Stephen A. IS READY TO CROWN Josh Allen as the NFL MVP?! 🏆 | First Take

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  • @brannongouldbg
    @brannongouldbg 13 годин тому +37

    Quarterbacks need a separate award. Not really fair to any other position

    • @Bruski76159
      @Bruski76159 13 годин тому +3

      Why? In the era of the NFL, QB is the most VALUABLE position, so they will win the most. The NFL has separate awards for the player that had the most outstanding season in terms of what their job is, its the OPOY and DPOY awards.

    • @yurrgee
      @yurrgee 13 годин тому +1

      @@Bruski76159It would essentially make no difference if they make it separate and name it the Most Valuable Qb award since that’s the only position that gets it every year.

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 13 годин тому +1

      @@Bruski76159 yeah but there should be a separate award for Non qbs

    • @TheMissiIe
      @TheMissiIe 13 годин тому +1

      You people do know that a QB award would literally replace the OPOY award? QBs only play offence

    • @Bruski76159
      @Bruski76159 12 годин тому

      ​@@yurrgee I guess i dont totally disagree, but i do have a question. Would you just rename the MVP to MVQB? Or would you retire the current trophy, and create 2 new ones, MVQB and MV-non-QB? (Obviously, feel free to come up with better names than I did, lol)
      I just think that the NFL will continue to evolve and have rule changes that might make other positions more valuable. I like keeping traditions and having the MVP stay constant throughout the years, but be won by different types of players over time, based on where the game is at, is something i dont want to mess with. In the past, RB was more valuable. Who knows what the NFL will look like in the future. Maybe it will be a defensive player, or (god forbid) even a special teams player.

  • @aidabsmith8457
    @aidabsmith8457 13 годин тому +19

    As a lamar fan, F that mvp give it to josh allen. When the playoffs come, it's up. We are going for a super bowl

    • @Bruski76159
      @Bruski76159 13 годин тому +5

      If i was a Ravens fan, I wouldnt want Lamar to win the MVP either. Imagine having more MVPs than playoff wins... Tough look

    • @Flipopotamus
      @Flipopotamus 13 годин тому

      Gotta win more than 1 playoff game in a postseason bud.

  • @tww15tube
    @tww15tube 13 годин тому +17

    Here's what you can't argue:
    Baltimore saw the need to add more players to get better in the off-season. Buffalo felt confident to let key positions go in the off-season because of the confidence in their QB. End of discussion!

    • @javinlawrence7326
      @javinlawrence7326 13 годин тому +17

      …there’s no way this is your deduction😭 Lamar has been performing for years with a mediocre supporting cast… Yall stay acting like Josh Allen has no help when he does😂

    • @AUSTYN_1
      @AUSTYN_1 13 годин тому +1

      @@javinlawrence7326 yeah Allen definitely has talent, but at the end of the day Josh Allen is the MVP. Not because of the argument Allen has no help though.

    • @Bruski76159
      @Bruski76159 13 годин тому

      ​@@javinlawrence7326why does lamar have his worst game of the year, in the playoffs every year (at least when he is healthy enough to play in the playoffs)

    • @javinlawrence7326
      @javinlawrence7326 13 годин тому +1

      @AUSTYN_1 Lamar has been playing amazing all season… yall really want Josh Allen to win it just because he has a better record?😂 The ravens have a harder schedule than the bills

    • @eshanshah2264
      @eshanshah2264 13 годин тому

      so what are you saying... that lamar should win?

  • @davidsalgado2970
    @davidsalgado2970 13 годин тому +5

    be real the mvp is a popularity contest

  • @AlucardMM
    @AlucardMM 13 годин тому +3

    Teams that Averaged 3 points/drive since 2000:
    2007 Patriots (Brady MVP, had Moss/Welker)
    2018 Chiefs (Mahomes MVP had Hill/Kelce)
    2020 Packers (Rodgers MVP Davante Adams)
    2024 Bills (Josh Allen &……?)
    It's a top-5 offense this century & Josh is MVP

    • @zombieturds
      @zombieturds 12 годин тому

      9 for 30

    • @ballinforlife9
      @ballinforlife9 12 годин тому

      The patriots one was a lot more impressive considering the league hadn’t implemented all these rules that prevent defenses from being able to do their job. Not surprised that all the others were in the past 6-7 years

  • @willgenre
    @willgenre 13 годин тому +27

    It's Lamar fatigue

    • @marquisebryant5474
      @marquisebryant5474 13 годин тому +1

      Unfortunately😢

    • @stevenmark4407
      @stevenmark4407 13 годин тому +5

      Nah Allen just better.

