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Yup, some comments also raised some good points about IOPS and cache, etc. I also have one external WD Black external but looking at the enclosure in this video and many out there, content creators won't get too far with it because the temperature goes over 50-60 degrees. This is why I have one with a heatsink enclosure provided with WD black. I also modified my own enclosure so it is more portable. Great for those who need it for 10-15 minutes, but not the heavy content creators who plan on using it with big data or over 1TB and longer duration 1-2 hours. You could get away with it for longer depending on usage but as expensive as 5TB are these days, not worth the risk on the sacrifice with durability or resillence. Nevertheless, great for a compact, portable approach and even more sturdy than carrying around a hard drive or bigger dimension formats like ssd. On production, SSD has been the way to go and even utilising the cloud streaming storage. instead not the cheapest nor faster approach but versatile.
Just want to say this was a really well presented video, you gave us all the info and made it clear what you did and didn't understand and explained things without giving any incorrect info
@@NickKendall Thank you for useful details! I purchased in October 2022 a new laptop, ThinkPad P16s and purchased separately and installed the newest Samsung 990 PRO, 2Tb which I am very happy with. The external storages I have are still SATA, HDD and old SSD, but I am thinking about faster add easier to carry external drive. Is SSD good to keep all files libraries (photos, documents etc) on or it is better to have them on HDD?
Good explainer Nick and good advice on taking advatage of NVMe enclosures. The one thing I don't see discussed enough with this option is how much heat becomes an issue. Faster drives mean more heat, and that can be a problem depending on how you setup your workspace - or for me when on the road and working from a hotel bed instead of a desk :)
You're right, heat is definitely a consideration! Especially with smaller enclosures. Luckily I haven't had too many issues with overheating :) Thanks for sharing!
I have a Samsung 990 pro WITH HEATSINK, what is the best way to use as a portable external drive? Im thinking because it has the heatsink as potector it don't need a case just a small short adapter but I can's seem to find a small adapter from M.2 to USB C?
Some factors that determines speed from enclosures. Sata speeds are slower than Pcie. Also the enclosure. USB4/Thunderbolt 40Gbps, USB3.2 Gen 2x2 20gbps, USB3.2 gen 2 10Gbps . That will be the theoretical maximum speed no matter what NVME you put into the enclosure. For 10gb enclosures, just put cheaper ssds at more than half the price of a high end card. ssds with dram performance better for sustained loads. If the ssd is 7000 MBps, you can only get that speed mounted in a motherboard with direct access to full bandwidth. Wired standards are the bottleneck.
Super super super helpful explanation. The enclosure is really the limiting factor here. Definitely need to find some cheaper TB3/4 Enclosures to use to go above that 3000mbit limit
Hi Nick, just wanted to say, it is a really good video ! Thanks for making it for all the folks out there. I would just like to point out that there is still one big parameter to take into account: the speed your I/O can manage. Because having a faster external disk on I/O that cannot handle much than the previous one would be useless. Cheers
I have some decent enclosures for my NVME drives. None are 40gbps but those enclosures are for those with usb4. If you don't have usb4 it is pointless to spend the extra money for the faster external drives. Im glad there are now 4t drives available that run decent speeds. Now to get an enclosure that will handle 4 of them at once for my desktop external drive. I have decided to keep my external drives for photo/video only. Saves space on my internal drive.
There are USB4 and Thunderbolt 3/4 enclosures that can reach up to 40Gbps. Any laptop with a TB3 port will work with it. Those enclosures are super expensive though because they they have TB controller on their board. if you stick a Gen4 NVME drive in there it will run extremely fast.
I exclusively run OS Sonoma off external SSD even on my new Studio Max with a limited internal HD of 512 GB. Speed is amazing when plugged to THUNDERBOLT cable and external case with 40 GB transfer speed.
i just bought a 2TB 2230 M.2 drive and really small enclosure for it. It cost me about $170USD total. With the included rubber sleeve installed the size comes out to 50mm x 48mm x 16mm. It included a short usb-c to usb-c cable but I bought a 32mm long male usb-c to male usb-c adaptor so i can use it just like a flashdrive.
I am about to pick my DIY ssd build, but I am looking for a greatly durable built with 4TB of storage space and charge trap technology. What would you recommend? The storage and the charge trap tech or a must within my setup atm
I have the same set up and when plugged in, it does not show up on the computer. Light turns on and it’s operational but it simply does not show the drive.
70 to 80 MB per second is slow for an HD.. thats because thats a 2.5 inch hdd and I would avoid those. Also you should NOT use those tiny enclosures for editing even with the thermal pad. It gets hot it will fail. These are great for transfering data. They are not for all day edit use. You need a unit with cooling or at least much much better airflow.
Thanks for sharing your thought! :) Interestingly I've found the opposite, when I'm editing from the drive it stays pretty cool. It's when I transfer large amounts of data to or from the drive is when it gets really hot.
@@NickKendall Thats not the point. For short burst of high activity that is fine and that is what these drives are made for. All day working while maybe NOT AS hot wears it down after a while. There is a reason that nobody who works on shows or films or any other critical production method works off drives like this.
