How Skjelmose FROZE out of the Race
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Riding for 15 years in Philly, and now almost 20 in Colorado, the maxim I've always followed is if your hands and feet get cold, you'll never get them warm again. It's just so much easier to over dress and shed, than the other way around. Especially when it gets wet!
I had some very close calls. When your feet and hands get wet and cold. Better get help.
I did the Triple Bypass in 2022, and even though I had dressed for the temps, the driving rain coming down off the first mountain pass nearly undid me. The only salvation was a 15-passenger van they had in Georgetown we could take turns sitting in to warm up. I live in upstate NY, ride in the cold and have commuted through brutal winters, but I’ve never been that cold. It was something else.
When it gets cold and rainy at 10k or 11k, like nothing else 🥶. Been there done that…
@@chrisgee3197 I got caught without a jacket in a rainstorm in high elevation Colorado in the summer exactly once. Cold to the point of shaking and confusion. Always have the rain shell in the jersey at least !!
Totally agree. So easy to roll down arm and leg warmers and unzip vests. And take off gloves.
I have been that frozen out before. Even in conditions that I did fine in before, but just, I don't know, there was this one race, I got a super chill . Bailed on the race, put on every warm thing I had, drove straight home 3 hours with the heat on max and still no good. I wasn't normal again for days! Other guys in that race were talking about life-changing levels of hypothermia. I couldn't sleep, I couldn't think, I couldn't eat, my digestion got bad, I had super-low temperature, even at home under the blankets, I was weak as a kitten and woozy for days. Never racing in that weather again. Nope. I feel bad for Skjelmose.
You were probably ill and therefore more succeptible to getting cold
Congrats to Stephen Williams! Dressed for the win.
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For real! Even on peacock the commentators were saying something about him still having all of his gear on lol.
merci
I feel for him, I got hypothermia in a cyclo x race end of February.Similar conditions but the race was 5 laps, and taking about 1.5 hours. Everyone was soaked from the start and there was water everywhere, and boggy fields.
Like Skelmose, I decided not to stop to get more clothes as i would lose places. In the end i had to stop after 3 laps as was shaking so much and couldn't ride the bike.
The race organisers and medics were fantastic . It took a long time to get my temperature back up.
I'm 68 and very lean and small. You're right about riders not always feeling the same thing. Since I turned 50 I've coped badly with the cold.
Look forward to your LBL vid!
holy fuck, that's BRUTAL...
Brutal 🥶🦋🤪🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
I did a winter bike tour a few years ago thinking it would be fun and novel. Camping in the snow was fine, my derailleur froze lol. But man riding downhill in the freezing rain is what did me in. I had never been so cold in my life, I hung out in a portable bathroom on the side of the road for over an hour. My fingers couldn’t even pull the brake levers haha.
Yes, great explanation. Chris has discussed this before -- UAE riders don't always work together when Pogacar isn't there. A total disaster here, when they had a great chance to win.
Right. Absolute disaster. It’s as if no one is talking to each other on that team. 🤪🦋
I never care what the fashion of the day is. I look at the temperature and I know what "I" need to do. Period.
Wet clothing is heavy.
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Cheers, Chris. Three points: As a letter carrier in Michigan, a cold, hard rain is absolutely the worst weather. Two, are some of the absolute knucklehead moves, maybe related to betting and gambling. Three, Skjelmose should know better as a northern European. That was surprising to me.
I ski all winter in temps down to sub zero. There is nothing more bone chilling than riding a road bike in 35-45 degrees F while its raining hard.
Thanks Chris for this interesting aspect of the impacts of (almost extreme) weather on riders. True, Skjelmose is a small athlete and has probably very low body fat. Hopefully, the weather won't be as bad for LBL!
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Very interesting. Generally 40s and raining is treacherous for any outdoor sport. The correct clothing so crucial to avoid hypothermic. Having experience hypothermia a few times it is demoralizing and frightening no matter if you think you are tough as nails.
Tough as a wet bike rider at 40 degrees in the wind!
