This is most likely respooled Ultramax 800, which I have shot in the past. Great to see that FlicFilm has gotten a hold of this, and we can now buy it without having to destroy point and shoot cameras to use it.
@@brooklynfilmcamera Kodak does still make Ultramax 800. They just sell it in their Kodak Max underwater cameras. The film canister has a white, non-descript label that says “Kodak 800”. They obviously aren’t putting Portra 800 in those cameras that are still being made, and they are not going to use non-Kodak film stocks for their Max cameras, so Ultramax 800 is the only answer. If you doubt this information then buy a Kodak Max camera and take out the film.
@@brooklynfilmcameraKodak still makes the Kodak Max, which is an underwater disposable camera loaded with an ISO 800 film, and it for sure ain’t Portra. Unless they discontinued today, it is still in production. Kodak may have stopped selling Ultramax 800 in film canisters, but that doesn’t mean they ceased producing it. If you’re still skeptical, buy a Kodak Max and do a test comparison against Aurora 800. B&H has them readily available, so finding them in stock will not be that difficult. I’m sure that will definitively answer the question of whether Aurora 800 is rebranded Ultramax 800 or not.
@@AbdonPhirathon yeah same way that was with Fuji's underwater camera, they were loaded with Superia X-Tra 800. At least until 2021 or so. Even early 2022 I saw our Walmart selling Japan made Fujifilm underwater disposables.
Great to see new film, Ben! It is cheaper than Portra 800 by a few dollars, but about the same as Cinestill 800. Love the Bingo card! Look forward to Ferrania pasta film! Tasty! Also I dread dropping any of my cameras in 2024! 😢 I forgot you are associated with Brooklyn Camera (part owner?) Never been to Brooklyn. It’s on my Bingo card. 🔴
I love living in the area where Flic Film is from so I got this film a while ago, I just haven't had shot it yet and was waiting for video reviews. I'm in love with it, so I am definitely excited for when I actually get the opportunity to shoot.
I got some Aurora in the first wave form Reformed Film Lab, who I think were the first to get it for distribution, and I gotta say I love it. You can see it in some of your tests here, but I think it has better skin tones than Portra while also the far better dynamic range than Lomo. I can also say it pushes to 1600 beautifully and really gets you more out of the midtones when you do that.
I love a side by side comparison! thank you for this video!! I'm still desperately waiting for someone to bring back 1600 speed film for my fuji natura....
Loving the comparison to the other two daylight speeds out there for 800 ISO. It’s certainly an amazing film and great to have another high speed option. Your Flic Film tour video was awesome!
The tech sheets all match. Someone theorized the Portra is higher quality tolerances. Everything else off the line that isn't that doesn't pass that quality threshold gets put into UltraMax 800. If you want to see for yourself, pick a color (not red), and go through this video comparing them. If the exposure isn't the same or very very similar, you can't compare. Sometimes portra's greens are different than the other two, sometimes they all match, etc. etc. Regarding grain and latitude, there are only a couple of shots in this video where exposure is the same. And the latitude looks the same. If you put colorplus in the mix and did a blind test, it would easily stand out. I don't feel confident judging grain off a youtube video so.
Anytime a new film stock comes out I buy at least a handful of rolls simply to support the market. Sometimes I don’t even like the stock but in this case this film look solid. Excited to load this one up
This is not a new film stock. It's respooled Portra made $2 cheaper because it doesn't have the Kodak name printed on it and their spooling and logistics are cheaper. Flic Film doesn't produce any film of their own. The only two 800 color films currently in production are Kodak 800, the disposable camera film also used by Lomo, and Portra. The only other one that used to exist in the recent past was Fuji 800, which was also only available through disposables in the end and is now thought to be discontinued after Fuji dropped all those stocks in 2021.
This is amazing. I really need to try this film if its a real 800iso film. This would be perfect for one of my more specialty cameras when used as intended: the Nikonos-V. So if this is a film has good exposure latitude, then the demanding light conditions during scuba diving might suit this film stock... The alternative would have been Ilford's 3200, but that's b&w.
I don't know why there aren't more 800 speed films. People like to take photos in dark, shady, or otherwise conditions prime for underexposure all the time. Especially handheld, when you need a higher shutter speed to make sure no camera shake is in the photo.
Liked because I agree and wish there were more high speed films. My understanding has always been that higher speed films are more complex to make compared to lower speed films which is partly why they cost more. Either way I just want more high speed Color options. Glad we have this aurora now. I hope they come out with a 120 variant as well
Because sufficiently fine grain for high speeds is hard to produce and expensive. Most people won't buy an 800 color film if all you see is grain. Edit: By the way, I'm confused. It is known that Lomo 800 is just Kodak's disposable film. That's why it looks so bad. The Aurora is so different, it can't be the same thing. And it can't be an actually new film, either. Because those don't exist and they would have made a BIG deal about creating one. It's way too high quality for that. So it must be from Kodak. Which makes me wonder if it's actually just respooled Portra 800. Edit 2: Portra 800 is $18 at B&H, Aurora 800 is $16. So there's almost no difference. Which makes it pretty clear that it's actually Portra 800 without the Kodak tax. And it shows that the lab did a really bad job scanning because those scans look way too different.
