The Imbaru Engine - How to Complete The Truth & Lies Test Guide (& All Flame Locations) [Destiny 2]
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Destiny 2 Season of the Witch - The Imbaru Engine - How to Complete The Truth & Lies Test Puzzle Guide. Just a quick video showing how to successfully complete "The Truth and Lies Test", all flame locations, and the final rewards and cutscene. Details below.
00:00 - Opaque Card Locaiton
00:42 - Activate the Flames
01:12 - Imbaru Engine Flame Location
01:58 - Altars of Summoning Flame Location
02:34 - Savathun's Spire Flame Location
03:07 - Activate the Flames
03:37 - Truth & Lies Puzzle Solution
05:10 - Dialogue & Rewards
06:57 - Cutscene
Putting the solution into a video would be a nightmare for me, so I'll have a brief explanation here of how I solved it. There's 16 different symbols. In each puzzle room, there's also 4 statues you can activate (16 statues in total). Each statue will show 3 symbols being highlighted. Two of these will be "lies", and one will be a "truth". To narrow these down, you need to activate all 16 statues, and make a note of which 3 symbols were highlighted, and if they had a triangle or circle around it. Think of them as 16 individual groups of 3 to work with. I kept track of these all in a spreadsheet, numbering them 1-16. They appear in the same order for every room, but their starting positions differ. So I went from the order of the "Strength Test", starting from the left of the entrance as 1, and the one in the back corner (nearest the deepsight) as 16.
After that, you need to figure out which is truly a triangle, or which is a circle. You want to find all the symbols that are triangles. You can do this by going through each of the 16 combinations of 3, and figuring out which 1 is the truth, and the other 2 are the lie. Across all of the sets of 3, you'll be able to deduce out which is the actual triangle, and which are circles. It took a little bit of trial and error to get the right results, but once you figure out the first few, the rest sort of fall into place by process of elimination.
If you want to try and make sense of it, here's a picture of my spreadsheet: i.imgur.com/009vPDP.png
So, for example from that screenshot, you can start from one that is always the same symbol in every set of 3. #6 only appears once as a triangle, so we'll start off assuming it's true. The other two options in that column therefore must be a lie (#1 being a circle, and #14 being a circle). From there, I find another column that has #14 (the first column), and because #14 being a circle was a lie, therefore it would be true for it being a triangle. #1 was also in that with being a circle, which would align with it being a lie, and #12 being a triangle also a lie... and so on. You can then build off of that, and narrow down all of the remaining symbols.
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Putting the solution into a video would be a nightmare for me, so I'll have a brief explanation here of how I solved it. There's 16 different symbols. In each puzzle room, there's also 4 statues you can activate (16 statues in total). Each statue will show 3 symbols being highlighted. Two of these will be "lies", and one will be a "truth". To narrow these down, you need to activate all 16 statues, and make a note of which 3 symbols were highlighted, and if they had a triangle or circle around it. Think of them as 16 individual groups of 3 to work with. I kept track of these all in a spreadsheet, numbering them 1-16. They appear in the same order for every room, but their starting positions differ. So I went from the order of the "Strength Test", starting from the left of the entrance as 1, and the one in the back corner (nearest the deepsight) as 16.
After that, you need to figure out which is truly a triangle, or which is a circle. You want to find all the symbols that are triangles. You can do this by going through each of the 16 combinations of 3, and figuring out which 1 is the truth, and the other 2 are the lie. Across all of the sets of 3, you'll be able to deduce out which is the actual triangle, and which are circles. It took a little bit of trial and error to get the right results, but once you figure out the first few, the rest sort of fall into place by process of elimination.
If you want to try and make sense of it, here's a picture of my spreadsheet: i.imgur.com/009vPDP.png
So, for example from that screenshot, you can start from one that is always the same symbol in every set of 3. #6 only appears once as a triangle, so we'll start off assuming it's true. The other two options in that column therefore must be a lie (#1 being a circle, and #14 being a circle). From there, I find another column that has #14 (the first column), and because #14 being a circle was a lie, therefore it would be true for it being a triangle. #1 was also in that with being a circle, which would align with it being a lie, and #12 being a triangle also a lie... and so on. You can then build off of that, and narrow down all of the remaining symbols.
How did you find out which one is truly a triangle within each set?
Wait so what now? Do we have to wait for the next update?
Fuck that. Thanks for figuring it out.
@@a_devils_spark6888 trial and error kind of, and process of elimination. For example, from the screenshot I showed, you can start from one that is always the same symbol. #6 only appears once as a triangle, so build off assuming it's true. The other two options in that column therefore must be a lie (#1 being a circle, and #14 being a circle). From there, I find another column with #14 (the first column), and because #14 being a circle was a lie, therefore it would be true for it being a triangle. #1 was also in that with being a circle, which would align with it being a lie, and #12 being a triangle also a lie... and so on.
