M1 Macbook Pro - Do You Need The Extra Power? Sonic LAB Review
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Apple recently added to their range of SOC (system on a chip) M1 range with the new Mac Book Pro 14 and 16 inch models. Each feature the option to include the new M1 Pro and M1 Max CPUs, more base memory and up to 8TB of blazing fast storage.
Apple sent us a base model unit, we take a look and see what the high specc'ed and higher priced unit has to offer.
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Editor Nick Batt takes a look at the new machine and also checks out the ATMOS implementation in Logic Pro 10.7
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00:00 Intro and packaging
02:15 Ports and hardware
04:45 Storage speed
06:00 Plugging in and the screen
8:30 Moving to Monterey
09:40 Audio and video
12:37 Logic Session test with u-he native
15:50 Logic Native ATMOS Example (use headphones)
21:30 Conclusions and impressions
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I'm upgrading for my 2012 MacBook pro. We've had great time, but she struggles. M1 here I come!!!!
Great video, very helpful indeed. Nick is the 🐐
Nick is the forking man. I voted for you in the awards for personality of the year. So should everyone else. Nick was doing this when the other people weren't born and his catalogue will be and is unparalleled. Someone should make a documentary about Nick Batt and the gear he has seen evolve.
He's like the James Burke of synth reviews.
Great review Nick!!
Honest Review Nick, good job.
Great info, well done, thank you
Thanks Nick! You are legend :)
I don't know why but I was sure you were going to load the KORG M1 in the new Mac book.
My custom build 16" arriving next week. 🤗
Wonderful content as always. I do have a question for you regarding plug-ins instruments like Komplete 13 and Omnisphere. Would you recommend a larger memory like 2 Terabytes to host them in this computer or can you run these type of plug-ins from an external?
if you go external, go external SSD for best results, this will most impact Kontakt and Maschine
2 teras is likely a must if you will be getting a bunch of sample libraries, otherwise, it will be overkill. How many gigs do you need for Omnisphere? 1 TB is far more than enough for Komplete 13 alone. Plus the operating system, and then you'll get plenty of space for saved projects that should last a while, depending on how much you produce and what you produce. If you will be doing a lot of audio recording as well, consider less internal memory to save money and get more external memory, it's up to you if that works. You'll eventually hit the internal limit (don't let the internal memory go past 80% full) and will have to use external memory.
Im still waiting for an m1 pro mac mini. I want one for both music and design so faster will be better and i will need GPU power as well as CPU power. Im currently using a tricked out 2009 5,1 mac pro tower. Its starting to groan under cpu heavy plugins but most of the time it works well for my needs and everything is fairly stable at the moment.
The only MacBook Pro I could find available at Best Buy was the 16inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro Chip, 16gb Ram & 1TB SSD. Now I really wanted one with 32gb of ram but do you think 16gb will be enough for me. I like using soft synths like omnisphere & the Komplete collection. Thanks
But does it do pulse width modulation?
Guys - are you going to review the Sequential Take 5 soon?? We've been waiting weeks & still no mention
That little outro piece was cool! Sounds were swirling around in my headphones. Was that done in Atmos?
Actually no it wasn't. I wouldn't know where to start with a spatial audio mix.
Using M1 Max 32GB 4TB MacBook here, ( medium sized projects: around 150 tracks of vsti plugins and kontakt instances )
Cubase 10.5 runs very smoothly, Logic on the other hand is a little buggy.
Also all the VST plugins work in cubase but some AU plugins don’t work in Logic. I’m running everything thru Rosetta.
Only thing I miss is Virtual Guitarist 2 which is a 32bit plugin and Slate VSX that doesn’t work on Monterey at all. Everything else runs smoothly.
My 2021 Apple MacBook Pro (16-inch, Apple M1 Pro chip with 10‑core CPU and 16‑core GPU, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD) arrives Monday. is it wrong that I am most excited about the SD Slot? (and the other long missed connectivity, dual monitors here I come!) I use a Zoom HD recorder all the time (that uses an SD) for sound design, and also I DJ on a Denon GO that Records to an SD, this is great, no more swapping files onto USB on my PC, or using the cloud storage, it works and it's nice, I occasionally use it to DJ from my Dropbox, or Tidal, but I prefer physical medium. I currently have a 2019 MBP, out of space already, after a year and a half in School for AP, (I have had multiple issues with Logic X and Pro Tools, on Monterey as well) So I have had to ingrate yet another USB device, a 4TB HD, in my massive dongle chain of USB 3.0, which is now going into my office for Sound Editing, basic Video Editing, Graphic Design, Uploading files and projects, etc... It's perhaps a little overkill, I keep thinking, but why not? if given the opportunity to have more sustainable computer for the future of Audio Production. I am going for it.
