This season from Allen is lightyears beyond any season I’ve ever seen from a QB. This week they could be the first team to ever score 30+ in 9 straight games. He’s doing it with a bunch of unheralded names. If you went to the most prolific offenses in NFL History you would find the best WR, TE, and RB to ever play. You’ll see 1st Ballot HoF talent like Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Marshall Faulk, Gronk, Tyreek Hill/Travis Kelce. A couple weeks ago I saw a chart of the teams by WR Separation. The Bills were dead last. The Ravens were first. Allen is succeeding with a higher degree of difficulty than any other QB in football. Allen is winning with his head, his arm and his legs. He’s seeing the field in a way no QB ever has before.
I was at that game. Josh Allen outplayed Mahomes. He was the best player on the field by far. One thing I have not heard talked about concerning that game is that Sam Martin could barely walk. He could not punt. Patrick Mahomes got excellent field position 3 times when the Bills had to punt.
Mahomes had more yards, yards per attempt, yards per completions, TD’s and a better passer rating. Oh, and he won. But yeah, Allen was the best player 😂😂😂
@@ShantananoWrong. Lamar Trash Jackson is gonna do what he always does. Choke even though he's clearly surrounded with more talent than any other QB in the league. He has literal all pros at every position around him, and he's still trash.
Here's the thing as Bills fan, josh is definitely playing better than mahomes right now, but to say he's better than mahomes is too premature, because mahomes has been best QB for last 5 or so seasons and has validated it by winning SBS
@@QYgod I disagree with that point I think he hasn't been the clear-cut best quarterback in the league for the past five seasons. I think he's played in the best team, and had the best outcomes, but I think there's a case for Lamar. I think there's a case for borrow, and definitely a case for Josh
I don’t think either of them outplayed each other in the play offs last year they both were below their individual standards. But you can make the argument for mini quarterbacks being better than Patrick Mahomes if they were in a different situation, you can make that argument for Lamar, Josh Allen and Joe Burrow but you could also make that argument for Brady with Roger’s and Manning. There are many factors that go into being considered the best. There are many talked players who go to bad situations and fail. You need to be in a great situation for your talent to be fully realized
I am a Chiefs fan. And if you have actually watched Allen and Mahomes over the past 4 years, Josh Allen is clearly more talented and a much better QB. Its not even worth arguing. Again, I am a Chiefs fan and I can honestly say that I would rather have Josh Allen.
I agree actually that Josh Allen is a better qb than Patrick mahomes. But there were countless times I could’ve said Peyton and Aaron were better qbs talent wise than Tom. But sometimes accolades and championships have to matter
Nick Wright just condradict himself cuz Rodgers wastly outplayed Brady in that NFC champ game Brady was having a meltdown with 3 second half INTs Bucks capitalized on GB mistskes in that game
What a sulking child Nick W. is -- he's going to demand that his hero Mahomes win the MVP every season he plays, but even the great Tom Brady won no more than three MVPs over his decade of excellence. If voters can't acknowledge the remarkable play of Josh Allen this season, the work he's put in since being drafted years ago by a really bad Bills team, then they must have a foolish bias against the guy.
Can Josh get ONE superbowl before we start this convo let alone GET to one lol lets chill out. Josh has been balling but calling him the best QB is crazy... recency bias with josh. Josh deserves the MVP hes earned it.
I find it very funny that we’re having a conversation about who the best QB is when Josh has a chance to win MVP but no one even brought this up last year when Lamar won it. Ppl are trying there hardest to put Josh ahead of Mahomes and I truly don’t understand why
It’s about the rings! Mahomes -3, Allen - 0. Allen is great, but he can’t get past Mahomes and the Chiefs in the playoffs and until he can do that he is second best. Whose hand do you want the ball in with the game on the line, hands down it has to be Mahomes. It doesn’t matter the defense, he finds a way to get it done.
I can guarantee you that Ryans is not saying that about Mahomes because of his ankle. There is no way he’s saying “hey guys mahomes isn’t going to do what he normally does” No chance!!!
Ok it's not comparable 😂 why you still trying to push this josh Allen narrative 😂 like you can't say josh Allen is better BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ANDY REID
@tjamez9910 so josh Allen being bigger and stronger makes him better 🤣🤣 LIKE DO YOU JOSH ALLEN FANBOYS HERE YOURSELVES 🤣 you saying goat mahomes being on a better team doesn't make him better 🤣 BUT SAYING JOSH ALLEN IS FASTER AND STRONGER IS WHY HE'S BETTER 🤣 bro it's statements like that why josh Allen was voted most overrated
Ok went to check to not have a bias opinion… PATRICK HAVE OUTPLAYED JOSH ALLEN IN EVERY PLAYOFFS GAME!! Does that mean Josh played bad? NO!!! Pat just played that much better.. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE
Josh didn’t get outplayed in all of them games. The 2nd playoff matchup, Mahomes stats was only better because he was the only Qb to get a chance in the OT. Josh did have more td passes than him anyway in that game.
@ yk you literally just typed “Mahomes stats was only better” meaning mahomes stats were better IDC abt no OT.. so many excuses for a guy who have ZERO hardware && again I never said Josh played bad & if he’s so good like yall make him out to be how about WINNING the game so you don’t need a OT
@@finessekiddavis344 yea stats was better or a little higher however you wanna spin it. If Josh plays OT his stats would’ve been better or just as good so 🤷🏿♂️
@ why are we even debating a 2x MVP winner 3xChamp off a B2B to _______ ? Yall want to make so many hypotheticals, but what if I start doing the same hypotheticals for Patrick Mahomes so he can have more Super Bowls STTOOOOPPP IT!!
I listened to this podcast and they asked “if Allen went to KC and Mahomes went to the Bills we would be talking about these two guys much differently than we been over the past few years” Soo soo true Had to edit this because people thought I was saying this, yet I agree. Hahaha
@ meaning that with Allen’s talent and the coaching staff around him in KC his personal statistics and wins and possible super bowls, the conversation about Allen having to get over the “hump” wouldn’t be had. Meaning that coaching and player personnel around these insanely talented players matters soo much and as fans and the media do not talk about enough
@@travisosheabro if goat mahomes was on the bills HE WOULD HAVE 5 SUPERBOWLS 😂 josh Allen can't even win a MVP or make a Superbowl 😂 JOSH ALLEN WILL NEVER BE BETTER THAN GOAT MAHOMES
@@travisosheaIt does matter you’re 100% right about that here’s the flip side to it though the same debate that people are having about Allen and Mahomes is the same debate people had Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and the since of that if Peyton Manning had Belichick he would have more Superbowls I know Peyton Manning gets killed for his playoff resume which is fair I saw Peyton Manning go take good Coaches who are know so great to Superbowls
Look. This is real simple. When Josh Allen has his great weapons taken away, he's still great and turns new guys into great weapons. When Mahomes gets his weapons taken away, he's OK, and the new guys look mediocre. Literally the only argument for Mahomes being better is previous head to head matchups in the playoffs. The argument is a total logical fallacy. It's literally the same reasoning that Stock broker commercials have the disclaimer "Past performance does not guarantee future results." Right now, it's pretty clear that Allen is head and shoulders better.
“When Mahomes gets his weapons taken away, he’s ok and the new guys look mediocre” 😂😂😂 do you watch football? 2 years ago the Chiefs traded away the best WR in football. They brought in JuJu, who had been run out of the league. That season Mahomes set the league record for yards, won the MVP and the Super Bowl. Last year, the Chiefs had the consensus worst weapons in the league, relying on a rookie to be they’re number 1. By the end of the year Rashee Rice was a clear number 1 and, oh yeah, they won the Super Bowl. This year, he lost WR 1, 2, 4, 6, RB 1, 2, TE 3, the worst OT’s in football and was on his 3rd kicker. They’re 13-1. Just stop dude. Hate on Mahomes all you want, but actually watch the games before you act like it’s fact.
@seanbrennan2467 I do watch and Mahomes has not looked great this year or last year. Sorry. It's just facts. Last year AND this year the Chiefs are winning off defense alone. In fact this year it's defense and fluke game losing plays from their competition that is getting it done. Mahomes is not elevating anyone at all. Christ, you guys had 6 turnovers last week and made the game interesting because your offense is totally anemic. There were no Mahomes "clutch" plays, only Winston clutch INTs. Your line is bad, and Mahomes is just not able to escape pressure very easily anymore and as a result is now hurt. He's looking more and more like Aaron Rogers everyday.
@@seanbrennan2467last season mahomes defense gave up 7, 22, 24 and 10 points in the playoffs. That’s 15 a game given up during the playoffs. If Allen’s defense does that he would easily win. He was carried to a Super Bowl. Played poorly in both the championship game and the super bowl bowl. Tough game vs the dolphins as well. Defense played outstanding.