40 sounds so warm
Not something I'd normally say, but no mention of ladies' Fleche, with Kasia N. winning? Top five in the sport, arguably, and took her first win in five years. Fun moment.
I don’t do spoilers or want to make a video that isn’t any good. By the time we are done making T🦋E the day is all used up and there wouldn’t be enough time left to do a proper video in the ladies. I do watch most of the big women events but it’s always later during the day or even the next day because I spend a ton of time chatting with you guys. 🤪🦋👊
SkjelFROZE
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Back in '88 Hampsteen won the Giro because of warm clothing. The weather conditions were horrible with lots of wind and snow. On the top of the Gavia, he changed into skiing outfit, and that day he won the Giro.
Great perspective Chris.
If you haven’t raced in the Alps, Pyrenees or Rockies possess a clue. Tyrol in July can be savage.
Exactly 🥶🦋👊
Like I was told one time piss power planning makes for a piss poor performance. They knew the weather could get bad. And once you are wet and chilled and skinny, no amount of clothes isn't going to work.
Uno-x actually put their leg warmers on during the race. I would have loved to have seen that. I don't know if they stopped our what, but they got them on, and all 5 finished. Great stuff, Chris.
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Planning is survival when the weather looks like Flèche did. 👊👊👊👊🦋🦋🥶🥶
The worst thing by far is the cold. Sometimss i cant even grab the handlebar as i cant feel my hands. Id rather be sweating buckets
I'm completely puzzled as a Scandinavian. Skjelmose will for sure be aware of what 3C does to you. At least the UNO-X boys did us proud.
Looking forward to LBL. Appreciate all the information on gear. Will be handy in watching things in future races where there's bad weather.
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Just even doing a casual weekend ride, I ride in my Australian winter in a fleece jersey long sleeve, full leg knicks, full Finger gloves and some really nice thermal socks on feet . I can tell you at 3 Celsius or even lower , oh man, thankfully my core is warm but, my fingers and feet are cold, and this is in fine weather, add rain and sleet, I don’t want to to think about it….
Reminded me of the video of hypothermic Bob Roll at the 88 Giro; unconscious, shake, conscious, unconscious, shake, conscious, ect.
That boy was hella froze.
Right 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
Talk normal
@@billieboybuddha4238 boy...you hella froze. Billy
I just packed my shoe covers and long finger gloves for my cycling trip! THANK YOU Chris!
I hit a storm up mt Diablo in northern California about 25 years ago. My hands froze coming back down to where I could barely brake into the turns. Never again. It's easier pealing off excess clothing if it gets warm. Stevie was fully suited as he won.
You nailed it yet again Chris. Bare flesh at 3 rainy degrees C is toxic masculinity. 👍
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That was a crazy cold and wet race. Rather just have snow and no rain.
Cold weather tip - cycling shoes with leather uppers keep your feet warmer.
new s paper under your sole
I was always the pit women for my husband when he was doinf cyclo cross and handing up bottles in MB and Road races. In winter I the first thing I did when finished was strip him down put the warmest clothes on including gloves and a hat. Always the same routine. If he left the house on a cold day I’d be the verbal checklist - which route, gloves, extra rain jacket and safety foil blanket they weigh nothing. The SD should take some of the responsibility for what the riders wear. It’s all about the drill.
Fantastic Mr Horner. Nobody analyzes the race like you do. Much appreciated.
You’re the best Chris. There is no close second to your race reports and commentary.
Great insight, love it!
As a former pro domestic and a wilderness first responder that level of hypothermia can be fatal ie heart attack brain damage death. That was far more serious than people realize.
Disagree as he looked like he was seizuring and being carried off. That is extremely serious.
Totally. Because once the core is losing its heat and slowing down blood flow to extremities and shivering isn't enough, you're in a very dangerous zone.
Let's not forget the fact that on a bike, it adds to the danger cause by the uncontrollable shaking, the poor coordination and reflexes combined with compromised decision making.
@@alpsalishshaking is a good sign actually. When you get really frozen you stop shaking
Yes, it looked real bad.
Hope he get well soon.
@@alpsalish, don't disagree that arrhythmia is always a problem with hypothermia. *but* the presence of team cars makes this a much safer than the same hypothermia in the backcountry.