    • @josephcorbridge5421
      @josephcorbridge5421 13 годин тому +4

      Thats a lie. Allen has 37 tds to 7 turnovers, Lamar 37 and 8. Everyone says Lamar has the stats, but he simply has more yards. Allen has the superior record, has beaten KC and Detroit who are 0-2 against him and 25-1 against everyone else. Whereas Lamar is 0-2 against the Raiders are Browns who are 3-23 against everyone else. Allen has the better QBR, an inferior cast who has literally been in and out with injuries literally all year, where Lamar has the superior cast and who has been healthy all year. It is not Lamar fatigue, after being screwed by the league for years Allen has a right to enjoy an MVP in which HE took control. That is a dumba$$ narrative to say it is Lamar fatigue when Allen is taking it from everyone, and the data, eye test, historical records, signature plays in signature wins, etc all indicate that.

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 13 годин тому +1

      nah, Allen deserves it 100% by the same logic Lamar won last year. Cant really make a case for Lamar unless you move the goalposts, plus Allen leads in all meaning full stats and has had a harder schedule.

    • @Dimezprod
      @Dimezprod 12 годин тому

      @@josephcorbridge5421 Lamar has better completion percentage better pass rating. Allen has had multiple horrible performances and Lamar has had 0. Allen also got blownout by Baltimore.

  • @rikvanhorn9714
    @rikvanhorn9714 12 годин тому +2

    The problem with comparing stats is that the Bills have blown out so many teams that he's been sitting on the bench for a lot of fourth quarters. You can't match stats with someone who plays more minutes.

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 12 годин тому

      exactly, epa per play much more meaningfull, Allen dominant.

  • @sethschaefer2158
    @sethschaefer2158 13 годин тому +12

    40 touchdowns in 4 straight seasons about to make it 5

    • @Flipopotamus
      @Flipopotamus 13 годин тому +2

      Only player ever with 35+ in 5 consecutive seasons too.

    • @idk88876
      @idk88876 13 годин тому

      and how many are those are passing wise? Lamar would also have 40 touchdowns every season if he rushed a the goalline like Allen did lmao. At least Lamar will have a 40 td season passing wise.

    • @___m7425
      @___m7425 13 годин тому

      Yea you gotta be slow,allen has had multiple td runs of 20 plus yarrs so i dont know what your talking about,also how many seasons of 4k passing yarrs does lamar have?​@idk88876

    • @Flipopotamus
      @Flipopotamus 12 годин тому

      @idk88876 Sit down lol. Allen has more passing TDs this season with 3 games left than Lamar had all last season... and the 2022 season... and the 2021 season.
      Over here acting like Allen cant out-pass Lamar is wild lol. Lamar having his highest passing TD season ever is literally regular numbers for Allen lol.

    • @joshallengoated
      @joshallengoated 12 годин тому

      @@idk88876Lamar would lose his life if he tried to pound it on the goal line the way Allen does

  • @sakthithanigai5036
    @sakthithanigai5036 13 годин тому +5

    If y’all wanna argue Lamar is the MVP go for it, but don’t use the fact that his counting stats are better than Allen’s. Because the stats didn’t matter last year when Lamar didn’t have great stats.

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 13 годин тому

      yeah, plus losing teams throw the ball more, so having more passing yards is meaningless when it doens't translate to wins. Epa is much more illustrative.

    • @josephcorbridge5421
      @josephcorbridge5421 12 годин тому

      Lamar doesn't have better stats aside from yards. They both have 37 tds, Allen has 7 turnovers to Lamar's 8. Allen has the better QBR. I see this lie alot that Lamar has the stats, he doesn't.

  • @Flipopotamus
    @Flipopotamus 13 годин тому +1

    Lets not forget... the MVP is a popularity award, and Allen was voted "Most Overrated" to start the season... Dont be shocked if Allen doesnt get the MVP this year people, they enjoy finding reasons to put that dude down.

