Reacting to DBZ Abridged Episode 60 Without Watching Dragon Ball Z
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*16 in DBZ:* "Listen, Gohan, I know it's scary, but you have the ability to stop this. I believe in you!"
*16 in DBZKai:* "It's okay, Gohan. There's no shame in fighting for what you believe in. You can do this!"
*16 in DBZAbridged:* "By refusing to fight, you're not just useless, you're being _actively detrimental._ Now stop being a little _bitch_ and fucking _do something!"_
They’ve said it was 16 goading and manipulating Gohan more than his actual opinions, rough as it is. Sort of lends itself to SSJ2 Gohan’s red flag personality, though.
16 in DBZAbridgedKai: "I'm still alive in this version"
wasn't he just a child?
@@Agent_N7 Does it really matter? If he doesn't fight, entire galaxies would be destroyed. That will be a lot of blood in the hands of a teenager.
@@SparkShadow212 when have teenagers been known for good judgement skills and handling pressure?
Cell throwing up 18 is funnier when you remember that he eats backwards, so throwing up is the equivalent to him pooping his non-existent pants
I.. I never thought about it in that way
The other key detail is that in the original version, it's a kick to the head that causes him to spit her out (you can still see the damage at 34:57). This basically means that he got concussed so badly that it made him shit himself.
That makes it about a thousand times funnier 😂
@JetZV Man, I guess he was right. Nothing quite like a concussion to really get the blood flowing...
This is proven on South Park.
22:30
It actually is! That song is in the original Japanese Dub, but TFS made an English cover of it (not a direct translation) because they thought it would be the most effective thing for the scene. They went all out!
next to the OG song its the best cover ever
this song was really good made it more emotional R.I.P 16 you will be missed
My immediate reaction to that:
It... was...
I have to disagree with Kaiser, I think Bruce Faulconer did it better, but he hates Bruce's music and he fought for this and he doesn't get much chance to get his way (though he does edit everything so in a way he's getting a lot of say). So, it's fair in the end probably.
@@RuneKatashimahe doesn’t HATE Bruce’s music
He thinks inferior to the original score, but he still has a lot of respect for many of the faulconer tracks
He said himself: if he didn’t, we wouldn’t have seen any of them remixed in the abridged
Fun fact that I know others are going to point out: All of the Cell Jr's are named after all the different VA's of Cell....yes, including the DBZA version
(Edit: Vegeta Jr Jr is not a VA. The creator's just needed an extra name)
Except Vegeta Jr. Jr.
didn't know vegeta jr. jr. was a voice actor.
Vegeta Jr Jr is my favorite voice actor for cell (basically just Taka a 2nd time)
Beyond that, it's a reference to Vegeta Jr the Saibaman.
@@devonm042690"NOOO VEGETA JR!"
all three parts in one video?? what a fucking treat im ecstatic
Ngl it’s great they added em all into one since it’s such a good finale
Fr
YESSSSIR
Christmas came early.
@ryanibe08
And so did I
40:08 It's important to remember here how instant transmission actually works. He can't just pop up whereever he wants, he has to concentrate on a particular person's ki signature, that's why he did it
Yep. He couldn't teleport to the moon unless a ki signature was there.
@@stephenvincent7363to be fair, there IS a ki signature on the moon
@brony4869 TBF I don't know if Goku woukd even remember the rabbit guy. Plus wouldn't he have died when the moon got destroyed?
@@stephenvincent7363twice even. But I read a comment saying that the rabbit either survived or isn't on the moon anymore.
@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 The manga really doesn't make mention of him afterwards if I recall correctly, so that might be filler.
Did you guys notice 16's halo in the credits. It was a nice way of saying he did have a soul and went to heaven in this version.
Mahogany.
22:30 "This should have been the soundtrack of the actual show" This song is in fact an english cover of the japanese track used here, which was completely replaced with something different in the english dub.