@@mrfroopythat was my concern as well. Would recommend using the machines internal storage while working on the project then using the external NVME only for transfer ie backup
Hmm good question; It might depend on what operating system you're running and if it can support the drivers needed for the drive. Google might be able to give you more help than I can in that area.
Jup, better buy a Portable SSD. They tend not to overheat that much. Nvme's get really hot in a enclosure like that and anre not designed for frequent use like that
The Uni is a terrible design, don't think it could get any cheaper than that. It slides in the enclosure and I highly doubt that that thermal tape makes proper contact to the case.
@@albyxi have a similiar designed ssd enclosure and i can vouch these enclosures with slide-in case on most cases like mine (and probably this one too) the thermal pad wont make a proper contact with the outer case, and in my case it would get hot really fast with the case closed
@@albyxBasic physics seeing as how it slides in with no resistance. That means the case isnt touching. A better design are the ones that close on top and you can literally feel it pushing on the thermal silicone tape
Did some testing & found out that some SSD draw more power than others ... so if you are the kind of person that wants to use SSDs to transfer files from & to Mobile Gear like phones or Tablets/iPads (iOS or Android) or even Prof. Cameras, you may want to avoid the Samsong Pro lineup and go for SSDs that use less power like the Corsair MP600 Core XT or similer (not the MP 600 PRO ... the Core XT)...
Exactly.. I am using it mainly for storage and I operate off an android ecosystem.. so I got an ssd that wasn't getting powered by my tab and phone.. does anyone know upto what power consumption can a phone handle
Have does the thermal pad make contact with the ssd and the enclosure if you can just slide the top on and off ? You forget to clarify the NVMI vs SATA (they boat are m.2 and can be confusing) and there is no reason to by the fastest gen4 NVMI if you are trying to push the data true a USB2 port. This is not a technical review I would suggest to recommend other more technical reviews from other youtubers as well. It's fine to upload your experience, but maybe others will buy what you suggest and they will get worst speeds than a Samsung t5.
great video, you got a sub! can I use these inclosures and NVMe's to run linux os on daily? I am looking for something fast that can handle daily use consistently like an Os thanks
And then there’s Gibibits and Gibibytes! (And kibibytes, mibibytes, etc). The ‘ibi’ means that instead of each level going up by powers of 10, it goes up by powers of 2. So a megabyte is 1000 kilobytes or 1000^2 bytes. A mibibyte is 1024 kibibytes, or 1024^2 bytes. So just remember that KiB, MiB, GiB are larger (but not by an order of magnitude) than KB, MB, and GB.
Can be able to get one of these and be able to transfer 512gb worth of pics from my iPhone to the ssd and what would you say the transfer speed be like. I’m looking into gettin a tuf enclosure and a crucial p4 4tb nvme.
bits, Bytes; cents, Dollars; little, Big; little b, Big B; little bit or Big Bite. x10 rule for sake of ease. -ISP speeds look faster using more numbers, so they mess up the consistent Byte measurement, using bits likes 200 Mbps (mega bits per second, ~20 MBps (mega Bytes per second)). -Size is usually Bytes rather than bits, but ISPs like to looks 'faster'. -Keep it easy, just use bits and x10 if you see Bytes. -Yes, technically 8 bits = 1 Byte (4 bits is a nibble).
Nvme enclosures slow down on large transfers and when dealing with non sequential writes. I.e. lots of small files. 40gbs is the way to go. Don’t bother with the 10gbs enclosures. In my opinion.
I currently store my file libraries on an external HDD. I am interested in transitioning to an external NVMe drive. However, one issue with SSDs is that when copying a large amount of files to another drive, initially, the speed is high, but it later decreases significantly, falling below that of an HDD, which maintains a consistent speed. Have you had a similar experience? Can you transfer all files from one SSD to another with the same high-speed performance throughout the process? By the way, I have the same SSD on my laptop :)
Well, it depends on the SSD you chose, before buying you need to check for its SLC caching. For example, WD SN570 which has SLC caching 13GB which means, you'll get consistent speed of around 3500MB/s (As per the Read/write speed) till the 13GB then after it'll decreases to around SATA speed, which is usually around 450MB/s. If there is another SSD for example Samsung 970 Evo Plus, then you'll get consistent speed till 115 GB then it'll decrease to SATA speed. Every SSDs has their own SLC caching. before buying always look for SLC caching if your priority is to transfer heavy files every now and then.
@b.c.2177 Yes, but not totally it's only a single factor among many that gives an edge to become better. Overall, SSDs are chosen according to the needs. For example, if you're a content creator, then you'll need more SLC caching as you'll transfer more and large files more frequently than normal users. If you're gamer, then you'll go for better performance where you'll look for Random Read/Write speed. Also, some other factors we look for are having DRAM, TLC NAND Flash memory. These all things together make SSD better. One more thing to note is that usually, the brand does market with Sequential Read/Write speed, which is written on their boxes ,like 3500/3200 Mbps, 4050/3900 Mbps, etc, these helps when transferring data it's the speed we get initially until SLC caching gets full. But for performance, we look for random read/write speed. Which is written as 450,000 IOPS/560,000 IOPS or 450K IOPS/560K IOPS, etc.