@@tdtommy196Bro I’m sorry to say but that’s ridiculous. Mahomes’ o-line this year is far worse than last years. Last year, the Chiefs had the highest drop rate in the NFL, and this year their o-line is bad with a revolving door at left tackle. Keeping it real, I think Allen IS a slightly greater talent than Mahomes, but to act like Mahomes has fallen off a cliff in terms of ability is crazy. He is the most clutch player in the NFL when it matters and that’s a fact, he’s proven it over and over again. Allen is awesome and like I said, is physically more talented than Mahomes, but come on, to say Mahomes is starting to look like Rodgers is insane
Let me help you out, bro. I'll explain it somewhat. Once you get to the level of a Mahomes where you're competing for GOAT status, you don't get the same passes as everyone else. Every single thing gets more nitpicked and nickel & dimed for you than everyone else. No one puts Allen in the greatness category of Mahomes or Brady, therefore, he'll get far more grace and "excuses". They put him in that category talent wise, but that's different. That's part of it. Is it fair ? Not necessarily & I get your frustration. You want Mahomes to get more passes than someone like Allen because of his greatness, but that's not how it always works. Sometimes, your greatness works against you in the sense that you'll get criticized more because of the expectations. Again, not totally fair, but it's reality
Jct explained it perfectly. Mahomes and Brady are extra scrutinized and get held to a different standard when you’re being considered GOAT status. It’s like asking why is the process so much more in depth to become an FBI agent than work at Walmart.
@@jctslice See I agree with everything you just said. Josh Allen has been a better QB THIS YEAR. I guess i am just stuck on the hill of If Earth was on the line and we had to pick one QB, I'd still go Pat.
Mahomes has outplayed Josh once and that was their first ever postseason meeting. Never happened again, Allen has been the better QB last 2 meetings, failed by his D and and his Kicker in consecutive meetings
This argument is going to go on for the next 3 years! Only time will win this argument! In my opinion, Josh is the better Quarterback, Mahomes is more decorated due to being on the better team.
@@SabresGuy87 More talented but NOT better. Mahomes has 3 SB rings and multiple MVPs. Allen has ZERO rings and ZERO MVPs and hasn't even been to a Super Bowl. There's no comparison. Mahomes is better for sure. Plus - QBs don't "outplay" QBs.since they're playing against DIFFERENT defenses.
Lmao There’s Never Been A Time In The History Of Any Sport Where A 2x MVP That Was Fresh Off Of B2B Championships Had To “Prove” That He Was Better Than A Guy That Had Zero Career Accomplishments… That’s An Oxymoron In Itself
Sure. If it's 2050 and you are looking back at the last 50 years there is no question the guy with 2 rings and 2 MVPs is better than the guy with no hardware. No question. If you want to know who is better in 2024, what happened in 2019-2023 DOES NOT MATTER. Right now, for your next game, Allen or Jackson or Burrow are all better than Mahomes
That was literally Tom Brady's career in a nutshell, especially at that same time you speak of. Up until 2007, the consensus was that Peyton Manning was better than Brady & that includes 2005, the year in which Brady was going for a 3peat
@jctslice my only issue with that statement is pat has mvps, stats, chips, and making plays we've never seen before. While tom at that time only had chips. Outside of running ability, josh hasn't done anything throwing wise that pat can't do
Josh didn't get the ball in OT in the 13-second game but Nick wants to be like "Mahomes had better stats." Mahomes had 69 (nice) yards and a TD in OT so no, he didn't have better stats when you take into account that Josh didn't get the ball.
@Zxvix who is "y'all?" I've always been a Mahomes guy and I've said he outplayed Brady in that game even without an OT drive but we gotta be fair here. Nick's entire argument for that game was more yards and equal TDs yet after regulation, Josh had more of both, and he was also more efficient.
Allan in KC from day 1 would have been capable of doing what Mahomes did. Based on Allens Body type and Talent he potentially surpasses what Mahomes accomplished. You see what Reid did with Favre, McNabb, Vick, Smith, and Mahomes
Bro stop embarrassing yourself 😂 josh Allen can't even make a Superbowl with the bills 😂 plus Andy Reid never won a Superbowl until goat mahomes 😂 YOU PUT GOAT IN ON THAT BILLS TEAM, THEY'LL HAVE 5 SUPERBOWLS ALREADY 😂 josh Allen can't even win a MVP, what makes you think if he was on the chiefs HE CAN DO WHAT GOAT MAHOMES HAS DONE
@HockeyDudeJames2 before goat mahomes got with Andy Reid HE NEVER WON A SUPERBOWL 😂 bro that's not enough 🤣 JOSH ALLEN HAS TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING 😂 HE CAN'T BE BETTER THAN A QUARTERBACK WHO'S ABOUT TO 3 PEAT
The funny thing is; Mahomes didn't outplay Allen in 13 seconds either. HE outgained Allen because of the OT (69 yards and a TD). You said in it in another video but on top of the drops by the Bills WR Allen was going against the #1 Defense and Mahomes got to throw to wide open players because the Bills were starting LBs who were on their couch the week before (AJ Klein). Allen had 258 yards with 3 TDs and Mahomes had 234 yards and 2 TDs. The Bills entire goal was to keep the ball away from Mahomes because of their defense with long drives
It's mainly that football fans are irrational. Same as with the lamar josh allen mvp conversation right now. They legit say lamar deserves it cause his stats are better when he won it last year in the exact opposite situation. Lamar has more stats because he needs 4 quarters to win. Josh hasnt played in the 4th quarter in 6 games, including the blowout in Baltimore.
You just said Josh Allen is better than Mahomes because "he can do more". Because "he is faster, bigger, stronger". By thay logic, Cam Newton would be better than Tom Brady. First argument of yours, destroyed. You also said "if you ask all of these players who they'd rather play with" that they would say Josh Allen. The players literally voted him the most overrated player last year. By the way, a great receiver wanted out from him. Another argument of yours, destroyed. In the end, the traits that really matter for a QB are their leadership, decision making, accuracy, clutch factor, then their physcical tools. Call leadership a push if you want, though I think Mahomes is a better leader (learned from Alex Smith and Andy Reid). Mahomes has certainly been a better decision maker through out both of their careers. See Exhibit A. Josh Allen had a defense that ranked 1st in yards allowed and 1st in points allowed at one point and still managed to turn the ball over 20 plus times. No need for that. Other than this year, Mahomes has been a more accurate passer than Josh as well. I understand why, as Josh has a stronger arm than Mahomes and it had been difficult to put touch on the throws. Mahomes has those same difficulties. But look at down the field passing when receivers had separation stats from pff and you will know why I say Mahomes has been more accurate. Lastly, nobody more clutch than Mahomes. We know that. Josh Allen hasn't even been in the biggest spots to show otherwise. Physical tools? Sure, Josh has that. Just like Cam Newton has them over Tom Brady. Let's talk not talk about accomplishments by the way, because then this conversation isn't worth it.
You're confusing better with greater. Better is talent. Greater is accolades. Also, Cam Newton isn't the right comparable. He didn't have the consistency to be mentioned in the light of other great players. The better comparison is Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers year in and year out was freakish and elite just like Brady. Cam wasn't. Also, it really depends on who you're asking in terms of who you want to play with. Not every player prefers the same player or same type of player. If you prefer a more mobile type QB with a stronger arm, you take Allen. If you prefer someone who's moreso a pocket QB who still has both traits that Allen does, you go Pat. That poll doesn't really mean much because only 100 people voted on it and only 11 people voted Allen. 11/100 is only 11% of players. That's not proving anything. It's proof if more than 50% said that because THAT is what a consensus basically means relatively speaking Mahomes and Brady are the embodiment of greatness. That's what you're talking about in terms of clutchness, leadership, accomplishments, etc. That's what makes you great. What makes you the best really comes down to how talented you are and how much of an impact your talent has. That's where guys like Rodgers and Allen come up, not Cam. If Cam had better longevity, then he could be used as a comparable, but he didn't have enough longevity. He also wasn't as accurate as a Josh, Rodgers, etc. He had a rocket arm, but inaccurate
@ Talent is not only physical and Better is not talent any ways. Like, at all lol. Just because you can throw harder, run faster and are bigger doesn't mean you are better. The QB position is the most cerebral position in football. Hence, why QBs such as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana are among the best players of all time even though they aren't half the athletes others are. They can read defenses and determine whether it's even the right moment to try to throw the ball. They take what the defense gives them, get rid of the ball quickly, are deadly accurate, protect their receivers, take sacks when they need to take them, hand the ball off even if it is not the playcall because they know if they try to throw it is trouble. Additionally, Cam Newton is the right comp. Julian said Allen is better because "he can do more" because he "is faster, stronger" etc... By the way, Cam Newton never had the roster or support Josh Allen has had and was an MVP and took his team to the super bowl. He was also beast since freaking highschool. Injuries killed his career.
Nick completely right this time tho Josh himself know he not better than Patrick it’s only legit only 1 qb that has an argument but nobody want to say it
You're delusional. Considering the two other guys you don't want to say have a ring last year if they play in Baltimore. They had one of the greatest defenses of all time.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 that’s not how this works you acting like Josh never had a top 5 offense and defense in the same year and had more chances to win a Super Bowl because of injuries to Lamar and Joe “outplayed” Mahomes just to lose the big one and hasn’t won anything since. At the end of the day none of them got a ring and they all had great chances so it goes down to regular season success for them and they don’t compare to Lamar.