Further proof dubs are garbage
@@Demonslayer20111 That dub isn't that bad, but it did dirty the most iconic scene in Dragon Ball, probably all anime
@@Demonslayer20111, agreed, tha Spanish dub kept the music of the original Dub, and that's probably why a lot of Hispanic are huge fans of the Dragon Ball series
@@KimidoriGreen Indonesian dub too if I remember right
@@Khann_2102 Its really just in the English dub iirc. Most foreign dubs still keep the Japanese track though in some cases it was just the music and no lyrics
I love how Cell is portrayed in the final part. His calm and prideful demeanor have gone out the window and he’s clearly losing it. Though unlike Frieza’s more manic meltdown, Cell is more frightening. He’s still pompous and charming, but he’s screaming and more so than ever before, everything he says is just dripping murderous intent.
His “Worst case scenario, you die and get stronger. IT DID WONDERS FOR ME!” line is a great example of him just barely holding it together
22:30 “This should’ve been in the actual show”
It was. It literally was.
So sad to see folks not know their history 😔
@@kaialone To be fair, the title straight up says they've never seen DBZ. And even if they've just seen snippets of the dub, this song is missing there too.
@@Essu_ Only Boom has never seen DBZ, the other 3 guys have and often talk about what big fans they are
@@kaialone I don't remember that song witch dub is it in?🤔
@@joeskys2362 Japanese
Yamcha never enters the Buu Saga tournament, he's in the stands watching. It almost feels like he's watching Krillin's daughter while 18 and Krillin enter the tournament. And they never even invite him to compete in the Tournament of Power. haha
To be fair yamcha is the worst possible option for the TOP
@painvillegaming4119 I mean he would have made more sense than Roshi 😄
@@painvillegaming4119
He probably would've made it further than Tien for comedy sake honestly, knowing Toriyama
Didn't he stop training and just start playing baseball lol
@musicarain4702 If I recall, he actually did start doing some training but not enough for them to take notice. And he really wanted them to invite him to TOP but because he was out of the game for so long, they didn't consider him. 🤣
We just gonna gloss over the fact that Bulma now has a nuke in her possession?
She has the strongest two men on earth on speed dial.
The woman invented a time machine in her basement, with a box of scraps. She was probably making nukes for 3rd grade science fairs.
Her husband and adoptive little brother (Goku) could blow up the sun with a finger
Yes, "now".
Yeah, like she couldn't just build one in an afternoon, *tops*
Fun fact: all the cell jrs, save Vegita jr jr obviously, are named after the people who voiced cell over the years.
16 is such an interesting character to me. At first he seems superfluous, sidelined except for a fight to stall out cell. But his speech to gohan, whichever version you prefer, is so impactful and illustrates the duality of loving peace and needing to defend it with conflict.
Neeeeeeeeeeeeeerd
@@agrugaming5066what?
The reason they actually quit making dbza is because:
1. They think they couldn't
top this and the rest would be letting down the fans.
2. the next movie caused an incredible amount of burn out.
And copyright hell
@@wingedbluj1674Not really.
@@wingedbluj1674 they actually didn't have much problems with copyright around the end of the cell saga so, no It wasn't because of copyright.
@@humdum_ytyes it was, they definitely had problems with copyright issues but it wasn't the only reason, burnout was the other major reason
"They think they couldn't top this" so what your saying they "Peaked" 😂😂😂
Fun fact: Super Saiyan 2 only started being called that way after Goku explains the Super Saiyan "levels" just before Super Saiyan 3 reveal and calls it Super Saiyan 2. Before that, it's just refered to as "the level beyond super Saiyan" or things along those lines.
Super Saiyan Grade 5 was the most agreed upon name before Super Saiyan 2 was coined
@@VerseAftrVerse In japan I believe, because grade 1, grade 2 etc are rough translations from the japanese term, elswere it was something among the lines of ascended super saiyan, except in the US because DBZ was already finished when it arrived and calling it super saiyan 2 was already a thing.
"They should have used this in the actual show"
"I can't tell what's been cut"
From the original episode, nothing is cut from 21:54 to the end of part 1. Just translated the song and dubbed what few words are spoken, they played that scene as straight as they could
Yeah it's funny that they say "This should have been in the actual show" when this WAS in the actual show in the japanese version and then the english one cut it.
One thing that irks me about a few reactions to that scene is when people assume the bird during Gohan's transformation was edited in and even laugh thinking it was done so as a joke.