NVME drives for use as external drives need also enough IOPS and cache. If not as far as the cache will be full, the transfer rates will drop down to classic Hard Drive speeds. It depends of how much data you plan to move. Expensive drives like the Samsung and WD Black are mostly good, but this is a issue with cheaper ones.
Yes, for example Sabrent has its own enclosure for 2 x M.2 and they can be set in raid as well. The thing I don't like about it is, it comes with its own power brick that is almost bigger than the enclosure itself. Plus the cables. So it kinda defeats the portability.
2 Esdras 7:75 I answered and said, "If I have found favor in thy sight, O Lord, show this also to thy servant: whether after death, as soon as every one of us yields up his soul, we shall be kept in rest until those times come when thou wilt renew the creation, or whether we shall be tormented at once?" 76 He answered me and said, "I will show you that also, but do not be associated with those who have shown scorn, nor number yourself among those who are tormented. 77 For you have a treasure of works laid up with the Most High; but it will not be shown to you until the last times. 78 Now, concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone forth from the Most High that a man shall die, as the spirit leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of the Most High. 79 And if it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not kept the way of the Most High, and who have despised his law, and who have hated those who fear the Most High -- 80 such spirits shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, ever grieving and sad, in seven ways. 81 The first way, because they have scorned the law of the Most High. 82 The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance that they may live. 83 The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of the Most High. 84 The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days. 85 The fifth way, they shall see how the habitations of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet. 86 The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will pass over into torments. 87 The seventh way, which is worse than all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in confusion and be consumed with shame, and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of the Most High before whom they sinned while they were alive, and before whom they are to be judged in the last times. 88 "Now this is the order of those who have kept the ways of the Most High, when they shall be separated from their mortal body. 89 During the time that they lived in it, they laboriously served the Most High, and withstood danger every hour, that they might keep the law of the Lawgiver perfectly. 90 Therefore this is the teaching concerning them: 91 First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders. 92 The first order, because they have striven with great effort to overcome the evil thought which was formed with them, that it might not lead them astray from life into death. 93 The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the unrighteous wander, and the punishment that awaits them. 94 The third order, they see the witness which he who formed them bears concerning them, that while they were alive they kept the law which was given them in trust. 95 The fourth order, they understand the rest which they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory which awaits them in the last days. 96 The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped what is corruptible, and shall inherit what is to come; and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty which they are to receive and enjoy in immortality. 97 The sixth order, when it is shown to them how their face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on. 98 The seventh order, which is greater than all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion, and shall be glad without fear, for they hasten to behold the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified. 99 This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the aforesaid are the ways of torment which those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter." 100 I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?" 101 He said to me, "They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterwards they shall be gathered in their habitations." 102 I answered and said, "If I have found favor in thy sight, show further to me, thy servant, whether on the day of judgment the righteous will be able to intercede for the unrighteous or to entreat the Most High for them, 103 fathers for sons or sons for parents, brothers for brothers, relatives for their kinsmen, or friends for those who are most dear." 104 He answered me and said, "Since you have found favor in my sight, I will show you this also. The day of judgment is decisive and displays to all the seal of truth. Just as now a father does not send his son, or a son his father, or a master his servant, or a friend his dearest friend, to be ill or sleep or eat or be healed in his stead, 105 so no one shall ever pray for another on that day, neither shall any one lay a burden on another; for then every one shall bear his own righteousness and unrighteousness." .....2 Esdras 7:75 //////////////
That is not the limitation of the drive or the enclosure. USB is the limiting factor, if you get a Thunderbolt enclosure, your bandwidth goes up to 40 gigabits. 10 gigabit is the bandwidth of USB 3 Gen 2 and USB 3 Gen 1 is limited to 5 gigabits a second. Also, not all prebuilt external SSDs are just a hiked-up price. Some offer IP rating, drop resistance rating and even thunderbolt certification which adds cost. Are they reasonable and fair? that is more of a subjective question and my personal answer is a no but then again I do not make a living out of it. also 1 byte = 8 bits.
I'm looking to replace my 2tb ORICO M.2 Enclosure build with a Samsung 980 Pro nvme with a 4tb option. The nvme best priced are the crucial P3 and WD BLACK SN850X 4TB housed in a thunderbolt enclosure, that's supports that size. My shortlist is a newer orico enclosure or one by ocasis or yottomaster. Still researching what to buy as cost is approaching £500
i have just bought the crutial p3 plus 4tb and put it in the asus tuff gaming A1 enclosure thats only rated to 2tb drives but plenty people have but the 4tb in it and it works perfect plus its the only enclosure i found to be ip68 rated whole setup only cost me £187
Great video, unfortunately not ‚true‘ anymore! I have several SanDisk extreme external ssd‘s (1x 1TB, 2x2TB, 1x 4TB) and they give around the same read / write speed- but, and here’s the clue now - significantly cheaper. The 4TB version costs ~235€ (good deal!) vs. Samsung nvme ssd 4TB ~329€ + enclosure ~35€ (~364€) for that you‘ll get a 4TB + a 2TB SanDisk Extreme SSD! Now speed difference you might think. There is none. You can get a better enclosure that actually supports faster transfer rates though, which will boost the speed up to 2-2.500 MB/s - but again, ~329€ (4TB Samsung nvme) + enclosure (that supports the speed! ~150€) = 479€ The SanDisk Extreme Pro (4TB, 2000MB/s Version goes for ~320€)
$100/GB (without price of enclosure) doesn't seem cheaper to me, compared to, for instance, the .Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 2TB NVMe M.2 for $96.. But I'm just another broke dummy, what am I missing?