Nick is saying that because of what Mahomes has done, the regular season should be such a swaying factor in whether he should be considered the best or not, I agree personally but I understand not everyone does. I’m also not really a fan of the whole “switch so and so” argument as a main one, it’s more an interesting sidenote. But using a hypothetical as a point to assert a QB over another is shaky to me.
Your best take - Josh Allen (and possibly several other guys) are better QB's than Mahomes, but Mahomes is on a better team with a better coaching unit. Your worst take - consistent discrediting of Baker Mayfield, who is now a top 7 guy without a doubt, arguably top 5.
154 yards. 1 TD. 1 INT. 67.3 rating. 55% completion. Can we please hold him SOMEWHAT accountable to this performance? Or will it be the coach, or the defense, or the kicker, etc. this time.
Did you even watch the game? The int was a punt essentially and there was literally no one open for him to throw to throughout the game. And when he did make big time throws his receivers literally dropped the ball. Like Shakir having the ball go through both his hands. He also hurt his throwing hand. Just stop.
Show me the video where I say Allen is 100% perfect? Show me the video where I say I expect Mahomes to throw for 70% 350 yards, and a 120 rating every single game? You realize he’s had plenty of bad games and I have ZERO stand alone videos about it? You realize I don’t have a single stand alone video talking him being bad? Do you realize I posted MULTIPLE videos over the last couple of days defending Mahomes?
Football is a team sport. Last years the chiefs defende was elite. The bills defense had 3rd string linebackers. Josh had a B+ game vs a elite defense while Patrick mahomes had a A- game vs a mediocre defense. Josh isnt playing patrick. Hes playing vs the defense.
If you're talking about the playoff game last season than to say that Alan out played Mahomes you'd be basing it on what you've seen this season. Mahomes had 30 more yards in 20 less pass attempts. Josh did run more and better but if you're basing being a better quarterback on those statistics then you're talking about two different styles of quarterback and therefore really can't compare them. And for those of you that say if Josh had hit the receiver with less than 2 minutes left in the end zone the bills would have won or if the kicker had made the field goal there's a good chance they could have one then let me tell you that if Hardeman doesn't fumble at the goal line the Chiefs win that game by double digits. The better quarterback isn't the one that necessarily puts up the biggest numbers it's about who steps up in the most needed spots and there is no debate on which quarterback does that the best right now.
3:22 Josh outplayed him last year, no? Also :13 game Josh couldn’t have played better. Both games D and coaching let Josh down… so that means Mahomes is better or has a more complete team?
On what fucking planet did Josh ever outplay him in the playoffs? Kelce fumbled at the goal line and the Chiefs still won. Chiefs should have won by 2 scores
Only bringing this up because Nick brought up Patrck previously killing the Bills #1 ranked defense... The Bills D was decimated by injuries for the 2024 Divisional Round. Lietrally called up AJ Klein off his couch to start. Allen was going up against the Chris Jones, McDuffie, Sneed and co...
We all have to remember, Josh Allen has gotten better and better every year! Where as Mahomes seemingly is getting worse and worse every year. Or at best , staying the same. So yes, when Josh was early in his career, Mahomes was a lot better. But because Josh has now become better, he will be the one who starts winning more and more, while the Chiefs will flatline
Staying the same doesn’t mean what you think I does. His first season as a starter he put up 50 td and 5000 yards. So staying the same is understandable when he had a top 5 qb regular season ever in his first season.
I'm sorry but as long as 15 keeps winning super bowls they keep having this debate😢. Which I think is crazy I like Josh Allen but he's not better then Mahomes if we actually think Patrick Mahomes needs to prove anything then we're truly insane. We're talking about this Man 3 peeing in the NFL!
No Mahomes can’t do anything in just 1 single game to show he’s the best. To show that he’s got to flip that switch again in the playoffs and win some games with his arm instead of his defense and lucky bounces
If Josh played for Kansas City chiefs and Mahomes played for Buffalo bills who would have the rings?? Josh carried the bills on his back can Mahomes do that with the bills?? I don’t think so Josh can do what he does on any team if you ask me . J/S
No one is better than Allen. Period! Once he wins the superbowl this year, he might go on to win two more after that. Time will show how Allen has done more with less and is more talented than Mahomes could ever be.
See, I'm not sure about that. I'm as high on Allen as most, but I can't guarantee anything. I think he'll win at least 1-2 as well, but I won't guarantee it. Too hard to say
@@ChiefKT98 because nothing is guaranteed in the NFL or life for that matter. I can say that Allen will win 1-2+ rings, but can I guarantee that ? No, not at all. Anything can happen. Yeah, I want it to happen & think it will, but THINK is the key word. I don't know
The MVP is for this 2024 season, and Mahomes stats are those of any average QB -- and no, he doesn't get credit for opponents fumbling snaps or missing field goals to win games vs. the Chiefs, he doesn't play defense or block kicks. You'd never know from the comments that Allen and the Bills beat Mahomes and the Chiefs just a month ago.
13:07 I defended mahomes because you guys were exageratting but nah mahomes aint the goat yet he needs to put in more work and needs atleast 4-5 superbowls and more career milestones. 5 year peak wont make you the goat you need atleast some longevity. even jordan played 10 peak seasons
lamar is on pace to having a top 5 season of all time if he dont screw up the next 3 games which is possible. I looked up the stats yesterday. Right now we can argue allen and lamar on the same level if lamar keeps this up having a top 5qb season all time and yall call allen the best qb in the league then its just bias. right now the race is 50-50 if it was fair like in other sports
Nick the Slick will introduce whatever stats, comparisons, history, etc. to “prove” his pre-conceived points. The “V” in MVP has to do with the VALUE of a player. Value transcends mere stats. It should reflect the stats but along with other factors such as the quality of the team, the type of offense/defense, head coach, personal attributes, etc. Again, value transcends stats.
Nick even admit Mahomes not having the best year but he’s still on top of the mountain? Mahomes didn’t outplay Allen, the rest of the KC roster outplayed the rest of the Bills roster. Ps. I love when Nick is comparing any players he cherry picks certain stats and will avoid bringing up the rest of the stats. He purposely leaves out Allen’s rushing stats to make it seem like Mahomes had more yards and more TDs. Listening to him is pointless it’s always filled with so much bias and none of these dude fact check him on the nonsense
Mahomes had more yards because he had more possessions because of overtime, and last year, he didn't outplay at all... Nick knows this because he's good at what he does, but he's just wants to have a solid argument for Mahomes..
No saying josh Allen would've won with the chiefs is what you people say to make a argument for josh Allen 😂😂 bro it's about time y'all stop making excuses for josh Allen 😂 HE WOULD NEVER BE BETTER THAN GOAT MAHOMES
The only one to outplay Mahomes in the playoffs is The GOAT. Allen has kept up but the better team won.A take that The Raiders would be a dynasty with Mahomes is senial lol. Man I get crushed for saying Burrow or Allen would have won a sb in Baltimore last year. A year the Ravens defense took home the tripple crown and allowed 16 PPG. Only 17 in the AFFC. Every other time that has happened the Team went on to win a chip. Raiders lol wow😅
Dude horrible argument……Patrick is miles better than Josh. I would rather have Mahomes as my quarterback 100% than Josh Allen. The point is to win the Super Bowl. Josh has 0 and Mahomes has 3 🤦♀️ not even an argument.
Isnt it funny how the person with the designated so called counter narrative of nick right is always so meek and allows nick to just lie and change the facts of what really happened. I like greg, and hes the only guy on this show that ive seen actually say josh allen is better, but then he allows nick to just make stuff up and lhe just sits their and pulls a brou and doesnt push back. That why this show is like a mahomes cult show. Jennings went a little to far with his allen support last week, but i think he got thr memo, which is to let nick lie and control the natrative that allen cant possibly be better. Never thought cult like propaganda would make it into a sports show 😂
I’m sorry but there is no way I’m saying a qb is better than someone in the goat discussion 😂idk how good of a season someone is having we seen this story before. Mahomes literally has 3 rings let’s pause on saying someone is better than him until we see another top qb win it all not just get pass the chiefs bc they have finished the race 3 times now. You can’t just claim best qb with no hardware that sounds crazy to me.
Julian is saying just because greg said josh Allen is better then its facts😂 WELL NEWSFLASH JULIAN TOM BRADY, SHANNON, BILL, ALL SAID GOAT MAHOMES IS THE BEST 😂 I RATHER LISTEN TO THEM
Will Josh Allen and the bills ever beat Patrick mahomes in the CHEIFS when it matters It’s literally how sports goes your not allowed to be better than the guy especially if you lose when it matters
Your not close to the mark. Mahomes would have won a superbiwl with anyone bro. Look at how many games this man has won off pure determination. We cant have real conversations because people cant accept greatness
@JWLSports your just mad cause your boy will never win a superbowl as long as Mahomes is in the playoffs. Mahomes makes all the plays when it matters even with a horrible left and right tackle we are 14 and 1. I already know what you are going to say but the defense because you don't actually watch the chiefs. Mahomes makes the plays that win 95 percent of the games. Josh Allen can't win big games.