@SniperKingStrikor to be fair, they _really_ hammer in his love of birds here
@@SniperKingStrikor Shows how little some people know of the actual series, lol.
@@EskChan19 Thats what happens when American reactors have only ever seen the English dub. While its understandable when you think about it people need to watch the original Japanese version too rather than limit themselves to the English dub so they can see how much was changed.
Yamcha didn't patriciate in the World Tournament in the Buu Saga. They even ask him while they're on their way there and he says he's given up fighting (probably because the gap in power between him and the Super Saiyans and Piccolo is so extreme at that point that he doesn't see the point).
Totally get where he's coming from. It would be like a white belt going against Jackie Chan or some other world famous martial artist. Yamcha is arguably top four when it comes to humans, but he can't hold a candle to the rest of the Z fighters.
It's also safe to mention his age may be a factor, along with with a fucked up leg due to Tenshinhan. By that point in the series, he has to be in his 50s or close to it. Sure, still in great shape an all due to his martial arts, but he was about 16 or so in Dragonball. So the combination of age, his leg, and like you mentioned, the power gap all just probably demotivated him from continuing with his training.
That said, the dude still tried when it counts. Never got far, but he tried.
The question is, did they ever notice that if a character dies in an episode, it's that character who reads the intro bumper. Because I don't think they ever bring that up in their reactions
The soundtrack is from dbz, TFS made a cover in English. It is gohan's theme
I love that “DRAMATIC FINISH!” After Takahata101’s amazing performance of My Way to reel you back in to the comedic aspect of this show😂 TeamFourStar did an amazing job and deserve all the praise for this🤯
Are they watching the DragonShortz and HFIL after this, or even the Buu bits?
Or hellsing
They have watched the buu bits, and will then transition to dragon ball z battle of gods. So they might watch super idk
Maybe also the cell games
did they ever watch the DBZA Kai's? if not thats a bit disappointing.@@ermindedic3706
I will say, in the original show, Goku does know Gohan prefers stuff like fishing and studying to fighting- like before the Cell Games he even tells Gohan like "we gotta save the world so you can become a scholar like you wanted" and takes him to a fishing trip like he promised him
(Piccolo respects Gohan's interests far less in comparison tbqh 🤔)
Like I get the DBZA take, but dont get confused and think this is what it was like
Even in canon, I think that statement from Goku was ultimately coercive. I mean, he never talked with Gohan about this plan beforehand (even though he had at least a year), and then he put Gohan entirely on the spot at the last possible moment. Gohan didn't really have enough time to lay out any reasonable case for why he was hesitant to fight until AFTER he was already fighting Cell.
@@kmgyening Just saying that Goku *knows* what Gohan likes, and that while DBZA potrays Piccolo as invested in Gohan's interests, canon shows Piccolo being annoyed to uncaring about it (tho in his defense, we dont get a lotta chances for him to comment on it)
@@kaialoneOk, fair enough
Holy shit someone that actually watched the original show and knows this is a parody that shouldn't be taken seriously!!!
Fun fact; In the Super manga the Cell Jr's survived this and are living under the protection of 17
If i remember correctly they dont explode in the manga only in the anime and then regenerated right?
Cool that they got guardian in 17. I'd assume he would also be training with them to keep his skills sharp.
Makes sense, in the manga you jyst see their organs lol, so since cell survived with just one cell.
I wonder if they're gonna show up and help someday, in a future arc.
@@xxshaggygrxx1792In the manga, the Cell Jrs have organs instead of just smoke, it's much more brutal.
It’s worth remembering that the DB Super manga isn’t canon the to main DB storyline/continuity.
Unlike most Animes where the manga is the source material and the anime is an adaptation of that; the DB Super anime *is* the source material and the manga is an adaptation of the anime.
So the DBS series is canon and the DBS manga isn’t (or at least the Manga original stuff isn’t canon like how anime only filler from DBZ isn’t canon)
Which is a big bullshit becouse cell's and gohan's kamehameha did destroyead everything around them so cell jr should have been wiped out they did literally showed the energy espanding and stroying everything around and everyone have to get back for not get involed in so no way cell jr was alive
13:48 I like how Cell named his cell jr’s after Cell’s various voice actors in the DB franchise.