Were all of the SLRs and 50mm lenses used in the test the same brand/version? Lens coating have a pretty noticeable effect on colour, and exposure meters read differently too, so that could influence the results a lot?
is it possible that the camera you shot the lomo800 in has a problem wit shutter capping? and that is why the lomo 800 looks so diffrent to the portra and aurora?
Nice review but would disagree with you . Each film stock featured was good and bad depending on the situation. So they are all good films in my opinion.
@@brooklynfilmcamera Your exposure testing was um, horrible. All over the place. We know no one is producing c41 color of this nature besides kodak, we know it is not portra 800, so.... what does that leave us? I think you should reconsider your doubts and look elsewhere towards your "testing".
IMHO (very H), the true test of film is in low or artificial light/night with a cheap camera. To me, these high quality photos are indistinguishable from an ok quality DSLR unless you specifically told me they were film
This is most likely respooled Ultramax 800, which I have shot in the past. Great to see that FlicFilm has gotten a hold of this, and we can now buy it without having to destroy point and shoot cameras to use it.
Ultramax 800 is no longer produced so unless Kodak resurrected it and somehow made a wholesale agreement with Flic, we doubt it could be the case.
@@brooklynfilmcamera what stock is in Kodak disposables?
@@brooklynfilmcamera Kodak does still make Ultramax 800. They just sell it in their Kodak Max underwater cameras. The film canister has a white, non-descript label that says “Kodak 800”. They obviously aren’t putting Portra 800 in those cameras that are still being made, and they are not going to use non-Kodak film stocks for their Max cameras, so Ultramax 800 is the only answer. If you doubt this information then buy a Kodak Max camera and take out the film.
@@brooklynfilmcameraKodak still makes the Kodak Max, which is an underwater disposable camera loaded with an ISO 800 film, and it for sure ain’t Portra. Unless they discontinued today, it is still in production.
Kodak may have stopped selling Ultramax 800 in film canisters, but that doesn’t mean they ceased producing it. If you’re still skeptical, buy a Kodak Max and do a test comparison against Aurora 800. B&H has them readily available, so finding them in stock will not be that difficult. I’m sure that will definitively answer the question of whether Aurora 800 is rebranded Ultramax 800 or not.
@@AbdonPhirathon yeah same way that was with Fuji's underwater camera, they were loaded with Superia X-Tra 800. At least until 2021 or so. Even early 2022 I saw our Walmart selling Japan made Fujifilm underwater disposables.
Great to see new film, Ben! It is cheaper than Portra 800 by a few dollars, but about the same as Cinestill 800. Love the Bingo card! Look forward to Ferrania pasta film! Tasty! Also I dread dropping any of my cameras in 2024! 😢 I forgot you are associated with Brooklyn Camera (part owner?) Never been to Brooklyn. It’s on my Bingo card. 🔴
SUPER impressive! Definitely gonna pick up some rolls!!
I love living in the area where Flic Film is from so I got this film a while ago, I just haven't had shot it yet and was waiting for video reviews. I'm in love with it, so I am definitely excited for when I actually get the opportunity to shoot.
Lucky you! Right near the mothership!
Wow, thanks for a comparison! Will definitely be picking this up to try out.
You're very welcome! We're glad it was helpful.
I got some Aurora in the first wave form Reformed Film Lab, who I think were the first to get it for distribution, and I gotta say I love it. You can see it in some of your tests here, but I think it has better skin tones than Portra while also the far better dynamic range than Lomo. I can also say it pushes to 1600 beautifully and really gets you more out of the midtones when you do that.
Great comparison! Really nice shots. Insightful stuff 👏
I love a side by side comparison! thank you for this video!! I'm still desperately waiting for someone to bring back 1600 speed film for my fuji natura....
hahahaha I spit out my drink when you said $90 !! haha good one! ;)
Loving the comparison to the other two daylight speeds out there for 800 ISO. It’s certainly an amazing film and great to have another high speed option.
Your Flic Film tour video was awesome!
Thank you!!
The tech sheets all match. Someone theorized the Portra is higher quality tolerances. Everything else off the line that isn't that doesn't pass that quality threshold gets put into UltraMax 800.
If you want to see for yourself, pick a color (not red), and go through this video comparing them. If the exposure isn't the same or very very similar, you can't compare. Sometimes portra's greens are different than the other two, sometimes they all match, etc. etc.
Regarding grain and latitude, there are only a couple of shots in this video where exposure is the same. And the latitude looks the same. If you put colorplus in the mix and did a blind test, it would easily stand out. I don't feel confident judging grain off a youtube video so.