I can't wait.
hey man I love your work in Goldfrapp! a living legend
Hey Nick, What configuration of MacBook Pro 14” have you ordered?
10 core M1 Pro, 32GB, 1TB
so was this the 8gb model or 16gb?
Happy New Year SonicStaters!
I ordered a 14" M1 Max macbook pro to replace my 2012 MacBook Pro & have a question:
Is the Focusrite scarlett 2i4 1st Generation compatible with the m1 pro/max macbook pro?
If not, any recommendations on compatible audio interfaces? Any one?
That's exactly my question.
Wait, you are me! 😂
So glad i spent $3700 on an i9 mbp in 2019…. Logic always crashing with odd audio glitches that were never addressed by apple customer support. Really makes me want a new mac.
And the random fan going into overdrive with loudness
thank u
Any Sonic State recommendations on external ssd to use with the M1 pro/max? I prevously had 4tb on my 2012 mbp.
I ordered a 14" M1 Max macbook pro with 2 tb ssd due to cost.
Between my NI Komplete Library,Ableton Live Suite & dj music collection I'm looking for viable solutions.
Thanks & Happy New Year to all. 🙏
Sure, we recently bought a 4tb Samsung EVO 870 internal SSD and just put it in a USB-C external case and it should be fine for samples. Your not gonna beat the speed of the internal Mac SSD, those things are blazing
@@sonicstate Thanks! ❤️🙏❤️
For some reason I am thinking a 4 TB drive is the only way to go because just using Ableton, Komplete, Arturia collection, Omnisphere etc we are getting close to 1.6 TB. My question is do you think it's ok to use a single 4 TB drive to store everything ( Ableton, VSTs, samples, music, videos etc) and using an external drive or the cloud to backup projects. I buy a new laptop every 7 to 10 years which is only reason I am thinking 4 TB makes the most sense. It's such a difficult & expensive decision deciding what upgrades are really needed. Max chip with 64 GB and 2 TB drive or the pro with 32GB and 4 TB drive? .
What did you choose and how is it working out for you?
Nick you didn't mention much about the fans. On my Intel MBP16, running a project like you had open in logic with a bunch of u-he plugins I would definitely get very noticeable fan noise - to the point where it's pretty distracting. I've heard that the m1 machines are much quieter in this regard, did you notice this in your test with the same project?
I think I did? But not heard any fans yet on this machine.
You actually did right at the end, i jumped the gun! Cheers 🙌
Hi! I'm looking forward to buy a Macbook Pro M1 (16") but I am torn between 16 and 32 GB. Some people mentionned 16 GB is plenty enough whereas others suggest to invest into 32 GB for future proofing and also to reduce the necessity of buffering onto the SSD "all the time". What is your take on this please? 🤔 Should one invest into the additional RAM to be on the safe side instead of buying twice or is it worthless for most of us? (I would use the machine for music production with plenty of plugins, some photo editing and maybe a little bit of video editing here and there). Thanks
They also do some trickery with the memory. This and 200GB/s unified memory and fast read write to disc 16 GB should be more then enough in most cases.
Do you use Konakt heavily? If so, extra ram is nice, but otherwise, wouldn’t be as important past 16gb to be honest. If what you want is future-proofing, depending on how long you’d plan on keeping that for, then maybe, but otherwise it’s “usually” excessive.
16 is enough. There's other videos showing just the 8 gig of ram. And it performed great.
Depends what kind of money you have. Go as much as you can afford.. I got the 1 tb 14 inch 16 gb
So the big question: Is the 14inch screen big enough for music-production or is the 16inch the way to go? (I have to say I love the design and formfactor of the 14-inch)
Yes and it will support 4k external..
@@sonicstate Thanks for your reply:-) after endless hours of different youtube videos and reviews I ordered my 16 inch macbook pro M1 Max yesterday though. ….Im still not shure whether I find it to bulky or not when I unboxe it. I’m used to the 15 inch and really appreciate the real estate of a descent screen size when doing remote work and mixing.
