The Tour de France of BETRAYAL
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Chris, I remember when Jani Brajkovič told for Slovenian television, that you were one of the best teammates. And he said, that it was thanks to you, that he won the Critérium du Dauphiné.
Yes Charles Dionne Chris ex team mate said the same
The capital of Slovenia was largely built on collective labor. They really know how to work together its crazy
Love that, thanks for sharing friend!
We regularly hear stuff third, fourth hand etc. But the reason Chris's channel is so good is that we get the inside, often untold stories direct from someone who was there, right in the thick of it, raw & zero BS. Thanks Chris!
Inside story worth the listen. Big fan of story time with The Hornster.
I love too Chris true story, I wonder if Chris has also never revealed things about Lance, Who admittedly doped himself even before Cycling when he was doing triathlon.
I love these stories so much. I especially loved watching Cadel get emotional talking about how much he appreciated your work for him.
Great story! 2 things you left out that I have questions for but I think I know the answer to…
1. My guess is you wouldn’t want to repeat some of the words coming out of Lance’s mouth to your mother…
2. You and Levi probably don’t exchange Christmas cards 😂
Correct on both. 😂👊👊
Hilarious comment
And Johan spouting choice words in a dozen languages.
this is simply crack for cycling fans, chris. thanks for sharing. i'm lucky enough to live in france and have been on the route for the last 10 (non-COVID) years or so. it's simply the greatest sporting event in the world. i have stories for a lifetime (including cheering you up the mountain a couple of times - gérardmer and risoul!). i'll be out there again this year for sure. thanks for stoking our passion as always.
Chris is a great storyteller
I love story time. Besides family and friends, life is about doing or watching something special and then talking about it later. 👊👊
@ChrisHornerCycling you are the real deal
Good times!
Janez Brajkovič always gets praise from riders I talk with.
Thanks for another story time. Keep them coming. Very few pros will tell the stories. Your Vuelta win is still the high bar for me, and there’s nothing wrong with that👍. Eclipsing that will take something special.
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Amazing story. I watched that Tour closely and never had any idea of the internal team struggles. Levi don't look so good here, I have to say. Thanks, Chris, for that honest, fascinating behind-the-scenes look.
Thanks Tom 👊👊
That got me laughing as well ... Hi Chris Horner .. It is like you suddenly realized that you were introducing yourself.
Yes. It's condradictional😂😂
Allow myself to introduce… myself.
Hehehe. Funny every time I do it. 🤪😜😂👊👊👊
@@nicolaslennartz🤣🤣🤣 My name is Richie Cunningham
More of "Horner's Story-time" plz! I know the names of all these story characters by heart. So to hear what REALLY REALLY happened between all of them is like finally watching the "behind-the-scenes" production cut! i always wanted Brajkovic to win more, but now that I hear what a team player he was, it all makes sense. So many episodes, so little time! Thanks Chris!
Ooops I just dropped it! Nice inside story Chris! Thanks!
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@@ChrisHornerCycling that was hilarious "oops I just dropped it"- old time woman cyclist here at college level in 80s but have always loved the grand tours. your stories are amazing and so exciting. thank you!!
Chris, you're such a great storyteller! Love hearing you share tales from the past!! Keep it coming please. Thank you!
I remember that stage very well. I recall hearing about some friction between Lance and Kloden after Lance's flat, because he had to wait for a wheel, but never heard about Leipheimer. That's pretty wild. Thanks Chris.
It’s no wonder that you had such a huge engine on the bike, it’s so impressive that you just don’t need to take a breath!! Keep the, coming Chris.
That time when someone asks you about the paperweight on your desk and you let them know it's the team prize from the biggest race in cycling...........
The terrible part of Lance is not that he doped as a professional cyclist, Lance used those dead and dying cancer patients to hide his lies. If the truth came near, Lance would use Livestrong to put out another commercial with some children or someone whose rotting body looked pathetic enough to ask for donations. The common defense of Lance is "but look what he did for cancer" and that is a carefully crafted lie which was perpetrated. I was a Senior Leader at Livestrong and while that organization does do good things, Lance used it as a shield for his benefit. Lance does not deserve your attention, he deserves to be forgotten.
