You mean reliable firearms contrary to the amazingly antique weapons found today is surprisingly good conditions that he so beautifully presents to all of us to awe and gawk away 🥲👀😅 jk btw Idk how to feel about this butt stock (kinda reminds me of a modern M16A1)
Best tactic would be to walk in quietly and say "what is the best handgun and why", perfect sabotage, they'll be discussing for hours as your platoon sneaks around them and picks up a few interesting facts.
All Ians in unison: Welcome to forgotten helmets... Welcome to forgotten ships... Welcome to forgotten handgrenades... Welcome to forgotten tanks... Welcome to forgotten uniforms..
@@jonniez62 I'm imagining that bit in "come and see" where the kids are digging up old rifles to join the partisans with. But instead of it being the most horrifying moments in film, it's just Ian talking about pre war Soviet design choices.
Narrator: here we can see an "ian" outside of his natural habitats (e.g. auctions houses, museums and fire places), nowadays, due to the endangered of their ecosystem, you can find one in matches too. As we can appreciate in the minutes 0:35, 8:09 or 8:54 he is raising up his tail to show dominance to the other males and also to seek a viable partner among any female he may find. This is a rare opportunity to see such an outstanding demeanor.
@@giuliannochiarelli151 as someone that is a native English speaker, your prose and writing was absolutely fantastic! Keep it up; you're doing amazingly well!
That moment when you realize you're no longer watching the antiques roadshow and instead are watching the home shopping network but you keep watching anyway because the narrator is captivating.
**In David Attenborough voice** “As we can see here a wild Ian is trying to impress the female by hitting shots and lifting up his tactical dump pouch.”
I bought a stripped KP15 lower and put a LaRue MBT AND Radian Talon in it and had big problems. From my research I knew this was a possibility. Thankfully, I'm local here in PHX so I sent KE Arms an email just asking if they had seen my particular problem before. They replied within 90 minutes and offered to take a look at it if I drove down to see them, which I gladly did. There was just something off in the geometry between the Talon drum at the provided KE Arms selector detent. They (Russell himself) offered to drill it out on the spot. As the situation was simply not doable any other way, I said to go ahead. Russell then installed the KE selector and function tested it: perfect. When I tried to pay him the at least $150 worth of parts and labor, he said "just tell your friends to use our parts in our lower please". So here I am USE THE KE ARMS PARTS IN THE KP15 LOWER!!!
I decided to spring for the KE Arms LPK just b/c saving a few bucks wasn't enough upside to payoff the risk of running into stuff like that. I wish I'd waited to pull the trigger on the trigger purchase, though. I'd have gone for the Rekluse. I'm sure the SLT will be good and reliable.
A cardboard reinforced, cast elmer's glue receiver with welded chicken wire as free-floating handguard? Or would the Elbonians keep wasting resources engraving officer's models for party leaders 'till the bitter end?
Probably an AR-15 in 7.62x39 cartridge (not the best available nowdays) that takes AK mags (removes the more ergonomic AR button mag release feature) and has many rails which make it heavy and some easily breakable flimsy adjustable stock.
Pretty sure the Elbonians now use that model of AK that Ian reviewed where the parts fly off when you shoot it. They would also use Chinese Mystery Pistols as side arms. "In order to save on costs, the Elbonians purchased AK parts kits instead of completed rifles. Each soldier was required to assemble his own AK. The Elbonians had no standard side-arm. Instead, they imported a series of surplus Chinese pistols. As it was impossible to identify the model of each pistol, much less find spare parts or manufacturer new ones, each Elbonian officer always carried several of them on his person."
Smart move on Brownells part getting rifles out the door while the market is still hot. I really lake the idea of the PDQ lever and would add one when I get the rifle.
The nice thing about the modularity of the platform is that all the "econo" choices can be upgraded as funds allow. You can go base model and then piece-by-piece improve the rifle.
@@jarink1 10% federal excise tax. Plus with Brownells, there is their No Questions Asked warranty for life (you're paying someone's salary + overhead). Plus WWSD engraving on upper. On principle, if I had money, I'd get WWSD2021 lower + upper separate (CA gun laws ban sale of "assault weapons"), make it fin-grip compliant, then swap in original WWSD2017 parts like ACH handle.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 Eh, 600ish plus shippingis a more realistic goal. Cheapest railed PSA upper at the moment is 400, plus 110 for the lower, 30 for cheapo sights off amazon or ali, spend that last 60 on LPK and a buffer/spring.
The price difference is definitely greater than the performance difference between this and the full on WWSD2020, was definitely a great choice to put this into market.
I was a cavarms owner years ago and have been following the what would Stoner do project from the beginning and I must say you guys nailed it I mean everything was so meticulously analyzed I'm sure Eugene would approve. On another note I'm just in the midst of waiting for the finishing touches to arrive for my version of the what would Stoner do rifle I guess you could call it an enhanced civil defense version. I already weighed mine with all of the components the optic and the rear sight came in at 5 lb dead even. Compared to my government model 20 inch A4 it is a featherweight. A friend of mine has a 16 inch carbine I believe it's a Ruger 556, his weighs in at 8 lb he said it was light and then he picked up mine and it just blew his mind.
I couldn't afford the WWSD. So I put together everything myself. It's the exact same build as this. Haha. I have the Brownells chrome carrier (not the YM/KE) and an adjustable block though. I got everything from KE besides the BCG, barrel (still a Faxon 16" pencil), and gas block.
