The Tragic Decline of Pirates of The Caribbean - A Franchise Retrospective
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- This is a video essay / retrospective on the entire Pirates of The Caribbean franchise, spanning from Curse of The Black Pearl (2003) all the way to Dead Men Tell No Tale (2017). Generally speaking, this is a beloved franchise, though there seems to be great divide on Gore Verbinski's second and third films Dead Man's Chest (2006) and At World's End (2007). No movie is without its problems but I believe those first three movies are all great. In this video, I make my case for the Pirates Trilogy, acknowledge their faults, and continue to discuss the cracks that began to surface later in the franchise, and how those cracks eventually went on to destroy the franchise, leaving it irreparable in my eyes.
Time Stamps:
0:00 Introduction
01:04 Chapter One: The Original Trilogy
08:12 Chapter Two: Something Stranger
12:03 Chapter Three: A Dreadful Tale
13:13 Jack Sparrow
19:18 Unlikable Protagonists
22:41 Inconsistencies and Errors
27:15 Conclusion
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Pirates of the Caribbean should have remained a trilogy, that's a fact
From the perspective of an audience member, yes absolutely it should have remained a trilogy.
But from the perspective of Disney, you'd be crazy to stop at just a trilogy so I can't fault them.
They problem is that they just didn't maintain the same high quality of production.
They didn't understand why people loved this pirate world, so they ended up hiring people who also had no idea why people loved it.
Once Verbinski left, it was game over. I don't know how they couldn't find someone else to take over.
There must have been plenty of solid directors throwing pitches at them.
That goes for almost every franchise. There are exceptions but usually:
Indiana Jones 1,2,3 are great, 4 and 5 are Shit.
Underworld 1,2,3 are great, 4 and 5 are shit.
Lord Of The Rings 1,2,3 are great, The Hobbit 1,2,3 are shit
Star Wars 1,2,3 are great, prequels 1,2,3 are shit.
Hmmm, a bit of a pattern seems to be emerging here🤔
They always try to upstage their high point, once you've sailed to the end of the world and beyond, defeated the litteral sea devil during a maelstrom. Who cares about blackbeard after Davy Jones? Who cares about the fountain of youth? Who cares about mermaids? Who cares about a finale set piece where the Black Pearl is sailing the edge of a divide in the sea? Why should Jack be afraid of the ghost of some spanish dougebag, when he duelled the devil himself?
It's over! Will and Elizabeth become part of the Flying Dutchman's mythology, Barbossa is the captain of the Black Pearl once again. And Jack although he may look like he's lost everything, get's the last laugh, when all he needs in his world is the map, his compas, and a dinghy, then the Black Pearl in Beckett's world. The end.
@@Cynic-Retired Yeah, I would agree there is a pattern in most franchises. I think its because when a studio tries to hire people, they try get them to sign on for multiple movies. It seems pretty typical for directors to get signed on to do a trilogy so I'm assuming that was the case with Gore Verbinski. Problem is, a lot of the crew probably agree to sign on just as long as the director signs on, so by the time the director leaves, you've also got an entirely new creative team for the most part who aren't familiar with the franchise. There certainly are exceptions, as you alluded to, like the Harry Potter films, which are relatively consistent in quality with some being better and some being worse, but the creative team on those 7 movies were committed to completing the story for the most part. It probably helped having the author of the books supervising the whole thing too. She would have kept everything in line. Pirates didn't have someone like that and it left them vulnerable. Same for Fast and Furious. A director makes a good movie and then they have no one left to manage the franchise and make sure there's consistency. Imagine your franchise being in the hands of Vin Diesel.
@@Cynic-Retired how dare you call the prequels shit if you dont like the prequels you dont like star wars
@@Cynic-Retiredumm prequels are good sir you sound bitter
I hate how every studio in the world will tear up the graves of dead franchises and tarnish their legacy all for some extra cash.
Yeah it's crazy. It's gotten so much worse because of streaming platforms like Disney+.
These companies are just ravenous for popular IP to beef up their streaming service.
It's the equivalent of sticking your hand down the side of a couch for a few loose coins.
@@TableCreedI want pirates of the caribbean 6.
Huh, it's like there's a driving force to increace profits ad infinitum...
You say that about a series where greedy pirates defile graves for promised treasure
@@kaydgaming Its one thing for fictional pirates to do it, and an entirely different thing when _real life people_ do it.
Davy Jones: "My heart was broken by the woman I loved and, in my bitterness, I imprisoned her. In my guilt I carved out my own heart and buried it in a chest, and I soon became a cruel monster feared by all, lashing out at the world to fill the hole in chest."
Salazar: "J A C K S P A R R A H."
Salazar is like a younger cousin who didn't take losing Monopoly too well. Just a sore loser having a meltdown.
He blames Jack Sparrow for his own stupid decisions.
Honestly the fourth movie was relatively harmless since I mostly consider it an “epilogue” movie now that Jack doesn’t have to worry about his debt with Davy Jones anymore and can just do what he wants.
But as was pointed out in this well-constructed video, Dead Men Tell No Tales decided to pull a “happy ending override” for the original cast and retcon for the sake of it.
Yeah, I thought I'd be more upset with the fourth movie when I rewatched it but I wasn't too offended by it. It just exists. It's not awful, but it's not good. It's kind of like how I feel about Jurassic Park 3. It just exists. Nothing super noteworthy about it. You could have salvaged the franchise from Pirates 4, but now there's just too much decay as a result of Pirates 5. No saving that at this point.
Agreed. Also in DMTNT they killed off Barbosa for real and made him into a deadbeat dad for a dramatic backstory. Fuck that shite!
I find dead men tell no tales at least much better than on stranger tides
i agree! i adored it for the mermaids mostly, and consider it a holiday spin-off with a few notable characters. like the old star wars tv specials with chewbacca and the ewoks. in that way it stands on its own rather than aggravating the lore and story of the trilogy itself.
Honestly instead of a sequel/reboot, I'd rather have a prequel directed by Verbinski based on Calypso and Davy Jones and his downfall, also another major issue with DMTNT is the lighting, the original trilogy felt had this dark and mystical atmosphere, DMTNT feels glossy and disneyfied
Respect your opinion but I'm generally not too fond of prequels. I don't think you can really make a 'four-quadrant' appeal to everyone blockbuster movie about Davey Jones and Calypso. That kind of story would only appeal to a certain niche of people and to be honest, I'd rather fill in the blanks myself. They did a good job giving us the rundown in Pirates 2 and 3. Would be down for Verbinski to return though. Imagine if they reboot and he directs. If he made a fantastic movie completely detached from the world he already created, that would be insanely impressive.
@@TableCreed I agree, especially over a decade after AWE it wouldn't be the most financial decision, but I'd rather see it than Pirates 6 or a straight up reboot, or a Verbinski directed PoTC film
@@TableCreed I honestly wished blackbeard had more done with his character
Calypso sucked and was annoying
Gore Verbinski and his crew turned a Disney ride with almost no real story. Into cinematic gold and created something almost out of nothing. Sadly Disney nowadays is turning this Pirate Treasure. Back to a ride with almost no real story. At least the theme park ride was fun to look at. Plus you didn’t have to think about a plot or characters really.
It's honestly astonishing what Gore Verbisnki accomplished back then, and to be fair, Disney deserves some credit for enabling him to do so.
They tried to turn Jungle Cruise into a movie but that didn't work. Pirates of The Caribbean had a Big Bang where it exploded and became this vast open world with endless possibilities. You believed in the world. You could nearly feel the spray of the ocean hitting your skin. Crazy how they're kind of reverting. I think a reboot is inevitable but I think they are in serious trouble.
Imagine that Pirates 3 was hated on. What the hell was wrong with people to hate it
Pirates 2 as well. I just can't understand it.
@@TableCreed
Dear TableCreed,
I can tell you what my experience with them was, though other people, who disliked them, might felt differently.
So I was 11 when Pirates 1 came out. I loved it so much I watched it every day for a while. I've seen it about 200 times within a year. I knew every piece of dialogue by heart. Me and my friends would quote it at school all the time. That's how passionately I loved it. So when the sequels came out, I hated them with equal passion after Pirates 3 ruined everything. Not the characters but storywise. I knew I would never be able to rewatch the first film, and I don't appreciate it when I'm robbed of my favourite film.
I still rewatched it years later, not remembering that I shouldn't. As expected, I couldn't enjoy it, knowing that everything that the characters achieve is ultimately in vain. What do I mean?
- they defeat Barbossa for nothing as he's resurrected later
- Will and Elizabeth get together for nothing as they will be separated forever
- Jack becomes the captain of the Black Pearl again for nothing because he'll just lose it again
- the governor and Norrington are fine, but they'll both die
- even Murtogg and Mullroy, two minor characters are promoted in the end for nothing because they'll fall into piracy anyway.