Great side by side review!
loving what this looks like so far, I hope they start producing it in 120 rolls
Anytime a new film stock comes out I buy at least a handful of rolls simply to support the market. Sometimes I don’t even like the stock but in this case this film look solid. Excited to load this one up
Same here. And if it's something you don't want to shoot, you can always give it to a newbie to practice with.
This is not a new film stock. It's respooled Portra made $2 cheaper because it doesn't have the Kodak name printed on it and their spooling and logistics are cheaper. Flic Film doesn't produce any film of their own. The only two 800 color films currently in production are Kodak 800, the disposable camera film also used by Lomo, and Portra. The only other one that used to exist in the recent past was Fuji 800, which was also only available through disposables in the end and is now thought to be discontinued after Fuji dropped all those stocks in 2021.
This is amazing. I really need to try this film if its a real 800iso film. This would be perfect for one of my more specialty cameras when used as intended: the Nikonos-V. So if this is a film has good exposure latitude, then the demanding light conditions during scuba diving might suit this film stock... The alternative would have been Ilford's 3200, but that's b&w.
This film would work beautifully in a Nikonos. Fast film underwater is what you need and this delivers that plus a lot of exposure latitude. 🐟
I don't know why there aren't more 800 speed films. People like to take photos in dark, shady, or otherwise conditions prime for underexposure all the time. Especially handheld, when you need a higher shutter speed to make sure no camera shake is in the photo.
Liked because I agree and wish there were more high speed films. My understanding has always been that higher speed films are more complex to make compared to lower speed films which is partly why they cost more. Either way I just want more high speed Color options. Glad we have this aurora now. I hope they come out with a 120 variant as well
Natura 1600 is what we really need.
But I'd also love to see some sub 100 ISO color films and some C-41 tungsten balanced films as well.
Because sufficiently fine grain for high speeds is hard to produce and expensive. Most people won't buy an 800 color film if all you see is grain.
Edit: By the way, I'm confused. It is known that Lomo 800 is just Kodak's disposable film. That's why it looks so bad. The Aurora is so different, it can't be the same thing. And it can't be an actually new film, either. Because those don't exist and they would have made a BIG deal about creating one. It's way too high quality for that. So it must be from Kodak. Which makes me wonder if it's actually just respooled Portra 800.
Edit 2: Portra 800 is $18 at B&H, Aurora 800 is $16. So there's almost no difference. Which makes it pretty clear that it's actually Portra 800 without the Kodak tax. And it shows that the lab did a really bad job scanning because those scans look way too different.
Another 800 speed color film is Reflx Lab too. Super on point & more affordable. But i really fux wid Aurora, super balanced.
I'd really like to see a close-up of the sprockets as it could indicate whether it's a cine or still photo film.
It is for sure *not* a repurposed cinema film or a manipulated alternative film stock. Flic was sure to state this to us clearly.
I pause a video to read a film photo bingo card 😂😂😂😂
The ultimate easter egg!
I would love to see you do something on CampSnap
wonder how it compares to (rip) fujifilm800, but man that was really close showdown between portra at a better bang for the buck!
Huh this is actually good ! Wasn’t impressed but other Flic films but this one looks better
had to pause and read your 2024 bingo 😆
Heheheh : )
Were all of the SLRs and 50mm lenses used in the test the same brand/version? Lens coating have a pretty noticeable effect on colour, and exposure meters read differently too, so that could influence the results a lot?
is it possible that the camera you shot the lomo800 in has a problem wit shutter capping? and that is why the lomo 800 looks so diffrent to the portra and aurora?
Yeah, you got me. But that's a pretty funny bingo card.
:P
Do you recommend scanning it on the Frontier or Noritsu? Does it matter?
BFC is BFB!
Still waiting for the Polaroid CarPlay app
😂
Nice review but would disagree with you . Each film stock featured was good and bad depending on the situation. So they are all good films in my opinion.
It's $16 on B&H so not exactly cheaper. It's gotta be responded kodak gold/ultramax 800 that kodak makes only for its disposables.
They’ve been talking about how this is 800 Max. Same as the Funsavers
Doubtful based on our testing. The grain is so fine...
@@brooklynfilmcamera Your exposure testing was um, horrible. All over the place. We know no one is producing c41 color of this nature besides kodak, we know it is not portra 800, so.... what does that leave us? I think you should reconsider your doubts and look elsewhere towards your "testing".
Oh great more fim stock to stick in the fridge
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Aroura 800 film looked better to me than both Porta and lomo
Bad experiences with Flic Film quality/customer service in the past
can't wait for attic darkroom to destroy this film
Portra 800 is $16
IMHO (very H), the true test of film is in low or artificial light/night with a cheap camera. To me, these high quality photos are indistinguishable from an ok quality DSLR unless you specifically told me they were film
Grab a roll and give it a shot! And send us results if so? Would be keen to see. Agreed that this would be good to look at.
$16, not $15.
It’s the same fuckin price