  • @CoachRJ334
    @CoachRJ334 13 годин тому +3

    Of course SAS is ready to crown him....But just make sure you don't pile up the excuses for him .... When he does win games 🎯

  • @willgenre
    @willgenre 13 годин тому +2

    SAS that means it's not a lock if still needs to play well the last three games 🤣

  • @sandeepgoud1311
    @sandeepgoud1311 12 годин тому +1

    Not many QBs would be 11-3 with a WR core of Hollins, Shakir, Coleman, and Amari hardly playing handful games.

  • @koalabearkhan145
    @koalabearkhan145 13 годин тому +1

    What do mvp voters tell us? Wins are a QB stat (they aren’t) Allen has a better record and approximately the same stats than Lamar. So it’s a forgone conclusion. Lamar/Ravens fans should know this by now (from his previous 2 mvp awards) so I get why you’re arguing for Lamar this year, but you can’t dismiss how mvp awards have been and always will be done

    • @borisvandruff7532
      @borisvandruff7532 12 годин тому

      Most of the Lamar guys said last season “It’s not about the stats” but then argue stats this year. So which is it!

  • @JRashaadIsrael
    @JRashaadIsrael 13 годин тому +8

    Should Saquon be MVP?? It just feels like a quarterback award every year.

    • @Bruski76159
      @Bruski76159 13 годин тому +1

      Its because of the V in MVP. Barkley is a prime canadiate for OPOY. But in this era of the NFL its just a fact that the QB position is the most valuable position.

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 13 годин тому

      They should have 2 mvps, one for Qbs and one for everyone else

    • @borisvandruff7532
      @borisvandruff7532 12 годин тому

      No. Eagles won an NFC Championship without him. Take Allen or Lamar off their teams and watch them be basement dwellers.
      Football needs a WAR equivalent.

  • @narcissistgamingsquad318
    @narcissistgamingsquad318 13 годин тому +2

    Saquon breaks record isn’t in conversation?

  • @KingLee444
    @KingLee444 13 годин тому

    We didn't struggle against ESPN MVP😂😂

  • @johnboy1760
    @johnboy1760 12 годин тому

    Has to be Allen.
    Last year Lamar rightfully won it, but did so with inferior numbers to Purdy, based on him carrying his team. For an MVP, his stats were pretty pedestrian.
    You can’t deny Purdy an MVP last season, then award Lamar the award for being in Purdy’s position the following season.
    This year, Allen is the one carrying his team, WHILE putting up exceptional numbers himself. He also has the better record.
    It would be ideologically inconsistent to award Lamar.
    Love Lamar and he’s been phenomenal this season, but Allen is neck and neck with him production wise, on a less stacked team and he has a better record.

  • @kfrashmon
    @kfrashmon 12 годин тому

    No question Josh. Josh had the better stats last year but Lamar won. Considering what the expectations were for this year, the team around him and all the historical records he broke so far in different games, Josh is the clear winner for this year.

  • @RobNCid09
    @RobNCid09 13 годин тому +2

    The NFL MVP is a QB Award Per the First Take quote of the century! Lamar is flirting with the “Best QB Rating Ever!” End of Discussion fellas!!!💯

    • @r.b0705
      @r.b0705 13 годин тому

      why dont you put money on lamar if its the "End of discussion" lmao

    • @jalvarez8204
      @jalvarez8204 13 годин тому +1

      I love it when people speak on the internet ND choke themselves out.Lamar is flirting with best QB rating ever but Josh is ahead by 5 points in that SAME race so yeah end of discussion for Allen according too your standards but I know moving the goalpost is coming as per usual.I'll Wait

    • @jalvarez8204
      @jalvarez8204 13 годин тому +1

      ​@@r.b0705He just argued for Allen inadvertently thinking he was arguing for Lamar..😂😂😂

    • @RobNCid09
      @RobNCid09 12 годин тому

      @@jalvarez8204 My apologies for the discrepancy, go check the stats again sir and you would see what argument I am making, Lamar has a “Passer Rating” of 120.7 which on a historic pace and Josh has a “103.5”

    • @RobNCid09
      @RobNCid09 12 годин тому

      @@jalvarez8204 Touché, but once you finish laughing why don’t you go and check the stats again sir. I can account for misspeaking like a Man, but can you? One is having a Historic statistical season and the other isn’t…It’s just as simple as that!

