Because there are huge differences between what you are anecdotally relaying on your fence, and what the port wanted to do with land that is already zoned correctly. Everything from the machinery behind it (how many lawyers did you engage for approval, did you pre-consult before application, etc.) to the number of jobs created.
i live a km or 2 away from all this and knew nothing of this construction project. its all about the east west tunnel project. thanks for highlighting this!!
One of the biggest problems with freight rail is single track on nearly all main lines. This means trains are constantly stopping to allow another train to pass in the opposite direction. Too often our politicians just make the "Australia is too big" excuse instead of just slowly and regularly extending dual track to greatly increase efficiency.
Or actively decommissioning rail lines, like the one along the Mallee Hwy, because "it's expensive." So all the extra truck traffic has ruined the road, which is more expensive to maintain than rail.
Glad this is finished, we need more rail freight in Victoria! Lots of work still to do with building new connections, maintaining track, and allowing freight trains on at all times of day. I live next to the freeway and a train line which lead to the Port of Melbourne, and I’ll be glad of the day when I hear more freight going past on trains than on trucks!
@@MbisonBalroggetting trucks off roads ...I think there is so much support that they are building roads and tunnels to the port just to take trucks away from residential areas and put them straight into the port ...whish B1M had some more on the new tunnels and roads
@@MbisonBalrog ru drunk ?....they distribute containers from the port to warehouses and shopping precincts and then get the goods to store from there ... mostly from distro points tho!
Oh man I remember that part of the series. Tony trying to pitch the intermodal freight facility and getting shot down because it wasn’t as sexy as high speed rail.
For anyone interested, the project at 5:34 at Swanson Dock was a different project meant to replace the deck for Swanson Dock West 1. As apart of the project, the largest land based piling rig in the southern hemisphere was mobilized to site to to drive 46m long piles in a single length!
Well that explains all the massive whumping noises that kept waking me up during the day when I was working night shift last year… I live in port Melbourne not far from Webb Dock…
Yep ..although we do drink a lot of beer ...been to the warehouses that distribute them ...mind blowing ..huge cold store...and multi palate forklifts to load trucks on fingers ..very impressive
Thank you for posting this video B1M! As someone who regularly takes photos at the docks, often when a ship or train arrives into Victoria Dock, there’s often upwards of 50 trucks all lined up along the roads awaiting container pickups. A good example of lack of space in the docks, Aurizon could not fit their train at Victoria Dock, so they moved out to North Dynon so they could fit the entire train in the yard without splitting it.
It's been such an issue that there has been for years a literal *booking system* for trucks to arrive at the port for pickup or drop-off, with rules like not turning up more than half an hour early or the like.
Here in the USA, our freight trains are normally a little over a mile (1.6 km) long, but it's also somewhat common to see trains over 2 miles (3.2 km) long. As railroads chase unsustainable never-ending growth, trains are getting even longer, so long they dont even fit on sidings or in yards anymore, because it is cheaper to run less longer trains than more smaller ones. It's crazy to hear the rest of the world talking about a 600 m long train as being "long". The main problem with these mega trains is that they dont fit in the existing infrastructure. It's pretty common in the industrial areas of our major cities for crossings to be blocked for half an hour or more while these trains get assembled or wait for another to pass. They're a great sight to see if you're a railfan though. Sometimes you wait for 10 minutes at a crossing while the train passes.
Inland rail project currently underway for ARTC is the long a haul train route Melbourne to Brisbane they are upgrading bridges and line in 3 states as well as new corridors linking Toowoomba -Brisbane for the future with double stack containers like Usa!
One day in the future it will turn into Docklands high density urban residential area, with no docks except maybe some passenger terminals. Then they may bring back the Spirit instead of it going to Geelong.
@@newsgetsold All passenger traffic is handled by Station Pier at the end of the Number 109 tramline. However the state government raised the fees so much that the cruise lines (and Tasmanian ferry) have diverted ships away from Melbourne, so Station Pier has received a lot less ships in the last few years, thus there is no need to relocate it.
@@Dave_Sissonand they never put on shore power for the spirit of spew so it barfed soot all day and night while being loaded and unloaded ..the people of port Melbourne breathe it all in ... especially the close high rise
Sure he does ? The channel is a mix of new projects, refurbishments of existing assets or histories of completed assets Just in the last few uploaded videos “The Bridge that changed Europe” is about the tallest bridge in the world that was finished 20 years ago in central France
Unless you're a Melbourne tobacco shop, or a live in inner Melbourne with the out of control gang wars, with little or no policing. Oh and the banning of Australia day, and the socialist state government bankrupting the state and having the highest taxes. Yeah Melbourne is awesome. :D
That Labor government in Victoria has been phenomenal with their absolutely massive infrastructure projects. Looking into the future for the next generation to benefit
I live in the inner west and this project, along with (1) the new tunnel, (2( the new laws around heavy transport vehicle curfews and (3) the improvements to the rail infrastructure for commuters in the form of the new digital metro on the Sunbury line and the regional rail works from a couple years ago are completely transforming the inner West for the better. Long overdue and a credit to the government.
@@Sebastianmaz615 and many other towns all over the world - built as sea port on some river estuary in undeveloped area with some interesting resources, grew fast sitting on transit (prospectors, farmers, everybody else left poor, port city flourished)... finally nothing left only Big Swamp. Russian version is Spb, the same swamp just frozen.