Norio Wakamoto (OG Japanese)
Damian Clarke (Funimation Dub)
Travis Willingham (Voice of Cell in the Video Games)
Curtis Arnott (Team Four Star)
Dale Wilson (Ocean/Westwood Dub)
Jonathan Cook (DBGT: Final Bout)
"And now the end is near and so we face the final curtains"
I'm glad we're doing all 3 parts in one this has been such a fun ride episode 60 is still probably my favorite episode all 3 parts are truly perfect
So, all three parts premiered on Twitch a week or so apart, and every part got more and more viewers. The finale had something like 45k in live chat. It was glorious chaos. Chat was going so fast that you could barely register that there was a given comment before it disappeared.
At the time, I was working security, so I went "on patrol" and watched the streams.
You guys should definitely watch the Buu bits they made to go with totally not Mark's DBZ review
Only after he watches the Buu saga though. They don't fill in gaps so it will just be rapid fire jokes that will become super hit or miss
Goku's instant transmission can only teleport to a person, so King Kai was kinda one of his only options. He can't just teleport a place.
While it's generally more well known nowadays, Gohan's transformation sequence is more faithful than the actual original english dub.
Them putting that song as well the silence from both the Narrator and Gohan is exactly how it was done in the original air in Japan. In the english dub and in other dubs as well, like with the Italian dub, that was just removed and other stuff was put instead of it and the scene was SEVERELY diminished because of it (the before mentioned narrator and Gohan's nonexistent internal dialogue).
It hits so hard, and even harder than the original for most because it was originally diminished with these languages in the first place
22:30 It's from the original Japanese episode. TFS recreated the moment but with english lyrics.
It just occurred to me: Vegeta caught a lot of strays in Episode 60, but the one who caught the ULTIMATE stray was actually King Kai.
They actually just vaguely referred to it as an Ascended Saiyan until much later when the name Super Saiyan 2 is introduced.
Whether or not you decide to watch Kai, I genuinely recommend going back and watching some of those iconic scenes or episodes in the original dub. The whole atmosphere with the voice direction and the Bruce Falconer music is just next level. All of the iconic super saiyan transformation scenes are my favorite.
I just love how Goku had the same bet on Vegeta+Krillan like Bulma, cause those two has literally known V+K the longest.
Yes but lets not believe Goku would have stopped Cell from absorbing android 18 or from Cell being in final form. He let Freeza do it so why would Cell be any different. All Sayians have the need to proove who is stronger and Goku is just as bad a Vegeta
@@Ringking-ws7bz I think if Goku wasn’t planning on unlocking Gohons hidden potential, if he were to face Imp./Semi-perf Cell. He would NOT let him transform, because although he’d allow someone to get stronger to prove themselves, I don’t think he’d allow it if lives were sacrificed for it. Which would be the difference between Veggie and Goku
@@Ringking-ws7bz Goku and most of the other fighter characters arbitrarily switched between proactive and not proactive throughout this entire arc. I maintain the issue starts with them not listening to Bulma in the first place.
Dude in the top left clearly has never seen the original Japanese SS2 transformation.
Cracking up thinking it's a joke, when it's a total tribute.
It's not that deep
@@junglekxngtalksanime Silence nog.
Deadass, it aint that deep
Nope, there was no telepathic conversation in the original.
He pops up, King kai and gang freak out, Goku says he didn't know where to take him and King Kai responds with "You could have called first" before Cell blows them all up 😂
In the Manga, Cell pretty much detonates the second he appeared on King Kai's planet.
@@wingedbluj1674 Never watched that, I'm talking about the anime dub.
TFS didn’t stop because of copyright strikes. In fact, while Goku’s goodbye speech was actually a goodbye to the fans speech saying maybe they’d come back someday, this episode ended with a notice that they were continuing with season 4. Then it continued with DBZ Kai 2.9 (the 3.0 April Fools’ joke), 3, and 3.5. But then after they wrote and rewrote the Bojack movie script over and over again and not being happy with it, they made an announcement that they changed their minds, that they realized they were burnt out on the series and they didn’t want to force themselves and maybe come to resent DB, which they love. With that, the announcement at the end of this episode was clipped out so people wouldn’t keeping asking what happened to season 4. Then came Dragon Shortz and HFIL based on their abridged characters. I personally love HFIL. Also, fairly recently, Totally Not Mark did an expose on DBZ season 4 and TFS did a set of season 4 bits for it and they later compiled them onto their channel as “Buu Bits”.