  • @dajuanriddick9688
    @dajuanriddick9688 13 годин тому +1

    Truth is ravens losses earlier in the season don’t matter if they win the division😂. Lamar can easily steal the reward. Also Josh just got to play Regular football. These next 3 weeks if he go out there trying to stat pad and Win mvp it can go wrong.

  • @adamzielinski2001
    @adamzielinski2001 13 годин тому +2

    Lamar should not be the MVP if he can’t play well against The Steelers defense. It’s possible Watt doesn’t play either. Jackson needs a 3-5 td performance before I get behind him as MVP. To me it’s Josh Allen so far…

    • @RobNCid09
      @RobNCid09 13 годин тому +1

      @@adamzielinski2001 even though I don’t favor your argument, this is the most legitimate and logical argument against Lamar deserving The MVP despite the statistics👌🏾

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 12 годин тому +1

      @@RobNCid09 "despite the statistics" what statistics? Bills have been leading games so Allen has less passing yards, but every meaningful metric Josh has the edge. QBR, EPA, same total Tds despite Josh having fewer drives, Bills have a tougher schedule and 2 wins against the best teams in each division.....

    • @Dimezprod
      @Dimezprod 12 годин тому +1

      Allen has had a 9-30 game

  • @tfcollect2690
    @tfcollect2690 13 годин тому +1

    Lamar got 5 tds. That was against the giants who trying to get the best spot they can in the 2025 draft. What im saying is......."SO WHAT!"

  • @idk88876
    @idk88876 12 годин тому

    Im convinced Dan is obssessed with Josh Allen because most of what he said about Lamar is wrong lmao.

  • @weStayModest
    @weStayModest 12 годин тому

    When Lamar had a bunch of rushing td’s “he can’t throw he’s a running back playing qb” throws the ball they glorify Josh Allen’s rushing tds. They also talk about the wins and losses but when we played the bills we dominated them???? Ok yall goofy af

  • @KogaNobuyoshi
    @KogaNobuyoshi 12 годин тому

    00:6:25 So Amari Cooper isn't a future HOF receiver? Grant it it came in later this season, but don't act like Allen is throwing to nobodies.

  • @oddball9743
    @oddball9743 12 годин тому

    Has to go to saquon for MVP. This is not a qb award just make your own qb award at this point

  • @blue_tiger4549
    @blue_tiger4549 13 годин тому +7

    I think Dan just doesn’t like Lamar lmao

  • @lboogie1831
    @lboogie1831 13 годин тому

    EPSN been pushing for JA to be the MVP for years, but he can can continue to get bounced in the playoffs and they glaze over that.

  • @slimmjonesjr3206
    @slimmjonesjr3206 13 годин тому

    Dan wants Allen to win an MVP so bad it's funny 😅😅😅

  • @tigerbiterhater
    @tigerbiterhater 13 годин тому

    SB26 gonna have something to say about that.

  • @t-willy7557
    @t-willy7557 13 годин тому

    The stats definitely should crown Lamar. Josh Allen has been playing better the last few weeks, including beating the undefeated kings of the league. Lamar has had a better year as a whole in my opinion.

  • @GodfreyTheCreator
    @GodfreyTheCreator 12 годин тому

    I dont mind Josh Allen winning, but something rubs me the wrong way about how the Bills stat padded for this to happen

    • @josephcorbridge5421
      @josephcorbridge5421 12 годин тому

      Stat padded, really? He has been pulled every 4th quarter where they can, meanwhile Lamar is slinging away against the freaking Giants.

  • @dds_que7472
    @dds_que7472 12 годин тому

    This debate is stupid but necessary. They need the MVP debate to be over now because they know the Bills only have 3 division games left and their division was trash. They know it won’t look good if Lamar performs well on Saturday then again on Christmas against 2 division leaders and they are still parroting the Josh Allen MVP narrative. Dan is an MVP voter and friend of Josh Allen and wants him to have the award. Still games left and Football to be played.