To me, these sequels did exactly what the Star Wars sequels did: ruined the ending of every single character irrepairably. Of course, the SW sequels did much worse than that, but a good story and good character development before a terrible ending is just not enough for me. I didn't like the tone of the sequels that much to begin with, I found them too dark, too serious, the jokes too sparse and forced, but I could've forgiven all of that. I remember I was actually hopeful after Dead Man's Chest, but cried for hours after At Wold's End, just like I cried for hours after both SW 7 and 8 (never watched ep9), even though I was already an adult at the time.
That being said, my opinion of these films are based on the emotions of a teenage girl (I was 14 and 15 when they came out), and it's possible I'd have a completely different view about them had I seen them as an adult for the first time. But alas I was in my mid teens, so here I am.
If you read my comment up to this point, thank you! I hope I could convey my opinion with respect, not offending those who like these films.
Have a nice day!
I didn't like it at first. Too detached and confusing (and i was an adult already at the time). After a lot of rewatches its still somewhat confusing but i quite like it.
Seriously. Pirates 3 has like the coolest ending ever
@@Manotevebaba what a baby
The deleted scene between Cutler-Beckett and Sparrow where Jack utters the legendary line “people aren’t cargo mate” is the true heart of these movies.
PEOPLE. ARENT. CARGO.
It's a good scene. Crazy that they deleted it, but maybe they just wanted to leave Jack's backstory more ambiguous for the audience.
@@TableCreed it made the cinema therapy point about him not having a moral compass sound even worse. That line was the whole basis for his moral compass and all the decisions he makes as a character.
The reason why Beckett didn’t fire the cannons is because he uses dialogue to control to get what he wants out of people.
If he used weapons, it would be out of his character. He had nothing to bargain with so he excepted his fate. 🙂
It was mostly bad writing for a visual they wanted
Id say Jack in the fourth movie was still Jack, he escaped from the King and still did clever things like swapping the chalices. But Dead Men Tell No Tales almost has no redeeming qualities, they screwed up the canon and Jack is a bufoon even after having the Pearl back. It is almost a parody.
Yeah, I said something similar to that. The characters in Pirates 4 are actually fairly well preserved. They're just not the same though.
The writing isn't strong enough to capture the true essence of the characters, particularly Jack and Barbossa. They need solid writers.
@@TableCreed I agree, and Barbossa is better written than Jack in that movie. That final scene getting the Queen Annes Revenge is epic. Also, the only thing (as a Spaniard) DMTNT is better than the fourth movie is the Spanish uniforms of that era. They are represented in OST as black, but they were white. But, ultimately, even OST had a better use of the Spaniards in terms of story. They are much more baddass in the fourth movie destroying the Fountain of youth. Its a little strange that the Gore Verbinsky Trilogy didnt create any spanish character, given that they were the ones dominating the majority of the Caribbean, along with the French.
@@jorgecas5678 Yeah, I suppose Spain was kind of glanced over in the original trilogy. They do mention "the Spanish Maine". I just think there were already enough pieces on the board for the original trilogy, and yeah that ending in Stranger Tides with Barbosa taking the Queen Anne's Revenge was great.
@TableCreed part of the problem is the removal of Will and Elizabeth, sure they're boring characters but they're characters that Jack and Barbosa bounce off of. They're the straight men/women next to the two pirates that they've built a dynamic with, bringing in stand ins like the mermaid/religious guy or Will's son/Barbosa's daughter doesn't work so neither do the remaining characters
That’s what Pixar feels like anymore. Products. Incredibles 2, Finding Dory and Toy Story 4 all felt like products. It even says “Disney presents” at the start of the films instead of “Walt Disney Pictures Presents” just feels so corporate
Same for the mcu. Same for a majority of blockbusters
It's crazy to me how well received Toy Story 4 was at the time of release. I felt like it really didn't live up to the other 3 films. It didn't have much to say. Half the movie seemed to just be about that stupid fork.
@@TableCreed and making Buzz a complete MORON! He learned he wasn’t a toy 3 movies ago but now he thinks his voice box recording is his inner voice? It’s not funny nor does it make sense. That’s why he doesn’t feel “real” to me anymore, more ai or something.
4’s ending was just a rehash of 3’s much better ending but woody saying bye instead of Andy. We don’t need a new installment so every character can say bye to the rest of the characters.
And they just threw Key & Peele in there for some reason, gave them some real creative character names Bunny and Ducky.
Yeah and “Forky” his plot went like nowhere…
@@RyanFloom I agree with all those points. I think the movie has a 100% critic score on RT. Not sure how that happened.
All of those Pixar movies are good films though. They still felt like there was plenty of passion and care put into them, despite most people not asking for them.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166as a huge fan of The Incredibles, The Incredibles 2 was more or less the same movie on the surface, but it felt like a hollow shell of the original. I don’t know how to properly explain what’s wrong with the movie, but the first one had a message, several even, that it wanted to tell(like marriage problems, celebrating mediocrity, struggling to be a superhero in a society where they are ostracised, and so on and so forth), the second one had nothing of sorts, it felt like it was made because some higher up said “what can bring us money?”.
I'm so happy were finally starting to acknowledge Pirates TRILOGY!
And I've said this before, I always saw the end of the third film as a depiction of alternate history where Pirates were never wiped out and won a revolutionary war against the British empire. And as much as I like Ian Mcshane as an actor I never liked the inclusion of Blackbeard into this world.
The first three pirate movies NEVER relied on actual historical pirates it instead used them as inspiration for their own fictional ones. Like speaking of Blackbeard, Jacoby who is the pirate from Curse of the Black Pearl with the bombs and the SMOKING BEARD is clearly based on Blackbeard. Elizabeth Swann is also probably inspired by someone like Anne Bonny or Mary Read and Barbossa's name is taken from Barbarossa ''Redbeard''.
Pintel and Ragetti mention Morgan and Bartholomew as the writers of the Pirate Code as a nice little reference. All the pirate lords are fictional but their flags we see during hoist the colors are all from real pirates, the flag of the Black Pearl is taken from Calico Jack Rackham and if you pay attention you can see that Captain Teague flies what in reality was Blackbeard's flag!
But no HISTORICAL Pirate ever showed up in the trilogy and I would think that if Blackbeard did exist in this universe he would probably be part of the Brethren Court. I get the sense that the historical pirates were almost legends to our fictional characters like their time has long passed. Historically inaccurate but this entire Universe is clearly supposed to be FICTIONAL!
Yeah, Gore Verbinski clearly established this as a fictional world but once he left, they seemed determined to gradually bridge the gap between the pirates world and our real world. I agree that Blackbeard wasn't good in Stranger Tides but I think Ian McShane could have been really great if they gave him something good to work with. I feel like he had a strong commanding presence, at least for his character's introduction. Interesting facts about the real pirate lore. I honestly don't have a problem with them incorporating real pirates into the movies, but maybe that's just because I'm not as well-versed in pirate history as you are. It probably would be best to just adapt the traits of these well-known pirates into new fictional characters though, as you said. Maybe we shouldn't be glorifying real-life pirates who probably did some pretty awful stuff.
While On Stranger Tides isn’t nearly as good as the first three, I would argue Jack Sparrow is still consistent with what we’ve seen of him. I think that’s mainly because it was the same writers. It’s in Dead Men Tell No Tales where they hired new writers who did not understand the character whatsoever.
I agree.
The only way a pirates reboot could work and not spit on the franchise would be an entirely new cast, entirely new story, and retcon the curse undone.
I agree. Erase everything, don't actively search for a director, but wait for someone to come knocking at the offices.
I genuinely always forget that there are more Pirates movies than the trilogy.
Ignorance is bliss. Your brain is subconsciously protecting itself.
I do too! I remember stranger tides because I thought Blackbeard being in it was cool, but the 5th one never crosses my mind until I see a film clip or it’s mentioned in a video🤣
Honestly, I feel like the fan base overhyped jack sparrow as some fearless being! And because of that, they set themselves up for disappointment. Jack sparrow was originally supposed to be this pirate that no one respected because it’s part of his illusion. He wants you to think he’s dumb so he can get the win on you.
That’s what the fans took way too literally. Jack never implied that he’s a god or does anything differently. He’s mentioned several times that he needs a crew a ship and food and Rum! He’s human. He has emotions like everyone else! Some people say it’s out of character for Jack to fear Davy Jones.
But why? 😂 We’ve seen people be brave and tried to stab Davy Jones and he literally does not die. Jack sparrow can be fearless all he wants, but that does not take away the fact he can’t defeat an octopus god. 😅 Jack knew very well that there was nothing he could do against Davy Jones without a plan to take him down.
He actually was being smart and not being overconfident because he knew that would be the end of him, if Jack just took advantage of his name and believed he could take down Davy Jones, because of title reasons well that be the end die him lol.