ok so its very aparent you have not head of thunderbolt drives as these are far faster externale setups then any 3.2 usb c drive is so yes your wasting your money on all the nvme drives your putting into 3.2 usb cases and your a mac user and should know this stuff already so why are you wasting your money on junk slow drives when you can have the power of thunderbolt drives that you can also build your self and hit speeds of 2700+ MB/s also 40 MB/s drives cost as little as 120.00 cnd dollars for the case and the ideal drive to put in it is express 4.0 7kx6k NVMe which gets you to the 2700+ i have tested 3500x3000 nvme drives express 4 and they run to slow in the thunder bolt case so the 7000x6000 is what you need to get 2700+ x 2700+ speeds , again if you tested this your self you would know this and also you would not be using 3.2 drive cases with nvme at all and there are the side affects to 3.2 that your for saure not aware of either but youll learn in time iam sure..
Both the Samsung Ts and Sandisk extremes are made of nvme drives themselves 😂 a tiny bit of change is physical dimensions, this is super amateurish to recommend something jus becoz it is cheap sir Samsung drives like the 900 series peak up to 4gbps r/w(last I checked) and there is no external enclosure in the market to support those speeds. My extreme pros on paper support 2gbps(dual channel usb-c) which most laptops don’t support resulting in a 1gbps max speed
Yeah, make sure you check large data transfers, before you claim anything. I used to be a big Crucial fan, but the P5 plus sticks that I have just overheat like crazy, unless I run them in at least something like an Asus TUF enclosure. And that should be ridiculously overkill, since it's 146 g of metal heat sink. That's more heatsink than anything Crucial sells. So yeah, don't try to use these for backups. Try transferring like 700 gb, and see what happens. Most likely, it's going to get so hot, it's either going to dismount, or just fail. I don't know about the Samsung sticks, but that's common with all of them.
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Yup, some comments also raised some good points about IOPS and cache, etc.
I also have one external WD Black external but looking at the enclosure in this video and many out there, content creators won't get too far with it because the temperature goes over 50-60 degrees. This is why I have one with a heatsink enclosure provided with WD black. I also modified my own enclosure so it is more portable.
Great for those who need it for 10-15 minutes, but not the heavy content creators who plan on using it with big data or over 1TB and longer duration 1-2 hours.
You could get away with it for longer depending on usage but as expensive as 5TB are these days, not worth the risk on the sacrifice with durability or resillence. Nevertheless, great for a compact, portable approach and even more sturdy than carrying around a hard drive or bigger dimension formats like ssd.
On production, SSD has been the way to go and even utilising the cloud streaming storage. instead not the cheapest nor faster approach but versatile.
Acasis has new SSD enclosure which has small inbuilt fan and helps to dissipate the heat faster and keep the drive cooler.
Thank you very much, & I appreciate your knowledge! :)
Hey thank you soo much for the super thanks! That's honestly so kind of you! Really happy the video was helpful for you! :D
Just want to say this was a really well presented video, you gave us all the info and made it clear what you did and didn't understand and explained things without giving any incorrect info
Thanks so much, glad you liked it!
@@NickKendall Thank you for useful details!
I purchased in October 2022 a new laptop, ThinkPad P16s and purchased separately and installed the newest Samsung 990 PRO, 2Tb which I am very happy with. The external storages I have are still SATA, HDD and old SSD, but I am thinking about faster add easier to carry external drive. Is SSD good to keep all files libraries (photos, documents etc) on or it is better to have them on HDD?
Good explainer Nick and good advice on taking advatage of NVMe enclosures. The one thing I don't see discussed enough with this option is how much heat becomes an issue. Faster drives mean more heat, and that can be a problem depending on how you setup your workspace - or for me when on the road and working from a hotel bed instead of a desk :)
You're right, heat is definitely a consideration! Especially with smaller enclosures. Luckily I haven't had too many issues with overheating :) Thanks for sharing!
I have a Samsung 990 pro WITH HEATSINK, what is the best way to use as a portable external drive? Im thinking because it has the heatsink as potector it don't need a case just a small short adapter but I can's seem to find a small adapter from M.2 to USB C?
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Some factors that determines speed from enclosures. Sata speeds are slower than Pcie. Also the enclosure. USB4/Thunderbolt 40Gbps, USB3.2 Gen 2x2 20gbps, USB3.2 gen 2 10Gbps . That will be the theoretical maximum speed no matter what NVME you put into the enclosure. For 10gb enclosures, just put cheaper ssds at more than half the price of a high end card. ssds with dram performance better for sustained loads. If the ssd is 7000 MBps, you can only get that speed mounted in a motherboard with direct access to full bandwidth. Wired standards are the bottleneck.