  • @Bama20512
    @Bama20512 13 годин тому

    If Burrow had 3 more wins he’d be the front runner for MVP. Also, the AFC better hope the Bengals don’t sneak into the playoffs because they can beat anybody

  • @est.inthe80s
    @est.inthe80s 12 годин тому

    I hate these arguments the Baltimore ravens lost one game because because a receiver couldn’t get his toe in bounds and two because the kicker missed multiple times in separate games plus they beat Buffalo convincingly the bills only beat two teams and one of those games was because they went against a bad defense

  • @travonrumph5350
    @travonrumph5350 13 годин тому

    Man Josh gotta finish these 3 game stretch strong if not Lamar could take it

  • @rockjm9876543210
    @rockjm9876543210 13 годин тому

    Josh Allen hands down.

  • @mmmcertified9877
    @mmmcertified9877 13 годин тому +3

    Allen has earned the MVP this season, we'll see if he can take the Bills to the SB though..

  • @oluwatobierimako9291
    @oluwatobierimako9291 13 годин тому

    What about Barkley? Is he not even in consideration at all?

  • @charleslewis4989
    @charleslewis4989 12 годин тому

    i said it before why is molly even in the room.

  • @philiptallini5232
    @philiptallini5232 12 годин тому

    Another year of football and another year of not having a definition of what the MVP is. Allen should win it though.

  • @zachfritz2635
    @zachfritz2635 13 годин тому

    Jared Goff for MVP

  • @Chiefs007
    @Chiefs007 13 годин тому +2

    Let’s be factual, Mahomes 2022 mvp the first season without Tyreek. He threw for 41 touchdowns. Broke the record for total yards in a season, won reg season mvp, Super Bowl mvp; and won the Super Bowl. His recievers were Kelce, Juju, Toney, & Sky Moore. They ranked 1st in yards and points. Also, with a league average defense with a bunch of rookies.

  • @massaBeard
    @massaBeard 13 годин тому

    Weird how none of the things he spoke as issues for Jackson actually had anything to do with Jackson. It was the defense and Tucker that fucked us!

    • @massaBeard
      @massaBeard 13 годин тому

      Also love how they dismiss josh allen playing 8 cupcake games a year in that trash division...homie is pretty buttcheeks overall against teams .500 or better.

  • @MikeJones281hou
    @MikeJones281hou 12 годин тому

    Even though he beat Detroit he still got out dueled by Goff.

  • @borisvandruff7532
    @borisvandruff7532 12 годин тому

    MVP stands for Most Valuable Player
    Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are the only two that surface here. Saquon is out because the Eagles went to a Super Bowl without him. Jared Goff is a maybe.
    Josh Allen lost his WR1 and WR2 in the offseason…and got better. He has put up several historic games this season. He’s your MVP. And he also doesn’t even care about the award.

  • @joemenrollins
    @joemenrollins 13 годин тому +1

    They made his point by saying it’s not over!
    Just play the season out!
    Lamar beats Steelers this weekend aww like a was hurt it dose t count!
    Allen beats pats and jets he is great this is a joke!

  • @rachelfisher9446
    @rachelfisher9446 13 годин тому

    Josh Allen MVP 🎉❤💙🙌🏆💐

  • @JonM47
    @JonM47 13 годин тому +11

    The black guys can’t believe Allen is going to win a mvp. Lamar lost to the browns and raiders I don’t want to hear any more. He’s not even winning his division.

    • @D_tailedGent
      @D_tailedGent 13 годин тому +1

      Allen is really great... But I mean Saquon is doing something that's never been done in idk what since Dickerson...
      Tom Brady Payton brees they did what Josh is doing numerous times

    • @D_tailedGent
      @D_tailedGent 13 годин тому

      Not mad if Allen gets it but I think saquon is doing something much tougher

    • @juicermcgooser3352
      @juicermcgooser3352 13 годин тому

      @@D_tailedGent adrian peterson had about 2k yards a few years back

    • @VonRipper
      @VonRipper 13 годин тому +3

      Lamar beat Allen (35-10) and outplayed him
      And Allen did have one of the worst throwing games ever this season (9-30) and lost
      Plus he’s 2-3 against playoff teams this year
      No one black cares if Allen wins
      You yt guys care if Lamar wins tho

    • @kevothegoat9891
      @kevothegoat9891 13 годин тому +3

      Bro we gonna ignore what happened when the bills played the ravens

  • @VIZIDIOUS
    @VIZIDIOUS 13 годин тому

    I think this award shouldn’t only go to QB’S however I will say though we all had doubt this season about Allen and a lot of us said he wouldn’t have a great Season and not win his division but he proved us all wrong. Now I do get that Miami suffered from injuries so yea that might play a part. But Allen for sure wouldn’t get my vote

  • @dawnmclees
    @dawnmclees 13 годин тому

    Don’t forget Josh had the better stats last year yet Lamar won it.