Stevie Williams should be giving lessons on how to dress in the rain and cold.
Good analysis, Chris, thanks. Yes, I have those Castelli gloves.
Did you see stage 4 of the Tour of the Alps? I saw it this morning, and I thought it was intense. I saw Chris Harper come within even 10-15 seconds of catching Simon Carr, and then Harper crashed in a very scary way. During this part of the stage, and until the end of it, the group of GC favorites was seriously putting Juan Pedro Lopez to the test, but he got to stay in the lead. It was a very exciting stage.
Yeah he was very lucky
such great content. Thanks 👍👊🦋
Skjelmose himself has called it a knucklehead thing to do (or at least called it a major mistake) and said he already have gone over his bag with bad weather clothing 10 times to make sure it doesn't happen at LBL. So he seems to have learned his lesson. But someone on the team for sure should have insisted that he started in better clothing
Great insight from a top expert tour winner
Shocking to see this occur in mid-April. It’s something you’d maybe expect at the start of Paris-Nice or Milan-San Remo.
It's Belgium ! Even in May the weather can be pretty bad
Way, way back in the day we rode in winter/late fall in Pennsylvania with plastic bags on our feet and ankles and mittens on our hands. Didn't have any fancy gear to use. I can still feel the cold 50 years later.
Did the same in NYC! The cold feeling never goes away!
As a bike messenger you learn very quickly about your gear choices even wearing Gore-Tex I still needed the best thing to keep my feet dry u.p.s.bags but you gotta put it on before you get cold.Duh.
Whenever I holiday in Spain in the off season all the Spanish riders go out in what you could call Winter gear on what a UK rider might term a pretty nice Spring sunshine day . Sitting in the bunch getting sprayed with cold water off rear wheels for over 200km is no joke ! Not like going out on a solo training rides where u can stop before it gets that bad .
I find it hard to get my head round pro riders on a really cold day with wind and rain forecast setting off in light kit and then being surprised they end up freezing. The winner had tights, a long sleeve jersey gloves and at one point 2 jackets. He’s from Wales in the UK so I’m guessing he’s done his fair share of training in bad weather and knew that once he got really cold there’d be no coming back.
Steives (ipt) clothing sponsor are Ekoi. They make heatd winter gloves. Amazing piece of equipment
Hey everyone who is following Chris’ channel: let’s talk each to at least ONE of our friends about how amazing the content on this channel is. For the life of me, I don’t understand how quality doesn’t at least get you to 500 k followers on UA-cam!
Great insight as always Chris! I was amazed at how many teams and riders misjudged the weather risks, seems almost unprofessional to me but maybe the pressure to perform caused an outbreak of knuckleheadery? FOUR teams were 100% DNF, crazy...Losing a race because you're embarrassed to dress up warm is nuts. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, as they say. Bring on Sunday!!
Great free class on proper clothing; it did make the difference for Stephen Williams...
I like that vertical zipper on the gloves--BUT I will say that I've not yet found a claimed 'waterproof' glove that actually is waterproof on the shell. The membrane is always next to your skin, and the damn gloves are like a sponge that collects water. They become sodden, and cold hands.
Agreed. But still better than no gloves. 🤪🥶🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling I found these 'Hybrid' gloves from Craft with a mitten shell you can pull out of the top and over the glove fingers. I ended up riding in these a lot this year. Thin, but that mitten cover really did the trick, and they did not get sodden. (over in Eugene... WET and cold.)
Tut tut...all that support....still ferked it....energy creates heat
I didnt realize my left sock slipped down under my tights, ripping down Col de Saxel in France, about 2006(?) ... which was 1st climb, on Stage 14, 2023 TdF on July 15th 😂🎉.
So I had frostbite rash for about three years, above my left ankle: a "silver-dollar" rash that took 3 years to heal.
Yup!! My mates always laugh at me for being over dressed.. till the month of May anyway… here in the northeast you can never know how the weather is going to change… now you can always take off and put gloves and warmers in your pockets…
Interesting insights Chris. So nowadays it’s not possible to draft off the team car to get back into the race after a mechanical or other issue?