Jack sparrow knows that he can’t accomplish everything regardless of what the sea hyped him up to be. He has a limits. And I think the fan base can’t stand the fact that he literally is just human. I believe they took the first movie way too seriously. 🗣️
I grew up watching the POTC Trilogy as a kid and a teen. Really fortunate. Same as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings. They were such blockbuster movies.
Dead Men Chest and World's End are by far my favorite.
We’ve all noticed from the 4 and 5 is less enjoyable to watch. There’s decline indeed
No Jack. No Pirates of the Carribean
Yeah, it's crazy how the franchise has just drifted into irrelevancy. These were huge movies.
And yeah, I'm with you on Dead Man's Chest and At World's End. I love them so much. I cannot understand why a lot of people think they're a massive step down from the first film. It's hard for me to pick which one I like best. I am curious though, would you watch a Pirates of The Caribbean movie if they just used completely different characters? Obviously if they try cast someone else as Jack Sparrow, I support everyone who doesn't want to watch, but what about a whole new universe with new characters? Have they got your movie ticket or no?
I might not watch the next movie. However I wouldn't mind they're adding new characters. As long as they are accurate.
Female pirates, like Mary Read and Bonnie had existed in real life.
They better bring a beautiful female actress
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 I'm glad to see you're at least saying "might". I agree with everyone who doesn't want to support Disney if they recast Jack Sparrow, but by all means if they do a complete factory reset with new characters, get a solid director with a passion and a vision, and it receives good word of mouth, I will absolutely go and watch that. If I feel disrespected as a fan of the franchise, I suppose that's the deciding factor. Interesting that you want them to use real-life pirates. Another person in the comments said they prefer purely fictional characters. I don't know how I feel about that.
@@TableCreed Indeed. However I dont like the idea of a reboot. Restarting again
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 I don't think many people will like the idea of a reboot until it comes out and hopefully it's good. There's a worry that it will be unrecognizable and people generally don't like change, but if the quality is high enough, I think we will all get over it. Just kind of doubting their ability to put something high quality out.
Stranger Tides is the one that hurts the most for me, that movie had so much potential and could have returned the series to the more grounded roots of the original, but it was just such a mess and the portrayal of Blackbeard which should have been a highlight of the film was absolutely atrocious.
I can understand that. It was the first sign that things weren't ever going to be the same again.
I think Stranger Tides hurts, but Dead Men Tell No Tale enrages.
@@TableCreed Blackbeard is such wasted potential man
Completely disagree, what a whack ass take. Blackbeard was awesome.
Im so sad, they did my boy wrong
What's really weird to me is how nobody really seems that upset by it. Jack Sparrow was a cinematic icon and they turned him into a weird parody of himself.
I honestly cannot express how much I hate Dead Men Tell No Tale for what it did to Jack Sparrow. The people who made that movie clearly had no idea why people liked Jack Sparrow or Pirates of The Caribbean for that matter.
@@TableCreedTotally with you on this. The last movie was really intolerable. I saw it twice, and wrote six pages of notes whilst viewing it-all critical. I simply could not believe they could make a movie that awful.
The "My name is Barbossa" Scene is not giving flashbacks, its actually foreshadowing xD
Yeah, I guess you're right. The Star Wars one is just the more prominent one of the two. It's the more egregious, so that's why it's kind of reversed for me.
The Star Wars one is the one you want to be reminded of the least.
...Barbossa Skywalker
Jack considering shooting Elizabeth, is exactly how I feel when someone says they don't like the other films 😂
I heard that in the last movie that Johnny was wearing an earpiece and they were feeding him his lines that way which could be another reason why he was so off as well.
When it comes to Corina as Barbossa's daughter if you actually did the math, she would have been conceived and born when Barbossa was still cursed. I highly doubt the undead pirates could procreate at that time.
The Will Turner being barnacle-like is supposed to be because Salazar's crew *eye roll* was still in the sea rather than being picked up by the Dutchman.
I wouldn't have thought that Salazar and his crew would have been included in that. They're not supposed to pass on to the afterlife. That's their punishment. Doesn't make sense to me that they'd be Will's responsibility.
@@TableCreed Neither would I, but that is what people are using to keep it from being a plot hole and explain why Will and his crew are reverting back to what they were under Davy Jones. And likely what the writers of Dead Men Tell No Tales were trying to push in order for people to accept Henry's quest and to be able to make Pirates 5?
Hollywood is allergic to a well loved franchise existing without sequels that tarnish it's legacy.
Finally, someone trashing on Pirates 5! How can so many call Pirates 3 the worst one, it has its flaws, yes, especially when you know they were writing the script while shooting and not before, but, Pirates 5 is an absolute piece of sh*t that shames and throws away everything the second did marvelously.
Good video, mate.
Thanks for the kind words.
I wish I didn't have to trash on a Pirates of The Caribbean movie. It's so sad that it's come to this.
I don't know how anyone watches the entire franchise and ends up thinking Pirates 3 is the worst one.
I mean, if not Pirates 5, Pirates 4 is the next one on the chopping block.
And yeah, Pirates 5 felt like they wrote it as they went along. I find it hard to believe someone proof-read that and gave it the green light.
One of the several things I didn't like about DMTNT is that it totally rewrote Jack's backstory. There's a deleted scene in Dead Man's Chest that shows he was branded a pirate because he freed a EATC slave ship. The book The Price of Freedom elaborates on the story set up by that deleted scene. Why not just make that into a movie instead?
I've seen that deleted scene. I liked it, but I'm fine with it being cut. It confirms what we all think about Jack Sparrow, that he's a good man.
I don't think that should be made so clear. I like that you have to read between the lines to understand Jack's character and motives.
The Liars dice scene is probably my favourite deleted scene. It's so good.
I attribute the franchise destructive plot holes in the fifth film being the result of hiring two Norwegian directors who didn't speak much English while directing the film.
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There was probably a lot of previously established lore that was lost in translation.
Might be a factor. Who knows.
But if they were fans of the franchise, they would have seen a Norwegian dubbed version of the movies, but I have my doubts they even watched the other films.
And even if your hypothesis is true, there should have been someone overseeing all of this to make sure everyone kept inside the parameters, made sure everyone was in check and that everything was consistent. There didn't seem to be a person like that, and that's a failure on Disney's part for not putting someone in that position. They just let the money-men run the show.
you forgot the best part in the entirety of Pirates 5 : Uncle Jack
Yeah, that was almost an honorable mention for the things I liked about Pirates 5 but it just didn't push the needle far enough.
I remember a part where uncle Jack tells an awful joke then you just hear some absolute lunatic laughing his head off a few prison cells down the hallway.
I actually didn't really care for Uncle Jack. It was just a throwaway joke but that laugh was so good. That actor or voice actor who did the laugh has really good comedic timing.
I did like seeing Paul McCartney
I always like to look at the potc 4 and 5 and just say to myself "nevermind all that!" then take potc 3 as an ending (even though it is teased clearly that there should be a sequel, that's up to imagination i guess.)
I do the exact same thing with the Alien Franchise. After 'Aliens', that's just the end for me. I'll imagine the rest.
We've got to mentally protect ourselves from the sheer horror of our beloved franchises being destroyed before our eyes.
The island scene always felt like a studio interferent to me, because it literally does not fit with the dark writing of this film. 😨
Thanks for validating my decision to not go back for the parts 4 and 5. I didn't love how Elisabeth's story ended in the third one, but it was still an overall satisfying conclusion, and I know that a good story doesn't overstay its welcome otherwise it stops being good.
Glad to be of some use. Yeah, Elizabeth's story was kind of linked to Will's. She does get a bit of a raw deal at the end. 'remain faithful to this man whom you only get to see every 10 years, and by the way, here's a human heart in a box'. I do like her evolution from a privileged/ flouncy rich girl into a woman who can legitimately hold her own in a room full of pirates.
The only way I could except a pirates reboot, is if it featured a younger Jack Sparrow with perfect casting for someone to play his younger self. There's plenty of backstory to build a world around and tell interesting stories, in my opinion.
I'm not sure about that. I kind of like that Jack's past is up to interpretation. An aspect of his character is how he lies about his history to make himself more respectable.
I feel like we shouldn't be let in on his real history, just like the other characters around him. It's nice you're so open to someone else playing Jack Sparrow but I genuinely think there would be riots if that actually happened. Johnny Depp would have to give his approval. People aren't just going to let someone else play Jack after they basically kicked him out of the Disney family, even if it is a younger Jack.
I’ve always felt like a Curse of the Black Pearl purist and treated all the other films like fanfics but your review has brought me new appreciation for them!
Glad to hear. I hope you enjoy them more on your next rewatch.
That little bit where Jack puts down the bottle with the pearl to line it up with the sea after his crew leaves was pretty good
Should've had it out of that Bottle a week after the events of Stranger Tides.