  • @carlosmiranda6933
    @carlosmiranda6933 12 годин тому

    Lamar is equivalent to James harden during his Houston rocket years, mvp caliber player that when the playoffs came around he dissapeared

  • @chrisbarrera3460
    @chrisbarrera3460 13 годин тому

    Bro said pts/drive 😑
    Who leads in pts/min? 🤡

  • @juicermcgooser3352
    @juicermcgooser3352 13 годин тому

    Lamar shouldnt even be on the list lol (this is not racism)

  • @queboogaveli
    @queboogaveli 13 годин тому

    McCourty basically saying the schedule is the reason why Josh cant win MVP. That mean there isnt anything he can do cause the Ravens play better teams

    • @Flipopotamus
      @Flipopotamus 13 годин тому

      Dude is a dummy... Bills beat the undefeated Chiefs and then beat the (at the time) best team in the entire league. Also have yet to play half their divisional matchups against the crappy Pats/Jets, so idk why the dude is acting like the Allen's stats are inflated because of crappy teams at this point.
      Dude is just mad because he got dunked on by Allen before he retired lol.

    • @queboogaveli
      @queboogaveli 12 годин тому

      @ he cant bring up 5 TDs vs the giants as a plus but not care about what josh does vs the pats and jets

  • @ianreed9571
    @ianreed9571 13 годин тому +5

    Lamar shouldn't even be considered an MVP candidate after losing twice to last place teams this year. Just sayin.

    • @dajuanriddick9688
      @dajuanriddick9688 13 годин тому +3

      Lost to the raiders Week 2 and the browns are division rivals 😂

    • @javinlawrence7326
      @javinlawrence7326 13 годин тому

      y’all just be saying anything

    • @VonRipper
      @VonRipper 13 годин тому +1

      So should Allen then
      Because Lamar crush him this season

    • @AuthenticGook
      @AuthenticGook 13 годин тому

      Bro it was week 2 how was they last place ? Lmao but this same team beat Josh Allen bad so what's that about literally 3 losses came from missed kicks

    • @VonRipper
      @VonRipper 13 годин тому

      So should Allen then
      Because Lamar crush him this season

  • @josephswearington7556
    @josephswearington7556 12 годин тому

    Stop the run and make the bills a passing team and you will see what type of qb Josh Allen is.

  • @jrkc9218
    @jrkc9218 12 годин тому

    New segment. A pointless award.

  • @iKrawwd
    @iKrawwd 13 годин тому

    I don't get how you clowns call Allen the MVP when Lamar is either equal or tops him in every category in stats. Lets also not forget he outdueled Allen in their matchup earlier this season.

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 13 годин тому

      because thats just not true. Look up the stats. Allen has a better QBR, same amount of Tds with fewer plays (advantage Allen), More Wins, Better EPA, Better PAA, harder schedule. Lamar has more passing yards because he is trailing in games, there is no logical argument for Lamar MVP this year. He's a great player and future HOFer, but Allen is clearly MVP

  • @JackGeezy
    @JackGeezy 13 годин тому

    We get all that you're wrong, heres why...