Small note but they actually did state copyright concerns were one of their reasons for stopping at the time
Copyright absolutely was a factor, it just wasn't the only one.
@@Arkayjiya Indeed. Even if Copyright wasn't necessarily the reason why they didn't continue, I'm certain it played a large part in burning them out.
That song when gohan went ssj2
That song IS in the show. The original Japanese dub had that song but tfs made an English cover for their own version
DBZA stopped for three main reasons: the aforementioned copyright issues with Toei, the immense amount of time and production each episode took, and the gang experiencing burnout while trying to write for the film Bojack Unbound. Making Season 3 and especially episode 60 put them through the wringer, and they didn't want to sacrifice quality by pushing themselves through a Season 4.
22:30 It WAS in the original! It's an English cover of Day of Fate, the song written for this in the original Japanese Anime. The Dub changed the score because... well, it's music, so the dub is legally obligated to be bad.
It was the ‘90s. No one wanted Japanese in their ‘Murican animes.
Very unfortunate, indeed.
Since of course they had falconer productions music at the time.
Faulconer music was better with the rare exception of a few nostalgic tracks
@@greymangaming1877 Dude, if it weren't for nostalgia, Faulconer's team wouldn't even be remembered today. You could hit "shuffle" on a Faulconer playlist and ANY other Dragon Ball OST playlist (original, Kai, video games, anything) and ask a random person on the street which one they like better. 95% of people will pick the other playlist no matter what comes up.
Except the SSJ3 theme. That was pretty good
@@LittleZbot Honestly SSJ3, Piccolo’s theme, Super Saiyan Vegeta, Gohan Angers, Perfect Cell and Goku’s Super Saiyan theme are the memorable ones, everything else is generic.
The song that played when Gohan went SSJ2 is actually an english cover of the original japanese score for that scene
Android 16s "good man doing nothing" speech still holds up really well, it's cool to see how far the quality of their writing for this came since the first ten episodes.
To this day, I continue to get chills from the TFS super saiyan 2 transformations, the cover of Day of Fate, it's insane
I get chills every time Gohan goes SSJ2 and the song plays. The tears dry from his eyes . . . and he scowls - the bang is down - death is here.
I'm glad to see your reaction for the end! Teamfourstar also did their own animated series called HFIL, which follows Cell in hell. So, if you guys want more content, there's that series.
There's also the "buu bits" video which is kinda like a speed run through of them doing clips of the buu saga if you want a little more to watch. Also the "cell vs" clips, those are good too
Instead of just the buu bits. I totally recommend totallynotmarks buu saga review. (The video the buu bits were made for)
He's a damn good analyst, fun watch, and well worth the watch at that. But obviously that requires context of the original show. A lil pointless if they haven't watched the buu saga v.v
(But for anyone else, please do! The dude doesn't get enough credit! His vids are great)
I'll be honest. I have seen DBZ Abridged many times, and people reacting to it many more. I never understood why King Kai was upset with Yamcha when they used the wishes until this time. It's because Yamcha specifically asked for people on Earth to be resurrected, meaning King Kai wasn't. I don't know how I didn't realize it sooner.
40:10 There is no Moon anymore. Piccolo blew it up in the Saiyan Saga to stop Gohan from transforming.
There is, tho. Kami made another one after Piccolo blew it up
"this is better than the soundtrack in the actual show". It actually is the soundtrack in the show. They dubbed the song that plays in the og japanese version when gohan goes ssj2
Gohan when he fought Cell was younger than Goku at the begining of the story. He was THAT much stronger than Goku.
The difference is that Goku received a brain injury as a kid which repressed a lot of his Saiyan instincts.
Gohan has been training using them since he was four years old while Goku didn't learn to accept his until he was in his twenties.