I had no patience for that stupid bottle. It's ridiculous to think that Barbosa wouldn't have freed it for Jack sometimes after the events of Stranger Tides.
Excellent video, you excellently explained why this franchise really just can't continue. I just subscribed, keep up the great work!
Thank you. You may have just made my day!
Yeah, they completely wrote themselves into a corner.
Removing ocean curses from this world is just so perplexing. Are they trying to say this is set in the real world or something? I don't know.
Absolute lunatics working on this franchise. It's like they didn't even watch the previous movies. Pirates of The Caribbean is a mystical world.
It's a complete fantasy. I don't know why they'd want to remove these fantasy elements.
Gore Verbinski fully intended for the Pirates movies to JUST be a trilogy; that’s why At World’s End felt so CONCLUSIVE for all the major characters involved, even though it ended with an “and the adventure continues…” ending with Jack looking for the Fountain of Youth.
Disney just decided to try and pile on an already-complete story, continuity and story sensibility be damned.
@@DCMarvel2009 To be honest, I don't blame Disney for moving ahead. When you've conjured a multi-billion dollar franchise out of nothing, you'd be a fool to stop making movies. I do blame them for not getting the proper people in place to carry on the work of Verbinski. They didn't even rush the decision. They just made a bad decision.
If they did make another movie, I would want it to be a spin-off. have a new curse, new crew, new villain, and no attachment whatsoever to previous 5 movies. Also have it take place in the earlier years of the francize because in 5th movie from what I remember it was sort of was saying the pirate era was coming to an end, and if you set a pirate's movie in that time period it wouldn't make an enjoyable movie were anything could have happened/ they wouldn't be on a historical accuracy time crunch.
Yeah, I suppose if they set it far back enough, that would be okay with me, say 50 years before the events of Curse of The Black Pearl.
If you set the time period too close, you risk them doing something incredibly stupid like showing us Jack Sparrow as a kid. Just imagine the horror of that.
This was an amazing video !!!
Thank you. It's nice when someone comes to the comments just to say something nice. I appreciate it.
Thank you for this post!!! We felt like we were a part of the all the movies! We weren’t just watching them but enthralled/happy/brokenhearted. We lived in the world w/ POTC In big, Huge part to Johnny Depp!! ❤❤❤
RIP POTC!!
I think Pirates of The Caribbean as we know it is gone, but they'll keep making them as long as they make money.
Great editing and correct analysis. The first 3 are epic.
Thanks for the kind words, and yes those first 3 movies are incredible.
Me forever defending gore verbinski’s amazing trilogy! 🎥 ☠️☠️☠️
(Part 1) For anybody who is always praising the first movie to be the best. I have been studying 1-3 and I constantly re-watch them. Pirates of the Caribbean does not go downhill in writing after the first movie. That is your business to believe that opinion everyone else goes with.
Dead man’s chest gave the characters more depth! Elizabeth and William barely have anything to work with in the first movie. William’s relationship with his father that was hinted in the first movie of his father‘s existence. Paid off wonderfully. William’s character had way more in depth now and you have something to truly care about him for. You get both perspectives when you understand their Reunion! Bootstrap didn’t want Will to become a pirate like him, he wanted him to have a free life from the pirate life. William had a hard time accepting he was half Pirate but when he accepted his life and his father… He has a new journey to stab the heart of Davy Jones to set his father free.
And you’re implying William is better in the first movie just because he wanted to save the girl he loved? William in the second movie now has Elizabeth as a lover. And now a new journey to rescue his father someone else he cares about. And this became a difficult situation when bootstrap told Elizabeth at world‘s end. William has to make a decision. Either don’t kill Davy Jones so he can be with you. Or he does kill Davy Jones and set me free, but he won’t be able to be on land for 10 years. If I were him I wouldn’t pick me! 😕 The emotional weight on William’s character gets better and better.
Elizabeth in the first movie was just a damsel in distress girl. She wasn’t useless in the first movie but you get the point. In the second movie, Elizabeth learned to wield a sword and she used it in the battle. She pulled a gun to Beckett‘s head.. went on her own journey to save will.
She has grown a lot since the first movie who was just an innocent girl! Elizabeth got better as a character in 2 and 3!
As for Jack sparrow. He does not become a joke at all in all 3 movies.
Jack sparrow is at his best in the second movie and in the third movie. There was a moment in dead men’s chest… Where Jack didn’t know what he truly wanted so the compass couldn’t locate what he desired. So when Elizabeth went on her journey and then found Jack.. Jack used her for his advantage! He took advantage of Elizabeth’s feelings by telling her if you want to save Will you have to want to find the chest of Davy Jones! In order to get will back.. That’s why Jack gave her the compass. Jack knew if he couldn’t figure what he wanted out he was going to get it out of Elizabeth. Since Elizabeth now wants to find the chest of Davy Jones to save will. This gives Jack the huge opportunity to find the chest to stab the heart in it. But instead he wants to control DavyJones before killing him. Jack sparrow is not stupid! When will was trying to stab the heart towards the end of the second movie. Jack knows just because Davy Jones is dead, does not mean the Kraken will be stopped as well. And you’re telling me Jack is dumb after part 1??
As for Beckett. He was a well executed villain who uses dialogue and negotiation to control people. The Reason why Beckett didn’t fire his cannons at worlds end. Was because it would be totally out of his character to use weapons. Beckett uses certain words to get through people and how to control them behind the scenes. Beckett at the end of the movie had nothing left to negotiate with. Davy Jones was dead, Jack sparrow is alive and well. Will Turner is now the new captain of the Flying Dutchman. Beckett had literally nothing to use against on people. He was caught in shocked and he decided to die..
Anyways I could defend the Gore Verbinski’s Trilogy all night. His trilogy is an underrated trilogy. It had great character writing and amazing detail of its depth.
Also Will vs Davy Jones!!! 😈😈😈
when Will challenging Davy Jones.
Davy Jones asks him how do you know about the key?
Will replies and says, that's NOT part of the game is it? 😏 You can STILL walk away!! 😏
As for pirates 4/5 they are not even Canon they are filler movies. The story ended at worlds end! ☠️
(Part 2) Dead man’s chest has a very simple plot.. Jack sparrow is the master at controlling peoples hearts to get what he wants and out of a situation. He screwed over Will so Jack can save himself… But it worked in his favor for his reunion to meet his father.. William even told Jack you screwed me over but because of you I was reunited with my father after such a long time.. Elizabeth was caught in Jack’s illusion of trusting him to get Will back that had nothing to do with him which was a lie. Will being on Davy Jones ship had everything to do with Jack lol. Jack left on good terms with Elizabeth and William in the first movie. Elizabeth had every right to believe Jack…. It was Jack who took advantage of her feelings to find the chest by telling her if you want to find will you need to find the chest of Davy Jones! But it was an illusion so Jack can get closer to find the chest of Davy Jones to control him. But to also go back and save will after Jack got what he wanted.
If people don’t understand these movies that’s their problem. But I understand every movie! That’s why I rank 2>3>1 ☠️☠️☠️
(Part 3) I’m sorry to break it to you but the curse of the Black Pearl is my least favorite in the trilogy. I rewatch the trilogy every few months. And to me I just don’t find it as deep or as interesting compared to dead man’s chest or at worlds end.
Curse of the Black Pearl is still a well written amazing film. It’s just I’d rather choose having William struggle on trying to save his father from Davy Jones along side using very clever strategy and dialogue during the dice liar game on Davy Jones to get key from him.. VS William in the first movie who just wants to save Elizabeth….
I love darker storytelling and when steaks are becoming higher! Dead man’s chest gave me everything.. Elizabeth was a useful damsel in stress female lead in the first movie. But I would rather choose her character development in the second movie compared to her in the first movie.
Elizabeth pulled a gun on Beckett’s face. She went on her own journey to save William. Who also taught her how to defend herself with swords. And that paid off well at the end of the movie! Her development is miles better in (Dead mens chest) compared to herself in the first movie who just takes the fall for William to protect him from Barbosa.
Jack sparrow’s dialog and clever intelligence grew (MORE) in (dead men’s chest) and (at worlds end) and you cannot convince me otherwise. If people think he became a joke after the first movie that sounds like a (YOU PROBLEM) Jack sparrow is pretty intelligent in the second movie on being a master at manipulation and taking advantage of people around him to get himself out of a situation in order to save his life and possibly everyone else’s. He just knows how to play the game like that….. You can’t trust Jack sparrow on making the right decisions because he’s supposed to be ahead of the game on everyone’s perspective on him. If Jack was easy to follow with answers he wouldn’t be Jack sparrow lol.