Was very tempted by MacBook Pro 14”, but after this review will not buying.
Currently on fully maxed out Mac mini M1
This is the best video I've seen yet, and I've seen several good videos, on whether I really need to get an M1 Pro/Max machine when the ones with the original M1 will do. And the answer is: my next laptop looks to be the M1 MacBook Air. I bought an M1 Mac mini and I've been extremely satisfied with it. I dare say that you can do pro-level work on it. That said, I am aware that if people do need the extra power, they are going to know it. I do video, music production, and DJing, and I would have never done it back then on a MacBook Air, ever. But I'm all about portability and power, and the M1 MacBook Air IMO will go well with my M1 iPad Pro and be, really, give me what I wish for years to come, without the pricey overhead. Just my thoughts; as usual, really informative video Nick. Thank you!
Have and use a M1 Air 16GB 2TB since May and I am quite happy with. Horsepower is tremendous and it chews away whatever I through at it. And its fanless and so portable !!! Lightroom Classic (native) produces big swap files in the 3GB range though and that concerns me slightly.
I have the air and recommend it. But make sure you don’t buy it too close to next summer, that’s when the M2 air comes out!
Well, my options have swelled up a bit and just ordered a 14” M1 Max MBP. Now, the wait; 6-8 weeks!
I am planning about going with M1 pro 32gbyte memory & 1tbyte storage. Just to be on the safe side. Other than that I agree that this system will be enough for sound work.
Thanks for great and as always very informative review 👍
I guess I’ll be sticking with my fully expanded Mac mini for a while longer … 😉
Good video, thank you....... but what odds on Yoad sitting just off camera on the Dolby Atmos stuff #askingforafriend
What do you think about 16GB vs 32GB of Ram for audio?
price difference is so small go for the highest ram of course
16GB should be fine unless you want to spend $400 on something you aren’t sure you will use
3:25 dinners ready
Personally I'm just elated to see a finally see a divergence of the Macbook Air and Pro lines after Apples almost decade long trend towards homogenising the products. Maybe the pro isn't quite worth it yet, but I'm interested to see how the line matures and how audio developers will leveage the new machine learning cores, esspecially when you look at iZotopes recent trend towards AI mixing.
Thanks Nick. Actually when you were comparing the M1 to the M1 pro session, there was a lot of points (for example 13:38 and 13:48),
where the Pro was hovering around 50%CPU and the M1 was around 80%. Only for a second or 2 at a time, but that might be the difference in avoiding "core audio overload" quiet a bit more.
The screen size and ports are a huge plus
The video editing is ludicrous. Kicks the desktop Mac's butt
More squarer vibe aspect ratio. A new technical term. 🙃
If it were possible to duel boot between being a Mac with the new M1 processor, and rebooting and working as a PC clone with no restrictions and the ability to run all PC VST synths, I'd be more interested in this. I already have a significant PC collection of VST synths. As a PC clone, these look pretty good for the money. Less interested in the Mac world, but if it could do both equally without Bootcamp restrictions, it could be considered.
Is there much performance improvements for VST synths used for live performance without needing to double as a multi-track recorder or run tracks? Just running as a sound module, or would a decent PC using Intel be just as good at present?
Does this not run wine?
I have yet to see anyone demonstrate a difference with M1 RAM quantity for audio software.
The things that seem to pay off for music production with the M1 family is the multiple CPU cores and high-efficiency unified RAM.
If there was ever something that is parallelizable it's modular synthesis and audio processing. Even apps like VCV Rack that are
multi-threaded but are running Rosetta (i.e. haven't been ported to ARM) seem to benefit from the 8 CPU cores. Audio production
configurations running multiple plugins often use multiple threads and thus multiple cores.
I would like to see someone analyze the difference between the M1, M1 Pro (18,2) and M1 Pro (18,1). (The latter is the $2500 model.)
- The M1 has 4 performance CPU cores and 4 efficiency cores.
- The M1 Pro (18,2) has 6 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores.
- The M1 Pro (18,1) has 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores.
- The M1 Max chips also have 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores.
(The M1, M1 Pro and M1 Max also have different RAM speeds.)