Super super super helpful explanation. The enclosure is really the limiting factor here. Definitely need to find some cheaper TB3/4 Enclosures to use to go above that 3000mbit limit
Glad it was helpful! :)
have you found any?
Hi Nick, just wanted to say, it is a really good video ! Thanks for making it for all the folks out there. I would just like to point out that there is still one big parameter to take into account: the speed your I/O can manage. Because having a faster external disk on I/O that cannot handle much than the previous one would be useless.
Cheers
what is I/O?
Thanks for the gigabits ps vs. mb ps. explanation: That's had me confused for a while!
No worries, had me super confused as well!
I have some decent enclosures for my NVME drives. None are 40gbps but those enclosures are for those with usb4. If you don't have usb4 it is pointless to spend the extra money for the faster external drives. Im glad there are now 4t drives available that run decent speeds. Now to get an enclosure that will handle 4 of them at once for my desktop external drive. I have decided to keep my external drives for photo/video only. Saves space on my internal drive.
Great advice!
There are USB4 and Thunderbolt 3/4 enclosures that can reach up to 40Gbps. Any laptop with a TB3 port will work with it. Those enclosures are super expensive though because they they have TB controller on their board. if you stick a Gen4 NVME drive in there it will run extremely fast.
4tb Drives such as?
Good video thanks. That Norman Osborn meme was awesome😂
haha it made me laugh 😂
I exclusively run OS Sonoma off external SSD even on my new Studio Max with a limited internal HD of 512 GB. Speed is amazing when plugged to THUNDERBOLT cable and external case with 40 GB transfer speed.
i just bought a 2TB 2230 M.2 drive and really small enclosure for it. It cost me about $170USD total. With the included rubber sleeve installed the size comes out to 50mm x 48mm x 16mm. It included a short usb-c to usb-c cable but I bought a 32mm long male usb-c to male usb-c adaptor so i can use it just like a flashdrive.
Nice!!
I am about to pick my DIY ssd build, but I am looking for a greatly durable built with 4TB of storage space and charge trap technology. What would you recommend? The storage and the charge trap tech or a must within my setup atm
I have the same set up and when plugged in, it does not show up on the computer. Light turns on and it’s operational but it simply does not show the drive.
Hmm you're also using mac?
70 to 80 MB per second is slow for an HD.. thats because thats a 2.5 inch hdd and I would avoid those. Also you should NOT use those tiny enclosures for editing even with the thermal pad. It gets hot it will fail. These are great for transfering data. They are not for all day edit use. You need a unit with cooling or at least much much better airflow.
Thanks for sharing your thought! :) Interestingly I've found the opposite, when I'm editing from the drive it stays pretty cool. It's when I transfer large amounts of data to or from the drive is when it gets really hot.
@@NickKendall Thats not the point. For short burst of high activity that is fine and that is what these drives are made for. All day working while maybe NOT AS hot wears it down after a while. There is a reason that nobody who works on shows or films or any other critical production method works off drives like this.
@@mrfroopythat was my concern as well. Would recommend using the machines internal storage while working on the project then using the external NVME only for transfer ie backup
It does get hot when using a plastic enclosure, mine which is made from aluminum gets maximum 57c in heavy use
Brother ! How do we know that these Drives will work externally in a laptop 10 years Old ?
Hmm good question; It might depend on what operating system you're running and if it can support the drivers needed for the drive. Google might be able to give you more help than I can in that area.
Is it compatible with Android devices? Can I use it on my Android device with no issues
Yeah, it should be!
i have no idea what you're talking about NVME's seem to be about the same price, maybe slightly cheaper but nothing to validate this video
Jup, better buy a Portable SSD. They tend not to overheat that much. Nvme's get really hot in a enclosure like that and anre not designed for frequent use like that
The Uni is a terrible design, don't think it could get any cheaper than that. It slides in the enclosure and I highly doubt that that thermal tape makes proper contact to the case.
how do you call it a terrible design without actually knowing if the thermal tape touches or not? lol questionable opinion
@@albyxi have a similiar designed ssd enclosure and i can vouch these enclosures with slide-in case on most cases like mine (and probably this one too) the thermal pad wont make a proper contact with the outer case, and in my case it would get hot really fast with the case closed
@@luqmanfuadmuhasadz8736isn't the case getting hot what you want?
@@albyxBasic physics seeing as how it slides in with no resistance. That means the case isnt touching. A better design are the ones that close on top and you can literally feel it pushing on the thermal silicone tape
Did some testing & found out that some SSD draw more power than others ... so if you are the kind of person that wants to use SSDs to transfer files from & to Mobile Gear like phones or Tablets/iPads (iOS or Android) or even Prof. Cameras, you may want to avoid the Samsong Pro lineup and go for SSDs that use less power like the Corsair MP600 Core XT or similer (not the MP 600 PRO ... the Core XT)...
Exactly.. I am using it mainly for storage and I operate off an android ecosystem.. so I got an ssd that wasn't getting powered by my tab and phone.. does anyone know upto what power consumption can a phone handle
Please can help me with the link to get the Nvme Drive
Which monitor are you using ?