Not to mention what’s with this opinion on people saying Jack sparrow was someone you should not mess with?? Jack sparrow literally wants you to mess with him so he can use that to his advantage to pull you in under his string, for you to doubt him in order to rise up above everyone else. You were caught in his illusion the entire time so he can be superior at the end of the situation and screw you over. If Jack sparrow was someone to NOT mess with, just like Davy Jones.. Then you wouldn’t be caught in Jack sparrow’s illusion on being the worst pirate in the world..
No seriously if Jack had the same fear approach as Davy Jones…. Then all you would have to do were to look at Jack sparrow for a few seconds and be so scared of him, Everyone would just run away.. literally what’s the fun in that for Jack Sparrow?! If he was someone to not mess like people claim. Then (WHY) do people keep on assisting 100% on messing with Jack Sparrow?? Please answer that man lol. That literally makes no sense… 😂
Cinema Therapy is Wrong about the traits for Jack Sparrow!!
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Thanks. That's really nice of you to say. I'm glad you've chosen to gather around the table.
When I posted this video, I think I had 46, so I'm really happy so many people are showing support towards me or even just this video.
"Will Turner's heart is in a f*cking box" had me absolutely rolling! XD
Glad to hear! That's better than the eye-rolling I was experiencing while watching the movie again.
My quick rankings.
1. First movie: Actual film perfection, a film I wish I saw in theaters
2. Dead Man's Chest: not perfect but a lot of fun
3. At World's End: some pacing issues but very satisfying finale
4. Stranger's Tides: just a meh Jack Sparrow spinoff, sorta works as an epilogue but wasted potential
5. Dead Man Tell No Tales: bruh...what was that
I agree for the most part, give or take a few percent.
My favorite Jack sparrow moment in dead man’s chest. Is when Jack couldn’t desire what he wanted, so the compass couldn’t help him out. Jack takes advantage of Elizabeth’s feelings of wanting to save will. In order to convince her, if you want to save Will, you have to desire to want to get to the chest of Davy jones!
If Jack couldn’t figure out what he wanted, he was going to get it out of Elizabeth by manipulation. Jack used Elizabeth in order to get closer to the chest so he could control Davy Jones along with going back and saving Will,
by chance if he’s still alive because Will was only bite for jones, for Jack to have more time to get to the chest, but when he runs into many obstacles of desires, he was lost and confused so he used Elizabeth to figure out how to get the game plan started.
People keep saying Jack’s intelligent went downhill after the first movie, and honestly, what are you talking about? 😂
Dead mans chest was and always will be my favorite pirate movie 😮💨
It's difficult for me to pick which one I like best but yes, I love Dead Man's Chest too.
“The prequels sucked then and they suck now”
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That comment has caused me a lot of trouble, so I'm glad to see you liked it, ha.
@@TableCreed nostalgia is a hell of a drug
But just remember a lot of people call space jam a good movie too.
Thank you for this video my man! I love the insight on Jacks character. A master manipulator is a great way to put it simply.
Thank you. I like to think I understand Jack Sparrow pretty well. I don't mean for that to sound arrogant or pompous but I've just watched these movies so many times.
That video CT made seemed to have hit a nerve with a few people, including me. When a channel like that has such a large audience, they also have a lot of influence on peoples' opinions. I was so glad to see people in the comments, and even people making their own UA-cam videos addressing their comments. I think it's important to counter these kinds of things. I love the conversation though. I actually kind of like that Jack Sparrow's character is difficult for some people to understand. That's actually a real testament to his character, still deceiving the audience 20 years later. I don't know who that was in Pirates 5 though, but it wasn't Jack Sparrow.
Great vid mate perfectly summarises the issues this once incredible IP has suffered from in recent instalments. I’m very much a proponent of letting art rest in peace once it’s fulfilled its vision. Unfortunately big studios can’t make anything original these days and so they bastardise our beloved art until it’s no longer recognisable.
Yeah, they'll run these franchises into the ground before they even consider stopping. That's just the way of the world. If something has the potential to make you money, you put it to work. As bad as the last movie was, it still made a lot of money.
The first 3 movies are special to me, seeing them young with my family. Some of my first epic action movies I saw as a kid. The first one came out when i was 5 and I remember seeing it on dvd later that year and then waiting to see the 2nd and 3rd in theaters
I'm jealous of you if you got to see the second and third in a cinema. I don't know what I was thinking at the time. I remember going to see Spider-Man 3 in 2007, I don't know why I wouldn't have gone to At World's End at the very least. I remember watching a lot of movies for the first time on a TV when I was younger, but yeah those first 3 movies are special to me as well, and it wasn't until I got older that I actually started to fully appreciate them.
17:17 can someone tell me the name of the background song that starts here? I’m hooked on it
I adore at world's end especially. I remember how polarising it was at school tho. Everyone HATED the rocking of the boat scene lmao, while I watched it over and over and over as soon as it came out on dvd. I thought it was so cinematic haha.
But I remember my most rewatched scene for some reason was the first confrontation between jack and Beckett (right after they come back from the afterworld) intercut with the others bargaining on the ship. Non native speaker here, and that scene was the very first I watched in English. I thought it was so clever
ha, I love that rocking the boat scene. It was a bit of a gamble on Jack's part, but it was so funny when even Barbosa looks at the map and says "he's right!" and joins in.
Again, just further showing how Jack operates on a different plain. He has a very unorthodox way of thinking, and yeah negotiation scenes with Beckett were always interesting.
This made me decide to rewatch the GOOD Pirates movies. Well done.
Thanks. Hope you enjoy them.
I agree with basically everything you say other than this gore verbinski did a lot for the originals but Johnny depp, and the other cast were the main reason they were fun a lot of it was improved and wouldn’t have worked without them
Well my counter-point to that would be to look at those characters with Verbinski vs without him.
Yes, the cast all killed it in the original trilogy and they certainly played a big part, but at the end of the day it's Verbinski who gives the orders, tells them how to play their characters. He brought the maximum potential out of the actors. Just look at Depp and Orlando Bloom in Pirates 5. Bloom isn't in character and Depp seems to have lost sight of Jack Sparrow. There was nobody to shepherd them, to bring their best out of them. Thanks for giving your two cents. I like having these discussions.
I LOVE PotC. At World’s End is my fav movie of all time. The trilogy is flawed but underrated. 4 is a decent time & 5 is a love, mostly hate relationship for me. I’d love to see a Pirates 6 but if they’re gonna reboot it… just let it die with the 5th one. I’d honestly watch a Davy Jones prequel or a story centered on the Turners if it meant no Sparrow. Amazing video man, love it!
Thanks for the kind words. Yeah, the trilogy does have some minor flaws but the same can be said for any movie or trilogy.
But there is no way they let the franchise die. Last one sucked and still made a pile of money. They're going to do something with it.
I am honestly hoping they reboot. They've destroyed this current pirates world. I wouldn't really be interested in prequels either to be honest.
Great essay, well done.
Thank you for taking the time to write, edit narrate and post.
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Thanks for the kind words. If I knew this video was going to do so well, I would have re-recorded the entire thing.
I'm glad so many people seem to like it though, even if it could be better.
I think I was a bit ambitious trying to go from single movie reviews to franchise reviews so quickly but at least I'm more prepared for the next one.
The most incredible amazing actor on earth. ❤
You could also argue that Salazar wasn't Jack's biggest fear when he gave away the compass in the second and third movies. I'm more concerned with how the fifth movie completely forgets Jack's established backstory. In the original trilogy, he had been a sailor hired by Beckett to transport slaves, Jack freed them so Beckett branded him a pirate and sank the Pearl, Jack made a deal with Jones to raise it back up in exchange for Jack joining his crew in 10 years, then at some point he got the compass from Tia Dalma and used it to find Cortez's cursed treasure, but Barbossa betrayed him and marooned him on an island. That was his backstory. You could argue that deleted scenes don't count as canon, but that only discounts the part about the slaves, and I'd argue that absolutely _should_ count as canon because it's the only explanation ever offered by any of the five movies for what Jack's history with Beckett is or why he needed to form a contract with Jones to raise the Pearl from the depths. But in the fifth movie, suddenly he was always a pirate who served on what would become the Black Pearl and some random guy gave him the compass and made him captain. What? It was explicitly stated in the second movie that Tia Dalma gave him the compass and that he made a deal with Jones to raise the Pearl back up and become its captain. We know that becoming captain was part of his deal with Jones because of the first scene where they interact. There's just no regard for continuity.
Yeah, you'd think if you were hired to write a Pirates of The Caribbean movie, you'd go back and watch the previous ones just to know what you have to work with, but they didn't seem too concerned about that. They didn't care about this world. They just had their stupid little story to tell and they didn't care about what came before. You'd think with these franchises, they'd have someone well-versed in the lore of the world to proof-read the script for any continuity errors. That seems like common sense to me. You can't pay some pirates fan a couple thousand dollars to go through the script?