I don't know if much music software takes advantage of multiple GPUs for audio processing. I suspect to do that a piece of software can't
be cross-platform. But I am speculating. That limits you to Apple-brand music software and a few odd and ends to tap into the quantity of
GPUs in the M1 Pro and Max chips. For example, I'm guessing the new Dolby Atmos processing in Logic Pro uses the GPUs.
There is nothing "high efficiency" about the M1's RAM (other than powerdraw) and "unified memory" is something the Intel Macs also had.
@@thedausthed except the unified part you are absolutely correct
You are doing a half decent add for MAC ! For music production it might be hard to find the specifics that you outline .The application of the setup also .They should give you a unit and maybe even a cheese grater !
Run max msp
One very good thing worth mentioning is that the thunderbolt ports now actually have separate lanes. No sharing whatsoever. So that 4K screen would not interfere with the other peripherals.
Yep. 40gb/s per port
I love me a well used computer.
At 3.25 there's a M1 just cooked in the microwave and ready for serving.
Check out on the reported memory leak issues of the new M1s before pulling the trigger.
This is good to know and thanks.
I heard about this, it was tracked down to something in the OS to do with custom cursor size through Accessibility? I heard that on the TWiT Network...
Good to see Nick. I don't think you mentioned IO buffer size used?
Unfortunately one reason for powerful computers is the latency. Especially if you wan't to use plugins while producing and recording.
I wish some new technology would come up just focusing on the latency thing. I'm pretty sure more than want to have as close to no latency possible when we play our soft synths e.g.
128 for most stuff. 64 for small projects. With external soundcard depends heavily on interface
@@micindir4213 Is that what you use or did you see Nick having this setting?
I’ve just bought an M1 iMac. Amazing machine, so near silent too.
yeah we looked at the iMac, very nice, but that needed more ports for sure. Lovely screen
@@sonicstate there’s 4 and a head phone. You forgot to mention these macs run iOS apps too?
I'd love an M1 iMac. Currently using a 2010 27"... But I have very bad eyesight, so downgrading to a 24" screen doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I see there are new 27" iMacs now, but they're not M1 (yet???)
@@martybyrnemusic the access in iOS is great, font and screen zooming etc. The screen is pin sharp if using at desk sized distance and you can attach a second monitor
@@DaraM73 I'm thinking of going for a MBP, I've seen online that I can use my iMac as monitor apparently... Best of both worlds then...
1TB/s usb disc. That is fast. :)
Power......more.....POWER.....MORE POWER!!!!! ;)
All you need is to forget about every little amazing, but not active supported plugin.
Totally agree, the vanilla M1 computers are more than adequate for most audio production uses. If you're doing more video centric work you might appreciate the M1 Pro or Max configurations.
The 16Gig Ram limit on the standard M1 machines can be a problem for musicians using large Kontakt libraries (for instance) The system uses the ssd to make up for the lack of Ram, which often works fine but increases wear and reduces the life of the SSD..which of course cannot be changed on the new machines (since 2016 actually)
@@mcal27 I actually have a question regarding this. How's the whole RAM sharing with SSD thing works? The machine with 16gb of RAM will only accept (for example) 16gb of contact libraries, no more than that. I see the RAM limit being a problem and not the lifespan of the SSD
@@alexeybelan3787 no, the kontakt sampler (and most other software samplers) load a small amount of each sample into ram when the preset is loaded. The remainder being streamed directly from disk. So you can run large sample libraries on a 16 gig machine but they will decrease the available memory as each sound is loaded. Many composers use tens of instances of Kontakt in a scoring session and a 16 gig mac will simply grind to a halt. I have supplied ( and support ) many Mac mini 2018 and Mac Pro 2019 systems and we spec the max 64 gig the mini can support and often double or more in the current Mac Pro.
@@mcal27 Hi Alan. Have you had any opportunity to test this further. I’d heard the blazing fast transfer speeds between the unified memory and SSD (200 gr/sec?) make 16gb feel more like 32gb. I’m in the market for one and would be interested to hear your views as someone who actually works with the things.