Have does the thermal pad make contact with the ssd and the enclosure if you can just slide the top on and off ? You forget to clarify the NVMI vs SATA (they boat are m.2 and can be confusing) and there is no reason to by the fastest gen4 NVMI if you are trying to push the data true a USB2 port. This is not a technical review I would suggest to recommend other more technical reviews from other youtubers as well. It's fine to upload your experience, but maybe others will buy what you suggest and they will get worst speeds than a Samsung t5.
great video, you got a sub!
can I use these inclosures and NVMe's to run linux os on daily?
I am looking for something fast that can handle daily use consistently like an Os thanks
Thanks for the sub! Can't say I have a lot experience with running other OSes so I'm probably not the best person to ask but I think you can!
Does this work on ipad pro m2? Hope you can reply
Any video about cheaper hdd for longterm storage?
Not really but I can add it to the list! :)
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And then there’s Gibibits and Gibibytes! (And kibibytes, mibibytes, etc). The ‘ibi’ means that instead of each level going up by powers of 10, it goes up by powers of 2. So a megabyte is 1000 kilobytes or 1000^2 bytes. A mibibyte is 1024 kibibytes, or 1024^2 bytes. So just remember that KiB, MiB, GiB are larger (but not by an order of magnitude) than KB, MB, and GB.
Thanks for the info. You've got a new sub.
Thanks for the sub! :)
40gbps nvme enclosures are super fast but they usually have fans and become like tiny jet engines when you're accessing the drive a lot.
Thank you for the great video … so helpful!!
Glad it was helpful! :)
If you run a NVMe drive at 20% of it's speed capacity won't it be less prone to over heat?
Good point!!
But then why not just use a docked hhd?
Wow I never quite understood the difference between bits bytes lol thanks
Haha same here until I made this video, glad I could help!
What camera do you use?
This was filmed on a Sony A6600 :)
would this be a suitable for backing up my entire PC? I need something to transfer it onto another Laptop. (windows)
Cheers.
As far as I know NVME drives aren't considered as reliable long term so I'm not sure it'd be the best for backing up valuable data.
@@NickKendall thank you bud
@@NickKendall what are suitable?
Cool, but it only supports up to 10 Gbps. Could we get an enclosure that could yield speeds closer to 40 Gbps?
Yeah, you can definitely get enclosures that do closer to 40 Gbps! They just tend to be more expensive.
Can be able to get one of these and be able to transfer 512gb worth of pics from my iPhone to the ssd and what would you say the transfer speed be like. I’m looking into gettin a tuf enclosure and a crucial p4 4tb nvme.
Very likely you'll be limited by the USB port itself and how much it can transfer at once.
bits, Bytes; cents, Dollars; little, Big; little b, Big B; little bit or Big Bite.
x10 rule for sake of ease.
-ISP speeds look faster using more numbers, so they mess up the consistent Byte measurement, using bits likes 200 Mbps (mega bits per second, ~20 MBps (mega Bytes per second)).
-Size is usually Bytes rather than bits, but ISPs like to looks 'faster'.
-Keep it easy, just use bits and x10 if you see Bytes.
-Yes, technically 8 bits = 1 Byte (4 bits is a nibble).
Nvme enclosures slow down on large transfers and when dealing with non sequential writes. I.e. lots of small files. 40gbs is the way to go. Don’t bother with the 10gbs enclosures. In my opinion.
I have a video planned on 40gbps enclosures so watch this space! :)
Awesome! I’m still in shock at how fast they actually are. I built a 4tb for my new Mac Studio. Great video production and script btw.
nice keyboard nick. what keyboard is that? thanks.
The Logitech MX Master Keys for Mac :)
I currently store my file libraries on an external HDD. I am interested in transitioning to an external NVMe drive. However, one issue with SSDs is that when copying a large amount of files to another drive, initially, the speed is high, but it later decreases significantly, falling below that of an HDD, which maintains a consistent speed.
Have you had a similar experience? Can you transfer all files from one SSD to another with the same high-speed performance throughout the process?
By the way, I have the same SSD on my laptop :)
Well, it depends on the SSD you chose, before buying you need to check for its SLC caching. For example, WD SN570 which has SLC caching 13GB which means, you'll get consistent speed of around 3500MB/s (As per the Read/write speed) till the 13GB then after it'll decreases to around SATA speed, which is usually around 450MB/s. If there is another SSD for example Samsung 970 Evo Plus, then you'll get consistent speed till 115 GB then it'll decrease to SATA speed. Every SSDs has their own SLC caching. before buying always look for SLC caching if your priority is to transfer heavy files every now and then.
@@darshanpatel789 Thanks! So, the bigger is SLC cache, the better?
@b.c.2177 Yes, but not totally it's only a single factor among many that gives an edge to become better. Overall, SSDs are chosen according to the needs. For example, if you're a content creator, then you'll need more SLC caching as you'll transfer more and large files more frequently than normal users. If you're gamer, then you'll go for better performance where you'll look for Random Read/Write speed. Also, some other factors we look for are having DRAM, TLC NAND Flash memory. These all things together make SSD better. One more thing to note is that usually, the brand does market with Sequential Read/Write speed, which is written on their boxes ,like 3500/3200 Mbps, 4050/3900 Mbps, etc, these helps when transferring data it's the speed we get initially until SLC caching gets full. But for performance, we look for random read/write speed. Which is written as 450,000 IOPS/560,000 IOPS or 450K IOPS/560K IOPS, etc.