@@TableCreed On the contrary. One of the writers for the fifth movie was also a writer for the first three. I have no idea what happened here.
@@Bobb11881 Yeah, I'm aware of that, but I don't know if they were the head writer. It seems like there were a few writers on Pirates 5. I think there were two of the writers from the original trilogy working on Pirates 5. Who knows if they actually did anything or just got a writing credit because of prior work or maybe they just proof-read the script once in exchange for a writing credit. I don't know.
JUST FIRST ONE is art. Second and Third already become product, but just not bad.
I strongly disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
I feel like there's a lot of love put into the second and third movies, and the world and its characters are handled with great care.
The fourth movie is where I begin to feel something very strange is afoot. I can't feel the passion.
Noooo; watch them again.
They are amazing.
Second one is the best 💯
The Pirates trilogy imbodies the Disney brand the most and is what every Disney movie should aspire to be
Adventurous, funny, and imaginative as hell
It definitely defines a certain era of Disney, but I think most people will think of Peter Pan, Snow White, The Little Mermaid, and stuff like that when they think of what movies embody the company best.
Very good Video, congrats! By the way, didn't Jack get the compass from Calypso? I mean in the 2nd movie she asked Jack if he still got the compass she gave him.
You know, I'm actually not too sure about where he got the compass from. I think we can assume he did get it from Calypso. That's something that can't be made by a mortal man. He must have gotten it from her. Wonder what he traded for it. Calypso seems to have a thing for men with a love of the sea so who knows what Jack's history is with her. They hinted at something between them in At World's End.
Yeah, Tia Dalma blatantly said as much. The writing crew behind Dead Men Tell No Tales must’ve either missed or ignored it.
@@DCMarvel2009 Yeah, the carelessness with the continuity was just baffling in Dead Men Tell No Tale. It just gives the impression that the people involved just didn't really care for the franchise. They just wanted to use the IP to make a bit of money. The absolute worst for me was how Will Turner could just suddenly resume his life with Elizabeth once his curse was lifted, as if his heart isn't in a box. The curse was the only thing keeping him alive and they just didn't even think of that.
@TableCreed Thats comment about Wills heart was hilarious btw, it really hurts me how they almost pretend the other movies dont exist with how much stuff they igonore, like the compass.Calypso clearly said so "the compass you bartered from me". Tbh if they just pretend this movie didnt exist and made an actual good pirates movie it could work but thats a gamble of long odds aint it. Best call new characters new ideas. I agree with all your points and I like your video making style, keep it up.
@@pattyteodorescu4716 Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. They didn't just pretend the other movies don't exist, but even within the context of Pirates 5 itself, that thing with Will's curse still made no sense just based off that movie alone. It's like they just thought Will's curse was his binding to the Flying Dutchman as its captain, but I find it hard to believe they remembered that part and not the fact his heart was in a box. Are we to assume they're just that dumb? maybe. And yeah, I think new world, new characters is the way to go.
As you mentioned Pintel and Ragetti for us to assume they are dead, thats probably correct. Pintel and Ragetti rejected the offer to be part of the next POTC Movies (strangers tide and Salazars revenge) because they were focused on other movies they were part of.
sorry for my grammar
That's interesting. I am a little suspicious of that though. I imagine they asked for more money and they were told no but maybe you're right and they were just contractually obligated to do other projects instead. Still doesn't excuse killing the rest of the crew off-screen. It is a bit odd to me that both of them would have been busy at the time. I haven't seen either of them outside of Pirates of The Caribbean. They were definitely under-appreciated by the higher-ups.
@@TableCreed true. If Pintel and Ragetti stayed in POTC it would be fire, or atleast for us to see that scene of them getting killed (when Barbosa explained to jack how black beard attacked and sank the black pearl)
I only own the last movie for the last minute with Will and Elizabeth. I liked knowing they found each other again.
Yeah, I guess. I just can't really look past the silliness, so that scene means nothing to me. May as well be just be Keira Knightley and Orlando Bloom.
I don't see Will and Elizabeth in that scene. I see Disney jangling keys in my face.
Excellent video, I agree on all fronts.
Thanks! I think it's fun to talk about stuff people disagree on, but I'm glad you agree with me.
One of my things is that the two final installments not only did jack sparrow wrong, but completely forgot about Elizabeth and William, just to bring them back for a cameo. And why does Dutchmen will have barnacles on his face?
I would have preferred not to see Will and Elizabeth over what they actually used them for.
and your guess is as good as mine as to why Will has barnacles on his face.
Another stupid plothole that wasn't mentioned here, is the after-credits scene in 'On Stranger Tides' when the magical Jack Sparrow voodoo doll washes up onshore right next to Angelica. I was stupid enough at the time to actially think that scene was going somewhere. But i guess it's not exactly the biggest plothole problem with the franchise anyway, is it?
Yeah, it was a bit silly. You could make the argument that it wasn't forgotten about, and that Angelica has the doll but doesn't want to hurt Jack. I didn't really think much of it since it was such a throwaway thing. Maybe whatever spell was on that doll was broken once Blackbeard died, and Angelica just had a useless doll?
“the prequels sucked then and they suck now”
You lost me.
“the Pirates trilogy was great then and it’s great now”
All right, I’m back 😂😂😂
Thanks for being a good sport about it.
There's been a few people passionately annoyed by that comment about the prequels.
I only brought it in because I feel like it's an apt comparison between franchises. It's not my goal to trash Star Wars.
@@TableCreed oh, absolutely. I love the Prequel‘s with a burning passion just as much as I love the original trilogy and I’m always ready to have a talk about them, but there are some fans who just lose their freaking minds if someone makes a comment negative toward some thing, they personally like and that’s especially true with Star Wars fans. Stuff like that is just annoying and takes away from good conversation.
By the way, amazing vid! Particularly your take with the cannibal island was spot on in my eyes. It always felt like it was one last idea from black pearl both in concept and tone that they moved to chest.
@@Mr.JoScope There's one person who I've been going back and forward with in a comment that's really just perplexing me. They wont accept my opinion at all. They said I was "blind" while watching them or just "don't understand", and I'm just sitting here thinking 'oh, so it's not okay for me to say I don't like the prequels, but you see no problem with trying to invalidate anyone who doesn't agree with you?'. Its so bizarre to me. I know this video kind of made it seem like I was saying the prequels were objectively bad, but I think anything I say in a video is inherently subjective due to the nature of it being a video I made, and I even explained that, but nope, I'm wrong and they're right. I must have had my eyes closed while I was watching the prequels apparently.
Yeah, The cannibal island just felt like something they wanted to do and just couldn't bring themselves to cut it out. Like I said, I think it could have worked if they just adjusted the tone to keep it more in line with the rest of the movie, which set a pretty eerie tone very early on. There's a sense of darkness to Dead Man's Chest and that scene just doesn't fit in my opinion.
Wow Amazing video!!! Pirates of the Caribbean has always been my favorite movies!!! I love Jack Sparrow, Will Turner and Elizabeth Swan so much!!! The other characters are amazing, but this trio has always been my favorite. I'm happy to see people on UA-cam talking about my favorite movies in 2024. 🤩🤩🤩😎😎😎❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥✨✨✨🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🦜🦜🦜
To your point about Carina, it gets even funnier when you realize that female astronomers have been around for over a thousand years at that stage, and female horologists were a thing at the time.
Yeah, it was absurd what kind of picture they were trying to paint. They really were smacking us in the face with that nonsense.
It screems "I wanted a feminist message without ever reading up on feminist thought"
In the original trilogy, Elizabeth escapes her oppressive life (represented by corsets) by entering the world of pirates. Throughout the 2nd and 3rd she learns how to maneuver the world and ends her journey with being pirate king, something that was impossible in her previous life. The message is clear: A woman can only be liberated if she lives in an environment in which she can thrive. Individual men aren't the problem (see how Barbarossa treats her in 1 vs 3, to him she is a person who has no idea how the world works but becomes a respectable amd competent person, it's consistent yet changes).
In 5, the woman gets harassed by men and called a witch, which shows that woman aren't liberated because individual men are assholes. When did any influential feminist writer in the entire history of it, ever, wrote anything close to that?
@@Sigma-xb6kn yeah, the pirates trilogy give far better representation as to what life could have been like for women at the time. Elizabeth does get pushed around a little bit due to her being a woman, but a lot of it comes down to her position as the governors daughter. She has expectations placed on her, whether fairly or unfairly. The pirates trilogy doesn't say 'this is no place for a woman' or 'this is a man's world', but it does make it seem like it is very unorthodox for a woman to find power in this world, which is historically accurate, but despite this, Elizabeth takes insult after insult and smackdown after smackdown until she learns how to actually fit within this world of pirates. She learns how to hold her own. In pirates 5 it's just so unnatural with Karina.