@@johnstacy7902 yep. My was a couple hundred cheaper, but at the same time not professionally installed and no warranty. If they were selling it for $900 I'd say it's a good deal for keeping a "factory warranty". $1200 makes sense since they just started making certain things and acquired YM, so they need to start making some $$ back.
As a person who hates Just as Gooders, I'd call this the "Good Enough WWSD, Rifle," which is fairly similar to the one I cobbled together out of a Gen 1 Cavarms Lower, a slick side upper, skeletonized M-Lok Rail, and a Faxon Barrel; same weight (stripped) and a very nimble but functional rifle. As always, love the videos, and looking forward to more.
@@simonr8721 no there is no sales tax. That is volume discount. Edit the 471 was when the M16A1s were purchased in the late 1960s early 1970s. The M1911A1 price was from WW2 as that was when they were purchased and delivered. Adjust for inflation.
My Reserve Unit still has them, and the weapons are nice but they have fallen to disrepair of bad Arms Sergeants. My FTL had his turned into a brick of rust and sadness.
@@Tornado1861 A big reason why I chose the Atlas was because there isn't a top rail section except for at the very end of the handguard, right where a light or a front BUIS would mount. I didn't want a handguard with all that rail space that I would never use. The heat transfer is definitely a concern though. The wrap Ian mentioned should solve that issue, though!
Like seeing you do both a modern platform and a match… pretty cool. Not an avid viewer, but this is the first time I’ve seen both circumstances. Right on.
Nothing wrong with reviewing modern rifles. In fact, while i thoroughly enjoy learning about the developments and weird one offs, they aren't things i will be purchasing. I trust your opinion more than most on what a good rifle or handgun is. Would love to have a WWSD, but the wait times are insane. I could probably buy another SMG FG-42 and get it before a WWSD rifle, and that's saying something as those are hand built. And thanks again for putting out that you could actually buy a repro FG-42. That thing is the star of my modest collection of rifles. Would love a repro StG 44, but i am not holding my breath.
I saw a lot of people building guns like this inspired by your original videos, with snobs mocking them for missing the point and being poor/stupid. For that reason, I am irrationally happy to see this variant of the rifle.
I did this after watching the early development for wwsd. If you can't afford the wwsd and have a modicum of mechanical skill, you can probably make your own, and I like this trend back towards functional rifles by manufacturers. My first AR was a Rock River that was very accurate out of the box, but weighs a ton. After planning and building my own version of wwsd, I have a 5lb battle rifle, and I turned the rock river into a scoped gun, though it's still a safe queen most of the time
My Bushmaster gained weight when I used it for competition, although my Colt A1 is still super lightweight and I use irons with an offset see through adapter I sometimes stick a magnified holographic on. Under 6lbs.
Thought dump Saturday - Ok, I like you guys (Karl & Sinistral) I propose the following: Polymer hybrid uppers are made and appear to work. How about one piece upper/lower, cut a hole in the butt to install/removal of bolt and buffer (consolidate) cover with plate latch. Fire control group installs thru access hole in bottom where the trigger is. Just cut a slot drop in and secure with hammer and trigger cross pins. Barrel attaches to the polymer hybrid upper like usual, just gotta have long tool to reach thru butt to the barrel locking lugs. The buffer tube will have to accommodate the gas key, maybe with no fcg bcg can be rotated into gas key slot. Charging handle could just be held in by the bcg. Whats left, mag release is good, do they need a bolt hold open? And yes I saw your video about firearm dev takes a long time. I’m going to go take my medication now.
This is very similar to the gun I ended up building before the WWSD20202 was available. It's really nice. I haven't managed to get the Faxon pencil barrel yet, but even with a heavier barrel for now it's about 6 pounds with a red dot and weapon light.
This is looking right up my alley, willing to sacrifice some bleeding edge performance for a still quality production polymer lower rifle focused on light weight.
@@TechnoMinarchist Oh, in that case, no. But mid-range, close-range, and even long-range. Some semi-autos are excellent. But like the really-really long range? Bolt's actions are still good.
@@lepmuhangpa Yeah, semis are catching up in the Designated Marksman ranges. I imagine in a few more years they will overshoot bolt actions in very long ranges. Some are already pretty close but snipers still opt for bolt actions when performing very long range kills due to there being no room for error in accuracy.
Super interesting to hear the production aspect regarding this project. Such important factor in all successfull desights. Thanks for a very informative video!
Great shooting and fascinating project. I’m really impressed overall with the final product and any rifle under 6 pounds definitely gets my attention. The name choice was also great, I think. Because of the cost of carbon fiber I had a idea of using fiberglass, HSHT it has close to the same properties as carbon fiber, except I think it has higher strength. With a monolithic lower, it would be really interesting to try a monolithic upper receiver with the upper receiver and handgaurd all as one piece, more or less. The armalite/vltor “ continuous optics platform “ essentially achieved this. It would probably be extremely cheap to mass produce, and have most of the same strength as T6. The faxon barrel and a inconel gas tube pairing would be tough to beat for a full auto sample too. I have not tried the giessle super 42 braided spring for the buffer yet, but it seems like something stoner would definitely do. Thanks for another incredible video!
This is awesome, It'll be interesting to see how sales will compare to the regular rifle. It sucks that parts cant be reliably sourced for the original design but I think most people will be happy to buy this version.