@@darshanpatel789 That is so helpful. I think I'm getting it.
NVME drives for use as external drives need also enough IOPS and cache. If not as far as the cache will be full, the transfer rates will drop down to classic Hard Drive speeds. It depends of how much data you plan to move. Expensive drives like the Samsung and WD Black are mostly good, but this is a issue with cheaper ones.
What about Crucial ssds?
thunderbolt 4 enclosure will wake that 990 right up. should see 2500-3000 r/w
This drives run so hot... how can I keep them cooler?
Has anyone ever made a RAID 0 drive with 2 or 4 SSD modules? If so, did it get speeds closer to the 40 Gbps that Thunderbolt 4 promises?
Yes, for example Sabrent has its own enclosure for 2 x M.2 and they can be set in raid as well. The thing I don't like about it is, it comes with its own power brick that is almost bigger than the enclosure itself. Plus the cables. So it kinda defeats the portability.
2 Esdras 7:75
I answered and said, "If I have found favor in thy sight, O Lord, show this also to thy servant: whether after death, as soon as every one of us yields up his soul, we shall be kept in rest until those times come when thou wilt renew the creation, or whether we shall be tormented at once?" 76 He answered me and said, "I will show you that also, but do not be associated with those who have shown scorn, nor number yourself among those who are tormented. 77 For you have a treasure of works laid up with the Most High; but it will not be shown to you until the last times.
78 Now, concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone forth from the Most High that a man shall die, as the spirit leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of the Most High. 79 And if it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not kept the way of the Most High, and who have despised his law, and who have hated those who fear the Most High -- 80 such spirits shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, ever grieving and sad, in seven ways.
81 The first way, because they have scorned the law of the Most High. 82 The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance that they may live. 83 The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of the Most High. 84 The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days. 85 The fifth way, they shall see how the habitations of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet. 86 The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will pass over into torments. 87 The seventh way, which is worse than all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in confusion and be consumed with shame, and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of the Most High before whom they sinned while they were alive, and before whom they are to be judged in the last times.
88 "Now this is the order of those who have kept the ways of the Most High, when they shall be separated from their mortal body. 89 During the time that they lived in it, they laboriously served the Most High, and withstood danger every hour, that they might keep the law of the Lawgiver perfectly. 90 Therefore this is the teaching concerning them: 91 First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders.
92 The first order, because they have striven with great effort to overcome the evil thought which was formed with them, that it might not lead them astray from life into death. 93 The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the unrighteous wander, and the punishment that awaits them. 94 The third order, they see the witness which he who formed them bears concerning them, that while they were alive they kept the law which was given them in trust. 95 The fourth order, they understand the rest which they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory which awaits them in the last days. 96 The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped what is corruptible, and shall inherit what is to come;
and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty which they are to receive and enjoy in immortality. 97 The sixth order, when it is shown to them how their face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on. 98 The seventh order, which is greater than all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion, and shall be glad without fear, for they hasten to behold the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified.
99 This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the aforesaid are the ways of torment which those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter." 100 I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?" 101 He said to me, "They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterwards they shall be gathered in their habitations."
102 I answered and said, "If I have found favor in thy sight, show further to me, thy servant, whether on the day of judgment the righteous will be able to intercede for the unrighteous or to entreat the Most High for them, 103 fathers for sons or sons for parents, brothers for brothers, relatives for their kinsmen, or friends for those who are most dear." 104 He answered me and said, "Since you have found favor in my sight, I will show you this also. The day of judgment is decisive and displays to all the seal of truth. Just as now a father does not send his son, or a son his father, or a master his servant, or a friend his dearest friend, to be ill or sleep or eat or be healed in his stead, 105 so no one shall ever pray for another on that day, neither shall any one lay a burden on another; for then every one shall bear his own righteousness and unrighteousness." .....2 Esdras 7:75
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I don't like I can't SAVE your AWESOME video because you set it to child viewing.
If an enclosure promise 10gbps and my ssd gives 7gbps. Will using enclosure reduce my speed
Yeah, it will always be a bit slower than maximum speeds. You should get 6-6.5gbps though, so close!
Nick Kendall...Thanks Much !.......
My pleasure Asan! :)
Try Owc Envoy Pro FX 1760Mb/s
Acasis got far better enclosure. I got it for myself with transcend 2TB. This beast could reach almost 3 gb/s. Insane
So good!
SSD drive? Solid state drive drive?
Is this your second name .
If kandell Jenner married u she became Kendall Kendall 😂😂😂
Also make sure you get a proper cable that has high transfer speeds
Great advice!