@@GamerGrovyle I'm talking raw strength. Gohan, debatably, never surpassed Goku in fighting skill, just raw power. and Goku's brain injury didnt affect his strength. if anything it's near death severity made him stronger.
“I’m not done ripping the wings off this butterfly” goes extremely hard
It wasn't just the copyright issues (which did play a big part, since their channel was almost nuked more than once), they were facing serious burnout, other projects that they could profit from, and members of TFS wanting to leave to do their own thing. All that stress and pressure lead them to realize that this was probably the best place and time to end it. Especially since they literally got stressed over how to write the next movie and season. All in all, it was down to keep going, but everything after this would be of less quality because their heart wasn't in it, or end it here
fun fact, each of the cell jrs are named after voice actors for perfect cell from all the different dubs, including abridged.
Several reactors have been continuing with DBZ Kai after this. It's a very good transition point and a great way to see just how incredibly accurate the Abridged was to the dub.
Fun fact: the song that plays when Gohan goes SSJ2 is in the Japanese version.
However, the TFS version is the only version of an English variant of the song.
I havent seen this posted yet but gohan is actually 9 here but was changed to 11 and called teen gohan for marketing in the west. But if you read the manga he is only 9 years only during the cell games. Then a 7 year time skip to make him 16 in the buu saga.
Great content btw. This was a nice journey to go on with you guys.
"It's even better than the soundtrack in the actual show"
That's literally an english cover of the soundtrack of the actual show.
The american version has the wrong soundtrack because heartfelt and intense OST were not american enough apprently.
Yamcha just being humble and letting the others win, such a good friend.
The mutual flipping off and Vegeta constantly copping strays gets me xD
The thing about Mr Satan saying that he beat Cell was basically more framed as him doing it to keep everyone calm when they thought the world was going to be destroyed. He KNOWS the truth and actually respects Goku and co for their part in beating Cell, but eventually, even Goku realized it would be better to keep things under wraps as to how close the world came to ending. Mr Satan didn't mind the publicity, but he's a good guy deep down.
Later in the series, it's even shown that he keeps Goku's family afloat with his cash as thanks for the whole thing, basically.
"Part of the journey is the end." 🗿🔥🐉
Funniest part is he's actually supposed to be 9 here, or close to 10 given the time chamber shenanigans because they didn't spend the entire year in there.
He’s 11
He is physically 11. His legal age is pretty irrelevant here.
Actually 9 at the start of the android saga should of been 10 even if they didn't spend the entire year stayed 9 cause Toriyama wanted to use his natural age so yes he is 9 unfortunately the dub aged him up and the games made it worse also Videl is a year older than Gohan she's 17 when they meet 😅
Gohan was born May 18 in Age 757.
The Cell games took place on May 26 in Age 767.
So he's chronologically 10 years and 8 days old (having his 10th bday in the week follow up), but biologically +1 year due to Room of Spirit & Time.
If you manually go through the series, it is stated that he was 4. Add in all the time skips, you still get 10 (+1 with RoS&T).
@@lucariomew365 Nah, you right, I got the times mixed up. But I knew he's at least 1 year younger in the Manga.
I don't use RoS&T as it's not completely clear how long Goku and Gohan were in there as they came out early. And he's still be chronologically 10.
I think if you plan to watch the Buu Bits you should watch the actual Buu saga first. They are well bits so they don't have much context so things can't really build up like the abridge did to fill in blanks. Whether you start Kai at the beginning or right after this I would say depends on how quickly you want to get to the Buu Bits.
Also if you want another abridge series I would recommend Bleach S or Fate UBW abridge(both by the same people) assuming at least some of you have seen original Bleach or Fate. It can be watched without knowing the original like DBZA but I think its always good to have someone in the know.
Goku technically had no choice but to take Cell to King Kai's planet. Instant transmission requires that he teleport to an energy source, which means he'd have to go somewhere with at least 1 person. At least with King Kai's planet, he could guarantee the least deaths.
Yep, in the Tournament of Power they even point out that Yamcha is just "Waiting for everyone to invite me"
He doesn't say he wants to join the team, just assumes they want him.
He doesn't even get an invite. And Puar is used to train ROSHI.