In my opinion, the charm of the first movie was that the pirates were real pirates; bandits, scum, outlaws living the "pirate`s life". They weren`t up to conquer the Caribbean via overthrowing a government, just wanting to be released from the aztec curse. Barbossa is the most charismatic antagonist in the series, because he behaves like a real pirate would have. Jack is a rogue character; he steals, but is not a cold blooded murder and he wants to live free. And also, the heroes are normal people, a bit idealist, like Elizabeth, or too devoted to do the right thing like Will. Governor Swann and Norrington are just a n administrator of a colony, and a law enforcer respectively. Pretty severe and serious at times, but with a good heart.
I think introducing Davy Jones as the dark lord (so to speak) and Beckett (whom i like as a villain) is the classic conqueror/ruler wannabe, removed that charm of the picaresque characters from Curse of the Black Pearl.
But that`s just me.
Respect your opinion, and yes everything was much smaller in scale and more contained in the original film, which is why I said I understand why people would prefer it.
The first 3 movies were definitely amazing and I do enjoy the 4th film personally. The first PotC I saw in theaters was Dead Men Tell No Tales and I remember just reflecting on how far PotC felt so different from the first three movies to the 4th and 5th films.
Such a shame neither of us saw any of the original trilogy movies in a cinema. I don't know what I was doing at the time. Thankfully, I never gave Dead Men Tell No Tale a single cent, but I was also just blown away by how far the franchise went into lunacy and disorganization. The franchise lacked a visionary to guide it.
the only "reboot" i will accept is a prequel about Davey Jones and Calypso. their story was a beautiful tragedy and i think it'd do well as one or two films. Let me see the devastation that made Davey Jones rip out his heart, and the betrayal of binding Calypso to human form.
I don't think that would be good for the overall health of Pirates of The Caribbean.
These movies are four quadrant, appeal to the masses type of productions. That doesn't mean they have to be generic slop but I just think going for a story in that kind of a niche wouldn't be successful. I'm honestly fine with that story being largely left to interpretation. I feel like we got what we needed out of the little bits they gave us in Dead Man's Chest and At World's End. What you're describing doesn't sound like something that can even use the title "Pirates of The Caribbean". How could you possibly stamp that name on a movie like that? and if the answer is 'you can't', then Disney probably aren't going to make it. Yes, I'm sure they want to tell good story's, but they also want a decent profit.
I've always maintained that the reason 4 and 5 were subpar is because they were made with little effort from the director and writers. The director and writing team of the first 3 were extremely meticulous and passionate about the films. It's obvious that 4 & 5 were made by filmmakers who were just there to collect a paycheck
Can you believe that Pirates 4 was written by the same two guys who worked on the original trilogy? The only difference is that they didn't have Gore Verbinski on the writing team with them that time. Left them vulnerable. Think they had some involvement for Pirates 5 but there were other writers brought in as far as I'm aware. It was all downhill once Verbinski left the franchise.
@TableCreed yeah that makes sense. Honestly I thought that Rossio and Elliot got credited on 4 by virtue of them creating the characters from the first 3 movies. I didn't realize they actually worked on part 4 but now that you told me I can understand why it wasn't nearly as poor as 5
“When art becomes product”…describing the adaptation of a theme park ride. Lol. They were fun and well crafted but it was always a product.
Disney intended for it to be product. Verbinski and his crew wanted to make the best movie possible. That's art to me.
Once he left, that's when it became product, people just looting the IP for whatever they could.
25:16 Thats a great point about the crew.
Jacks crew in the trilogy were more interesting and likeable all while having virtually no dialog.
27:39 and dont forget the writers Terry Rossio and Ted Elliot. Their absence in the 5th film is clear as day.
Not to mention they could actually pass as pirates and sailors. His new crew looked like they were pulled out of modern day.
I wouldn't be praising Rossio and Elliot too much. They were the sole writers on On Stranger Tides and failed to deliver. What did the original three movies have?
Gore Verbinski was also in that writers room. They needed him. Once he left, the quality dipped. I'm pretty sure Rossio and Elliot were involved in Pirates 5 in some capacity also.
Awesome video dude, nice to hear a fellow Irishman! I will forever love the original trilogy.
Thanks. I love how fans have segmented the movies off into their own trilogy.
Just a blatant refusal to let the other two movies even get in the doors.
@@TableCreed I thought the fourth film was alright and was harmless, it didn’t ruin the first three and was mainly its own little stand alone film. But the fifth one messed so much with the first three and fell flat story wise and character wise.
@@becausemovies Yeah, I kind of share a similar sentiment. Pirates 4 is relatively harmless, though there are a few things about it that annoy me, and it is a shame that we have to be saying "well at least it wasn't that bad" when we should have just had a good Pirates of The Caribbean movie in its place.
I think Black beard could have been a villain for an entire trilogy. Imagine a trilogy where Black beard takes over the pirate council thing to expand his search for the Fountain of Youth
I don’t care for Black Beard movie. It’s like a stand alone movie, almost!
Yes it is very separated from the original trilogy, just in the way it feels.
Disney: johnny we will pay you $50 million
Johnny Depp: well okay
Yeah, I can't see him saying no to that with the way his career has went.
I don't think Disney would want the embarrassment of walking back their decision to fire him though.
@@TableCreed they already hired him for a more what you talk about Willis
@@GGGame72749 I don't know where you heard that, but none of the reputable trades have reported it as of right now.
The producer of the Pirates of The Caribbean movies has come out and said they're currently planning to reboot.
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That clip of cinema therapist HAHAHAHA love them!!
ha, yeah, I just couldn't make this video without bringing them in.
Yeah I don't acknowledge POTC 4 or 5. It peaked at World's End, and needed to end there.
27:35 I think that the original POTC trylogy had a great filming crew overall, it's like the stars have aligned to help create a masterpiece: producer, director, screenwriters, composer, great cast. I think Jerry Bruckheimer was a good part of it. I heard from the interviews that he's a very creatively involved producer. So surely he's not the sole reason behind the trilogy's success, but you can't leave him out of the equation. It's just that by the time the 4th and the 5th installments were filmed, most of the "dream team" was gone and the franchise became, as you said, a product, not art.
Yeah, I'd say you worded that well. Bruckheimer deserves credit for the original trilogy. He's part of the machine. It was his responsibility to surround himself with more star players after the main team left though. He's essentially the head guy for the Pirates franchise. It was his job to draft a new team and he failed pretty spectacularly. I can just imagine him at some cafe in California, tapping some random hobbyist writer on the shoulder and offering them the job of writing Pirates of The Caribbean.
@@TableCreed Probably he lost creative passion towards it. I feel like the original trylogy was made with great passion, like LOTR trilogy. And it worked out great. When they didn't feel like they were passionate about what they were doing anymore, much like Peter Jackson with Hobbit, it felt forced and lost its magic.
@@AlexandraPoturenko It is pretty difficult to understand the mind of a producer at times. They're motivated by additional factors other than just making the best movie possible. Sometimes they get in their own way trying to top the bar. I think when they were doing the original Pirates of The Caribbean, nobody expected it to be such a hit, but once the franchise established itself as a money-printing machine, maybe they were just making movies for the sake of it, rather than actually having something meaningful ready for their audience. The brand name became too valuable for its own good. Creativity became about profitability.
Fuck that, I won't watch it without Jack, he is why the first movie was so good.
Didn't make Pirates 4 or 5 good, did he? Johnny Depp needs a director like Gore Verbinski to bring Jack Sparrow out of him.
I don't feel like he is actually as in-tune with Jack as we think. He's iconic in Verbinski's movies, but he's not even close to his peak when that's not the case.
As a kid growing up with the Pirates series you see all of the first 3 films iconic and 4 super underrated while 5 needs some time to grow
Disagree with you on your take with Pirates 4 and 5.
I don't think Pirates 4 is underrated. It doesn't get a lot of praise but it also doesn't get a lot of hate, and I think that's what it deserves. It's just happy existing.
Pirates 5 needs time to grow? Yeah, idk about that. You could stick that seed in the most fertile soil on earth and nothing is going to happen.
I can't see the appreciation for it ever increasing. The only way I could see that happening is if they make an even worse Pirates of The Caribbean movie.
Respect your opinion, but I have to say that I disagree.
@@TableCreed As for pirates 5 its one of those films where its feels like they were making a completely different film and that what I was referring to as for it needs time to grow, is more so script wise as well the length of the film its the shortest of all the pirates films which definitely affected the film, That is what I was referring by my terminology sorry I should've explained a bit more.
As for pirates 4 I see it like it was manipulated by the studio in certain parts of the film were it feels like it would've been a darker film than AWE especially when u get the introduction by the spanish but you don't get them as the main anatagonists of the film they just feel like they are there.
@@TableCreed anyway thank you for ure opinion it was quite interesting 😌👍
@@gabmoreno280 and thanks for sharing yours as well.