I'm not a big fan of ARs, but I really like that monolithic lower. Stylish, functional, checks all the boxes. I'm surprised you didn't use a polymer front handguard, to fit the sleek aesthetic, but the Fore-end O' Many Triangles is nice too. If I ever build an AR, I'm going to watch all the WWSD videos for inspiration, I guarantee you that!
And here in Sweden we buy expensive custom parts from Swedish Infitech just to make our hunting rifles look cool. I spent like twice the money on the parts for my Ruger PC carbine than i did for my gun so it can look a bit like an AR which you can't get on a hunting license because there is a ban on buying aesthetically cool looking guns. You can modify guns after the purchase though, because gun laws are logical that way.
@@CitizenSnips314 What a repugnant thing to say... effectively comparing peaceful, anonymous people to the dregs and reprobates of society. How dare you?
I still like having the forward assist. I know Ian thinks it's not necessary, but it's kind of a comfort for me, having used them for more than 40 years.
I don't know if I would trust myself at the range without the forward assist I've never had reason to use. Finally an AR platform rifle I'd consider buying.
This is very similar to the rifle I built in 08-09, I used a Cav Mk2 lower, Clark carbon handguard, KT68 pencil barrel, SP1 carrier, RRA trigger, and a TRS-25 red dot. Eventually I swapped to a VX31 1-5 scope on an aero mount, but otherwise it's still the same rifle and works great.
Man that is a beautiful rifle man. I really wish I had the money for other version honestly. If I had the money I would get the 2020 model but I would be very happy with this one too.
Not bad at all at 5.11 pounds and the price is in the reasonable range now. If I weren't stalking a couple 9mm carbines I'd def consider. I really like it. Gratz on the 3rd place finish!!!
For anyone looking for similar performance to the JP Silent Capture System: I’ve found the Geissele Super 42 to work as well and get rid of the Twang noise.
@@patrickmurphy8008 I’ve got a few JPs and a few of the super 42s. I actually like the Super 42 quite a bit. The video is all about cutting costs and it’s a good option for less money.
I built a rifle damn similar to this and love it. 18” gunner, Kp15, and an aero quantum hand guard. While not as light as possible it was quite light, soft shooting, and durable rifle. I really do think KP15 and lightweight profile, high quality barrels are gonna be more prevalent on ARs for quite a while in no small part thanks Forgotten weapons
Polymer has been used in military firearms for decades now. It's just fine as far as durability is concerned. What the militaries will not like is the lack of adjustability in the stock.
I imagine some key hangups for "military use" would be the cost, and the delicate nature of some parts. from my understanding military weapons kind of need to be idiot-proof.
For my review, so far I absolutely adore the thing. I didnt have the money to go full gucci on the WWSD, but for $400 bucks less, I adore the thing. I replace the buffer with something a little heavier and less "sprong"y, but that's all I've felt the need to change out. My only gripe is that my hand/fingers is just a little too large for the pistol grip so i find myself adjusting as I go, but thats about it. Absolutely some of the best money I've spent and I'm sure I'll continue to love the crap out of it.
The incredible Elbonian engineers created the WWEB CDR opting to make it top-loaded. The theory being that, with a translucent magazine, one can gain an adequate sight picture by aligning the primer of the 8th round with your intended target thus eliminating the weight, expense, and zeroing of pesky iron sights and optics.
D. Unterreiner it does - the RTS-1 REKLUSE. Trigger cassette is completely sealed to further reduce the possibility of fouling, plus full-powered hammer springs so no light primer strikes ever.
Would have been nice to now how it grouped on paper at 100 yards, especially since Brownell's listing it at over $1200 which takes it out of the "bargain" gun category.
The point of this configuration was to use as many parts as possible that KE Arms makes in house to actually have control over manufacturing and be able to crank them out in volume
This is very similar to my WWSD-esque rifle from the first go-around. I used a very light aluminum handguard (very similar to what is on this, though without the full top rail so likely lighter) and eliminated the bolt release and capture spring. I did use the original 14.5" Faxon barrel and the SLT trigger with my Cav Lower. (I view that style of trigger as a good idea with the Cav lowers, I've had problems with pins walking on Mil-spec style trigger groups on those rifles. Otherwise I prefer an SSA-E or MBT trigger to the SLT) All in all, I picked up a few ounces over the original WWSD, but saved a metric butt-ton of money.
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It's weird seeing Ian using weapons with things like Picatinny rails and carbon-fiber stocks and functional feed systems.
You mean reliable firearms contrary to the amazingly antique weapons found today is surprisingly good conditions that he so beautifully presents to all of us to awe and gawk away 🥲👀😅 jk btw Idk how to feel about this butt stock (kinda reminds me of a modern M16A1)
@@puertoricanboy100 personally i really like those solid stocks. I think they look great
I'm still waiting on the WWSD: Last Ditch.
Maybe later this year.
Lol. That would actually be both funny and kinda interesting to see what they come up with
Pretty sure that's just a factory-standard AR-15. 😋
This will be all the 20” barrel versions once all the 16s are gone.
@@sloth7ds I was thinking the same.😁 Less machining in the upper receiver. Maybe: no rail, fixed sights, simpler handguard and no muzzle device🤔
Everything is made with a press and the sling is a piece of rope. But this is 2021, so I guess every thing is done with a Dremel.
A Civil Defense corps made up entirely of Ians would be both terrifyingly effective and endlessly fascinating.
Wouldn't be effective because they could be distracted by a classic firearm.