We could debate if mahomes peaked two years ago and is now washed but he still makes great plays at times and his oline is bad without weapons. so if the chiefs get better weapons next year and mahomes still is not great then we can say he is officially washed but not sure yet
I think youre being a revisionist now, for the past 3-4 years the bills have been the superbowl favorites because it was consensus that they had a better roster than the chiefs. At this point im considering myself a josh hater because its like yall have forgotten the types of plays mahomes can do at his best. People like rex ryan are comparing literally josh's best year vs mahomes' worst year
This is not true. Bills entire defense was hurt in the playoffs. Can’t have a better team if they are all hurt. The only reason they were favored was because they were at home and Josh Allen is so good
@stephensehrbrock5613 im not just talking about last season bro, there is also 2 years ago, when they got blown out by the Bengals, and the 2 years prior to that also.
Do you know who else is bigger faster and stronger than mahomes Anthony Richardson are u gonna say he’s better than mahomes, no right because that would be absurd because your combine isn’t what decides the better player
Is Nick in all the other Chiefs fans were being honest it would have known that Alan has been better than Mahomes the last 2 years matter of fact if it wasn't for the injuries that Buffalo suffered last season they beat the Chiefs. tyler Bass, missing that field goal was it on Josh Allen. and had he i think Buffalo would've won that game
@jakieresykes3644 my point was going to go on hypotheticals rather you showcase that Josh wasn't the reason why the Bills lost last year. Nick saying Patrick's has out played him is Ludacris. I think regular season in Playoffs we can agree Allen has played better than Mahomes recently
It's too late. The season has already been played out too much already & we've already seen these 2 play so many games this season. Josh Allen is going to have the better season. However, what Greg Jennings was trying to say and what I & everyone agree with is that Mahomes has the highest level of greatness. That is true & what Nick Wright is saying about Rodgers and Brady is something he did actually say. I know this because you did a video on that where he was saying that Rodgers was better than Brady while sitting across from Cris Carter. Nick Wright is revising history No QB alone is winning with the Raiders. Swap out Andy Reid for Antonio Pierce. Swap out Kelce for a rookie TE. Swap out the KC defense for a not amazing defense in LVR. Swap out Spags too for who ? How exactly would Pat Mahomes win a SB with that ? Especially with how he's playing now, how is he winning there when he's struggling WITH Reid, Kelce, defense, Spags ? That makes no sense
I’m just happy Greg stood firm. Saying even if Mahomes wins a Super Bowl it won’t change. Because as a player he obviously knows it wasn’t Aaron’s Super Bowl. It was the packers Super Bowl.
@@JWLSports Nick Wright has to stop the lies lmao he has said Rodgers is better than Brady. That's one. Two, he doesn't really uphold head to head logic. He doesn't. He'll argue for Mahomes over Brady at times, despite head to head saying the opposite. Same with Pat and Joey B. Burrow has the better h2h record vs Pat. And lastly, we know that this man Wright blasts Purdy over and over like a damn diss track on repeat lmao & when you ask him if he's better than Dak, he has repeatedly said no. But yet, Purdy wipes the floor with Dak Prescott basically every time they face off. So using Nick's logic against him, one player outplays the other 3 times, wins all the time, and goes further in the playoffs, but yet, Dak Prescott is still better? Huh ? Please make that add up lol
Best argument is go back to the manning/ Brady/ Rodgers era. Brady won all the trophies but Rodgers and manning had all the stats. Everyone and there dog was all in on Brady being greater than manning and Rodgers because he won more. Nick is factually correct the stats favored mahomes every single time in the playoffs at worst they are pretty even but mahomes came out ahead and made the biggest plays when it matters most. The only stat that favored Allen in any of the games in the playoffs was rushing. Everything else favored mahomes. You don’t be better by winning just one stat category over someone else. Please tell me who is better Brady/manning/rodgers? All l hear is Brady is the goat. Mahomes is still the best until further notice plain and simple. He has the stats and he has all the accolades and trophies and Allen has none. Allen’s best finish to any season is tied with mahomes worse finish to any season in his entire starting career. Those are facts for your ass. You are blinded like most averages who jump on the Allen hype train every December. He gets hot every year at this time. There are far too many factors that favor mahomes. The amount of stats I can pull out and amount arguments I have that favor mahomes Is countless. The argument you have for Allen only is one stat. Allen is a better runner and yes that is accurate to a degree. Allen will have more rushing yards because in big spots he trusts his legs more than his arm. Mahomes however has some huge iconic situational runs to win titles but he just doesn’t run the same amount because he can rely on his arm when the pressure is at its peak.
I dont know and dont care who this guy is but looks like 1 a mafia lover and 2 another pat hater yo a lot of teams win by luck and yes pat is luckly and blessed to be in kc but you put pat in miami,baltimore,detroit,49ers,cincinati,jets,san diego,texans he will win a superbowl period name another QB that can do that NONE period fool
Is this the same guy that says he is a bills fan this year . Bias Nick keep your fandom to your fake self Josh is the better player better QB this season by light years .
these discussions are so pointless. from season to season, game to game, different players will play and therefore "be," better than others.. it's always going to change. I don't sit on the hill with people who think actual discussions and breakdowns of the game would result in lower viewership. These talking heads aren't even entertaining lol it's the same who's better than who conversation.
Mahomes set the bar so high for himself Josh best season isn’t even Mahomes top 2 seasons as a starter I understand you want Josh to eclipse him but I think Mahomes is worried about getting his 4th ring in 7 years 😂 but yes Josh Allen in 2024 is better then Mahomes. Both can be true
This season from Allen is lightyears beyond any season I’ve ever seen from a QB. This week they could be the first team to ever score 30+ in 9 straight games. He’s doing it with a bunch of unheralded names. If you went to the most prolific offenses in NFL History you would find the best WR, TE, and RB to ever play. You’ll see 1st Ballot HoF talent like Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Marshall Faulk, Gronk, Tyreek Hill/Travis Kelce.
A couple weeks ago I saw a chart of the teams by WR Separation. The Bills were dead last. The Ravens were first. Allen is succeeding with a higher degree of difficulty than any other QB in football.
Allen is winning with his head, his arm and his legs. He’s seeing the field in a way no QB ever has before.
Too long. Didn’t read.
I was at that game. Josh Allen outplayed Mahomes. He was the best player on the field by far. One thing I have not heard talked about concerning that game is that Sam Martin could barely walk. He could not punt. Patrick Mahomes got excellent field position 3 times when the Bills had to punt.
Mahomes had more yards, yards per attempt, yards per completions, TD’s and a better passer rating. Oh, and he won. But yeah, Allen was the best player 😂😂😂
@@seanbrennan2467the bills defense last year was down like 5 starters bro.
QBs don't "outplay" QBs. They face DIFFERENT defenses!
@@abc_12333 he put up better stats, and they won. Kinda the definition of out playing 😂😂😂
Josh Allen for MVP
It's about time 😂 still want be on goat mahomes level
Lamar gonna steal it Saturday and on Christmas Day.
@@ShantananoWrong. Lamar Trash Jackson is gonna do what he always does. Choke even though he's clearly surrounded with more talent than any other QB in the league. He has literal all pros at every position around him, and he's still trash.
@ like choked against The Bills?
@@TomBad-o6x what you basing that on
Here's the thing as Bills fan, josh is definitely playing better than mahomes right now, but to say he's better than mahomes is too premature, because mahomes has been best QB for last 5 or so seasons and has validated it by winning SBS
@@QYgod I disagree with that point I think he hasn't been the clear-cut best quarterback in the league for the past five seasons. I think he's played in the best team, and had the best outcomes, but I think there's a case for Lamar. I think there's a case for borrow, and definitely a case for Josh
@idiverse3457 he's the main reason why they're the best team, without him they're probably the Patriots
I don’t think either of them outplayed each other in the play offs last year they both were below their individual standards. But you can make the argument for mini quarterbacks being better than Patrick Mahomes if they were in a different situation, you can make that argument for Lamar, Josh Allen and Joe Burrow but you could also make that argument for Brady with Roger’s and Manning. There are many factors that go into being considered the best. There are many talked players who go to bad situations and fail. You need to be in a great situation for your talent to be fully realized
I’d give another one Marino and Montana
@@jakieresykes3644 Exactly!
I am a Chiefs fan. And if you have actually watched Allen and Mahomes over the past 4 years, Josh Allen is clearly more talented and a much better QB. Its not even worth arguing. Again, I am a Chiefs fan and I can honestly say that I would rather have Josh Allen.
Your not a Chiefs Fan
I agree. Most people I talk to do.
@@HockeyDudeJames2Chiefs Fans don’t
both great in their own way, they are meant to be on the teams that drafted them
I agree actually that Josh Allen is a better qb than Patrick mahomes. But there were countless times I could’ve said Peyton and Aaron were better qbs talent wise than Tom. But sometimes accolades and championships have to matter
Nick Wright just condradict himself cuz Rodgers wastly outplayed Brady in that NFC champ game
Brady was having a meltdown with 3 second half INTs
Bucks capitalized on GB mistskes in that game
Allen and Lamar are just in another category right now, but of course the playoffs can change the situation at least a little bit
Allen is the best playoff QB, Lamar chokes and Mahomes gets lucky
What a sulking child Nick W. is -- he's going to demand that his hero Mahomes win the MVP every season he plays, but even the great Tom Brady won no more than three MVPs over his decade of excellence. If voters can't acknowledge the remarkable play of Josh Allen this season, the work he's put in since being drafted years ago by a really bad Bills team, then they must have a foolish bias against the guy.