I'm always amazed at some of these guys? During a 70 degree training ride, they're dressed in full winter kit, but on (even) a sunny 35-40 degree race day they dress like it's 85 degrees. I always tell people "You can always take it off, but if you don't have it to begin with, you're screwed" (not so much in the way of team cars in P12 amateur races). There's nothing worse than going cold in a race. You never recover from it once it happens. Even on a full summer training day I tuck in a wind jacket, cause if that T-Storm hits it can get cold in a hurry. That was a hell of a race!
Agreed with all. Beautiful to watch from the chesterfield that’s for sure. 👊🦋🛋️
So, why aren’t you a DS, Chris? I think you’d be great at it.
Tiesj Benoot hadn't slept the night before Fleche ... He was present at the birth of his daughter ....
One other thing you can do Chris. Do some training up here in Canada usually cold in off season freeze your balls off and makes you a cold weather man. Cheers
Skjelmose is 100% OK and will start in Liegi
Dressed for winning!!
100% preventable DNF
Start warm - stay warm.
Funny how a video entirely about clothing could be this entertaining
Remember the Dumb & Dumber scene where they arrive at Aspen…?
Great show Chris, yeah poor guys frozen all over the place
Toms Skujins is one of my favorite riders. Always dependable and (imho) has great race sense.
Too much indoor training these days, they need to go out in all weather so they understand how their body will respond, what clothing to wear and when to put it on.
Some seriously bad choices were made yesterday. 🥶😩🦋
Well said!
Wow. I've seen that twice at Iceman Cometh with amateur riders.
Hi Chris, thanks for the master class on dressing for the weather. By the way - why were you only wearing one shoe cover? (12:48)
Hehehe. Yes, only one shoe cover for the final climb. But there’s story behind that, of course. 😂🥶🦋👊
Story time when I can find the time for it. 👊🦋📖
Cold is OK.
Wet is OK.
Cold and wet together are horrible!!!!!!!
Hehehe. Agreed. You are 100% correct 🥶👊🦋😂
Yup! I say that all the time, I can be cold or I can be wet. I can’t be both lol.
A lot of the finishers looked like they'd aged about 20 years in a few hours! Stevie Williams had the best pick of clothing but how his feet survived I'll never know!
The poor fitting rainwear for some of the teams really shocked me. Inieos and Total Energy seemed to be the worst. I thought they were wearing parashots! They should take some lessons from Uno-X! 🥶😂
I mean parachute. 😂
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What’s the recovery look like for hyperthermia? Are you back training? Ready for the next weekend?
3 degrees centigrade is 37.4 fahrenheit. How fast were they descending - 40 mph, soaking wet at 37.4 degrees
At least. I saw 50 mph. 🥶🦋
WOW, Poor guy is like Popsicle.
You remember that Vuelta 2013 stage 14 correctly Chris (finished 3rd behind winner Daniele Ratto and Nibali) and also I can bet that some of the 20 guys that DNFs (including the legendary IVAN BASSO) were making jokes at you in that morning 😆😆
I have a huge immunity to cold.i always ride in super cold conditions in decades. Even at zero degree Celsius im only wearing a jacket and bibshorts and just long gloves.
Cant stand the heat though .anything above 26 degrees is killing me....
My points is,it comes down to the individual.
Poor guy, hope he is OK.
A bitter lesson for Skjelmose, is it actually a good idea in terms of his health to ride LBL if similar conditions are likely?
I have been that cold before during the Redlands Classic once and the next day I got lucky because they cancelled the morning race which I was very happy about but I did start the next race and felt fine. Let’s hope Skjelmose has a similar recovery. 🤔🤞🦋👊
12:48 You got one shoe cover on and one off? :-D
One time I was riding a long ride. The last 20km I almost couldn't break because my hands were frozen. Once I got home I coulsnt unzip my shirt. Had to go inside the small reception close to where I used to live and put my fingers close to the heater in the room. After 10-15minutes I was able to unzip my shirt and go back home 😂
I make it a standard rule. no riding or racing in sub-50 forecast or wet.