Best tactic would be to walk in quietly and say "what is the best handgun and why", perfect sabotage, they'll be discussing for hours as your platoon sneaks around them and picks up a few interesting facts.
@@jonniez62 just toss Lebel ammo boxes for distraction.
All Ians in unison:
Welcome to forgotten helmets...
Welcome to forgotten ships...
Welcome to forgotten handgrenades...
Welcome to forgotten tanks...
Welcome to forgotten uniforms..
@@jonniez62 I'm imagining that bit in "come and see" where the kids are digging up old rifles to join the partisans with.
But instead of it being the most horrifying moments in film, it's just Ian talking about pre war Soviet design choices.
Narrator: here we can see an "ian" outside of his natural habitats (e.g. auctions houses, museums and fire places), nowadays, due to the endangered of their ecosystem, you can find one in matches too. As we can appreciate in the minutes 0:35, 8:09 or 8:54 he is raising up his tail to show dominance to the other males and also to seek a viable partner among any female he may find. This is a rare opportunity to see such an outstanding demeanor.
Beautiful prose Bro.
damm you, read that in David Attenborough's voice
@@derekbowbrick6233 Thanks, it is hard to me write in English, first meme I try !!
@@giuliannochiarelli151 as someone that is a native English speaker, your prose and writing was absolutely fantastic! Keep it up; you're doing amazingly well!
He's actually warding off other males from his prized modernised AR, which he will take to his stash to last over the winter
Not sure if that was a dump pouch or tactical tailfeathers.
Tailfeathers, they see a target and keep shooting the distracting tail.
When threatened the Wild Gun Jesus will display it's tail feather to try and intimidate targets
I saw this comment before watching the video and once I saw that tail fan pop up to full strut mode every time he went prone I couldn't stop laughing.
Yes.
C'mon Gun Jesus, let me see you shake them tail feathers!
That moment when you realize you're no longer watching the antiques roadshow and instead are watching the home shopping network but you keep watching anyway because the narrator is captivating.
*includes paid advertisement*
**In David Attenborough voice** “As we can see here a wild Ian is trying to impress the female by hitting shots and lifting up his tactical dump pouch.”
I would say this is much closer to what Stoner really would do taking in to account economics of military spending.
I bought a stripped KP15 lower and put a LaRue MBT AND Radian Talon in it and had big problems. From my research I knew this was a possibility. Thankfully, I'm local here in PHX so I sent KE Arms an email just asking if they had seen my particular problem before. They replied within 90 minutes and offered to take a look at it if I drove down to see them, which I gladly did. There was just something off in the geometry between the Talon drum at the provided KE Arms selector detent. They (Russell himself) offered to drill it out on the spot. As the situation was simply not doable any other way, I said to go ahead. Russell then installed the KE selector and function tested it: perfect. When I tried to pay him the at least $150 worth of parts and labor, he said "just tell your friends to use our parts in our lower please". So here I am USE THE KE ARMS PARTS IN THE KP15 LOWER!!!
I decided to spring for the KE Arms LPK just b/c saving a few bucks wasn't enough upside to payoff the risk of running into stuff like that.
I wish I'd waited to pull the trigger on the trigger purchase, though. I'd have gone for the Rekluse. I'm sure the SLT will be good and reliable.
@fullm3taljacket
Good to hear. Thanks for sharing.
Good dude. I bet the value of his time was the learning experience so he knows for next time.
Cool, but there's no reason to release a lower if it's only compatible with their same parts imo
@@enb3810 there's absolutely a reason. Just not one you understand
"This project
"The wild Ian intimidates other males with a display of his coyote brown plumage."
"His mating call is well known. 'Do you have any french .32 loungeouix?'"
You can tell Ian really likes shooting prone, his tail wags.
Gross
Oh god don’t remind me about the “furgotten weapons” fanart…
I still have nightmares about that to this day.
@@Hypergen- "Nightmares."
@@Hypergen- WHERE DO I FIND THIS PAIN, GOOGLE WONT SHOW ME
I'm done with the internet for the night 😂
When diving into a prone position, always deploy your beavertail safety as an airbrake. Safety first people.
Didn't realise Ian was secretly a beaver.
His inner Canadian came popping up
"By Grabthars hammer, what a savings!"
YES😂
The sun's of agathor support this rifle selection!
You shall be avenged
That totally deserves the old civil defense logo painted on it from the 1940’s with the circle triangle CD
Wouldn’t that be misuse of a protected emblem? Kind of like painting a red cross on a frag grenade?
@@Ekcyboo its a very long since retired symbol. I dont think civil defense exists in any capacity anymore
Is that the same as the Triang toy manufacturer who made the Sten SMG?
@@Ekcyboo Exactly! Or like painting your Glock 34 like a Nintendo Duck Hunt controller
@@Ekcyboo painting a red cross on a hand grenade may be illegal, but it sure sounds worth it
I wonder what an Elbonian (late WW3) "Last-ditch" WWSD rifle would look like 🤔?
A cardboard reinforced, cast elmer's glue receiver with welded chicken wire as free-floating handguard?
Or would the Elbonians keep wasting resources engraving officer's models for party leaders 'till the bitter end?
Probably an AR-15 in 7.62x39 cartridge (not the best available nowdays) that takes AK mags (removes the more ergonomic AR button mag release feature) and has many rails which make it heavy and some easily breakable flimsy adjustable stock.