Nick Wright literally thinks Josh Allen is the MVP this year. You are arguing against a straw man.
I love watching this guy spaz out over mahomes
Can Josh get ONE superbowl before we start this convo let alone GET to one lol lets chill out. Josh has been balling but calling him the best QB is crazy... recency bias with josh. Josh deserves the MVP hes earned it.
I find it very funny that we’re having a conversation about who the best QB is when Josh has a chance to win MVP but no one even brought this up last year when Lamar won it. Ppl are trying there hardest to put Josh ahead of Mahomes and I truly don’t understand why
Because Lamar had a pretty crappy season last season
Wright including the extra yards and TD Mahomes got in the 13 second game overtime is nasty work.
He did that and he also didn’t include Josh’s rushing yards or TD in his analysis
It’s about the rings! Mahomes -3, Allen - 0. Allen is great, but he can’t get past Mahomes and the Chiefs in the playoffs and until he can do that he is second best. Whose hand do you want the ball in with the game on the line, hands down it has to be Mahomes. It doesn’t matter the defense, he finds a way to get it done.
I can guarantee you that Ryans is not saying that about Mahomes because of his ankle.
There is no way he’s saying “hey guys mahomes isn’t going to do what he normally does”
No chance!!!
Yup. 100%
Mahomes wrs had the most drops in the league last year
Finally some sense. He has Andy Reid and a better defense. It’s not comparable.
Ok it's not comparable 😂 why you still trying to push this josh Allen narrative 😂 like you can't say josh Allen is better BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ANDY REID
@ mahomes has a better team that’s why he’s had success. Doesn’t mean he’s better dummy
@tjamez9910 so josh Allen being bigger and stronger makes him better 🤣🤣 LIKE DO YOU JOSH ALLEN FANBOYS HERE YOURSELVES 🤣 you saying goat mahomes being on a better team doesn't make him better 🤣 BUT SAYING JOSH ALLEN IS FASTER AND STRONGER IS WHY HE'S BETTER 🤣 bro it's statements like that why josh Allen was voted most overrated
@TomBad-o6His stats prove it on a lesser team. Plus the eye test usually doesn't lie.
@ yeah and why he’s gonna be the mvp, he’s better all around. Typical Kermit fan boy
Ok went to check to not have a bias opinion… PATRICK HAVE OUTPLAYED JOSH ALLEN IN EVERY PLAYOFFS GAME!! Does that mean Josh played bad? NO!!! Pat just played that much better.. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE
Josh didn’t get outplayed in all of them games. The 2nd playoff matchup, Mahomes stats was only better because he was the only Qb to get a chance in the OT. Josh did have more td passes than him anyway in that game.
@ yk you literally just typed “Mahomes stats was only better” meaning mahomes stats were better IDC abt no OT.. so many excuses for a guy who have ZERO hardware && again I never said Josh played bad & if he’s so good like yall make him out to be how about WINNING the game so you don’t need a OT
@@finessekiddavis344 yea stats was better or a little higher however you wanna spin it. If Josh plays OT his stats would’ve been better or just as good so 🤷🏿♂️
@ why are we even debating a 2x MVP winner 3xChamp off a B2B to _______ ? Yall want to make so many hypotheticals, but what if I start doing the same hypotheticals for Patrick Mahomes so he can have more Super Bowls STTOOOOPPP IT!!
I listened to this podcast and they asked “if Allen went to KC and Mahomes went to the Bills we would be talking about these two guys much differently than we been over the past few years”
Soo soo true
Had to edit this because people thought I was saying this, yet I agree. Hahaha
How so?
@ meaning that with Allen’s talent and the coaching staff around him in KC his personal statistics and wins and possible super bowls, the conversation about Allen having to get over the “hump” wouldn’t be had.
Meaning that coaching and player personnel around these insanely talented players matters soo much and as fans and the media do not talk about enough
@@travisosheabro if goat mahomes was on the bills HE WOULD HAVE 5 SUPERBOWLS 😂 josh Allen can't even win a MVP or make a Superbowl 😂 JOSH ALLEN WILL NEVER BE BETTER THAN GOAT MAHOMES
@ hahahaha here we go. What a surprise. You are talking again only about one player hahaba keep playing Madden kid
@@travisosheaIt does matter you’re 100% right about that here’s the flip side to it though the same debate that people are having about Allen and Mahomes is the same debate people had Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and the since of that if Peyton Manning had Belichick he would have more Superbowls I know Peyton Manning gets killed for his playoff resume which is fair I saw Peyton Manning go take good Coaches who are know so great to Superbowls
Look. This is real simple. When Josh Allen has his great weapons taken away, he's still great and turns new guys into great weapons. When Mahomes gets his weapons taken away, he's OK, and the new guys look mediocre. Literally the only argument for Mahomes being better is previous head to head matchups in the playoffs. The argument is a total logical fallacy. It's literally the same reasoning that Stock broker commercials have the disclaimer "Past performance does not guarantee future results." Right now, it's pretty clear that Allen is head and shoulders better.
“When Mahomes gets his weapons taken away, he’s ok and the new guys look mediocre”
😂😂😂 do you watch football? 2 years ago the Chiefs traded away the best WR in football. They brought in JuJu, who had been run out of the league. That season Mahomes set the league record for yards, won the MVP and the Super Bowl.
Last year, the Chiefs had the consensus worst weapons in the league, relying on a rookie to be they’re number 1. By the end of the year Rashee Rice was a clear number 1 and, oh yeah, they won the Super Bowl.
This year, he lost WR 1, 2, 4, 6, RB 1, 2, TE 3, the worst OT’s in football and was on his 3rd kicker. They’re 13-1. Just stop dude. Hate on Mahomes all you want, but actually watch the games before you act like it’s fact.
@@seanbrennan2467some of us have the belief, that if you put Allen on the Chiefs the same sort of things would be happening.
@seanbrennan2467 I do watch and Mahomes has not looked great this year or last year. Sorry. It's just facts. Last year AND this year the Chiefs are winning off defense alone. In fact this year it's defense and fluke game losing plays from their competition that is getting it done. Mahomes is not elevating anyone at all. Christ, you guys had 6 turnovers last week and made the game interesting because your offense is totally anemic. There were no Mahomes "clutch" plays, only Winston clutch INTs. Your line is bad, and Mahomes is just not able to escape pressure very easily anymore and as a result is now hurt. He's looking more and more like Aaron Rogers everyday.
@@seanbrennan2467last season mahomes defense gave up 7, 22, 24 and 10 points in the playoffs. That’s 15 a game given up during the playoffs. If Allen’s defense does that he would easily win. He was carried to a Super Bowl. Played poorly in both the championship game and the super bowl bowl. Tough game vs the dolphins as well. Defense played outstanding.
@@tdtommy196Bro I’m sorry to say but that’s ridiculous. Mahomes’ o-line this year is far worse than last years. Last year, the Chiefs had the highest drop rate in the NFL, and this year their o-line is bad with a revolving door at left tackle. Keeping it real, I think Allen IS a slightly greater talent than Mahomes, but to act like Mahomes has fallen off a cliff in terms of ability is crazy. He is the most clutch player in the NFL when it matters and that’s a fact, he’s proven it over and over again. Allen is awesome and like I said, is physically more talented than Mahomes, but come on, to say Mahomes is starting to look like Rodgers is insane
I just do not understand why Josh gets a pass for EVERYTHING and Pat has to give up everything to Andy, Travis, etc...
Let me help you out, bro. I'll explain it somewhat. Once you get to the level of a Mahomes where you're competing for GOAT status, you don't get the same passes as everyone else. Every single thing gets more nitpicked and nickel & dimed for you than everyone else. No one puts Allen in the greatness category of Mahomes or Brady, therefore, he'll get far more grace and "excuses". They put him in that category talent wise, but that's different. That's part of it. Is it fair ? Not necessarily & I get your frustration. You want Mahomes to get more passes than someone like Allen because of his greatness, but that's not how it always works. Sometimes, your greatness works against you in the sense that you'll get criticized more because of the expectations. Again, not totally fair, but it's reality
Jct explained it perfectly. Mahomes and Brady are extra scrutinized and get held to a different standard when you’re being considered GOAT status. It’s like asking why is the process so much more in depth to become an FBI agent than work at Walmart.
And I argue also that the standard for Mahomes is more higher than the Standards were for Brady
@@jctslice See I agree with everything you just said.
Josh Allen has been a better QB THIS YEAR.
I guess i am just stuck on the hill of If Earth was on the line and we had to pick one QB, I'd still go Pat.
@@JWLSports I guess my brain goes to, 'If you think Josh is the best QB, you should hold him to the same level you do Pat."
Mahomes has outplayed Josh once and that was their first ever postseason meeting. Never happened again, Allen has been the better QB last 2 meetings, failed by his D and and his Kicker in consecutive meetings
16 passes behind the line of scrimmage last year in that game thats why he threw the ball more 😂
Dude you’re totally wrong. Josh threw something like 16 times BEHIND the line of scrimmage… yes Mahomes absolutely outplayed him
This argument is going to go on for the next 3 years! Only time will win this argument! In my opinion, Josh is the better Quarterback, Mahomes is more decorated due to being on the better team.