  • @GildedWarrior331
    @GildedWarrior331 13 годин тому

    Smh lamar has a few games to give is signature performances and lamar is 108 yrss from breaking vicks record .this award is week to week

  • @madchit76
    @madchit76 12 годин тому

    Barkley is the mvp

  • @SpefyTv
    @SpefyTv 13 годин тому

    Being mvp when sumbody has way more tds & less int & way more rushing yards is Diabolical

    • @sakthithanigai5036
      @sakthithanigai5036 13 годин тому +1

      Exactly so it was diabolical to give Lamar the MVP last year

    • @jalvarez8204
      @jalvarez8204 13 годин тому +1

      Allen has almost triple the rushing TDs ND a better QB rating ND Rushing is supposed too be Lamar's Dominant field so how he only has 4 ND Allen 11?And I can't use the RB excuse bcs Mccourty was throwing James Cook 100 yards game around.Do y'all listen too yourselves before u start writing? Doesn't look like it

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 12 годин тому

      Same total tds, but Bills are leading games and Josh is sitting 4rth qs.... Josh wins by every meaningfull metric it's not close. Plus the Ravens have easier schedule and 2 more losses!

    • @SpefyTv
      @SpefyTv 12 годин тому

      @ Lamar has more total TD fool lol so what’s your point ? & Lamar is 2nd in QBR & first in passing rating lol so now what’s your point ?

    • @SpefyTv
      @SpefyTv 12 годин тому

      @ I don’t think he should have won last year , but this year it’s no contest. He won last year because he’s doing what Josh Allen is doing now as far as winning with less , expect Lamar only had 2 Ls

  • @tigerhoods7927
    @tigerhoods7927 13 годин тому

    Lls SAS never wanted to crown Lamar Jackson mvp when he won his

  • @tigerhoods7927
    @tigerhoods7927 13 годин тому

    Dan wishes he was half the quarterback that Lamar was

    • @Bruski76159
      @Bruski76159 13 годин тому +1

      Most QBs also wish they were. But that doesnt mean Dan isnt correct.

  • @Benji-302
    @Benji-302 13 годин тому

    Barkley is mvp

  • @XeoMacNasty
    @XeoMacNasty 13 годин тому

    Saquon Barkley

  • @datboinate0192
    @datboinate0192 12 годин тому

    Lamar Jackson MVP
    Hands down

  • @mitchell774
    @mitchell774 13 годин тому

    Joe Burrow is playing grrat
    But hes 6-8

  • @yahcrack
    @yahcrack 12 годин тому

    Dan O love him some white QB’s

  • @StepBlvck
    @StepBlvck 12 годин тому

    Every. Single. Day. This show works harder and harder to hate on Lamar Jackson 😂😂😂 we have never seen a player more disrespected!!!

  • @AUSTYN_1
    @AUSTYN_1 13 годин тому +5

    Josh Allen is the MVP end of discussion.

  • @TheTony024
    @TheTony024 13 годин тому

    I dont care if Lamar wins the MVP or not. Baltimore and its fans have sights set on something bigger and MVP just doesn’t move the needle anymore.
    Let Josh win one for once and maybe those knuckleheads in Buffalo will chill with the hatred and jealousy

    • @matthewwilliams4168
      @matthewwilliams4168 13 годин тому

      Ravens will be disappointed again

    • @TheTony024
      @TheTony024 12 годин тому

      @ it’s all to play for, they play for a reason.

  • @The-Real-One-
    @The-Real-One- 13 годин тому

    Anytime stephan A crown someone they crash in 2 weeks

  • @willgenre
    @willgenre 13 годин тому +2

    Dan's argument is an admission that Lamar is better than Allen if Lamar's only narrative is the playoffs mind you MVP is a seasonal award

  • @princenas1412
    @princenas1412 13 годин тому

    LJ🎱

  • @jeffhallii7907
    @jeffhallii7907 13 годин тому

    Joe burrow

  • @lakobeball2881
    @lakobeball2881 12 годин тому

    Orlovsky.. your argument about Josh not throwing to any elite quarterbacks isn’t as strong as you think as a case for MVP, Lamar has had mid tier receivers too! Both are ballin this season tho, just not a strong point!

  • @youngOmackin
    @youngOmackin 13 годин тому +7

    Lamar lowest rating in a win is 114. Anything under they lose. Josh had a win with 0 TDs and 2 INT. Lamar is MVP

    • @sakthithanigai5036
      @sakthithanigai5036 13 годин тому +1

      Stats didn’t matter last year, so they shouldn’t matter this year. The basic argument is that Lamar and the Ravens have been worse than we anticipated, and Josh Allen and the Bills have been better than anticipated.