Imagine an AR15 with a ramrod so it can be muzzleloaded
Pretty sure the Elbonians now use that model of AK that Ian reviewed where the parts fly off when you shoot it. They would also use Chinese Mystery Pistols as side arms. "In order to save on costs, the Elbonians purchased AK parts kits instead of completed rifles. Each soldier was required to assemble his own AK. The Elbonians had no standard side-arm. Instead, they imported a series of surplus Chinese pistols. As it was impossible to identify the model of each pistol, much less find spare parts or manufacturer new ones, each Elbonian officer always carried several of them on his person."
@@JTPQuinn They should just go up to the Khybar and kidnap those gunsmiths. You know the ones that machine gun parts with sandstone abrasives.
For your convenience, our Dump Pouch doubles as an impromptu deployable shade device for your back!
Smart move on Brownells part getting rifles out the door while the market is still hot. I really lake the idea of the PDQ lever and would add one when I get the rifle.
SHTF
"Of course you know what that stands for: Stop Heat Trans-Fer."
Of course!!
The nice thing about the modularity of the platform is that all the "econo" choices can be upgraded as funds allow. You can go base model and then piece-by-piece improve the rifle.
That's how you end up with two of them. Mitosis.
That’s the beauty of the platform, to be sure.
$1250 is not exactly "econo" for an AR. You can get a KE-15 complete lower for only $200 if you already have an upper.
@@jarink1 10% federal excise tax. Plus with Brownells, there is their No Questions Asked warranty for life (you're paying someone's salary + overhead). Plus WWSD engraving on upper. On principle, if I had money, I'd get WWSD2021 lower + upper separate (CA gun laws ban sale of "assault weapons"), make it fin-grip compliant, then swap in original WWSD2017 parts like ACH handle.
Just buy the lower. you do not need everything else theyre selling. build t for waay less cashola
I don't even live in the US, but I'm excited there's a cheaper option available now.
I officially deputize you as a Roving Deputy of 'Murica! Do us proud!
@@EminemLovesGrapes even this version is 2x as expensive as it could be
@@mrs.vasquezz Yep, this version is cheaper to make than a standard AR. Should be below $500.
@@EminemLovesGrapes ironic considering how economical the KP15 milspec is
@@PaulVerhoeven2 Eh, 600ish plus shippingis a more realistic goal. Cheapest railed PSA upper at the moment is 400, plus 110 for the lower, 30 for cheapo sights off amazon or ali, spend that last 60 on LPK and a buffer/spring.
It will be remembered in the future as a Economy "last ditch" WWSD2021 model from the original WWSD2020.
Pop-up dump pouch needs a pair of googly eyes to stare downrange and freak out the hostiles!
Ian's drop pouch needs a Claymore-esque "This Side Towards Enemy" on the underside for going prone.
That bag Ian wears is very handy, but it also makes a good "throw grenade here" sign.
I was thinking the same thing.
Some people have friends that would deposit smoke grenades in there.
I find the dump pouch standing upright hilarious.
Looks like he has a square tail !!
The price difference is definitely greater than the performance difference between this and the full on WWSD2020, was definitely a great choice to put this into market.
Yeah I honestly think the only thing I would miss would be the carbon fiber handguard.
@@KamikazKid I agree!
That's always the case. You'll end up paying 50% extra for those last 10% more M.O.A.R. (figuratively speaking).
ians a god at the range when he doesnt nerf himself with early 1900s weapons
Watch the FG-42 range video.
Congrats Ian, you are now part of firearms history.
I was a cavarms owner years ago and have been following the what would Stoner do project from the beginning and I must say you guys nailed it I mean everything was so meticulously analyzed I'm sure Eugene would approve. On another note I'm just in the midst of waiting for the finishing touches to arrive for my version of the what would Stoner do rifle I guess you could call it an enhanced civil defense version. I already weighed mine with all of the components the optic and the rear sight came in at 5 lb dead even. Compared to my government model 20 inch A4 it is a featherweight. A friend of mine has a 16 inch carbine I believe it's a Ruger 556, his weighs in at 8 lb he said it was light and then he picked up mine and it just blew his mind.
Great to see more new stuff around too. Some modern unique designs deserve more attention before they are forgotten. And then reviewed again.
“Jesus son, your dump pouch is shot full of holes. Why did the enemy have such a problem with this one dump pouch?”
*Fallout-themed competition referees* : We have special stage, we call it "Quarry Junction."
*Mama and Alpha Deathclaw appears*
Well lads, count your rounds and save the last for yourself.
"Why go the long way? I'll just go direct to New Vegas. Oooohhh, a quarry."
@@letsburn00 Famous last words.
"....they just get mad when you shoot at them."
As Big Iron comes over the radio.
I couldn't afford the WWSD. So I put together everything myself. It's the exact same build as this. Haha. I have the Brownells chrome carrier (not the YM/KE) and an adjustable block though. I got everything from KE besides the BCG, barrel (still a Faxon 16" pencil), and gas block.
To be honest you did the smart thing
@@johnstacy7902 yep. My was a couple hundred cheaper, but at the same time not professionally installed and no warranty. If they were selling it for $900 I'd say it's a good deal for keeping a "factory warranty". $1200 makes sense since they just started making certain things and acquired YM, so they need to start making some $$ back.
Remember that there is a 11% Federal excise tax on rifles that buyers never see.