100% disagree. Unless you are ONLY talking about THIS YEAR.
@@abc_12333 Allen has outplayed Mahomes the last two meetings. That's 2 outta 3. Allen is a better and more talented QB than Mahomes
@@SabresGuy87 More talented but NOT better. Mahomes has 3 SB rings and multiple MVPs. Allen has ZERO rings and ZERO MVPs and hasn't even been to a Super Bowl. There's no comparison. Mahomes is better for sure. Plus - QBs don't "outplay" QBs.since they're playing against DIFFERENT defenses.
Lmao There’s Never Been A Time In The History Of Any Sport Where A 2x MVP That Was Fresh Off Of B2B Championships Had To “Prove” That He Was Better Than A Guy That Had Zero Career Accomplishments… That’s An Oxymoron In Itself
Sure. If it's 2050 and you are looking back at the last 50 years there is no question the guy with 2 rings and 2 MVPs is better than the guy with no hardware. No question.
If you want to know who is better in 2024, what happened in 2019-2023 DOES NOT MATTER. Right now, for your next game, Allen or Jackson or Burrow are all better than Mahomes
That was literally Tom Brady's career in a nutshell, especially at that same time you speak of. Up until 2007, the consensus was that Peyton Manning was better than Brady & that includes 2005, the year in which Brady was going for a 3peat
@@danz1182 he has 3 rings 😂😂😂
@jctslice my only issue with that statement is pat has mvps, stats, chips, and making plays we've never seen before. While tom at that time only had chips. Outside of running ability, josh hasn't done anything throwing wise that pat can't do
Josh didn't get the ball in OT in the 13-second game but Nick wants to be like "Mahomes had better stats." Mahomes had 69 (nice) yards and a TD in OT so no, he didn't have better stats when you take into account that Josh didn't get the ball.
@Zxvix who is "y'all?" I've always been a Mahomes guy and I've said he outplayed Brady in that game even without an OT drive but we gotta be fair here. Nick's entire argument for that game was more yards and equal TDs yet after regulation, Josh had more of both, and he was also more efficient.
@@drexeldragon1723 is OT part of the game?
Allan in KC from day 1 would have been capable of doing what Mahomes did.
Based on Allens Body type and Talent he potentially surpasses what Mahomes accomplished.
You see what Reid did with Favre, McNabb, Vick, Smith, and Mahomes
Bro stop embarrassing yourself 😂 josh Allen can't even make a Superbowl with the bills 😂 plus Andy Reid never won a Superbowl until goat mahomes 😂 YOU PUT GOAT IN ON THAT BILLS TEAM, THEY'LL HAVE 5 SUPERBOWLS ALREADY 😂 josh Allen can't even win a MVP, what makes you think if he was on the chiefs HE CAN DO WHAT GOAT MAHOMES HAS DONE
@@TomBad-o6xHe won the division multiple times with Alex Smith before Mahomes got there though.
Before Allen went to Buffalo. They hadn't won a playoff game in 17 years.
@HockeyDudeJames2 before goat mahomes got with Andy Reid HE NEVER WON A SUPERBOWL 😂 bro that's not enough 🤣 JOSH ALLEN HAS TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING 😂 HE CAN'T BE BETTER THAN A QUARTERBACK WHO'S ABOUT TO 3 PEAT
Wrong Andy won a chip in 1996@@TomBad-o6x
The funny thing is; Mahomes didn't outplay Allen in 13 seconds either. HE outgained Allen because of the OT (69 yards and a TD). You said in it in another video but on top of the drops by the Bills WR Allen was going against the #1 Defense and Mahomes got to throw to wide open players because the Bills were starting LBs who were on their couch the week before (AJ Klein). Allen had 258 yards with 3 TDs and Mahomes had 234 yards and 2 TDs. The Bills entire goal was to keep the ball away from Mahomes because of their defense with long drives
It's mainly that football fans are irrational. Same as with the lamar josh allen mvp conversation right now. They legit say lamar deserves it cause his stats are better when he won it last year in the exact opposite situation. Lamar has more stats because he needs 4 quarters to win. Josh hasnt played in the 4th quarter in 6 games, including the blowout in Baltimore.
You just said Josh Allen is better than Mahomes because "he can do more". Because "he is faster, bigger, stronger". By thay logic, Cam Newton would be better than Tom Brady. First argument of yours, destroyed. You also said "if you ask all of these players who they'd rather play with" that they would say Josh Allen. The players literally voted him the most overrated player last year. By the way, a great receiver wanted out from him. Another argument of yours, destroyed.
In the end, the traits that really matter for a QB are their leadership, decision making, accuracy, clutch factor, then their physcical tools. Call leadership a push if you want, though I think Mahomes is a better leader (learned from Alex Smith and Andy Reid). Mahomes has certainly been a better decision maker through out both of their careers. See Exhibit A. Josh Allen had a defense that ranked 1st in yards allowed and 1st in points allowed at one point and still managed to turn the ball over 20 plus times. No need for that. Other than this year, Mahomes has been a more accurate passer than Josh as well. I understand why, as Josh has a stronger arm than Mahomes and it had been difficult to put touch on the throws. Mahomes has those same difficulties. But look at down the field passing when receivers had separation stats from pff and you will know why I say Mahomes has been more accurate. Lastly, nobody more clutch than Mahomes. We know that. Josh Allen hasn't even been in the biggest spots to show otherwise. Physical tools? Sure, Josh has that. Just like Cam Newton has them over Tom Brady.
Let's talk not talk about accomplishments by the way, because then this conversation isn't worth it.
You're confusing better with greater. Better is talent. Greater is accolades. Also, Cam Newton isn't the right comparable. He didn't have the consistency to be mentioned in the light of other great players. The better comparison is Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers year in and year out was freakish and elite just like Brady. Cam wasn't.
Also, it really depends on who you're asking in terms of who you want to play with. Not every player prefers the same player or same type of player. If you prefer a more mobile type QB with a stronger arm, you take Allen. If you prefer someone who's moreso a pocket QB who still has both traits that Allen does, you go Pat. That poll doesn't really mean much because only 100 people voted on it and only 11 people voted Allen. 11/100 is only 11% of players. That's not proving anything. It's proof if more than 50% said that because THAT is what a consensus basically means relatively speaking
Mahomes and Brady are the embodiment of greatness. That's what you're talking about in terms of clutchness, leadership, accomplishments, etc. That's what makes you great. What makes you the best really comes down to how talented you are and how much of an impact your talent has. That's where guys like Rodgers and Allen come up, not Cam. If Cam had better longevity, then he could be used as a comparable, but he didn't have enough longevity. He also wasn't as accurate as a Josh, Rodgers, etc. He had a rocket arm, but inaccurate
@ Talent is not only physical and Better is not talent any ways. Like, at all lol. Just because you can throw harder, run faster and are bigger doesn't mean you are better. The QB position is the most cerebral position in football. Hence, why QBs such as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana are among the best players of all time even though they aren't half the athletes others are. They can read defenses and determine whether it's even the right moment to try to throw the ball. They take what the defense gives them, get rid of the ball quickly, are deadly accurate, protect their receivers, take sacks when they need to take them, hand the ball off even if it is not the playcall because they know if they try to throw it is trouble. Additionally, Cam Newton is the right comp. Julian said Allen is better because "he can do more" because he "is faster, stronger" etc...
By the way, Cam Newton never had the roster or support Josh Allen has had and was an MVP and took his team to the super bowl. He was also beast since freaking highschool. Injuries killed his career.
Yuuuup
They already did. Filed to change the Refs for the Saturday game. Wasssa matter?
If the question is about who had the best career so far then of course Mahomes is in a category by himself
Nick completely right this time tho Josh himself know he not better than Patrick it’s only legit only 1 qb that has an argument but nobody want to say it
Mahomes didnt win superbowls the refs and his team has
@@davwes8594well thank God for the refs because josh Allen is a loser 😂
You're delusional. Considering the two other guys you don't want to say have a ring last year if they play in Baltimore. They had one of the greatest defenses of all time.
@@HockeyDudeJames2 that’s not how this works you acting like Josh never had a top 5 offense and defense in the same year and had more chances to win a Super Bowl because of injuries to Lamar and Joe “outplayed” Mahomes just to lose the big one and hasn’t won anything since. At the end of the day none of them got a ring and they all had great chances so it goes down to regular season success for them and they don’t compare to Lamar.
Nick is saying that because of what Mahomes has done, the regular season should be such a swaying factor in whether he should be considered the best or not, I agree personally but I understand not everyone does. I’m also not really a fan of the whole “switch so and so” argument as a main one, it’s more an interesting sidenote. But using a hypothetical as a point to assert a QB over another is shaky to me.
Your best take - Josh Allen (and possibly several other guys) are better QB's than Mahomes, but Mahomes is on a better team with a better coaching unit.
Your worst take - consistent discrediting of Baker Mayfield, who is now a top 7 guy without a doubt, arguably top 5.