All this talk of rail, you should cover the inland rail build, and how it will connect even further north thru NSW up to Queensland.. Great vid guys! Love seeing home stuff on your channel! 👍🏼👍🏼
Be fantastic to get rid of the 3-400m truck journey from Appleton dock rail siding to the port!!! And the people of Yarraville will love the cleaner air, long overdue. This is a good spend
In Hamburg, we have the same problem of a harbour, the 3rd largest in Europe, being in the center of a large city. Here, however, it is already served by the 2nd largest rail yard in the world. Nice to see that other ports are following suit.
The amount of construction going on in that area was incredible. Not only was there the Port Rail Project but at the same time, Transurban were building the Westgate Tunnel project (ironically, about 50% of this tunnel is actually elevated road). You can see the bridges in the foreground at 10:28. This was almost like the other part of it. The WTP was designed to get trucks out of the Yarraville area by going underneath it and straight to the Westgate Freeway. It's due to open at the end of 2025. What we need now to back it up is new rolling stock. If you think those engines look old it's because they are. In fact, they're probably older than you realise.
If they were smart they would build a new terminal at Point Wilson just near Avolon Domestic Airport. Build a train line from there and this will cater for both ship and air freight and the current terminal section and port can be developed that is right next to the city.
Port isn't going to just give up their location. Government may push them out though in the next 200 years. Then the land can all be redeveloped into high density urban.
As a Melburnian that has a *slight* interest in trains, i have always noticed only 1 train per weekday (Pacific National 2MB4) is 1800m and it heads to Sydney. (I do belive that the crossing loops on the Western Standard Gauge line are only 1500m). I hope this leads to more and longer trains but i think some of the other places like the Sunshine Triangle and the curve near Albion station need upgrades as currently trains crawl through that. Anyways this is great. Good job!
Somerton Intermodal is private facility under construction now! The Gov's Truganina and Beverage precincts are in the planning stage. The Beveridge Terminal will be built first and then Truganina as capacity is needed, This all ties into the ARTC Inland Rail route Melbourne to Brisbane This coincided with the need for the Outer Suburban Ring /E6 to link the terminals by road with the possibility of rail inside the E6 corridor. All public listed planning if you google it !
I live about a kilometre away from here. There’s a great park and walking track running along the side of it that leads to a viewing platform where you can basically do the whole Otis Redding thing and waste some time lol. The viewing platform has been designed to emit different tonal notes when it is windy. In the middle of winter when the wind is really blowing it howls like a thousand screaming banshees and on days like that I like to don my full length oilskins walk out there to the point with my Doberman and striking a dramatic pose stare broodingly at the ocean. Mainly because I live in close proximity to a place where I can strike a dramatic pose and stare broodingly at ocean while accompanied by a chorus of a thousand screaming banshees lol. Amazingly, especially in winter, hardly anyone goes there. Which makes me quite happy (while simultaneously undermining my brooding) in the middle of a city of 5.1 million people
At 1:21 the video shows the Queen Victoria Building, located on George Street in Sydney. And the banner hanging from the smart pole is promoting Sydney & a Sydney tram (different to Melbourne’s trams) is coming towards the camera. 😂
@@bmunson4920 I wasn't paying that much attention to those scenes. So maybe they used video clips from copyright free sources. The wider scenes were of Melbourne though.
@@newsgetsold It is a minor thing, but Sydney is serviced by port Botany which is in Sydney which transports a similar amount of containers to port Melbourne.
It's great to see that more rail infrastructure is being put in in Melbourne but in reality I'm pretty sure that there is very little rail container transport in the state. Almost all of the container traffic goes onto a truck as there are very few freight lines leaving Melbourne.
Victorian governments from both sides seem to treat freight rail as an inconvenience. Most of the grain branchlines were maintained so poorly they were virtually unusable until recently, and they reneged on converting a bunch of it to standard gauge.
I have an unused grain freightline that I can see looking out my front window. When the Melbourne - Bendigo rail line was converted to a single continuous "high" speed track it meant the freight pretty much couldn't get used any longer except in the dead of night and most of the time that's just grain being shipped south. I expect to be dead and buried before there's a rail link to Tullamarine airport. It's long overdue but there's too much money in parking fees for it to go ahead without huge resistance. Passenger and rail freight to the airport is long overdue. Melbourne might be Australias biggest city but of the 3 biggest cities it's the only 1 with no rail connection to it's airport. Adelaide and Melbourne are the 2 lagging behind out of the mainland capitals.
@@Alan_Hans__ The rail connection to the airport is approved and in progress. Behind schedule, yes, but it's still happening. Expect it by early next decade.
I have experience with the performance of the local state MP from just the other side of the disused freight line near me. She couldn't do anything on time or on budget since the day she took office. As the minister in charge of the 2026 commonwealth games she has been highly responsible for big Victorian projects. That 1 didn't happen and cost Victorian taxpayers $380M in a settlement fee on top of the millions that had already been spent. As I said before I expect to be dead and buried before there is a Tullamarine rail link. I also expect to be dead and buried in 2-3 decades time.
not directly, its almost not possible to load containers directly from incoming train to ships - they all go to/from different ships. But if rail siding is just 500m away from the berth, like in any good port, - everything loads and unloads to the same storage area. One local loader takes chest from train, second takes it from storage and moves to berth, no road truck required.