@@SilverHunterIsHunted what's gonna go wrong you can't fix? I'm going to get a extra safety, takedown pins and maybe a trigger.
That's correct Ian. That's why I built my own. When you guys coming out with the dissapator version?
As a person who hates Just as Gooders, I'd call this the "Good Enough WWSD, Rifle," which is fairly similar to the one I cobbled together out of a Gen 1 Cavarms Lower, a slick side upper, skeletonized M-Lok Rail, and a Faxon Barrel; same weight (stripped) and a very nimble but functional rifle.
As always, love the videos, and looking forward to more.
I was once issued an m16a2, I'm willing to bet it was even cheaper.
Made more cheaply, certainly.
The TO&E chart of my unit in the late 1980s.
M16A1 unit cost $471.
M1911A1 unit cost $54.90
@@shawnr771 Yeah but in the military there are no taxes right?
@@simonr8721 no there is no sales tax.
That is volume discount.
Edit the 471 was when the M16A1s were purchased in the late 1960s early 1970s.
The M1911A1 price was from WW2 as that was when they were purchased and delivered.
Adjust for inflation.
My Reserve Unit still has them, and the weapons are nice but they have fallen to disrepair of bad Arms Sergeants. My FTL had his turned into a brick of rust and sadness.
I've been building my own budget-friendly WWSD rifle as well! The Aero Precision Atlas handguard was what I ultimately decided on for cost vs. weight.
I've used the Firefield Fringe. It is made of some type of polymer, so it is light, inexpensive, and doesn't transfer heat.
@@Tornado1861 A big reason why I chose the Atlas was because there isn't a top rail section except for at the very end of the handguard, right where a light or a front BUIS would mount. I didn't want a handguard with all that rail space that I would never use. The heat transfer is definitely a concern though. The wrap Ian mentioned should solve that issue, though!
That's a cousin to what I made. A 2020 purchased rifle got 2020 available parts.
Standard buffer system, Larue trigger
Nice.
I suppose you keep irons on it?
@@thaedleinad Trij accupower 1-4, which has also been great.
Ian has almost done more for my personal interest in guns than the guns themselves.
Great work on the lower!
I really appreciate well-made budget-friendly products
$1,250 is budget friendly?
@@Bobdixon_Moonvarga_Dancer_III Really not that bad for a quality product.
Like seeing you do both a modern platform and a match… pretty cool. Not an avid viewer, but this is the first time I’ve seen both circumstances. Right on.
Nothing wrong with reviewing modern rifles. In fact, while i thoroughly enjoy learning about the developments and weird one offs, they aren't things i will be purchasing. I trust your opinion more than most on what a good rifle or handgun is. Would love to have a WWSD, but the wait times are insane. I could probably buy another SMG FG-42 and get it before a WWSD rifle, and that's saying something as those are hand built.
And thanks again for putting out that you could actually buy a repro FG-42. That thing is the star of my modest collection of rifles. Would love a repro StG 44, but i am not holding my breath.
Just bought one yesterday (June 9). Man oh man, I can hardly wait for it to be delivered! This is going to be awesome!
The Volkssturm’s gonna dig this.
The evolution of this project is amazing! Inspiring work
the cameraman being smooth and chill is one of the nice things here :D
I saw a lot of people building guns like this inspired by your original videos, with snobs mocking them for missing the point and being poor/stupid. For that reason, I am irrationally happy to see this variant of the rifle.
I did this after watching the early development for wwsd. If you can't afford the wwsd and have a modicum of mechanical skill, you can probably make your own, and I like this trend back towards functional rifles by manufacturers. My first AR was a Rock River that was very accurate out of the box, but weighs a ton. After planning and building my own version of wwsd, I have a 5lb battle rifle, and I turned the rock river into a scoped gun, though it's still a safe queen most of the time
My Bushmaster gained weight when I used it for competition, although my Colt A1 is still super lightweight and I use irons with an offset see through adapter I sometimes stick a magnified holographic on. Under 6lbs.
Thought dump Saturday -
Ok, I like you guys (Karl & Sinistral) I propose the following:
Polymer hybrid uppers are made and appear to work. How about one piece upper/lower, cut a hole in the butt to install/removal of bolt and buffer (consolidate) cover with plate latch. Fire control group installs thru access hole in bottom where the trigger is. Just cut a slot drop in and secure with hammer and trigger cross pins. Barrel attaches to the polymer hybrid upper like usual, just gotta have long tool to reach thru butt to the barrel locking lugs.
The buffer tube will have to accommodate the gas key, maybe with no fcg bcg can be rotated into gas key slot. Charging handle could just be held in by the bcg. Whats left, mag release is good, do they need a bolt hold open?
And yes I saw your video about firearm dev takes a long time. I’m going to go take my medication now.
This is very similar to the gun I ended up building before the WWSD20202 was available. It's really nice. I haven't managed to get the Faxon pencil barrel yet, but even with a heavier barrel for now it's about 6 pounds with a red dot and weapon light.
Very cool to have a more economical option. Thanks to all involved with it's development.
This is looking right up my alley, willing to sacrifice some bleeding edge performance for a still quality production polymer lower rifle focused on light weight.
the last time I was this early, Bolt actions weren't obsolete
They still come out on top in long range sniping though
@@TechnoMinarchist Oh, in that case, no. But mid-range, close-range, and even long-range. Some semi-autos are excellent. But like the really-really long range? Bolt's actions are still good.