100%. Well said.
Levi lying was just following his team leader's lead. Not quite in the same league though, was he?
Why single him out? 99% of riders were doping, and 99% of them lied about it. Grow up.
Interesting to hear you speaking about betrayal when the biggest elephant in that room was the lead rider of your team. Will be interested to hear your perspective on that story.
Chris does not seem interested in that part of history. Which makes a person wonder.
I have followed your career from the mid-90s when I had an adjunct professor at CU-Boulder who was an amateur cyclist and we got to talking about the influx of American cyclists making in-roads on to the European racing squads and the emergence of American sponsored teams being able to compete. It's great to hear the inside scoop on not just the "story behind the race" but also the peppering of race tactics within the story itself and how the drama played out on the tarmac. Bike racing is such a mystery to those who aren't familiar with its nuances, tactics and drama, but even for fans...we don't realize how much we're truly missing from within the peloton.
Lance's picture hung on my wall for years, next to Greg's picture, until I took it down and threw it away. I wanted to forgive him, but his lack of sincere contrition made that impossible. The worst part is that he ruined the most inspiring cancer survivor story ever. Such a beautiful story and he ruined it.
Same here. Im not interested in anything he has to say. Besides cheating he doesn't seem like a nice person anyway.
I wore my Nike tee shirt hoodie the other day featuring Lance’s charity. I love the shirt but hate that I have to think of Lance every time! 😂
@@johndef5075that’s an understatement.
@@StephenBazemore-oc3kl I think I will. Thanks!
Crazy times in sports 😳
I guess Mr. Armstrong was not used to being the screwee rather than the screwer! LOL. Great story!!
Yes, my crocodile was just bawling when he heard about Lance's woes.... 🐊
The bus ride to the hotel was a tense one 😱
I knew it was storytime from the thumbnail and could not wait to listen. Story started slow but ended with a bang and did not disappoint. Put a smile on my face at the end. More of such content pls. :)
“Oops, I just dropped it…” ROFL 😂 You’re the best Chris!
And ultimately levi betrayed armstrong causing an unraveling of armstrong's denial of performance enhancing drugs
Didn't remember that betrayal by "bottle" (I'm sure some here remember the hilarious "animated" videos that imagined what happened behind the scenes, wish I'd saved them) but the 2009 would probably qualify as even higher stakes drama, the stage to Verbier for instance with Kloden chasing Contador for Lance !
I missed that TdF. Had to be some quiet nights at the team dinner table. 😱
Awesome story Chris!
It is so interesting to hear the behind the scenes drama. Looking forward to the next one.
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Gives me a better idea why Levi couldn't get on a team after his 6-month suspension.
He didn’t make many friends. 😂👊
Chris, you're one of my favorites to follow. Every time I think of TDF , of all the riders, I think of you first. Love the recaps!
Cracking story 👏🏻👏🏻😍😍 I’d say you have seen A TON of drama over the years!! Would you say it’s as common in ALL team nowadays?? Because it’s not often we see the likes of what happened in last years Vuelta!!!
It’s not all the time but there is often one teammate when you are not 100% sure he was going to do the right thing all the time. And you just wondered when it was going to happen and where. 🤔😳
Hope you are feeling well and the lungs are good CH. Another great video, thanks!
So far I have not seen the ER since last November but four trips there in one year leaves me a bit worried still. 😱🤞
@@ChrisHornerCycling Really hope you can leave this behind at some point. Sounds really horrible. Get well soon.
Story time request 2011 Tour of California Stage 7. Final climb of Mount Baldy. You and Levi just rode everyone off your wheel. It didn’t look like you were even breathing hard. Everyone else in climbing hell behind you.
Must have been the NO interval training! 🤣
between micro-doses?!
@@ianhayward1747he's a legend. You're a nobody who has achieved nothing and will be forgotten to the sands of time.