First of all - standard gauge rail network does not terminate in Adelaide and Sydney, it begins in Brisbane and ends in Perth. And Victorian broad gauge, in opposite, does not reach Sydney at all and Adelaide for 30 years, since the line was converted to standard gauge. So all this Victorian gauge mess means that local (Victorian) transportation is very limited and diminishing (Mildura line was recently standartised, for example) but interstate network has no sense to exclusively use Melbourne port, Sydney and Adelaide have the same access to it with better coverage of standard gauge around. NSW rail has, for example, rail loops for 1.5km trains, so 600-800m Melbourne port trains are not competitive. Second - the port location. 150 years ago it was outskirts of the single big town, sea gate to goldfields, plenty of slums with abundant cheap manual labour workforce, exactly what required for manual-handling 19th century big port. Now it is the very middle of megapolis, constrained space, no transport corridors, contaminated soil, limited dock size, limited rail sidings length, layers of semiabandoned structures and systems underground... Sydney used to have similar facilities in the same centre - Darling Harbour, Rozelle, everything was kicked out from there to Botany bay, modern new-built container terminal with good truck access, mighty rail branch, plenty of space, easy ship access and so on. And old port lands in the city was redeveloped, creating world-class Darling Harbour precinct for tourists, entertainment and residence. London made the same with its dock - now its worldwide known Canary Wharft. Why Melbourne continues to develop this port in the middle of megapolis instead of Geelong or so? Ah, yes, thats Melbourne, question "why they do such a dumb thing" is not relevant, they always do it this way.
You just mad at Melbourne growing so fast bro! Your framing neglects the historical place of Melbourne as the nation's mineral and industrial heartland - all to assert it is the problem? The only problem in Melbourne is how to juggle the several hundred billion being invested in infrastructure to take the city to 8 million residents by 2040... Don't fret for us - we'll be OK👌
@mahonjt Melbourne and minerals? Melbourne never mined anything, but robbed all miners and farmers. If someone had passion and skills he went to Bendigo and lost, if he could only serve beer and demand govt benefits - he settled in boundless Melbourne slums. Nowadays its even worse, the whole 5m town produces nothing at all, only govt bs destroying the whole state economy. Not only money wasting, but twice more destroy. Kommifornia-2.
Distribution is why, putting it all out at Geelong and then getting it to Dandenong is just asking for more bottlenecking than there already is. Build extra capacity at Avalon for sure to handle overflow but moving stuff further and further out of the city just creates a transport nightmare when everyone is tripping over everyone. Less trips = less traffic, both on road and rail. Having stuff closer to where it needs to be = less traffic in the first place
@@DounutCereal if the idea is to improve rail connection - it means these chests go not to Dandenong, but out of Melbourn area. And in this case Geelong/Avalon is much more convenient, with its standard gauge rail line going not thru the very city but via boundless plains.
The last time is was in Melbourne the Greens were protesting dredging the channel into the port. They needed to dredge the channel so larger ships could dock in the port.
Would have been good to get the government approval to build the new rail container terminal in little river away from the city center but unfortunately that was unable to get EPA approval and the private investment from Pacific National is going to pursue other ventures.
if the OMR/E6 had rail up the middle as planned pacific national could avoid going through Werribee and the metro network and bypass on to the inland route
i love these videos, they are so well thought through! I have one recommendation with the flashing slide transitions, they unfortunately may spark epileptic migraines for me and others who suffer from similar visual things. I'm generally okay with them, but other people might not be so lucky :((
Port Worker: We need to upgrade! Australia: It's too expensive, time consuming, and confusing! Port Worker: What about our imported beer? 2:08 Australia: What are we waiting for! This should have been built yesterday!
In Perth, they upgraded on train line, which did not have much traffic compared to other large cities. Yet they still elevate the train line and made half dozen overpasses. It just tells you how wealthy Australia is I doubt any other country can compete with them interms of infrastructure spending per capita
Oh yes, in spendind and wasting money Australia is the first. Inland rail - 30B! Melbourne suburban loop - 150B! Silly Sunshine rail with capacity 20000 pax per day - 25 or even 30B! Snow river - 15B! Pumped storage in Qld - 15B! Martians will send us all these money, hurrray, full steam ahead! And then everybody asks why everything is so expensive. Because we WASTED these money, not created value but destroy it.
@MaxSnowDude muahaha. Draw a horse! 30 Oct 2024 - State net debt is forecast to increase from 13% of GDP ($357.5 billion) in 2024‑25 to 14.8% of GDP ($471.9 billion) in 2027‑28
Why do you use square meters when talking about a space which can be described in hectares.... I mean, I get that big numbers sound more impressive, but I think that 8.2 Hectares gives people a better idea of the size, and is a more useful measurement in general then 82 thousand square meters..
Would a ship side train tracks allow direct unloading onto flat bed trains, with dock container trucks along side train, to allow offloading to either train or truck.
Better to just use the dockside cranes to unload and load the ships. Other smaller equipment can then be used to load trains and trucks. Ships don't like being in port longer than they need to. I don't know much about the port in Melbourne. In Sydney (Port Botany), they load the trains depending on destination. Many "trip trains" use dedicated freight lines to take containers to intermodals in the suburbs. Keeps a lot of trucks out of the local roads.
It would but it’d take too long; you’d have to keep moving the train up by however many cranes you have and that start/stop is inefficient. Time to unload and reload is everything for the shop owners.
Very unusual for you or to give specifics instead of huge you normally say how many acres currently and planed expansion is, or number of containers handled in a year etc. Was there a lack of data on this project?
"We need to find other ways to get containers in and out of the ports." High capacity potato cannons. And maybe nets at the receiving end. (I'm joking, obviously. I hope it was obvious. If it wasn't obvious, I pray that things improve (and I hold no expectation of that).)