@@Esoterickk Thank you for a more detailed explanation. I don't mind using a guide, but I want to know the logic behind a puzzle so I might solve similar ones in the future easier
I think it needs to be said that even after all this time, all these guides and walkthroughs... You still make sure to be as timely and efficient with your content, We all thank you for everything you do
Speaking straight facts. He's honestly the one UA-cam I consistently know I can count on when it comes to this stuff
After all these years we finally have the Last Wish
Can't believe it, thought maybe my wildest dreams would come true first
15th wish?😂
@@drhyde894yea it is. Not sure what’s funny
I’m shocked we got the 15th wish but im happy about it
So convenient given the current situation! Seriously, is anyone still surprised?
I'm glad channels like this exist, because I was on the right track but never thought to activate the thrall statues throughout the rest of the Imbaru Engine.
If i *had*, I guarantee I would've given up just for the time cost alone. Running back and forth and back and forth like some MetroidVania - uh uh - not in MY Destiny.
Nice to see someone else went straight to a spreadsheet to figure this out! :D Thanks for the vid man, great as always :)
Ok now all is said and done this season should easily be considered at least A tier. Forget the other going ons, this has been a very decent season
100% the best of the lightfall seasons
lets be serious its S tier
This season is definitely S tier
As others have said I would definitely call it more than just decent. Imo this is one of the best seasons up there with Opulence, Seraph, Arrivals, Forge, Chosen, & Season of the Deep all of which were my favourites.
c tier at best
Seasonal shader this season is awesome, thanks for the guide please keep it up
thanks for the easy to follow and fast guide just got it done
Thank you for making this so efficient.
Thank you for including attuning at top of tower, other guides aren't saying that
Thank you so much! I was able to get the shader and emblem before the season ends tommorow
The Dreaming city music is so epic, gets me everytime
Dude your videos and editing are amazing! Thank you for creating such high quality content!
For anyone wanting to solve the puzzle but don't know exactly how to decipher the statues (like I did for a while) and are unwilling to search up the answer (or watch the solution in this video):
Do as Esoterickk did and plot the shape of each statue's symbols onto a spreadsheet; statues can be arranged in rows, and symbols can be arranged in columns, but the other way around works as well. Set one of the symbols as symbol 1, the symbol to its right (or left) as symbol 2, etc..
Only statue-symbol combinations with shapes need to be plotted; ignore all shapeless combinations (for both filling in the shapes and for filling in the truths and lies).
You can choose your own values for triangles, circles, truths and lies; I used A for triangles, O for circles, T for truths and L for lies, but Esoterickk's setup works as well (as does any other setup so long as you memorize what each letter means).
For each statue, *always make sure it has exactly ONE truth and exactly TWO lies!*
For each symbol, *always make sure ALL associated triangles have identical values and ALL associated circles have the exact opposite value!*
0. Start with one statue and make an initial assumption about which is the truth;
- Mark the other two as lies;
- This is the start of the whole procedure.
1a. Check each symbol and their shapes;
- If at least one instance is either truth or lie:
- Mark all identical shapes the same (truth for truth, lie for lie);
- Mark all opposing shapes the opposite (lie for truth, truth for lie).
1b. Complete each incomplete statue if they have either:
- *Exactly one truth* (fill the other two with lies) OR
- *Exactly two lies* (fill the missing one with truth)
2a. Verify that each statue has:
- *No more than 1 truth* AND
- *No more than 2 lies*
2b. Verify that none of the symbols have conflicting values, like:
- No truth and lie for the same shape;
- No same value for both triangles and circles
3a. If either verification fails:
- Wipe all answers
- Return to step 0
- Start with a new assumption
3b. If both verifications pass (and the table isn't complete):
- Return to step 1a
- Repeat steps 1a to 3b until the table is complete.
4. Once you've completed the table (and both verifications pass one last time):
- Associate each symbol with the truth;
- If the truth is circle, label it as circle
- If the truth is triangle, label it as triangle
- If the symbol only has one type of shape and they're all lies, the truth will be the other shape.
- Now you have the solution.
5. Back at the final puzzle:
- Activate all symbols that you associated with triangles
- If everything went well, those should be all the *true* triangles there are, completing the puzzle.