@@lepmuhangpa Yeah, semis are catching up in the Designated Marksman ranges. I imagine in a few more years they will overshoot bolt actions in very long ranges. Some are already pretty close but snipers still opt for bolt actions when performing very long range kills due to there being no room for error in accuracy.
@Myles O'Peter Elaborate.
They arent. At least for civillian use.
By the look of his tail, Ian was getting excited on those stages.
I just used a KE Arms "G.I. Lower Parts Kit" in a new build and was pleasantly surprised with the quality of the components and the decent trigger.
a real beaut ian, you've come so far from the gunlab days
Super interesting to hear the production aspect regarding this project. Such important factor in all successfull desights. Thanks for a very informative video!
Me with my 9lb target ar: "5.5 lb? That's a paperweight."
Also me: slow at fast movement courses
A most welcome option in my opinion, I love seeing quality budget rifles on the market!
Great shooting and fascinating project. I’m really impressed overall with the final product and any rifle under 6 pounds definitely gets my attention. The name choice was also great, I think. Because of the cost of carbon fiber I had a idea of using fiberglass, HSHT it has close to the same properties as carbon fiber, except I think it has higher strength. With a monolithic lower, it would be really interesting to try a monolithic upper receiver with the upper receiver and handgaurd all as one piece, more or less. The armalite/vltor “ continuous optics platform “ essentially achieved this. It would probably be extremely cheap to mass produce, and have most of the same strength as T6. The faxon barrel and a inconel gas tube pairing would be tough to beat for a full auto sample too. I have not tried the giessle super 42 braided spring for the buffer yet, but it seems like something stoner would definitely do. Thanks for another incredible video!
Excellent! Nice set up at a good price. I don't mind at all when you explore modern weapons too. I enjoy all your content.
This is awesome, It'll be interesting to see how sales will compare to the regular rifle. It sucks that parts cant be reliably sourced for the original design but I think most people will be happy to buy this version.
I'm not a big fan of ARs, but I really like that monolithic lower. Stylish, functional, checks all the boxes.
I'm surprised you didn't use a polymer front handguard, to fit the sleek aesthetic, but the Fore-end O' Many Triangles is nice too.
If I ever build an AR, I'm going to watch all the WWSD videos for inspiration, I guarantee you that!
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Dude 5.11 £ is so cheap for such a rifle, those cost savings really worked out!
Picked up a kp-15 lower for 160 yesterday, going with a mid west industries handgaurd and a faxon barrel, really excited about this build.
And here in Sweden we buy expensive custom parts from Swedish Infitech just to make our hunting rifles look cool.
I spent like twice the money on the parts for my Ruger PC carbine than i did for my gun so it can look a bit like an AR which you can't get on a hunting license because there is a ban on buying aesthetically cool looking guns.
You can modify guns after the purchase though, because gun laws are logical that way.
I'm sure the parents of Newtown, Parkland, and Santa Fe appreciate being able to purchase aesthetically cool looking guns.
Trust me... Sweden does not claim exclusivity on hunter's caressing their over-priced game rifle.
@@CitizenSnips314 What a repugnant thing to say... effectively comparing peaceful, anonymous people to the dregs and reprobates of society. How dare you?
Im a big fan of no BS cost effective ARs, normally make my own, but this one is very very tempting. I dig it!
You can buy just the lower, set it up how you want it.
I still like having the forward assist. I know Ian thinks it's not necessary, but it's kind of a comfort for me, having used them for more than 40 years.
I really hate the fact that it looks as if it was meant to have forward assist, but doesn't.
Great stuff, appreciate it being on your channel and can't wait to see more. thanks!
"If you're in the great Northern wastes" So, you mean Winnipeg?
nah Detroit
@@davenewton3576 Compared to Detroit, wastes are habitable! D:
Too bad the WWSD will never make it to Soviet Kanuckistan. ARs have been banned for over a year now.
@@GrizzAxxemann no kidding. our best bet right now is still The Spectre MCR's and the Wolverine 180c's
I don't know if I would trust myself at the range without the forward assist I've never had reason to use. Finally an AR platform rifle I'd consider buying.
>Cheaper WWSD
Ngl was considering getting my sister an M16A1 but I might get her this instead.
This is very similar to the rifle I built in 08-09, I used a Cav Mk2 lower, Clark carbon handguard, KT68 pencil barrel, SP1 carrier, RRA trigger, and a TRS-25 red dot. Eventually I swapped to a VX31 1-5 scope on an aero mount, but otherwise it's still the same rifle and works great.
My wish of your videos is, to start all your presentation and information with a range shooting. That makes the video much interesting. Thank you.
Man that is a beautiful rifle man. I really wish I had the money for other version honestly. If I had the money I would get the 2020 model but I would be very happy with this one too.
Awesome rifle. The floating barrel makes a huge difference
@@A407RAC Yes, most modern AR-15s use a free-floated barrel.
@@spacecaesar7619 Most? Isn't a free floated barrel integral to the AR15 design? I am not that familiar with older versions, that's why I'm asking.
@@Duwurf No, some handguards affix to the barrel.
@@spacecaesar7619 isnt that mostly just piston driven AR-15s?
@@spacecaesar7619 I forgot about those. Thanks.
Not bad at all at 5.11 pounds and the price is in the reasonable range now. If I weren't stalking a couple 9mm carbines I'd def consider. I really like it. Gratz on the 3rd place finish!!!