Well Melbourne is now Australia's largest city and projected to grow faster than Sydney. The rail linkages from Melbourne fan out to Adelaide and Sydney so has a catchment area that covers half of the population of Australia.
Melbourne's infrastructure is woefully inadequate particularly rail the roads are choked with traffic for a small city and over dependent on car use. If you live in the western suburbs huge double semi trailers and semi-trailers are common on suburban and inner-city streets to the detriment of people's health and inefficiency to transport these containers. The lack of rail leading to DCs is a huge oversite as is the lack of rail public transport. The location of the port on the fringe of the CBD is insane. It's odd to see a low-tech infrastructure on this great channel perhaps you could have contrasted Melbourne with a high-tech high performance port in China or Japan.
So, you want a construction channel to discuss how a city (the biggest on Australia) is smaller than the largest cities in th biggest nations on Earth - just to shit post the smaller one?
All this energy spent trying to make a port that the interviewee concedes is in completely the wrong location and nobody else on earth still does container freight like this. Instead of being privatised the Port should have been sold and redevloped as high density housing. Having a massive industrial site right next to your CBD is completely bonkers. Redevelop Bay west AND Hastings, and devolve the Port of Melbourne.
12 weeks to put all that into official plans 😮
Why does it take my council 2 years to approve a fence... 😢
Money!
haha I was going to say why did a major project have to be rushed like that
Because there are huge differences between what you are anecdotally relaying on your fence, and what the port wanted to do with land that is already zoned correctly. Everything from the machinery behind it (how many lawyers did you engage for approval, did you pre-consult before application, etc.) to the number of jobs created.
You're not a billionaire.
. Westconnex was being approved for 4 years with huge stink, court hearings and so on.
i live a km or 2 away from all this and knew nothing of this construction project. its all about the east west tunnel project. thanks for highlighting this!!
One of the biggest problems with freight rail is single track on nearly all main lines.
This means trains are constantly stopping to allow another train to pass in the opposite direction. Too often our politicians just make the "Australia is too big" excuse instead of just slowly and regularly extending dual track to greatly increase efficiency.
Or actively decommissioning rail lines, like the one along the Mallee Hwy, because "it's expensive." So all the extra truck traffic has ruined the road, which is more expensive to maintain than rail.
@@roseduste80 Pity people don't realise that better rail, means better roads.👍
@@martythemartian99yeah so narrow minded
Hopefully the Inland Rail Project can remedy some of this. I've already seen some duplication projects in regional areas.
many tracks have even been abandoned is so disappointing
Glad this is finished, we need more rail freight in Victoria! Lots of work still to do with building new connections, maintaining track, and allowing freight trains on at all times of day. I live next to the freeway and a train line which lead to the Port of Melbourne, and I’ll be glad of the day when I hear more freight going past on trains than on trucks!
Melbourne not enough people support that
@@MbisonBalroggetting trucks off roads ...I think there is so much support that they are building roads and tunnels to the port just to take trucks away from residential areas and put them straight into the port ...whish B1M had some more on the new tunnels and roads
@@damfadd then how deliver to customers? Dies in errbody live on the shore and have a dock?
@@MbisonBalrog ru drunk ?....they distribute containers from the port to warehouses and shopping precincts and then get the goods to store from there ... mostly from distro points tho!
@ so still trucks on road. No need for huge port
Congrats to Tony, Nat, Jim, Rhonda, and the whole NBA team for finally getting a project done!
Oh man I remember that part of the series. Tony trying to pitch the intermodal freight facility and getting shot down because it wasn’t as sexy as high speed rail.
🤣🤣🤣
Ooh I doubt Jim and Rhonda had anything to do with making it happen!
I knew I wasn't the only one thinking of this. 😂
@@timconnors they announced it and had a launch! And Kharsten did a website.
For anyone interested, the project at 5:34 at Swanson Dock was a different project meant to replace the deck for Swanson Dock West 1. As apart of the project, the largest land based piling rig in the southern hemisphere was mobilized to site to to drive 46m long piles in a single length!
Wow didn't know that thanks
Well that explains all the massive whumping noises that kept waking me up during the day when I was working night shift last year… I live in port Melbourne not far from Webb Dock…
The beer is for the rest of Australia. The coffee is for Melbourne. :)
Yep ..although we do drink a lot of beer ...been to the warehouses that distribute them ...mind blowing ..huge cold store...and multi palate forklifts to load trucks on fingers ..very impressive
@@damfadd Yes, but we also make a lot and unless it's from Tassie, it comes overland.
@@ElectraFlarefire yep at C.U.B now owned by Asahi ....
The coffee beer is for Thornbury.
Thank you for posting this video B1M!
As someone who regularly takes photos at the docks, often when a ship or train arrives into Victoria Dock, there’s often upwards of 50 trucks all lined up along the roads awaiting container pickups.
A good example of lack of space in the docks, Aurizon could not fit their train at Victoria Dock, so they moved out to North Dynon so they could fit the entire train in the yard without splitting it.
It's been such an issue that there has been for years a literal *booking system* for trucks to arrive at the port for pickup or drop-off, with rules like not turning up more than half an hour early or the like.
I guess you can say it wasn’t in _ship shape_ :)
Haha, nice!
Wow really
It was very imPORTant
Get out 👉🏼
Most cars do not come to Australia inside containers. There are special roll-on, roll-off ships where vehicles are literally just driven on and off.
Ah but the containers are how you export the stolen cars!
@@fndjfgsdk and when the car is in a comtainer, the coke filled tyres are harder for the dogs to smell 😄
Hmm maybe like personal import cars they're talking about. Like American classics and the like. I agree though, it did sound odd to mention cars.