Mahomes fanboy N. Wright clearly feels threatened by other great QBs and will never give them due credit.
Flip the best take and worst take and you got it.
Did he just say the gap between 6 SBS to 1 , is closer than 3 to 0, Nick is bugging 😂
allen is better this year but mahomes is the better quarterback 100%
5:22 Patrick Mahomes outplayed josh that with LESS
TIME OF POSSESSION.
154 yards. 1 TD. 1 INT. 67.3 rating. 55% completion.
Can we please hold him SOMEWHAT accountable to this performance?
Or will it be the coach, or the defense, or the kicker, etc. this time.
Did you even watch the game? The int was a punt essentially and there was literally no one open for him to throw to throughout the game. And when he did make big time throws his receivers literally dropped the ball. Like Shakir having the ball go through both his hands. He also hurt his throwing hand. Just stop.
@ There it is. NEVER ON JOSH EVER!!!!!! NEVER HIS FAULT.
If this was Mahomes stat line, you’d lose your mind and make 7 videos about it.
If you keep misrepresenting me you’re going to see my interest in replying to you diminish. 🤷♂️
@ how bout 1%? Can we put 1%, just 1% of Josh’s stats and performance on Josh? Just 1%?
Show me the video where I say Allen is 100% perfect? Show me the video where I say I expect Mahomes to throw for 70% 350 yards, and a 120 rating every single game? You realize he’s had plenty of bad games and I have ZERO stand alone videos about it? You realize I don’t have a single stand alone video talking him being bad? Do you realize I posted MULTIPLE videos over the last couple of days defending Mahomes?
13:27 No you're insane to think that he can't win somewhere else,
I believe he would win 1 sb
within 20yrs with any team
Football is a team sport. Last years the chiefs defende was elite. The bills defense had 3rd string linebackers. Josh had a B+ game vs a elite defense while Patrick mahomes had a A- game vs a mediocre defense. Josh isnt playing patrick. Hes playing vs the defense.
If you're talking about the playoff game last season than to say that Alan out played Mahomes you'd be basing it on what you've seen this season.
Mahomes had 30 more yards in 20 less pass attempts. Josh did run more and better but if you're basing being a better quarterback on those statistics then you're talking about two different styles of quarterback and therefore really can't compare them.
And for those of you that say if Josh had hit the receiver with less than 2 minutes left in the end zone the bills would have won or if the kicker had made the field goal there's a good chance they could have one then let me tell you that if Hardeman doesn't fumble at the goal line the Chiefs win that game by double digits.
The better quarterback isn't the one that necessarily puts up the biggest numbers it's about who steps up in the most needed spots and there is no debate on which quarterback does that the best right now.
3:22 Josh outplayed him last year, no? Also :13 game Josh couldn’t have played better. Both games D and coaching let Josh down… so that means Mahomes is better or has a more complete team?
On what fucking planet did Josh ever outplay him in the playoffs? Kelce fumbled at the goal line and the Chiefs still won. Chiefs should have won by 2 scores
Only bringing this up because Nick brought up Patrck previously killing the Bills #1 ranked defense... The Bills D was decimated by injuries for the 2024 Divisional Round. Lietrally called up AJ Klein off his couch to start. Allen was going up against the Chris Jones, McDuffie, Sneed and co...
nvmd, you mentioned it 👍
Haha you know I won’t let that slide!
We all have to remember, Josh Allen has gotten better and better every year! Where as Mahomes seemingly is getting worse and worse every year. Or at best , staying the same. So yes, when Josh was early in his career, Mahomes was a lot better. But because Josh has now become better, he will be the one who starts winning more and more, while the Chiefs will flatline
Staying the same doesn’t mean what you think I does. His first season as a starter he put up 50 td and 5000 yards. So staying the same is understandable when he had a top 5 qb regular season ever in his first season.
I'm sorry but as long as 15 keeps winning super bowls they keep having this debate😢. Which I think is crazy I like Josh Allen but he's not better then Mahomes if we actually think Patrick Mahomes needs to prove anything then we're truly insane. We're talking about this Man 3 peeing in the NFL!
Brady has 7 also everyone used to say Rodgers was better until he didn’t get a vaccine
No Mahomes can’t do anything in just 1 single game to show he’s the best. To show that he’s got to flip that switch again in the playoffs and win some games with his arm instead of his defense and lucky bounces
7:45 we don't know, josh allen is yet to win anything
You crazy …..
lol
The raiders take is diffrent because the raiders would have changed their decision making if they had Mahomes and built around him
If Josh played for Kansas City chiefs and Mahomes played for Buffalo bills who would have the rings?? Josh carried the bills on his back can Mahomes do that with the bills?? I don’t think so Josh can do what he does on any team if you ask me . J/S
The conversation stopped when they said Allen is better than LJ…when they on the same field LJ shines. But this is a anyone other then LJ year
Did Lamar shine in 2020 and this year when his hall of fame running back had more yards than him. Keep being delusional though. 😅
No one is better than Allen. Period! Once he wins the superbowl this year, he might go on to win two more after that. Time will show how Allen has done more with less and is more talented than Mahomes could ever be.
And when he doesn’t then what
See, I'm not sure about that. I'm as high on Allen as most, but I can't guarantee anything. I think he'll win at least 1-2 as well, but I won't guarantee it. Too hard to say
@ why not he’s that guy
@@ChiefKT98 because nothing is guaranteed in the NFL or life for that matter. I can say that Allen will win 1-2+ rings, but can I guarantee that ? No, not at all. Anything can happen. Yeah, I want it to happen & think it will, but THINK is the key word. I don't know
@ scary ass
The MVP is for this 2024 season, and Mahomes stats are those of any average QB -- and no, he doesn't get credit for opponents fumbling snaps or missing field goals to win games vs. the Chiefs, he doesn't play defense or block kicks. You'd never know from the comments that Allen and the Bills beat Mahomes and the Chiefs just a month ago.
13:07 I defended mahomes because you guys were exageratting but nah mahomes aint the goat yet he needs to put in more work and needs atleast 4-5 superbowls and more career milestones. 5 year peak wont make you the goat you need atleast some longevity. even jordan played 10 peak seasons
Is Nick ever gonna come back from this delusional state he's been in for, oh I don't know, the last 10 years!!! He needs help, badly!!!
lamar is on pace to having a top 5 season of all time if he dont screw up the next 3 games which is possible. I looked up the stats yesterday. Right now we can argue allen and lamar on the same level if lamar keeps this up having a top 5qb season all time and yall call allen the best qb in the league then its just bias. right now the race is 50-50 if it was fair like in other sports
Nick the Slick will introduce whatever stats, comparisons, history, etc. to “prove” his pre-conceived points. The “V” in MVP has to do with the VALUE of a player. Value transcends mere stats. It should reflect the stats but along with other factors such as the quality of the team, the type of offense/defense, head coach, personal attributes, etc. Again, value transcends stats.
I agree with this. Josh has more VALUE to his team, than any other player does to their team. However I do not think that means they are the best.
Nick even admit Mahomes not having the best year but he’s still on top of the mountain?
Mahomes didn’t outplay Allen, the rest of the KC roster outplayed the rest of the Bills roster.
Ps. I love when Nick is comparing any players he cherry picks certain stats and will avoid bringing up the rest of the stats. He purposely leaves out Allen’s rushing stats to make it seem like Mahomes had more yards and more TDs.
Listening to him is pointless it’s always filled with so much bias and none of these dude fact check him on the nonsense
Mahomes is more Clutch than Allen Josh Allen is a more talented quarterback but I don’t think you can take Allen over Mahomes in a big game
5:53 bills won Time of possession
Josh needed more time
Oh boy the yearly ankle sprain is in . Refs will have to bail him out again
Mahomes had more yards because he had more possessions because of overtime, and last year, he didn't outplay at all... Nick knows this because he's good at what he does, but he's just wants to have a solid argument for Mahomes..
No saying josh Allen would've won with the chiefs is what you people say to make a argument for josh Allen 😂😂 bro it's about time y'all stop making excuses for josh Allen 😂 HE WOULD NEVER BE BETTER THAN GOAT MAHOMES
I guarantee u if it was the other way you would say Josh outplayed mahomes
@ChiefKT98 that's what I'm saying 😂 they always making excuses for josh Allen 😂 I see why he was voted most overrated
@ when they win it’s Josh but soon as they lose it’s other things 😂
@ChiefKT98 I don't understand that 😭 like If they believe josh Allen is the best quarterback 🤣 BLAMING OTHERS WHEN HE LOSE DOESN'T HELP HIM
He had to do more for his team because they had the ball more
I agree injured Mahomes is different
The only one to outplay Mahomes in the playoffs is The GOAT. Allen has kept up but the better team won.A take that The Raiders would be a dynasty with Mahomes is senial lol. Man I get crushed for saying Burrow or Allen would have won a sb in Baltimore last year. A year the Ravens defense took home the tripple crown and allowed 16 PPG. Only 17 in the AFFC. Every other time that has happened the Team went on to win a chip. Raiders lol wow😅
If Allen, Lamar, Burrow don’t win this year it’s no point to even argue Mahomes far ahead of everybody rn
@Bmore_ant well Burrow is out he's having his best year but he's out.