I will tell that story one day for sure. The legs were super. When you look at the zippers on the jerseys. You know I was good. 👊👊
Loved this war story! Thanks, Chris. Hope that trophy you dropped didn't get too busted up.
Chris, I love your analogy about the family also about other things and as a photo journalist who has known you on and off during the years I know that your story is spot on and I also know Levi pretty well and can completely imagine this is what happened. It’s why I’ve never given any money to his grand Fondo, and in fact, well anyways, great story and stuff that are behind the scenes show us what real integrity means and we’re all just waiting for you to ride a really good book 400 pages minimum plus photos
Amazing Story. .... I can't remember what I had to eat this morning.
Perfect. I did the story right then. 👊👊👊👊
Going back and watching the tours of my childhood I now realize how blessed I was that the late 2000s early 2010s was when I got into the TDF, 08, 09, 10, 11 were all(imo) classics with so much great drama and so many classic stages/moments
I'm going to take a leap of faith here... I don't see Levi sitting at your table for Thanksgiving any time soon. After Levi threw the dice, he only managed a 12th place anyhow... perhaps he learned from this.
He kept getting worse when the Tour got into the final week. The Tourmalet finally got him on the final mountain stage. 😳👍
@@ChrisHornerCycling Perhaps Lance withheld Levi's "vitamins"?
Would love to know your relationship with Lance. I know he can be difficult, but he hasn’t ever (to my knowledge) said anything negative about you. I say this because you seem like a natural fit for The Move podcast.
That’s Omertà for ya.
@@danroberts007There's another Omertà that everyone ignores. How everyone makes fantastic claims about doping. Who told those riders to dope? Sports Scientists did.
He knows he can call. 👊👊
Chris, love the stories behind the racing. If you get the chance, see if you can do some interviews with some of your teammates going over some of these races together. I believe that this would make some great content. Keep riding.
That story surprised me, I was thinking that Lance was the guy you were going to say did the betrayal... Levi is our home town hero here in Santa Rosa. He has a good reputation here
No doubt, reading between the lines, Levi had probably been spun a few tales about 'his turn' and support possibly for other races from Johan and Lance that never materialised. He probably decided to go for it and ditch Lance. What goes around comes around. Fair play as we say in the UK.
It was probably the madness and intensity of the moment and that's the odd thing about bike racing, riders being required to suppress their own power and chances for designated favorites, no matter what. And I get and respect team structure, it is the way the game is played and funded, yet there comes a time when all sports superstars fade and it would seem Lance was fading in that Tour, either through age or whatever, and he and his boss got mighty cranky at everyone after that day of off-road racing. And it would seem that Levi did see Lance on that narrow cobbled path, but not really a crime to reach for another gear and smoke on past him. It is racing, after all, and Lance could well have said, "Wow, Levi, you were rockin' those cobbles, impressive Team Radio Shack representation!" And why not, they were all getting paid and not everyone plays their best every single day. 😀
Exactly what I was thinking. With all the reputations Lance tried to destroy for the sake of his own guilt and ego, I don’t think I could have brought myself to race for such a back-stabber. Actually I don’t know if Lance ever felt guilt for cheating and lying. Maybe a sociopath?
@@robbchastain3036No way-this is the Tour and everybody goes for the team leader.
No matter what.Every domestique has his special orders what to do and when.
This is the most prestigious bike race in the world and everybody has prepared for it the six/seven months prior
It is possible he just didn't realise it was him. In all the dust and carnage and him being eyeballs out. Who knows.
Selfishness is one thing. Yet, to throw a teammate under the bus... while on the bus, is the lowest form of conduct.
Chris! So many stories, so little time!! This is one of the things I love about cycling. Even outside of racing…often there are epic stories we all could tell because of the nature of our sport. Anyway, well done and if you’re ever near Ft. Collins, CO and you want to ride - I’m in of course!
Great story Chris. Keep the story times going. Always like your perspective and analysis.