@@petegreenfield8366 not yet no… well only on a 16gig M1. My 64gig MacBook Pro still hasn’t shipped annoyingly, but I have looked into how an Apple Silicon mac handles offloading Ram tasks to storage and yes you are correct for many tasks, but the problem with this is that the read/writes to the internal (non replaceable) SSD increase dramatically which means they will possibly fail much quicker than in a Mac with enough Physical Ram for the task. Also the access speed of the drives is still not as quick as the ram chips in current Macs so when streaming multiple streams of audio at minimum possible latency (as you do when playing back disk streaming Kontakt presets) drive caching in lieu of Ram capacity still is not a good solution.. I do foresee a multitude of eBay auctions for 8gig Ram M1 macs with dead ssd’s hitting the market in a few short years.. Any help?
4:58 900MB/s is not almost a terabyte a second. I think you meant gigabyte?
yes, apologies, not sure how that one got through.
they brought back all the features that Jony Ive got rid of.
that's why Jony is out ..lol
I bought the M1 iPad Pro as I just ain’t a pro type type guy
I started with the 13 and got the pro a couple of weeks ago. I...it has been amazing. I'm a full-time composer and it honestly gives my fully loaded Mac Pro a run for its money in a few ways.
900 MB/s is closer to a GB/s than a TB/s.
Yes good point 😁
It's a bit funny to me how companies try to improve on the already superior display quality further more while the limiting factor today is clearly human eyesight.
Almost a gigabyte per second not a terabyte.
MIDI is a mess with them right now.
I'm neither an expert on Logic or the M1 Platform, but i don't think your performance test is adequate. There should be way better parrallelization and core usage. The m1 pro/max should outperform the baseline m1 by a factor of at least two. I'd love a similar test on Bitwig 4.
Would love to see that also for Bitwig
I am never going to use Dolby ATMOS. When/if there is a fully open and license free solution for it I'm on. I definitely don't want to use an audio format that requires the existence of an chip or license from one specific vendor to be able to play it back properly.
thanks for this.
it confirms what was also my input on this : other than the IO/ports …and the screen quality&size…the Pro machine won’t justify its price bump, over the initial M1s.
On the other hand, though..once one gets an upgraded M1 Air, for eg.. with a 1T SSD, and 16G of RAM, it sort of gets pricey enough to sort of, cancel the massive difference in price, over the Pro’s premium..
cheers from Portugal
Exactly. A new macbook air M2 spec'd at 16gb ram and 1tb hard drive is $1,900.
@@Funkbutterfly You will say the same thing after 6 years? if i spend a considerably amount of money i want a machine which will last in time. Are you sure it will be the case also with the M1?
the base model wont cut it if you want more plugins power, it only has 6 performance cores, the M1 PRO with 10 cores, has 8 high performance cores, thats double of the classic M1 and the maximum vailable atm, even the max 64GB has the same 10 cores. so for performance hungry users the base model with the upgraded 10 core M1 PRO is the best choice.
great review nick! but, the efficiency, while certainly nice for the environment, the Killer feature that this brings to the table for us Audio People is that we wont hear any fans at all even on big projects. we need the performance in real time, we cannot just wait longer for the rendereing like a video editor does.
but a render process goas full load the entire time, while our process always varies, we just need to handle the peaks.
never heard the fans till now, its an absolute dream come true for me.
desktop computers are no longer a thing, only for very special needs.
this machine is just incredible!
This is literally a first world problem, should I spend a bunch money in something that is more then enough for my needs, or should I spend even more a bunch of money for an extra port? The second world would probably buy a laptop and a full home studio gear for this price lol.
But of course it is an excellent machine, and I hope other brands catch up as soon as possible :)
ps: I mean for music production only
Hmm testing Mac M1 with Mac only software (logic) is ... a simple test. Everybody knows it's optimized. What if I use Ableton Live, Bitwig, some Native Instruments "big" plugins ? What if i load hundreds of VST plugins ?
We all know it's not only about performance, but about stability too. The history shows (ie. release of Catalina, Big Sur) that Mac environment, especially OS, may be a kind of a boomer. A lot of things may not work out of the box - when Big Sur was released, Ableton and NAtive Instruments were NOT recommending updating to latest OS. Is Monterrey supported by all the big DAWs ?
I mean, honestly, choosing Logic to ... "test Mac M1" is not the best. It's similar to tons of videos that show that M1 works nicely with Final Cut Pro. Yea, I would be surprised when Mac M1 + Big Sur / Monterrey wouldn't even work with native Apple software. But what about other software ? Majority of musicians use plenty of different combination of software. How does this work ? I would love to see such video ! :)
I mean - I know that Apple M1 is very nice laptop, if you use Apple only software (there are hundreds videos like this on youTube) BUT what if you prefer other software ??? What if you prefer ie. some older plugins ? That's the real test.