    • @youngOmackin
      @youngOmackin 13 годин тому

      @ Revisionist history. No one thought the Ravens were going to be good because of losing a bunch of defensive players and the DC. Also, the stats mattered and that’s why Josh with his 25 TO finished 4th last year

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 13 годин тому

      If you are going by QBR then Allen wins. If you are going by wins then Allen wins. If you are going by stats (epa per play) then Allen Wins. If you are going by narrative Allen wins. there really is no argument for Lamar this year, but he is a great player and future HOF for sure

    • @youngOmackin
      @youngOmackin 12 годин тому

      @ I do think Josh is ahead right now. His last 2 games were national TV games that he went off in. Everyone clowed Lamar for throwing 5 TDS against the Giants so are Josh stats these last 3 weeks going to count less because of the opponent? Lamar’s next 2 games are national TV games so he has a chance and has the stats to win it.

  • @nh9036
    @nh9036 13 годин тому

    Delusional.

  • @Kobemamba2357
    @Kobemamba2357 13 годин тому

    Dan O sucks

  • @packerfan655
    @packerfan655 13 годин тому

    Lamar will win the MVP

  • @LordZark69
    @LordZark69 12 годин тому

    Allen is overrated. And plays in the worst division and a easy schedule if he had the ravens schedule the bills wouldnt even make the playoffs

  • @GreenStrokeHillbilly
    @GreenStrokeHillbilly 13 годин тому +3

    JA17 shouldve won it a few years back the first time they gave it to Lamar

    • @youngOmackin
      @youngOmackin 13 годин тому +3

      When Lamar led the league in TD passes in his first year starting? No way

    • @darwenfrankie5935
      @darwenfrankie5935 13 годин тому +1

      Nah that was before diggs , you tripping and I’m a Bills fan . We blew the game to Houston in the playoffs . Lamar deserved that one . Last year Josh numbers was better but crazy load of turnovers

    • @GreenStrokeHillbilly
      @GreenStrokeHillbilly 13 годин тому

      @@darwenfrankie5935 then whatever year it came down to Josh vs Lamar for MVP . Can't remember which exact..but you should know..seeing as your a die hard fan.

    • @jermainetraylor842
      @jermainetraylor842 13 годин тому

      You smoking crack he was not better in any category in 19

    • @jermainetraylor842
      @jermainetraylor842 13 годин тому

      ​@darwenfrankie5935 and he finished 4th in mvp so how lamar steal it

  • @masterofthecraft1990
    @masterofthecraft1990 13 годин тому

    I got Saquon

  • @idk88876
    @idk88876 13 годин тому

    Take Allen off the bills, they would stilll have a solid record, take Lamar off the ravens and they would be fighting for the number one pick

    • @jalvarez8204
      @jalvarez8204 13 годин тому

      Gotta be the silliest thing anyone has said on this thread.Do u watch football?Do u know who is on both of these rosters?.The Bills #1 reason for leading their division is Josh Allen he throwing the ball too valet Parkers ND bouncers.James Cook is pretty good but he ain't no Hall of Fame type like Derrick Henry ND Lamar throws too Zay Flowers ND Odell Beckham Jr!.Both Ravens ND Bills pass defense is trash but that's only similarity Josh is DEFINITELY doing more with less.U elevated your run game too Elite with the most dominant RB of the last 7-8 years ND you got less victories than last year as well as fighting for your life for the division.Bills lost Gabe Davis the speedster ND Downfield threat along with Stefon Diggs ND Got BETTER.make it make sense.

    • @donkeybus
      @donkeybus 12 годин тому

      lol what fantasy land do you live in? You have no clue, Bills would be at best a 500 team without Allen

    • @idk88876
      @idk88876 12 годин тому

      @@jalvarez8204 since you wrote a whole bunch of yap let me just expain this to u. bills defense and o lineranked in the top 10 this year, the ravens arent even top 20. Tje ravens are 4-9 without Lamar. the bils are 2-2, Lamar won an MVP throwing to willie snead at 22, Allen is winning his first mvp at 28. stfu. Lamar is and always will be better then allen

    • @idk88876
      @idk88876 12 годин тому

      @@jalvarez8204 also how is allen doing more if he has 25 tds whole the other one has 34 and lost more games. Make it make sense

  • @LuhDracoYT
    @LuhDracoYT 13 годин тому

    First