I can barely take my shoe covers off sitting down
Incredible...hard to reason any excuse for that decision. If need be, I ALWAYS will tend to overdress if the situation requires.
Chris I'm 55 years old.
My question is do you sleep as well and or as long as you did when you was younger?
55 here as well. No, none of us do
sidenote_ Chris, did you see Chris Harper (Jayco) wreck on stage 4 @ the Tour of the Alps? bruh....it was 😱 terrifying. I couldnt believe the soigneur took a bike off the team car.
Watching the races on Danish tv the commentators (often retired riders) make fun of riders wearing anything but the standard outfit. “You dont ride the finale like that” they often say. I always wondered about that and when Mads Petersen won the VM in cold weather i had a theory that if someone like Trentin(who came second) had been wearing something varmer he would maybe have beaten Mads inthe sprint. Those guys were shaking even on the podium.
Thanks Chris...yeah. they're all so lean now ...Papillon
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It’s a shame that there’s no group think to say let’s stop, take 5 and get dressed for this change of weather before 80% of the peloton pull out
This super skinny guys are made for 35 degrees where we bulky ones start to overheat quite quickly. If its cold you can dress up but in heat there is very little you can do. The efficiency of body in heat is a serious disadvantage in the cold. So better keep at least a bit of natural isolation.
No. Us skinny guys have 0 insulation. I shiver if a draft hits me😅
It rains like that most days in Wales. Trust me I know
these are not the riders mistakes , but the team director and managements mistakes ... someone must know the weather forecast .... t
The riders knew bad weather was a high possibility. In the pre interviews the riders mentioned it many times. So they should prepared for it and you are exactly right that the DS should have asked what the hell they were thinking as they took their clothing off before the race started. 🤔👊🦋🥶
LBL will be a Norwegian, Scandinavian, Denmark-ian _ wet dream of a race. Those guys will be in their happy place. UNO-X will come to play!
Mads Petersen would have smashed this race
totally agree.
Could advertising have a part to play in this?
If all the extra gear were branded same as the team, then however dressed the riders were, it won't make a different to screen time for sponsors and also the aesthetic for the viewers.
Not Niboli, it was Hincapie
Hincapie wasn’t at Spain that year 🤔🦋
Rough to see. Hope he recovers well. Certainly wearing nothing like this snuggie on the chesterfield.
Dude. I have been there. Not cycling, but swimming in the ocean. Thought I was good, would warm up so I went in without a wetsuit. By the time I realized it I was shivering uncontrollable. Almost full convulsions. Just like his arms. No control. It was miserable. I second the overdressing.
I’m surprised that with all the technology they didn’t see this coming. If you go on a long ride you check the weather for different locations 🤷♂️
I worked outside most of my life, and one simple fact is that it is easier to stay warm than it is to get warm once you're cold.
Take the time to dress for the occasion.
Accidentially hit subtitle button. Fléche Wallone becomes "Flesh One". I assume Matthias Skjelmose was on "Flesh Zero" that day.
Apart from that I've been in identical situations while being a "Flesh 10" by the time and my experience is carrying extra body fat with you just makes it all worse (since the early 90s I have been the Ullrich-type with 95kg in the bag during winter months and 75kg in race mode at the challenging hilly races in my country from around mid May). For a decade I participated in an early harbinger race, weather often changed to cold and rainy and worst thing was going full race mode at +1°C and rainy or hailing conditions. You might as well submerge yourself in an ice tub, literally. Even in good race shape, the speed is just slowly drained out of you and before you know it you've ended up in hypothermia. The first year I participated, I wore warm clothes but not winter clothes, and I suffered severely for the following 3 days. Since then it has become my favorite race, as I usually have an advantage in difficult conditions and especially the long distances - but only with the right clothes - and for that race I have ever since always been on the starting line in full monty winter gear with tri-claw mittens, thermal shoe covers, etc.
Amundsen: "Fine weather all morning"
Scott: "We shall march for the depot with or without our effects and die in our tracks."
of course Amundsen was Norwegian..