I have this anxiety feeling.. that no computer will be fast enough for my audio production needs... The M1 Pro is supposed to be up to 70% more CPU performance.. and in the atmos video.. the M1 was being stress by Logic + the Dolby Atmos app.
There's this way where, with a little time, as soon is you get more performance you adjust you're work practices to those performance gains.. but before you do that.. you feel like you have more then enough power.
There's yet to be any content, on the new Mac Pros, that has really been able to give me a sense of what performance might look like relative to the way I tend to want to work.. which might be something like VI's + my signal processing chain inclinations.
Am not in audio production, but you are absolutely correct. As someone who’s been using the M1 Pro for a couple weeks, my best advice is to fully understand how the software you use daily is performing on these new chips. What I’ve been finding is some of the applications I use (that are Intel based and running through Rosetta 2) are performing like trash. Basically unusable…. So, I have to basically use my old computer within my workflow to accomplish my tasks. Just because an application my be running through Rosetta 2, don’t assume that it performs well, or to the level you typically use it at…. For software that was built first for Intel, I have a feeling many of the companies are scrambling at this point to get Apple developers to work on their software….
@@NOT_A_TOP_FAN Yeah.. Nick is of course at least using stuff that run natives of M1 chips...
What you're speaking to is exactly the problem I'm running into, as I consume content on the new Mac Pros, trying to get a picture of how the performance would impact me.. that I'm not in a great position to be able to translate what folks are doing to the particulars of what I'm doing.
That it's a problem.. suggests to me that addressing it might be an opportunity for content producers.
Meh. 200 bucks more and you get the full 10 core chip up from the 8 core. Literally twice the performance cores of the M1. That’s 200 well spent. Another 20% boost on top of what was already a 25% boost.
@@mootsym You're not related to the late great Joe Maneri, are you?
@@badoedipus2551 no, but unbelievable enough, my dad's name is Joe, and we both play piano lol.
Saw a video of a guy putting the M1 8 GB RAM to heavy duty test along side a M1 PRO with higher RAM and they both handled the project the same way. It was pushed beyond what a normal music producer would do and it only hit 25%ish mark in CPU hit……so ya a basic M1 with 8 GB RAM is MORE than enough for music producers. No doubt about it. I saw it proven with my own eyes.
would love to see this if you can find the video
Not any quieter than my new intel mbp i bought 2 weeks ago.
Why would you have bought an intel mbp? Was it a conscious decision, or didn''t you know any better?
@@patrickbateman7444 the latter
@@patrickbateman7444I exchanged it to the m1 chip version...
@@stephenroldan5107 nice, great machine! Enjoy
So the Macbook Pro is not pro equipment, not a shocker, it's a laptop which is for travel. Disadvantages:
- ARM breaks compatibility with dwindling DAWs. Business as usual, hence "only show in town" DAW and video editor quick tests (everyone recognizes this by now.)
- yet another different charger port (again as usual)
- dongle for extra storage, and proprietary interface (again as usual)
- poor connectivity (again as usual)
- HDMI 2.0 from 2013 in 2021, really? Well at least you can have all of 2 monitors. Hasn't been a problem for anyone else since 2006.
- pros don't care about laptop speakers. At all. Useless feature and don't know why this is even mentioned.
- no ASIO audio I/O built in, in 2021. Costs $20, but Apple wants to max out profit.
- so "Guitar and Mic" bare bones huge dongle audio interface for $170 required. Worth $0 to a(n aspiring) pro, throw it in the trash.
If you're a pro you have a studio, and you put a desktop in it with a digital mixer and save $900. Easy and done! Now you can enjoy it and add to it for a decade without putting yourself at risk of the next 'power move' by a corporation deleting your work. Double win! :)
Apple occasionally makes a desktop computer. But Apple fans don't buy them because they're even more overpriced and limited. The focus is clear: only incompatible iDevices to replace your 2yo iProduct which is for some reason not cutting it, and if it does, they'll break compatibility at next Monday meeting. So for the foreseeable future, you will be stuck with laptop / laptop-on-a-stand / cheapo cable box-alike, all in the same Alu blob 'designer' package. Yay? *Shake of head.*
Surround sound mixing is a gimmick, we only have two ears.