Yeah by that point the Yamcha Sucks meme had taken flight in Japan. Even the creators couldn't resist 😅
Fun fact: When Cell lists the names of his children, he's (mostly) saying the first names of people who have provided their voices for the role of Cell across multiple mediums and countries.
It's funny, despite the recurring joke about how weak Yamcha is, the writers LOVE him. He even gets his own episode in Super where he beats the strongest warriors of another universe in baseball.
You know, after this, you can still watch the Buu bits that they did recently, along with HFIL and DB Shortz.
All 3 parts in 1 video!?! It’s a Christmas miracle! 🎄
Doing part 60 all in one video? Damn, HYPE! 🔥🔥If I wasn't broke I'd sub to Patreon for that
in og dragonball, the king watched as Goku literally fought down to his last limb to save him from demon king piccolo. its kinda poetic that he recognizes Goku's son, who is also now saving the world with only one arm and a kamehameha.
A treat watching you guys react to episode 60 in one part--was great seeing your reaction to 60 because it's hands-down top-notch quality from TFS, down to the English cover they commissioned for the "Day of Fate" cover used in Gohan's SS2 transformation (which was used in the Japanese version of the show there). Love coming back to 60 often, and honestly hearing their behind-the-scenes on it for their commentaries was powerful; it's clear a lot of love went into this knowing what a pivotal moment it was not just for DB but for anime altogether.
As for what to watch next, I'm sure Boom would enjoy DBKai for sure, though I'd recommend maybe going through Dragon Ball too. I'd recommend looking up a "Dragon Ball Recut" fanedit by IAmTheMilkman, which removes a lot of the filler from DB and makes it about 80 episodes; from there, I'd jump into his "Dragon Ball Kai Recut," which he just finished up the Buu arc for; altogether, it takes the 167 episodes from all of Kai (Saiyan-Buu) to 130ish, with Saiyan-Cell being 82 vs 98 originally. Kai got a bit worse about removing filler into the Buu arc, so he makes it a much more streamlined time, lol. I'm sure that'd be fun all around! (Also, for DB, I kinda would recommend going with the Japanese subbed version because the dub still takes some liberties where it shouldn't, but Kai's dub is fantastic)
I waited a whole year last week to watch this.
This show has increased my appreciation for Sinatra
"Im a head"
"Then maybe you should quit while you are"
For context, each part of episode 60 was about a year apart, which is why "My Way" was so much more impactful. Those of us who grew up with it had been WAITING. FOR. YEARS. for the conclusion.
22:31
It IS the soundtrack of the actual show, in the japanese version and pretty much every dub worldwide, but you know, America being America, doing a complete different thing for the rest of the world and kind of sucking on it XD
It isn't necessarily worse, just different.
They initially called it "Ascended Super Saiyan", but after Buu saga Goku ascended beyond *that*, he decided to just number them instead, for brevity. Otherwise, in the words of Buu saga Krillin, "what would that make him, 'double ascended [super saiyan]'?"
Technically there were also the Grades, but yeah, it was Goku that arbitrarily numbered certain forms
@@brolytriplethreat Those weren't really different forms though, more like different degrees of buff form 1. Gohan was the first to truly ascend, or shift a gear, rather than merely (over)tuning what they already had.
@@OMGitisGuy true as the overbulked form Trunks used was named Ultra Super Saiyan if remember rightly but like you said there was more aka to buffs to super Saiyan.
1:11:21 It actually _was_ left a mystery, though in-universe they unofficially called it an "ascended saiyan". The characters merely acknowledged that Gohan "did it right", meaning achieved the level the three other saiyans had been trying to reach for. It wasn't until late in the Buu saga (which at the time of the Cell Saga being written wasn't going to be a thing) when even higher forms were made that numbers started getting used.
And now, the end is here. Well done dudes. I can't help but chuckle a little though, every one is crapping on the Super Saiyan naming conventions but Luffy just uses gears, like a car, haha.
i am down to watch all of Kai
If you're continuing with DBZ Kai, please continue from the Buu Saga. Would be a great watch!
you guys are goated for all 3 parts in a single video, favorite reaction for that one
22:32 in the first, original , DBZ Japanese version, they used this soundtrack for this moment, and it made the moment of ssj2 Gohan more epic than what we got later on. The soundtrack was in Japanese though, but it was still fire.
