I should feel lucky that my flintlock from Veteran Arms only took 14 weeks to ship. I kinda expected it to take even longer after your review of the blunderbuss came out 2 days after I ordered it.
Im looking forward to getting my wwsd2020