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Great stuff Chris ! Love this channel
Thanks for reminding me of that GREAT race! I remember Andy said Alberto's attack when he dropped his chain "put a fire in (his) belly."
Alberto should’ve waited and held Andy’s little trembling hand in such a traumatic moment.
I can listen to Chris tell stories all day. More please, keep them coming!
Well in todays racing, another Slovenian did a Leipheimer. Roglic didn't know that their race leader Sepp Kuss got dropped by his attack??🤔🤣
Fun Fact- Radio Shack was the very last store to close inside the Mountain View Mall in Bend, Oregon. The Mall was open but every other business was shuttered from K-Mart all the way down to Toys R Us.
I thought this would be something about betrayal of friends and family because of lying about drug use.
Amazing. Thanks Chris! I was very happy for Lance having won at least the team GC. Unbelievable what he went through that stage. He's a great guy, hard worker, immense discipline and killer instinct. The team GC trophy "accidentally" slipping out of your hand tells me the real meaning for you.
I was so surprised at how terrible the trophy was. Tons of work for a four inch trophy. 🏆 😱
Glad you enjoy the story 👊👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling You must have been told that size doesn't matter!? 🙂
Chris is a great guy who helped a monster. Not his fault for anything.
I admire you to the fullest Mr. Horner.
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Why the hell am I just seeing this now? I never saw a notification. This is pure gold Chris.
More more more
This is great content, Chris! I'm sure we would all enjoy a lot more storytelling and anecdotes from the inside, and the nostalgia of it all is a strong drug too :))
Memories are coming back. There are so many doper names....
Nice to see you Chris. Classics coming up!
great story I love the big script corrections of the tongue slips. so cute.
2010 Tour was always an enigma to me. Great to hear insider perspective. Thx Chris
Keep em coming Chris! One of a kind videos!
The 2010 TDF was amazing. I remember the neutralized stage so well because I was a few days into a bikepacking ride from Portland to Santa Barbara on my Tarmac. I stopped to eat a pizza and the shop had the stage on the TV. Just as I got my pizza Frank Schleck crashed out.
Now that in itself would be a story...the backpacking on Tarmac that is. But it is nice to have these memories connected to TdF.
@@recrevs963On a Tarmac? Whyyyy? 😛😛
I’ve done that route - great campsites on OR & CA 1, food stops everywhere. A Tarmac & bivvy bag would be perfect during summer.
Literally bikes without riders were skidding past me as I was trying slow down. I unclipped and zig zagged thru the broken bikes and riders all over the road. It was crazy cause even the motorcycles were crashed. 😱😳
Chris, it’d be cool to hear your perspective on motos in races as a rider of both. Keep the awesome videos coming, man! I was lucky enough to meet and get dropped by you a few times years ago, and you're one of a kind!
I’ll never forget other team riders constantly getting on Lance’s wheel and around him on those cobbles constantly blocking him in. Almost like they were told to do it. They’d mysteriously crash and then take forever to gather themselves. Anytime he tried to get around or actually did they would chase back and slowly surround him and slow him down.
Cobbles mean drama at any moment. 😱
13:32 you can see how badly he wanted to say ‘Chesterfield’. 😂
I’ll always remember the brew we shared at Tour de Gila… 🙏🏾💯🇺🇸
Lance doped, but so did pretty much everyone else and by that standard he should not have lost all his records and trophies. However, unlike pretty much everyone else Lance was hyper aggressive in lying about his doping and that aggression took the form of highly malignant attacks on anyone that questioned him. He was removed from the books for doping, but it was HIS actions that soiled hi reputation. It was his attacks on journalists and anyone that questioned him that warrants his exclusion from the history books. The asterisk by his name is his doing!
I'd luv to hear your story about the time when Vino needed a something maybe a teammate I can't quite remember. He was considered toxic at that point by most of the pelton, but I remember you stepping up to support him. I always respected that about you.
Story time with Chris!!
Love how you’re putting out videos everyday!
We miss you!
More story time!!!