Port Kembla in NSW is where the cars roll off. Except for BYD that ships some in containers via Darwin.
@ The port of melbourne also handles cars
Here in the USA, our freight trains are normally a little over a mile (1.6 km) long, but it's also somewhat common to see trains over 2 miles (3.2 km) long. As railroads chase unsustainable never-ending growth, trains are getting even longer, so long they dont even fit on sidings or in yards anymore, because it is cheaper to run less longer trains than more smaller ones. It's crazy to hear the rest of the world talking about a 600 m long train as being "long". The main problem with these mega trains is that they dont fit in the existing infrastructure. It's pretty common in the industrial areas of our major cities for crossings to be blocked for half an hour or more while these trains get assembled or wait for another to pass. They're a great sight to see if you're a railfan though. Sometimes you wait for 10 minutes at a crossing while the train passes.
Inland rail project currently underway for ARTC is the long a haul train route Melbourne to Brisbane they are upgrading bridges and line in 3 states as well as new corridors linking Toowoomba -Brisbane for the future with double stack containers like Usa!
Woohoo!
A video on my home town of Melbourne. Love it!
Melbourne's projects get a lot of videos on B1M. They seem to be big fans of the projects that are being undertaken.
@@sfb7247cos their big !!! REALLY BIG
.cos no other gov has done much since Kennett !!
Melbourne my city!! Glad to see Docklands docks featured here :)
One day in the future it will turn into Docklands high density urban residential area, with no docks except maybe some passenger terminals. Then they may bring back the Spirit instead of it going to Geelong.
@@newsgetsold All passenger traffic is handled by Station Pier at the end of the Number 109 tramline. However the state government raised the fees so much that the cruise lines (and Tasmanian ferry) have diverted ships away from Melbourne, so Station Pier has received a lot less ships in the last few years, thus there is no need to relocate it.
@@Dave_Sissonand they never put on shore power for the spirit of spew so it barfed soot all day and night while being loaded and unloaded ..the people of port Melbourne breathe it all in ... especially the close high rise
Read an article about the port a couple of month ago and new it was only a matter of time before a B1m video about it popped up on my feed
Nice to see Bentley Systems spotlighted. I first used their microstation software in 1989.
ive never seen you show me a finished project yet you show me what there going to make and how there going to make it but never a finished product
facts
It’s like this channel is focused on construction or something….
Sure he does ? The channel is a mix of new projects, refurbishments of existing assets or histories of completed assets
Just in the last few uploaded videos “The Bridge that changed Europe” is about the tallest bridge in the world that was finished 20 years ago in central France
Love the Melbourne videos ❤
Unless you're a Melbourne tobacco shop, or a live in inner Melbourne with the out of control gang wars, with little or no policing. Oh and the banning of Australia day, and the socialist state government bankrupting the state and having the highest taxes. Yeah Melbourne is awesome. :D
That Labor government in Victoria has been phenomenal with their absolutely massive infrastructure projects.
Looking into the future for the next generation to benefit
Too bad the media won't cover any of the successful projects, but will quickly base Labor for anything they can possibly get away with.
China has lots of goodies to send us.
@@shiraz1736 Yep lots of stuff is made in China
I live in the inner west and this project, along with (1) the new tunnel, (2( the new laws around heavy transport vehicle curfews and (3) the improvements to the rail infrastructure for commuters in the form of the new digital metro on the Sunbury line and the regional rail works from a couple years ago are completely transforming the inner West for the better. Long overdue and a credit to the government.
Didn't know how flat the land is all around Melbourne. And no, that's not the only take away I got from this very good, informative video. 😆
Floodplain from the global flood 🌏 about 4500 years ago.
Melbourne is just a huge swamp. In geography and politics, both.
@@antontsau Oh my! Sounds like New Orleans, Louisiana. 😆
@@Sebastianmaz615 and many other towns all over the world - built as sea port on some river estuary in undeveloped area with some interesting resources, grew fast sitting on transit (prospectors, farmers, everybody else left poor, port city flourished)... finally nothing left only Big Swamp. Russian version is Spb, the same swamp just frozen.
@@Sebastianmaz615 Pls explain why that is funny?
Oh that's what I went past on the bus! I didn't even know the ports went that far in, plus, didn't know this was a project! How cool!
You should do a video on Perth's new port when it starts construction
i have gone past this hundreds of times and always wondered what was going on. thanks for the aussie content guys! 🎉
All this talk of rail, you should cover the inland rail build, and how it will connect even further north thru NSW up to Queensland..
Great vid guys! Love seeing home stuff on your channel! 👍🏼👍🏼
I will always give an upvote to B1M
Be fantastic to get rid of the 3-400m truck journey from Appleton dock rail siding to the port!!! And the people of Yarraville will love the cleaner air, long overdue. This is a good spend
Thanks for covering this topic. I don't see/hear any of the media talking about this topic here!
You should cover the ambitious inland rail project.
In Hamburg, we have the same problem of a harbour, the 3rd largest in Europe, being in the center of a large city. Here, however, it is already served by the 2nd largest rail yard in the world. Nice to see that other ports are following suit.
The amount of construction going on in that area was incredible. Not only was there the Port Rail Project but at the same time, Transurban were building the Westgate Tunnel project (ironically, about 50% of this tunnel is actually elevated road). You can see the bridges in the foreground at 10:28. This was almost like the other part of it. The WTP was designed to get trucks out of the Yarraville area by going underneath it and straight to the Westgate Freeway. It's due to open at the end of 2025.