You never listened to binaural?
@@notsure1135 no
Yes & no, it does widen the sound field quite a bit.
The fact that we have two ears doesn't make surround sound pointless. Your ears are capable of determining the direction from which most sounds are coming - that's why it works.
The webcam design is a big mistake.
It honestly isn’t. If you use an iPhone, you’re already used to it. And unless you have a cluttered row of icons (that the notch may cover up), it’s again not an issue if you keep minimal icons. Lots of people complain about it, but once you actually use the device, it becomes a non issue. As someone who’s had the M1 Pro for 2 weeks, it’s fantastic, but my gripe lies within Rosetta 2, and some software that I’ve used with it. The applications have ran like trash and are unusable, so my hope is that developers make more of a priority to optimize these applications (as M1 architecture has now been out for a year)…..
Apple has gone to crap sorry...
Actually headed in a better direction. But that can change overnight
I look forward to you reviewing Apple competitors. Except we all know you won't.
10:54 he predicted someone like you would come along. 😄
why would he Apple > anything
It's simple. Dell or Lenovo don't generate clicks, the top review on youtube for the current gen thinkpad has 1.7m views, for the m1 max it's 5.6m.
@@modularsamples very simple. They don't generate clicks because they are trash compared to Apple 🗑.
Unless you get a custom made
mac is wack sauce
I really hate them but did just get a mbp.
As the pc i wanted was around $ 4,000.
Custom of course.
Should be more like "Do you need a very expensive laptop which is not expandable from a company that treats you with contempt and does everything possible to prevent you getting an economical repair to your device". Or "do you want to control how much storage and RAM you have? well sorry, we're Apple and we solder everything to the main board so you can't".
Don't get me wrong. The processor is good, but Apple doesn't make professional computers any more. That stopped the second they made it impossible to upgrade the RAM, replace the drives recover data from them easily.
Just like Pro users dumped Final Cut because of dumbing down I reckon they'll lose the musicians eventually.
I agree on what u said, but I wonder how many windows PC laptop users expand their laptops in any way ever. 5%?? You buy a laptop with the specs you need and then you use it... That's it.
You say professionals dumped fcp. That may be true. But that doesn't necessarily mean that apple lost mac users. I, myself, dumped fcp and switched to Resolve but it would never have come to my mind to switch to windows. The new Macbook Pros are brutal. And I think with my M1 Max arriving in December, I'm definitely switching back to fcp as it's so perfectly omptimized and runs just flawlessly. The software is limited and lacks certain features, I agree, but the hardware isn't dumbed down.
@@JesseJuup its not only upgradeability but also repairability though - you can pretty much change a failed disk or memory or a fan etc from a laptop if it ever breaks on your own if you know the basics. If that happens to your apple, good luck with finding and ordering parts, desoldering and soldering.
Strange observation. I am a professional user ie. I earn my living by using a Mac (and have done so for a number of years). I was forced to use another type of computer in the past and I always found it more difficult to use for my business. The M1 chips are amazing and the productivity improvements I am experiencing are in the order of 20 ~ 30%. Based on this I am expecting that the investment should pay back in less than 1 year.
Until the day MS will implement audio drivers on the level of coreaudio I don't see it happening anytime soon
Apple is the most profitable company in the world. That means (by definition) that they extract excess money from you, the purchaser of their products, to give to their investors. This is plain to see when you compare the prices to other offerings. Apple rips you off. This transglobal corporation exploits labour in all the countries they operate, far more than other tech companies. They don't even pay the billions of taxes they owe (in places like Ireland), with the effect that local communities are sucked dry of labour and resources with nothing returned.
Apple are the most exploitative company on the planet. A planet that is dying. To consider them as being "greener" is short-sighted in the extreme.
Anyone who cares won't buy a computer you cannot upgrade, cannot service, restricts you from using legacy apps, cannot connect to most things (no ethernet, limited ports etc.) and which will become landfill before its time.
No doubt such a computer will perform excellently for audio, but then again so will any computer from the past decade or so, providing it was not crippled (as previous MacBooks were... thermal throttling, etc. ).
Nick says he's not a fanboy but doesn't point out that other computers have drives just as fast, screens just as good, more ports, more options, and cheaper prices. The one thing the M1 chip does is provide more processing power for the amount of electrical power. That's a fact and a compelling advantage.