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That 2010 TDF was such a sh*t show. TOO much 'drama', and too much doping and bad actors. At least the Grand Tours are somewhat cleaned up now, with less idiot behavior in total. Still some individual knuckleheads in each one, but overall a much better product now.
There’s always some knuckleheads to be found. 🤪👊
Great story Chris. Never would have known!!! Keep up the great UA-cam work and hope you do a book someday.
Loving story time. Keep em coming please Chris.
Great story! Its very nice to hear you still refer to Lance as the champion.
Chris, Great story! as a side tangent, I was intrigued by your comment about how riding US crits are good preparation for cobble stages. I can see the condensed pack aspect and the ability to move up in traffic, but very few US course (correct me if I'm wrong) have rough cobbles in them.
The so called betrayal of "Bad Boy" Levi Leipheimer is a piss in the ocean compared to the systematic betrayal carried out by Lance Armstrong. Johan Bryneel is equally guilty and i get equally annoyed when i hear his name mentioned. The hours i wasted watching Lance Armstrong cheating his way to 7 victories is criminal. I should have got a refund from the ASO for my Eurosport subscription.
I knew about this from one of your previous videos, but I’ve also heard some stories about Levi from folks on the inside. By coincidence I got an email from Levi’s Gran Fondo this morning encouraging me to sign up. (I rode in it a couple times when it first started) I was like, “F- Levi, I’m not doing your ride.” But to be clear that sentiment goes double for Lance. F- that guy. He more than deserves a little betrayal in his life. Drama does make the Tour more exciting; 2023 Vuelta was off charts. 2009 TdF. 1985 and ‘86 TdF: legendary drama. But the only videos about Lance I want to see are the ones that are 100% clear on his rampant cheating and what an epic A-hole the guy is.
Which top rider didn’t cheat during that era? As far as being a Ah. That’s a different story
I couldn’t agree more! Yes all the top riders were cheating. But Lance had to be the biggest egotistical a-hole in the group. When he got caught he always acted like a cornered wild dog.
@@bihlygoat yeah, I’m not a fan of any of the dopers, or those that are still denying it. Lance was on a whole ‘nother level though. He deserves zero respect from… basically everyone.
It's not really about who cheated. It's more about how the people in power used their influence and how it impacted the sport and specific people. You can say 'everybody cheated' but some minded their own business, and some took down everyone and everything in their path. Imagine if Armstrong had used his influence to clean up the sport, rather than hide what was going on? @@mracer8
Great story, Chris. A Solerism before Soler.
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And people hope uae will win tour de france with riders like that
I never was a levi fan...
I know Jonas is worried about the cobbles.. I wonder if Primoz is too... I know Pogi is comfy on the cobbles.. not sure about Remco
The dirt roads always seem to snag someone, so they all should be concerned. Jonas, Roglic, and Remco. During the cobbles of 2022 TdF Pog was super and always in the right place but if you look a bit closer. He didn’t have any teammates there to help much. 🤔😱
Remco's Belgian!
doesn't make him a great bike handler, but better than Primoz@@stevemawer848
Great stuff Chris! Please keep these "inside baseball" stories coming. 👍👊
Tnx for your nice words for Jani
Loved it thanks for the insight and honesty pal. Cheers
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Lancen Armstrong was never going for his 8th tdf. Cool story but still a narcissist and a fraud in my books.
Glad you enjoyed the story. 👊👊
You remember Any fist fights between teammates at a tour? Interesting insight. Thank you
You weave some fabulous tales, Chris, thanks for taking us inside the peloton and bus and Motel 6. And tell us this, did all y'all think that maybe Lance was losing it, losing the greatness and fading into a also-run? And that's life, the human experience even for champions and I saw that as a fan of motocross in the Seventies, the greats would enjoy a few years at the top, rule the school with three championships, then yield to the next up. And I get that Levi was expected to be an errand runner for the yet-to-be-uncrowned seven-time Tour champion, but wow, the Tour is on, fans around the world are cheering for the strongest to dominate the cobbles, Lance is puttering along a bumpy lane, and honestly, Levi is expected to slow down and pretend that Lance is the greatest cyclist the world has ever seen? Lance could have easily praised Levi for having the strength and stones to smoke him and then laugh about it, saying he'd pay him back the next day. And that's what fans want to see, I like characters, not stuck-up roadies who forever act like the boss with the hot sauce. 😀
Always wondered what happened at that tour, got into a lot of “discussions “ with friends throughout those weeks. It was interesting listening to the “experts” talk about the tactics.