What we need now to back it up is new rolling stock. If you think those engines look old it's because they are. In fact, they're probably older than you realise.
If they were smart they would build a new terminal at Point Wilson just near Avolon Domestic Airport. Build a train line from there and this will cater for both ship and air freight and the current terminal section and port can be developed that is right next to the city.
Dang they should’ve consulted you!
@fafmotorsport politicians ain't the smartest are they. Especially Labor.
@@Danger_Mouse_00 i think this is project was done by the port not the goverment
Port isn't going to just give up their location. Government may push them out though in the next 200 years. Then the land can all be redeveloped into high density urban.
"smart" and "Vic govt" are not compatible at all.
Thanks for the video. Coincidentally, I am in Melbourne as this is published while I live in London…
Melbourne rocks
Melbourne docks. ⛴️
@@newsgetsold Melbourne Socks 🧦
As a Melburnian that has a *slight* interest in trains, i have always noticed only 1 train per weekday (Pacific National 2MB4) is 1800m and it heads to Sydney. (I do belive that the crossing loops on the Western Standard Gauge line are only 1500m). I hope this leads to more and longer trains but i think some of the other places like the Sunshine Triangle and the curve near Albion station need upgrades as currently trains crawl through that. Anyways this is great. Good job!
Probably should have mentioned the two new intermodal rail terminals in the outer west and north of Melbourne.
Somerton Intermodal is private facility under construction now! The Gov's Truganina and Beverage precincts are in the planning stage. The Beveridge Terminal will be built first and then Truganina as capacity is needed, This all ties into the ARTC Inland Rail route Melbourne to Brisbane This coincided with the need for the Outer Suburban Ring /E6 to link the terminals by road with the possibility of rail inside the E6 corridor. All public listed planning if you google it !
I live about a kilometre away from here. There’s a great park and walking track running along the side of it that leads to a viewing platform where you can basically do the whole Otis Redding thing and waste some time lol.
The viewing platform has been designed to emit different tonal notes when it is windy. In the middle of winter when the wind is really blowing it howls like a thousand screaming banshees and on days like that I like to don my full length oilskins walk out there to the point with my Doberman and striking a dramatic pose stare broodingly at the ocean.
Mainly because I live in close proximity to a place where I can strike a dramatic pose and stare broodingly at ocean while accompanied by a chorus of a thousand screaming banshees lol.
Amazingly, especially in winter, hardly anyone goes there. Which makes me quite happy (while simultaneously undermining my brooding) in the middle of a city of 5.1 million people
At 1:21 the video shows the Queen Victoria Building, located on George Street in Sydney. And the banner hanging from the smart pole is promoting Sydney & a Sydney tram (different to Melbourne’s trams) is coming towards the camera.
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But that's being serviced by the Port of Melbourne. At that moment the voiceover says "and indeed this country".
Some of the scenes (mostly of container movement in port yards) had Chinese characters on the equipment/cranes, suggesting they were not in Australia…
Ai made 😂
@@bmunson4920 I wasn't paying that much attention to those scenes. So maybe they used video clips from copyright free sources. The wider scenes were of Melbourne though.
@@newsgetsold It is a minor thing, but Sydney is serviced by port Botany which is in Sydney which transports a similar amount of containers to port Melbourne.
It's great to see that more rail infrastructure is being put in in Melbourne but in reality I'm pretty sure that there is very little rail container transport in the state. Almost all of the container traffic goes onto a truck as there are very few freight lines leaving Melbourne.
Victorian governments from both sides seem to treat freight rail as an inconvenience. Most of the grain branchlines were maintained so poorly they were virtually unusable until recently, and they reneged on converting a bunch of it to standard gauge.
I have an unused grain freightline that I can see looking out my front window. When the Melbourne - Bendigo rail line was converted to a single continuous "high" speed track it meant the freight pretty much couldn't get used any longer except in the dead of night and most of the time that's just grain being shipped south. I expect to be dead and buried before there's a rail link to Tullamarine airport. It's long overdue but there's too much money in parking fees for it to go ahead without huge resistance. Passenger and rail freight to the airport is long overdue. Melbourne might be Australias biggest city but of the 3 biggest cities it's the only 1 with no rail connection to it's airport. Adelaide and Melbourne are the 2 lagging behind out of the mainland capitals.
@@Alan_Hans__ The rail connection to the airport is approved and in progress. Behind schedule, yes, but it's still happening. Expect it by early next decade.
I have experience with the performance of the local state MP from just the other side of the disused freight line near me. She couldn't do anything on time or on budget since the day she took office. As the minister in charge of the 2026 commonwealth games she has been highly responsible for big Victorian projects. That 1 didn't happen and cost Victorian taxpayers $380M in a settlement fee on top of the millions that had already been spent. As I said before I expect to be dead and buried before there is a Tullamarine rail link. I also expect to be dead and buried in 2-3 decades time.
Thanks!
I'm still not clear on how the containers go from the ship straight to the train. And then the train goes to the storage area and gets off loaded?
not directly, its almost not possible to load containers directly from incoming train to ships - they all go to/from different ships. But if rail siding is just 500m away from the berth, like in any good port, - everything loads and unloads to the same storage area. One local loader takes chest from train, second takes it from storage and moves to berth, no road truck required.
1:21 QVB in Sydney anyone🤔🤭, anyhoo...nice video B1M😊
Thought the Bentley systems part was oddly specific, but it made sense once you said they were the sponsor. Interesting video nevertheless!