I'm gonna be honest, i really hate the all "you are a coward" speech everyone gives to Gohan.
He's by far the bravest for not wanting/liking to fight but doing so anyway because he know is the right thing to do.
Yeah, but here's the thing:
He wasn't fighting.
It was the right thing to do, but Gohan didn't do it. He kept saying he was a pacifist and making empty threats that even he didn't believe in.
He is courageous for sticking to his guns for that long, don't get me wrong.
But pacifism doesn't magically stop a fist.
I do feel like the speech is a little forced, mostly because Gohan *did* fight before when the situation called for it. He never liked it, sure, but he didn't sit around and do nothing when Dodoria was about to kill Dende, when they confronted the Ginue Force, or when they had to survive against Freeza. The only time he faltered was against Nappa, and not because of pacifism, but because he's a five-year old thrown into a death fight (his first one, at that) against a genocidal alien, and is understandably terrifed. Cell and #16's speeches only kind of work for the current situation, but they act like it's a reccuring trend.
In the actual lore, instant transmission is not location based but ki based. Goku can find anyone with a ki signature he recognizes and teleport to near them. So he couldn't teleport to an abandoned planet or dead space, his choices were somewhere else on earth, new namek, or king kai's
The Yamcha thing, there are 3 moments.
At the start of Buu, there's a World Tournament that Yamcha goes to watch, but doesn't participate in.
Near the end of Buu, in the afterlife, Yamcha is seen beating Olibu AND Pikkon, the latter of which beat King Cold, Frieza, Cell and the Ginyus all at once. By the way, Yamcha beay Olibu and Pikkon at the same time, but Pikkon also beat all those villains at the same time, I just worded that poorly
And in the Tournament of Power, Yamcha wants to be invited, but Goku picks someone else.
Fun fact: Super Saiyan 2 didn't actually have an official name up until right before the introduction of SS3. Most called it "a level beyond Super Saiyan" or "Super Saiyan: 5th Grade "
Grades 2-4 were Super Vegeta, Super Trunks, and Full-Power Super Saiyan. In that order
(At 33:33) Gohan's reminding Goku the number of times he NEVER to finish his fights… that he started, in _that_ order:
Goku vs Vegeta
Goku vs Frieza
Goku vs Perfect Cell
I wasn't expecting the whole three part in one video I appreciate the effort I can't wait for the Kai and Buu reactions, also the HFIL reaction
The sound track during gohans transformation is the official track but an English version. If you only watched the original Dragonball Z English dub you're basically watching a completely different show with all the script changes.
I like how Jimmy firecracker in this version basically asked Mr. S to take credit to calm down as rioting fans
It's funnier that when 16 was first "initialized" for lack of a better term, Cyborg 18 says "there's a soulless machine joke, but that's beneath me." Cell was being "fermented" in the sub-lab beneath them and made the soulless ginge joke after stomping out 16. So the soulless machine joke literally was beneath her.
1:10:59 They didn't call it Super Saiyan 2 until the Buu Saga. It was known as "Ascendant Super Saiyan" here and until it is officially named SS2.
Theyre shook by the white dove like that was TFS, nah that shit was in it fr 😂
34:20 Remember I said take note when Gohan was about to study cellular biology and he said that cells are boring? This is why.
I love seeing that TeamFOurStar is still getting the love they deserve! You guys are luck you get to binge it all. At the time, waiting for a new episode was killer but they made me feel like a child again.
this was a great journey, i've appreciated every moment
1:08:20 The cast of DBZA actually voiced their respective characters in an episode of DBZ Kai. It would have aired if it wasn’t for Toei stepping the day the episode was to air and pulling the plug. While the episode never aired live, some cable on demand services did have the episode up for a brief time.
Just so we have an understanding, the DBZA isn't quite finished yet. There is still a DBZ Abridged Episode 60 epilogue. Also, the "Cell vs." episodes, a few DragonShortz episodes, The Buu bits, and finally, HFIL episodes. So don't fret over the series being over, there is still quite a bit material left to go through.