Not only the right cable but make sure you use the right port. For example, Thunderbolt V USB 3.2 gen 2 which is 10 Gigabits ps @@NickKendall
That is not the limitation of the drive or the enclosure. USB is the limiting factor, if you get a Thunderbolt enclosure, your bandwidth goes up to 40 gigabits. 10 gigabit is the bandwidth of USB 3 Gen 2 and USB 3 Gen 1 is limited to 5 gigabits a second. Also, not all prebuilt external SSDs are just a hiked-up price. Some offer IP rating, drop resistance rating and even thunderbolt certification which adds cost. Are they reasonable and fair? that is more of a subjective question and my personal answer is a no but then again I do not make a living out of it.
also 1 byte = 8 bits.
Just for creators ?
Anyone who needs fast external storage :)
Thousands separator "," Inglish.
5:08 - 1 Byte = 8 bit. | 1 bit = 0.125 Byte
7,500 MB/s x 8 = 60Gb/s
7,500 MB/s = 7.5GB/s
USB 3.1 Spead = 10Gb - 60Gb = -50Gb lost.
Thousands separator "." metric system.
5:08 - 1 Byte = 8 bit. | 1 bit = 0.125 Byte
7.500 MB/s x 8 = 60Gb/s
7.500 MB/s = 7,5GB/s
USB 3.1 Spead = 10Gb - 60Gb = -50Gb lost.
1 byte = 8 bit
I'm looking to replace my 2tb ORICO M.2 Enclosure build with a Samsung 980 Pro nvme with a 4tb option. The nvme best priced are the crucial P3 and
WD BLACK SN850X 4TB housed in a thunderbolt enclosure, that's supports that size. My shortlist is a newer orico enclosure or one by ocasis or yottomaster. Still researching what to buy as cost is approaching £500
i have just bought the crutial p3 plus 4tb and put it in the asus tuff gaming A1 enclosure thats only rated to 2tb drives but plenty people have but the 4tb in it and it works perfect plus its the only enclosure i found to be ip68 rated whole setup only cost me £187
Great video, unfortunately not ‚true‘ anymore! I have several SanDisk extreme external ssd‘s (1x 1TB, 2x2TB, 1x 4TB) and they give around the same read / write speed- but, and here’s the clue now - significantly cheaper. The 4TB version costs ~235€ (good deal!) vs. Samsung nvme ssd 4TB ~329€ + enclosure ~35€ (~364€) for that you‘ll get a 4TB + a 2TB SanDisk Extreme SSD!
Now speed difference you might think. There is none. You can get a better enclosure that actually supports faster transfer rates though, which will boost the speed up to 2-2.500 MB/s - but again, ~329€ (4TB Samsung nvme) + enclosure (that supports the speed! ~150€) = 479€
The SanDisk Extreme Pro (4TB, 2000MB/s Version goes for ~320€)
$100/GB (without price of enclosure) doesn't seem cheaper to me, compared to, for instance, the .Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 2TB NVMe M.2 for $96.. But I'm just another broke dummy, what am I missing?
just start saying 1 byte == 8 bits. Who explains this by saying 1Gbps is 125 MBps?
ok so its very aparent you have not head of thunderbolt drives as these are far faster externale setups then any 3.2 usb c drive is so yes your wasting your money on all the nvme drives your putting into 3.2 usb cases and your a mac user and should know this stuff already so why are you wasting your money on junk slow drives when you can have the power of thunderbolt drives that you can also build your self and hit speeds of 2700+ MB/s also 40 MB/s drives cost as little as 120.00 cnd dollars for the case and the ideal drive to put in it is express 4.0 7kx6k NVMe which gets you to the 2700+ i have tested 3500x3000 nvme drives express 4 and they run to slow in the thunder bolt case so the 7000x6000 is what you need to get 2700+ x 2700+ speeds , again if you tested this your self you would know this and also you would not be using 3.2 drive cases with nvme at all and there are the side affects to 3.2 that your for saure not aware of either but youll learn in time iam sure..
Prefer getting a 40Gbps ones instead of 10Gbps. These will bring a dramatic difference.
Also in price
Plastic casing .. no
Slide in cover .. no
Uhhh SSD stands for solid state drive... 😈
JK great vid, thanks for the info
I knowww haha 🙊 thanks for watching!
My pc crashes when using a thunderbolt :)
10gbps ≈ 1000MBs, 20gbps ≈ 2000MBs, 40gbps ≈ 4000MBs
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SOLID STATE DRIVE
Both the Samsung Ts and Sandisk extremes are made of nvme drives themselves 😂 a tiny bit of change is physical dimensions, this is super amateurish to recommend something jus becoz it is cheap sir
Samsung drives like the 900 series peak up to 4gbps r/w(last I checked) and there is no external enclosure in the market to support those speeds. My extreme pros on paper support 2gbps(dual channel usb-c) which most laptops don’t support resulting in a 1gbps max speed
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IMHO its garbage now, slow and expensive.
Yeah, make sure you check large data transfers, before you claim anything. I used to be a big Crucial fan, but the P5 plus sticks that I have just overheat like crazy, unless I run them in at least something like an Asus TUF enclosure. And that should be ridiculously overkill, since it's 146 g of metal heat sink. That's more heatsink than anything Crucial sells. So yeah, don't try to use these for backups. Try transferring like 700 gb, and see what happens. Most likely, it's going to get so hot, it's either going to dismount, or just fail. I don't know about the Samsung sticks, but that's common with all of them.