Dude horrible argument……Patrick is miles better than Josh. I would rather have Mahomes as my quarterback 100% than Josh Allen. The point is to win the Super Bowl. Josh has 0 and Mahomes has 3 🤦♀️ not even an argument.
What is that take, mahomes obviously outplayed Allen in the playoffs
Isnt it funny how the person with the designated so called counter narrative of nick right is always so meek and allows nick to just lie and change the facts of what really happened. I like greg, and hes the only guy on this show that ive seen actually say josh allen is better, but then he allows nick to just make stuff up and lhe just sits their and pulls a brou and doesnt push back. That why this show is like a mahomes cult show. Jennings went a little to far with his allen support last week, but i think he got thr memo, which is to let nick lie and control the natrative that allen cant possibly be better. Never thought cult like propaganda would make it into a sports show 😂
I’m sorry but there is no way I’m saying a qb is better than someone in the goat discussion 😂idk how good of a season someone is having we seen this story before. Mahomes literally has 3 rings let’s pause on saying someone is better than him until we see another top qb win it all not just get pass the chiefs bc they have finished the race 3 times now. You can’t just claim best qb with no hardware that sounds crazy to me.
The moment Ahomes gets knocked out of the playoffs Nick will crumble.
Julian is saying just because greg said josh Allen is better then its facts😂 WELL NEWSFLASH JULIAN TOM BRADY, SHANNON, BILL, ALL SAID GOAT MAHOMES IS THE BEST 😂 I RATHER LISTEN TO THEM
Nick is a biggest Mahomes stroker of all time lol
And this is why soo many fans just have zero clue what they are talking about “mahomes would have won super bowls with mahomes” hahahahahaha wow
Josh is generally better every time they play. Nick loooool
Did you see the 70 yard perfect pass dropped by Diggs Allen was way better plz
Will Josh Allen and the bills ever beat Patrick mahomes in the CHEIFS when it matters
It’s literally how sports goes your not allowed to be better than the guy especially if you lose when it matters
Nick was supporting josh allen all year until he bacame the mvp favorite. Lmfao
Hes acts like a groupie.
Your not close to the mark. Mahomes would have won a superbiwl with anyone bro. Look at how many games this man has won off pure determination. We cant have real conversations because people cant accept greatness
lol uh sure.
@JWLSports your just mad cause your boy will never win a superbowl as long as Mahomes is in the playoffs. Mahomes makes all the plays when it matters even with a horrible left and right tackle we are 14 and 1. I already know what you are going to say but the defense because you don't actually watch the chiefs. Mahomes makes the plays that win 95 percent of the games. Josh Allen can't win big games.
We could debate if mahomes peaked two years ago and is now washed but he still makes great plays at times and his oline is bad without weapons. so if the chiefs get better weapons next year and mahomes still is not great then we can say he is officially washed but not sure yet
Patrick mahomes would have won three super bowls with Oakland raiders LOL😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think youre being a revisionist now, for the past 3-4 years the bills have been the superbowl favorites because it was consensus that they had a better roster than the chiefs. At this point im considering myself a josh hater because its like yall have forgotten the types of plays mahomes can do at his best. People like rex ryan are comparing literally josh's best year vs mahomes' worst year
This is not true. Bills entire defense was hurt in the playoffs. Can’t have a better team if they are all hurt. The only reason they were favored was because they were at home and Josh Allen is so good
@stephensehrbrock5613 im not just talking about last season bro, there is also 2 years ago, when they got blown out by the Bengals, and the 2 years prior to that also.
Do you know who else is bigger faster and stronger than mahomes Anthony Richardson are u gonna say he’s better than mahomes, no right because that would be absurd because your combine isn’t what decides the better player
Is Nick in all the other Chiefs fans were being honest it would have known that Alan has been better than Mahomes the last 2 years matter of fact if it wasn't for the injuries that Buffalo suffered last season they beat the Chiefs. tyler Bass, missing that field goal was it on Josh Allen. and had he i think Buffalo would've won that game
If If was a fifth we would all be drunk
@jakieresykes3644 my point was going to go on hypotheticals rather you showcase that Josh wasn't the reason why the Bills lost last year. Nick saying Patrick's has out played him is Ludacris. I think regular season in Playoffs we can agree Allen has played better than Mahomes recently
Josh out played pat in the playoff 2 of the 3 times the defence let josh down and bass missed a kick diggs missed i wide open catch
11:41 yo hate is next level every single day here
Josh Allen is great but he is not Mahomes period. Talk about Josh when he has one ring then I’ll entertain the idea but won’t care just the same lol
You think Josh Allen needs to prove anything to couch-potato fans?
It's too late. The season has already been played out too much already & we've already seen these 2 play so many games this season. Josh Allen is going to have the better season. However, what Greg Jennings was trying to say and what I & everyone agree with is that Mahomes has the highest level of greatness. That is true & what Nick Wright is saying about Rodgers and Brady is something he did actually say. I know this because you did a video on that where he was saying that Rodgers was better than Brady while sitting across from Cris Carter. Nick Wright is revising history
No QB alone is winning with the Raiders. Swap out Andy Reid for Antonio Pierce. Swap out Kelce for a rookie TE. Swap out the KC defense for a not amazing defense in LVR. Swap out Spags too for who ? How exactly would Pat Mahomes win a SB with that ? Especially with how he's playing now, how is he winning there when he's struggling WITH Reid, Kelce, defense, Spags ? That makes no sense
I’m just happy Greg stood firm. Saying even if Mahomes wins a Super Bowl it won’t change. Because as a player he obviously knows it wasn’t Aaron’s Super Bowl. It was the packers Super Bowl.
@@JWLSports Nick Wright has to stop the lies lmao he has said Rodgers is better than Brady. That's one. Two, he doesn't really uphold head to head logic. He doesn't. He'll argue for Mahomes over Brady at times, despite head to head saying the opposite. Same with Pat and Joey B. Burrow has the better h2h record vs Pat. And lastly, we know that this man Wright blasts Purdy over and over like a damn diss track on repeat lmao & when you ask him if he's better than Dak, he has repeatedly said no. But yet, Purdy wipes the floor with Dak Prescott basically every time they face off. So using Nick's logic against him, one player outplays the other 3 times, wins all the time, and goes further in the playoffs, but yet, Dak Prescott is still better? Huh ? Please make that add up lol
Best argument is go back to the manning/ Brady/ Rodgers era. Brady won all the trophies but Rodgers and manning had all the stats. Everyone and there dog was all in on Brady being greater than manning and Rodgers because he won more.
Nick is factually correct the stats favored mahomes every single time in the playoffs at worst they are pretty even but mahomes came out ahead and made the biggest plays when it matters most. The only stat that favored Allen in any of the games in the playoffs was rushing. Everything else favored mahomes. You don’t be better by winning just one stat category over someone else.
Please tell me who is better Brady/manning/rodgers? All l hear is Brady is the goat.
Mahomes is still the best until further notice plain and simple. He has the stats and he has all the accolades and trophies and Allen has none. Allen’s best finish to any season is tied with mahomes worse finish to any season in his entire starting career. Those are facts for your ass.
You are blinded like most averages who jump on the Allen hype train every December. He gets hot every year at this time. There are far too many factors that favor mahomes. The amount of stats I can pull out and amount arguments I have that favor mahomes Is countless. The argument you have for Allen only is one stat. Allen is a better runner and yes that is accurate to a degree. Allen will have more rushing yards because in big spots he trusts his legs more than his arm. Mahomes however has some huge iconic situational runs to win titles but he just doesn’t run the same amount because he can rely on his arm when the pressure is at its peak.
I would just love to hear the rest of the video before you babble on
Ian gone lie ima hater i that dude Lmao
When the bills lose I can’t wait for these excuses to happen I can’t wait
Josh still lost! Mahomes is king
Lamar is the best QB in the league and has been for a long time
Lamar is a choker in big games
@ cap
@@Mindag13He Really is 2-4 in the playoffs
I dont know and dont care who this guy is but looks like 1 a mafia lover and 2 another pat hater yo a lot of teams win by luck and yes pat is luckly and blessed to be in kc but you put pat in miami,baltimore,detroit,49ers,cincinati,jets,san diego,texans he will win a superbowl period name another QB that can do that NONE period fool
Is this the same guy that says he is a bills fan this year . Bias Nick keep your fandom to your fake self Josh is the better player better QB this season by light years .
Josh is bigger ,stronger, faster
Patrick is smarter, clutch and more talented.
Patrick mahomes play style is being copied HS. QB and college
these discussions are so pointless. from season to season, game to game, different players will play and therefore "be," better than others.. it's always going to change. I don't sit on the hill with people who think actual discussions and breakdowns of the game would result in lower viewership. These talking heads aren't even entertaining lol it's the same who's better than who conversation.
Mahomes set the bar so high for himself Josh best season isn’t even Mahomes top 2 seasons as a starter I understand you want Josh to eclipse him but I think Mahomes is worried about getting his 4th ring in 7 years 😂 but yes Josh Allen in 2024 is better then Mahomes. Both can be true
Bills win Superbowl ...Josh Allen MVP...
New Orleans dome.....in February...
Trump da president... Mafia!!