For anyone looking for similar performance to the JP Silent Capture System: I’ve found the Geissele Super 42 to work as well and get rid of the Twang noise.
Super 42 is just a hipster flat wire in performance, the JP works better. And A5 systems.
$150 isn't terrible, and it can always be added later.
@@patrickmurphy8008 I’ve got a few JPs and a few of the super 42s. I actually like the Super 42 quite a bit. The video is all about cutting costs and it’s a good option for less money.
I built a rifle damn similar to this and love it. 18” gunner, Kp15, and an aero quantum hand guard. While not as light as possible it was quite light, soft shooting, and durable rifle. I really do think KP15 and lightweight profile, high quality barrels are gonna be more prevalent on ARs for quite a while in no small part thanks Forgotten weapons
Honest question here: how durable is it generally compared to, say, GI M4? Would it pass military durability requirements for prolonged field usage?
'Special' handling: watch?v=YQ451lbKW0o?t=629
Full Auto torture test: watch?v=fKyHSZ4v-Qs
The lower is plenty solid. There's blems on sale at Brownells.
Polymer has been used in military firearms for decades now. It's just fine as far as durability is concerned. What the militaries will not like is the lack of adjustability in the stock.
I imagine some key hangups for "military use" would be the cost, and the delicate nature of some parts. from my understanding military weapons kind of need to be idiot-proof.
@@Robb1977 I would have bushed the take down holes and buy lots of extra pins
Don't know how I missed this one. But I like the lower cost aspect without losing much performance.
>Fallout themed match
>Using petroleum based products
There was actually still a lot of petroleum stuff lying around Fallout. Poseidon Energy was a corporate giant after all.
Hey, I *just* ordered that lower 3 days ago! I have heard it's the best polymer lower around, can't wait to attach it to my upper!
It's a GREAT upper...works with my 20" 5.56 upper and my 16" 7.62 upper just fine. The length of pull is PERFECT for me
Last ditch version: A blowback semi-auto styled after an M16 and VG 1-5. Stamped steel and polymer parts.
No no no, that's the Chinese Warlord version...
For my review, so far I absolutely adore the thing. I didnt have the money to go full gucci on the WWSD, but for $400 bucks less, I adore the thing. I replace the buffer with something a little heavier and less "sprong"y, but that's all I've felt the need to change out. My only gripe is that my hand/fingers is just a little too large for the pistol grip so i find myself adjusting as I go, but thats about it. Absolutely some of the best money I've spent and I'm sure I'll continue to love the crap out of it.
I'm sure Elbonia will take a look at this and make a worse version of it ;)
The incredible Elbonian engineers created the WWEB CDR opting to make it top-loaded. The theory being that, with a translucent magazine, one can gain an adequate sight picture by aligning the primer of the 8th round with your intended target thus eliminating the weight, expense, and zeroing of pesky iron sights and optics.
No, Elbonia would buy the *original* WWSD carbine because it's more expensive and the components shortage would impede rollout.
at 0:36 Ians belt pouch put in great effort to make sure it got in the shot
I was really hoping yall would do this as im poor and I would love to own a WWSD style rifle
Just get a KP15 and get whatever you want
There is also the WWSD 2021 they dropped which is just a lower with all the same parts. I think it has a slightly better trigger than the WWSD 2020.
@@jammbbs1688 I built my own, 4.9 pounds. 1.2k ain't bad, considering there's labor in there somewhere. Dude's gotta eat.
D. Unterreiner it does - the RTS-1 REKLUSE. Trigger cassette is completely sealed to further reduce the possibility of fouling, plus full-powered hammer springs so no light primer strikes ever.
$1,250 fucking dollars. Poor people look elsewhere.
That slide in to prone position at 0:25 was super slick.
Of course, SHTF stands for
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Nice looking setup in my opinion. Simple and functional.
Would have been nice to now how it grouped on paper at 100 yards, especially since Brownell's listing it at over $1200 which takes it out of the "bargain" gun category.
What a brilliant concept.
"The Civil Defence Rifle"
Гражданская Оборона - Винтовка это праздник starts playing
Immediately followed by The Avenger from Kruiz....
Винтовка это праздник!!!
Все летит в п#@*у!!!
I wasn't expecting GrOb related comment here.
@@Pixy335 Он великий,он герой
Он повсюду,он везде
Он толпою,он горой
На каждом шагу и в каждой пизде
While I am not a fan of polymers, this project is truly intriguing. If I ever did buy a polymer gun, this would likely be the one.
Only change I would suggest is go with Midwest industries hand guards they are US made good quality and affordable
The point of this configuration was to use as many parts as possible that KE Arms makes in house to actually have control over manufacturing and be able to crank them out in volume
This is very similar to my WWSD-esque rifle from the first go-around. I used a very light aluminum handguard (very similar to what is on this, though without the full top rail so likely lighter) and eliminated the bolt release and capture spring. I did use the original 14.5" Faxon barrel and the SLT trigger with my Cav Lower. (I view that style of trigger as a good idea with the Cav lowers, I've had problems with pins walking on Mil-spec style trigger groups on those rifles. Otherwise I prefer an SSA-E or MBT trigger to the SLT) All in all, I picked up a few ounces over the original WWSD, but saved a metric butt-ton of money.
The WWSD rifle without all of Ian's left handed stuff.
Ah, I wasn't the only one amused that they removed the ambi stuff on a gun Ian was pushing. LOL. (I am a leftie too)