AU needs bigger ports for the foreseeable future for all of their imports from abroad!
For all the imported migrants, yes. The existing population just aborts its babies. 👶 -> ☠️
Thank you for your video.
First of all - standard gauge rail network does not terminate in Adelaide and Sydney, it begins in Brisbane and ends in Perth. And Victorian broad gauge, in opposite, does not reach Sydney at all and Adelaide for 30 years, since the line was converted to standard gauge. So all this Victorian gauge mess means that local (Victorian) transportation is very limited and diminishing (Mildura line was recently standartised, for example) but interstate network has no sense to exclusively use Melbourne port, Sydney and Adelaide have the same access to it with better coverage of standard gauge around. NSW rail has, for example, rail loops for 1.5km trains, so 600-800m Melbourne port trains are not competitive.
Second - the port location. 150 years ago it was outskirts of the single big town, sea gate to goldfields, plenty of slums with abundant cheap manual labour workforce, exactly what required for manual-handling 19th century big port. Now it is the very middle of megapolis, constrained space, no transport corridors, contaminated soil, limited dock size, limited rail sidings length, layers of semiabandoned structures and systems underground... Sydney used to have similar facilities in the same centre - Darling Harbour, Rozelle, everything was kicked out from there to Botany bay, modern new-built container terminal with good truck access, mighty rail branch, plenty of space, easy ship access and so on. And old port lands in the city was redeveloped, creating world-class Darling Harbour precinct for tourists, entertainment and residence. London made the same with its dock - now its worldwide known Canary Wharft. Why Melbourne continues to develop this port in the middle of megapolis instead of Geelong or so? Ah, yes, thats Melbourne, question "why they do such a dumb thing" is not relevant, they always do it this way.
You just mad at Melbourne growing so fast bro!
Your framing neglects the historical place of Melbourne as the nation's mineral and industrial heartland - all to assert it is the problem?
The only problem in Melbourne is how to juggle the several hundred billion being invested in infrastructure to take the city to 8 million residents by 2040...
Don't fret for us - we'll be OK👌
@mahonjt Melbourne and minerals? Melbourne never mined anything, but robbed all miners and farmers. If someone had passion and skills he went to Bendigo and lost, if he could only serve beer and demand govt benefits - he settled in boundless Melbourne slums. Nowadays its even worse, the whole 5m town produces nothing at all, only govt bs destroying the whole state economy. Not only money wasting, but twice more destroy. Kommifornia-2.
Distribution is why, putting it all out at Geelong and then getting it to Dandenong is just asking for more bottlenecking than there already is. Build extra capacity at Avalon for sure to handle overflow but moving stuff further and further out of the city just creates a transport nightmare when everyone is tripping over everyone. Less trips = less traffic, both on road and rail. Having stuff closer to where it needs to be = less traffic in the first place
@@DounutCereal if the idea is to improve rail connection - it means these chests go not to Dandenong, but out of Melbourn area. And in this case Geelong/Avalon is much more convenient, with its standard gauge rail line going not thru the very city but via boundless plains.
The last time is was in Melbourne the Greens were protesting dredging the channel into the port. They needed to dredge the channel so larger ships could dock in the port.
They need to look relevant somehow!! 🤣
Would have been good to get the government approval to build the new rail container terminal in little river away from the city center but unfortunately that was unable to get EPA approval and the private investment from Pacific National is going to pursue other ventures.
if the OMR/E6 had rail up the middle as planned pacific national could avoid going through Werribee and the metro network and bypass on to the inland route
We love the work you do.
would be cool to see a video about the current and future expansions of the port of Rotterdam
Make a video about the Genoa port, in Italy: a lot of projects are going on there!!!
Yes! It would be good to see what’s happening in Genoa since the Morandi bridge collapse.
I'm sorry, did you say Melbourne doesn't have the facilities to host a major sporting competition?
It was a joke mate.
It's a joke because Melbourne is the sport city. The centre of football, cricket and motorsports.
They even hosted the Olympics in 1956 😂
Good video as always! You should check the works on the Edgar Cardoso Bridge, in Portugal.
i love these videos, they are so well thought through! I have one recommendation with the flashing slide transitions, they unfortunately may spark epileptic migraines for me and others who suffer from similar visual things. I'm generally okay with them, but other people might not be so lucky :((
Port Worker: We need to upgrade!
Australia: It's too expensive, time consuming, and confusing!
Port Worker: What about our imported beer? 2:08
Australia: What are we waiting for! This should have been built yesterday!
Fun to see Adam Savage producing this content
Thank you Philippines 🇵🇭
Love Australia content. 😍
Great video. Can you talk about the proposed expansion of the V A waterfront in Cape Town sometime please?
Good one.. 👍🏼
1:10 Melbourne Cricket Ground is worth a mention at 100,000 seats and I'm from Sydney! Then the video shows George St in Sydney..
In Perth, they upgraded on train line, which did not have much traffic compared to other large cities. Yet they still elevate the train line and made half dozen overpasses.
It just tells you how wealthy Australia is
I doubt any other country can compete with them interms of infrastructure spending per capita
It's borrowed money. Australia should be wealthy but for gross economic mismanagement by its governments.
Oh yes, in spendind and wasting money Australia is the first. Inland rail - 30B! Melbourne suburban loop - 150B! Silly Sunshine rail with capacity 20000 pax per day - 25 or even 30B! Snow river - 15B! Pumped storage in Qld - 15B! Martians will send us all these money, hurrray, full steam ahead!