The discussion part sometimes is more fun than the race. 😜😂👊
Great story! I watched Ryder Hesjedal race as a pro mountain biker before I became a pro. Very impressive watching him climb in the big front chainring up at Deer Valley, Utah! No one else was. He dominated!
Hi was using 😢
More drama, skulduggery and skin shown than the Game of Thrones!!
Keep the stories coming and the lawyers on retainer😊
My wife is my layer. 😂👊
So good to hear you on Sergio 😉👍, unbelievable what he done in Atenas 💯
hard to hold trophies that are not really won honestly??
Awesome, Chris😀👍👍... Bout time for another rippin' on the Katoom vid, eh?
Ehy Chris,
I think TDF 2010 is a good subject for another video. I recently heard Lance say in his podcast, that he went to Netherland thinking he could win it. But so bad luck in that first week. Chute, back soar, flat on the pavè, then another, dramatic, chute. I too, as a fan, thought that he could win, but looking back at the footage, also Tour de Suisse, it seems that he was lacking power in order to be competitive for the win. What you say? Could have he done the miracle that year? Is it true, like Bruyneel said once, that the prologue result doesn't mean much, or that astounding 4th place was an important sign? The review of that Tour could be a great video.
Hello from an italian that would have chosen you over Nibali 100 times as rider to support during that Vuelta, and never has regretted, you wrote a great page of grand tours.
Chris, you are number 1 at analyzing bike racing and tactics, thank you. Lance got what he deserved, I raced against him in the 80s and what a jerk he was. I really wish you and other cyclists would come clean on what was going on behind the scenes. I think that would make for some real drama for your fans. Maybe you could set the record straight about why you missed a doping test. Also, what everyone was using during this time. It made for some epic bike racing.
Bow. Thank you.
Very interesting story Chris, thank you! This GT season will be fascinating to watch. I hope the majority of riders are clean today, but given the unreal power numbers, I’m sure some riders are using enhancements.
I remember watching live and lance riding hard and solo in the dust after getting a fresh tire/bike. It was a heroic ride but he certainly burnt a lot of matches trying to stay with the race up the road. I listen to all of the move podcasts and they NEVER mention Levi. They are not shy about old beefs too.
As all your videos are, Story time videos are great. Always enjoy them and you’re an excellent story teller. This request is out of the blue, but maybe you can give a shout out in one of your videos to your old friend and mine, Peter Kendal. I’ve know Peter since 1976 and rode thousands of miles with him. Visited him on SD this past September. He still rides almost everyday and watchs all your videos. He’s 81 this month. He’d be very touched. Thanks!
You’ve always had the best stories! ✌️
Brilliant! When do we get to see you on Lance's pod telling the stories
That cheat is only allowed to speak in children's cancer wards and tell them what lying is until he dies. He used to tell the kids how big and bad he was when he was cheating.
It's weird, the finish line drop of Contador by his own teammate, and thereby go ahead of him on the GC standings is also a legendary betrayal on that same stage.
These story times are fantastic.
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Given typical cyclist personalities, the surprising thing is not that it’s hard to get them to work together as a team - what’s amazing is that you can get enough of them to ride in the same direction at once so you can even HAVE a race….
Loving the channel Chris just found it.. your vid on bonking was excellent.. 😊 subscribed ❤ Pete 🚴🏻😃👍
Thanks Pete 👊👊
Great stuff, Chris. I'll listen to any story that outs Leipheimer for the person he really is. He was my least liked rider ever. We should write a book about him.
You are amazing Chris.
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Always enjoy Story Time Chris.