But put against all the other factors I've mentioned and it doesn't mean a thing.
A fair review would acknowledge that 9 out of 10 areas in which Apple claims to be innovating are false. As always.
All good points. It is true, that you cannot upgrade their machines and and you pay premium. BUT, we're talking music here, and if you ever had chance to compare asio to coreaudio you'll know who's going to win. If it's your hobby - sure, you can work on Framework laptop no problem: - but if you need to deliver 3 mixes by this evening, you'll be glad you can play back track from youtube, and play your track from daw WITHOUT DISABLING DRIVER (seriously!? wtf?! Are we on Atari ST or something with win10? MS audio and video priority are pure trash) you will see that the difference being overworking every day just to get through driver problems, audio interfaces not connecting and similar problems. Again, you should appreciate revolution, when you see one. This is a revolution in computing, that was unseen for about 10+ years now.
And also I've realized I need 1 hour less soundcheck time with mac! Can you imagine? I no longer need to scan my live set with 300+ tracks and see if I have any greyed out midi in ports (because windows enumerates every usb device in every usb port as separate registry entry). I've had hackintoshed t440p for awhile - awsome machine, that is pre-Framework in concept - socketed CPU, RAM, 3 storage options, but it failed on me on the soundcheck. And that is something you should be able to tolarate if you want a machine with many exchangable parts. Also after restoring its function, I could not boot it from my m.2 drive straight into hackos. That means I've lost compatibility with older project and have to spend extra time extracting my projects and info. The thing is, while I had win10, I had some dropouts popping up randomly. It had top of 4th gen i7 and new audio interface. Then I hacked it and all clicks and pops are gone. Why? No differenece in hardware WHAT-SO-EVER. NONE. Windows for audio is thrash. If you're okay spending 10-30 minutes every day fixing stuff and reading up on how to solve issues that shouldn't exist in the first place its ok (like playing back youtube video and playing back your daw at the same time. If you use ASIO, you should use specific samplerate and itsdifferentforeverymanufactureritmightworkwithrmebutnotscarlettokwithsteinbergthisyearkompleteaudiodoesntwork-yada-yada-yada. It's honestly not what what you should spend your life on). I'm not OK with this.
Considering all this, right now mac is way ahead in terms of ease of use and stuff. Sometimes mainstage have saved me some jam session - just literally plug any midi keyboard and you have perfectly adequate piano or rhodes in your hands. With windows not so much.
The point is, until we have software alternative THAT IS ANY GOOD, we're stuck with bad choice and even worse.
Boo-friggin-hoo you’re a woke weenie
Oh, the butthurt. Fastest SSD in any laptop to this point in time. Best screen on any laptop at this time. No laptop with this level of CPU/GPU speed, SSD speed, memory bandwidth, and screen (resolution, color and lighting consistency, color gamut, and dynamic range), in a durable aluminum chassis, will cost less. In fact, there is no laptop that can hit the measured 240GB/s memory bandwidth (in CPU-only tests) of the M1 Max, much less the 200GB/s of the Pro, because nothing that Intel or AMD has comes to even half that, including Alder Lake and the 5900X. Only with high core count and massive power draw can anything come close to the performance of these machines in a laptop form factor, but at the cost of crappy battery life, and lots of noise, heat, and weight, slower RAM, and slower SSD.
@@mwdiers it has to do with x86 architecture primarily. Historically x86 could do math correctly, while arm is a variant of RISC-computer (reduced instruction set) and is multimedia type . Multimedia means lightning fast transfer rate with not much memory , storage or deep computing (at least that was a concept on early 2000s). Basically arm chips can stream stuff at high res, while x86 is good at doing proper math. I've read somewhere that on arm you had to do a workaround for something simple as square root (like 100 more linea of code), but streaming 4k does require less code to run.
@Endorphin Parametric
Wrong. Apple's dividend yield amounts to 0.71%. Investors do not profit at all considering the low dividend yield. Many other laptops can no longer be upgraded either (Samsung, Dell, Asus etc. etc.)!!
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They don't even pay the billions of taxes they owe (in places like Ireland), with the effect that local communities are sucked dry of labour and resources with nothing returned.
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Apple do pay taxes in Ireland like any other foreign tech company. The villain is Ireland itself. That country should have raised the tax rate for these companies!