And then everybody asks why everything is so expensive. Because we WASTED these money, not created value but destroy it.
@@antontsau under the labor government national debt is decreasing
@MaxSnowDude muahaha. Draw a horse!
30 Oct 2024 - State net debt is forecast to increase from 13% of GDP ($357.5 billion) in 2024‑25 to 14.8% of GDP ($471.9 billion) in 2027‑28
@@antontsau Can you draw a horse like this?
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Cool, randomly worked on this in the early phase
Australia doesn’t make much anymore…. Hence why we import so much into our country
I wonder how much gold they came across. Theres still gold to be found around Melbourne.
Be good to see how the new build actually worked
Do they operate stack trains? I only saw footage of single container cars.
Great video, what a project. Shipping ports are getting too small for the amount of goods shipped every day around the world.
When is the whole project completed?
Thank you for recognizing the supremacy of coffee and beer.
yeah but support local beers
8:23 that image/animation is giving me motion sickness lol; what is that editing choice hahaha >.>
Melbourne is Best.
Why do you use square meters when talking about a space which can be described in hectares....
I mean, I get that big numbers sound more impressive, but I think that 8.2 Hectares gives people a better idea of the size, and is a more useful measurement in general then 82 thousand square meters..
He should have used square millimeters tbh
Would a ship side train tracks allow direct unloading onto flat bed trains, with dock container trucks along side train, to allow offloading to either train or truck.
Better to just use the dockside cranes to unload and load the ships. Other smaller equipment can then be used to load trains and trucks. Ships don't like being in port longer than they need to. I don't know much about the port in Melbourne. In Sydney (Port Botany), they load the trains depending on destination. Many "trip trains" use dedicated freight lines to take containers to intermodals in the suburbs. Keeps a lot of trucks out of the local roads.
It would but it’d take too long; you’d have to keep moving the train up by however many cranes you have and that start/stop is inefficient. Time to unload and reload is everything for the shop owners.
1:20 that building is in Sydney.
You need a "connected data environment" every advertisement every day.
If your tink the port of Melbourne is bad then you haven't seen the old ports in LAGOS NIGERIA
Noooo. If that happens my cigarettes will get seized lol
8:28 this shakey map makes me nauseous haha
Very unusual for you or to give specifics instead of huge you normally say how many acres currently and planed expansion is, or number of containers handled in a year etc. Was there a lack of data on this project?
I’m simple. I see a B1M video and I click.
You need merch that just says THIS
the trucks can carry up to 4 20 ft long containers.
Fred .... you pronounce "beer" exactly as a Melbournian does! (Completely different to a Sydney-sider!)
Make a video on Kiruna-Narvik IronOre line
"We need to find other ways to get containers in and out of the ports."
High capacity potato cannons. And maybe nets at the receiving end.
(I'm joking, obviously. I hope it was obvious. If it wasn't obvious, I pray that things improve (and I hold no expectation of that).)
12 weeks to get the plans ready is INCREDIBLE. Here in Germany it's more like 12 months to 12 years for such a project. *sigh* 🙄
Importing beer is almost as wasteful as importing water. No country should import beverages. The most wasteful use of transport.
Lots of countries need to import water like Singapore
You want to tell people to stop drinking their Mexican and German beer?
Just because of you I will buy some foreign water today. Cause screw you.
I did *not* just hear you suggest limiting Australia's access to beer.
Curious why Sydney isn't a much bigger port. It has deeper water, and is closer to foreign markets.
Hastings would've made more sense long term.
It's over for Aussiecells
Way is the biggest freight port in Australia at the southern most tip of the mainland. Wouldn't Brisbane be a better location?
Well Melbourne is now Australia's largest city and projected to grow faster than Sydney. The rail linkages from Melbourne fan out to Adelaide and Sydney so has a catchment area that covers half of the population of Australia.
I'm so confused. Why don't they move it out the city centre like most cities?
Because it's already there. And it can be upgraded to make future growth for a fraction of the price and environmental impact?
@@mahonjt is it a fraction of the environmental impact if the activity done there is polluting? And it's right in the middle of the city
Half the trucks seem to be on Somerville Road 😢
I would like to know what is modern day tech in the construction industry.
Melbourne's infrastructure is woefully inadequate particularly rail the roads are choked with traffic for a small city and over dependent on car use. If you live in the western suburbs huge double semi trailers and semi-trailers are common on suburban and inner-city streets to the detriment of people's health and inefficiency to transport these containers. The lack of rail leading to DCs is a huge oversite as is the lack of rail public transport. The location of the port on the fringe of the CBD is insane.
It's odd to see a low-tech infrastructure on this great channel perhaps you could have contrasted Melbourne with a high-tech high performance port in China or Japan.
So, you want a construction channel to discuss how a city (the biggest on Australia) is smaller than the largest cities in th biggest nations on Earth - just to shit post the smaller one?
When you compare Melbourne to Tokyo, consider than Tokyo has roughly 8x the population.
Half the docks the author said were built in the 1800s were built in the 1960s.
Why wouldn't they build this up against where the ships dock so they can transfer directly from ship to train?
Why have we been do moronic in moving bulk freight.., going with road instead of the obvious rail…
Melbourne has the best construction builders in the world.
All this energy spent trying to make a port that the interviewee concedes is in completely the wrong location and nobody else on earth still does container freight like this.
Instead of being privatised the Port should have been sold and redevloped as high density housing. Having a massive industrial site right next to your CBD is completely bonkers.
Redevelop Bay west AND Hastings, and devolve the Port of Melbourne.