First PoC was great. Not only it was perfect movie, it basically defined new style: Pirate Fantasy (because not, almost nothing there was realistic and it was good). And also J. D., of course. Then second and third part was released and it still made perfect sense, sure, it wasn't that good, but it was consistent story with very good villain (no, I don't mean Davy Jones now) and beautiful visuals. Then forth movie was released and I mean, it wasn't bad. Personaly I like Ian McShane and his acting was as always perfect. Story made less sense, but it was still decent movie with some minor jokes and stuff. Well, then fifth movie was released and I was instantly sure that whatever sixth will be about, it will not include me.
ha. Yeah, if they made a sixth movie, like you, I would also not be there.
I didn't even go to the fifth movie in a cinema. I could see that trainwreck coming from a mile away.
I always was content when directors and writers murder a franchise to stop people from asking for more and i have appreciation for creators that tell us they have no more passion for a franchise but to put strings on jack sparrow and dance his corpse around like a taxidermy monkey is horrific i grew up with the pirates and created a love for the 7 golden years of irl piracy so disrespectful to the series. If they do a tv spin off i hope its new characters or a younger jack sparrow cause that scene i did enjoy
Yeah, they really were just cashing in on the gool will that was built with the first three movies.
Can't even blame Johnny Depp. If you've got a bunch of Hollywood idiots ready give you 50 million for a movie, you do it whether the script is good or not.
I want to see new characters. I would be horrified to see another actor play Jack, even if it is a younger version.
After Dead Man's Chest, it became a disaster. Enjoy the first two films. They're the best we got.
I don't see how it suddenly goes from good quality movie to 'disaster' between Dead Man's Chest and At World's End.
I kind of look at them as one movie. I would think you'd have to either like them both or dislike them both but idk.
I owe them ALL!! On Blu-Ray! As well as my computer!!
I love Blu-Ray's. The quality is just so much better than anything you can stream on the internet.
I dont think "On stranger tides" was bad. I loved the movie but one thing i always noticed is that it felt more like a spinoff than actual sequel. To be honestjack isnt even main character. Whole movie is based around Barbossas and Blackbeards rivalty while jack is just their helper in the story.
Interesting thoughts. I think Jack is the main character of Stranger Tides and I think that was a big problem. The original movies always had him as part of an ensemble of other characters who he could bounce off of. Stranger Tides feels like a Jack Sparrow adventure more than any of the original three films in my opinion.
I loved pirates but after the one with black beard and Penelope Cruz they probably should have ended it
and some lunatics think it should have ended after the first one.
I'll concede that Orlando Bloom wasn't totally in character. But he's barely in the movie so it isn't felt very much. The new characters werent GREAT but Carina is definitely one of the memorable parts. Shes smart, at least a little witty at times, and has clear cut motivations and growth as a character. I wouldn't MIND seeing more of her character in the future.
But really it all boils down to how they handle Jack Sparrow and if Johnny Depp has it in him anymore to give a memorable performance as the character. If Jack is handled poorly, Johnny Depp can't do him justice anymore, or if the character is just outright not in the series anymore. The next POTC film WILL fail and that'll be a pitiful end of a franchise that deserves better.
I think the Orlando Bloom thing is important even if it was just for a short amount of time, because it's fairly indicative of how little everyone cared while working on this movie.
I find Karina to be insufferable. She's a know-it-all who puts herself on a pedestal. She struggles to even consider the possibility she might be wrong about something.
They give her skillsets she has no business knowing, just to make her seem more capable. She apparently has the commanding presence to silence a wild crowd on a whim.
Even at the end of the movie, what is this growth? That she isn't as annoying? Honestly, I think even Johnny Depp has lost sight of Jack Sparrow. If you look at him doing those public appearances dressed in character, he's just acting like a total goofball. Maybe that's just because that's more suited to public appearances but I don't know. Seems very odd.
Pirates of the Caribbean 1 to 3 is for me one of the greatest Triology ever, it is for me the same like Lord of the Rings or Indiana Jones (tbh the same fate the first 3 movies was all good or great and then the shit starts because people get greedy) some Movies that are timeless and will probadly still get new fans that not even born when the movie released back then.
For sure, the pirates trilogy is timeless. They'll still be watched decades from now.
Someone else pointed out how a lot of franchises kind of lose it after 3 movies. Can't be a coincidence.
The only thing I have issues with in the original three movies is Will's and Elizabeth's relationship. It's so given and shallow that it might as well be not there at all.
Little fun fact, the same guy who wrote it also worked on Dreamwork's Sindbad movie where a love triangle was planned at first. We got Will's and Elizabeth's thing only because his initial idea with Sindbad got declined.
I actually liked Will and Elizabeth's relationship. You can understand why they'd find one another attractive, but I guess it was used as a plot device quite a lot.
I get why someone might not like it. it is kind of a "well of course they're going to get together, just look at them" kind of situation.
@@TableCreed Exactly. It's not bad, it's just... meh. They could have focused more on it.
@@lightborn9071 true, they could have focused more on it, but that would mean losing focus somewhere else, and I'm quite happy with the areas that were focused on. Could do a lot worse than Will and Elizabeth. Case and point in pirates 5 with Henry and Karina. It's not like its the Titanic movie where the whole thing is about the relationship between the two characters and it just happens to be taking place on the Titanic. Pirates isn't primarily about Will and Elizabeth's relationship. I thought they worked just well enough, but if you value romance in movies to such an extent, I cant fault you for taking issue with it. I think the main thing is that both the characters are enjoyable to watch and follow on their own so that gives their relationship a lot of milage in my eyes.
It's a movie about a literal theme park ride.
IT WAS ALWAYS A PRODUCT.
It wasn't made solely by pure artistic will. It was a corporate idea that was handled in the right hands and got out pretty good.
Gore Verbinski is still the guy that made that incredible crazy ass comedy of "Mouse Hunt". The guy is a genius.
Yeah, it certainly was Disney's intent to try squeeze some money out of their attractions, but I would have expected their first movie to look something like On Stranger Tides. It's truly astonishing that those first three movies are as good as they are. Disney's intent was to sell product but Verbinski and most of the crew seems pretty intent on making art. They didn't care about boosting the status of a Disney attraction. They just wanted to make good movies at the beginning.
Very good video - i love Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3 a ton. Disney apparently is making a new film plus a spin off with Margot Robbie which....without Johnny, its not Pirates imo. Subscribed!
As far as I'm aware, they've come out and said they've thrown that Margot Robbie reboot in the trash. Don't think that's moving forward.
Yeah, a lot of people seem to think Pirates can't or shouldn't move forward without Depp, and I can't blame you. I think it's inevitable though.
They'll only stop when the box office dries up.
@@TableCreed I recently saw an interview conducted with Jerry Bruckenheimer that, unfortunately, does confirm Disney is moving forward with two new Pirates films. It's saddening for sure
@@noahthe0tter I'm actually open-minded about a reboot but it has to be great, not just good. But all signs are pointing to another sub-par pirates movie.
I distinctly remember seeing the fifth film in theaters and thinking it was god-awful, especially Johnny depp’s performance, and my family had no idea what I was talking about and loved it. I feel so validated right now lol
ha. Yeah, stuff like that is really frustrating. You begin to wonder if they were even paying attention to the movie.
It's crazy how unscathed this movie went. It deserved more backlash at the time. It was a slap in the face to any fan of this franchise.
Samuel L. Jackson.
I actually enjoy PotC: On Stranger Tides quite a lot!
But oh wow, dead men tell no tales is absolutely awful.
The absolute waste that was Dead Men Tell No Tales☠️. So hyped at the time to think that the movies were gonna get back on course after Stranger Tides, especially with the tease of the Turners. Ironically, Stranger Tides now seems tame and a real continuation, albeit with some oddities.
Ghost Spaniards were such a cool concept. We had skeletons, sea mutants, “zombies”, and then ghosts! The designs were awesome for both the characters and the ship..the writing..good god the writing is so bad.
When you feel the need to check the writers' past film credits to see what else they've worked on, you know that movie has abysmal writing.
I don’t know how I just thought of this, but did the makers of the pirate franchise base his character of Calico Jack Rackham?
The Jolly Roger is shown multiple times and is basically synonymous with pirating
Don't know really. I know Johnny Depp has said he based the character off of Keith Richards.
I don't know what other inspiration Disney or Gore Verbinski gave him.
POTC is an amazing trilogy, best pirate story.
anyone who considers dead man's chest and at worlds end at the same level whith 4 and 5 either didn't watch them or are just senile. I'd argue 2 and 3 is even better than 1, which by itself is a masterpiece.
I can't decide which of the three I like best. I kind of treat Dead Man's Chest and At World's end as one movie, and that makes it very hard to pick between the first film and those. Can't fault you for liking them more though. I'll just stay here on the fence for now.