_TL;DR (aka. Fast Explanation Mode):_
_Create a 16x16 table in a spreadsheet. Associate each row with a statue, each column with a symbol._
_Fill in each statue-symbol combination with its associated shape (blank for no shape)._
_0. Choose one statue: set one symbol to truth, the other two to lies._
_1a. If symbol has one truth or lie, set all identical shapes to same value, all opposing shapes to other value._
_1b. If incomplete statue has one truth, set other two to lies. If incomplete statue has two lies, set remaining one to truth._
_2. Verify that statues have no more than 1 truth and no more than 2 lies, and symbols have no conflicting values. If verification fails, wipe table and return to step 0._
_3. If verification passed, return to step 1a until all non-blank statue-symbol combinations have values, then perform one final verification._
_4. Set symbols to the truth shape. If truth is triangle, symbol is triangle. If truth is circle, symbol is circle. If symbol only got one shape and it's a lie, symbol is the other shape._
_5. Activate all symbols the spreadsheet says are triangles. If all went well, you win. If not, return to step 0._
Note that I'm making a lot of sketchy assumptions with this TL;DR:... if the TL;DR: is confusing, the long version above has more detailed (and more structured) steps.
I hope this doesn't count as spoilers... I'm not giving the solution, only the means to reach the solution.
Tl;dr holy fuck
If a puzzle requires me to go make a spreadsheet, Im just gonna look up the answer
i still dont udnerstand this ...
You’re amazing! Thank you!
Thank you for the guide Respectfully Javodka 😎👏🏽💯
Thankyou for all you do Eso, never would of got this..
Amazing. Thank you SO much!
Thanks again buddy!! We need to play some gambit soon man!
Thank you, for all your help
thank you so much. What a job u had
I don’t even know how in the actual world I would have been able to solve this. Thank you!
After 5 long years, we finally have the Last Wish!
Not yet unless im not smart enough the full plate is not there
@@vismortis
The full plate was there.
It just seems like the 15th Wish requires only 4 Symbols.
We just don't know which ones.
💀
@@TheCursedCat1927it's like it matters at the moment. Bungo doesn't have the balls to release the final shape tye moment someone figures it out/brute forces the code
@@moopersworthninjason42nd81
It wouldn't do anything either way.
The Wish is simply a tease for Season 23 and we already know it, because they literally just revealed its name (Season of the Wish) alongside Seasonal Armor Ornaments.
Great guide! Thank you
Thank you 🙏 nice work…
This season was a banger. If season 23 is even a bigger one then poggers
Thanks soo much 🎉
That shader is actually amazing
Wow Ty so much sir ur da best
Thank you for taking the time to solve and post the guide.
However I'm missing something because I'm getting "A Parting Gift Arcana required" when trying to start the flames puzzle. Maybe missing some previous Imbaru Engine test or some opaque card ?? I've grabbed the one in this guide but I'm still missing one. Any idea ? Thanks
EDIT: Problem solved. Guess I've forgot to activate the card at the Lectern of Divination...
Eso, you're the goat
Thank you!
thank you so much
Thank you so Much Fela From Ireland 😜
Wow if i haven't used this video i would have no clue how to do this. Lol. Thanks abunch! Awesome 👌 bungie says congratulations to me for solving the puzzle. Nah it was nothing.....really! Easy! 😉👍
Thx for save my time
Thanks for the video glhf
Thanks!
Thank you
How i take the second flame? Can go out engine and them go back?
man i haven't played d2 in a long time and it honestly feels overwhelming with the amount of stuff you need to/can do. i'll stick to watching runs on yt lol.
Don't worry this stuff runs out fast, games shit, don't bother playing it again
Thanks for sharing.
5:29 Fynch was right. There was one last Ahamkara.
The GOAT
Ty ty ✨❤️✨
How do you get to solo queue in altars of summoning?
I did it without grabbing the truth and lie buffs and still got the rewards and everything, so I'm guessing you only need them if you're actually solving the puzzle yourself
That was cool
What does the red or green on the spreadsheet mean?
Wait a second, from your description it sounds like each statue corresponds to a statue in another room. Does statue A in the Cunning test correspond to some statue in the Strength test as well?Am I understand that correctly?
Or are you just talking about how you personally organised them?
The statues in each room don't really matter, just the set of 3 each one provides. Think of them as 16 unique groups of 3, spread across the 4 rooms
i always thought that the "last wish" was the wish that started the curse cycle in the dreaming city...
What happens if you put the wish into the wish wall? (Its on the bottom right of the page on the right in the cutscene)
Just tried and it acted like its an invalid code. Curious to see if it's user error on me somehow though.
@@cthulusaves1473 yea that 1st symbol is blurry af
@Dylan781 the symbols correspond to the 4 clear/non marked through symbols on the left side page. Down bird top row, left standing bird far left, snake bottom row, and left flying bird far right. Just doesn't do anything atm, unless there's something I'm missing.
@@cthulusaves1473 dayum
No the code isn't valid untill next season or whenever they want to make it work
On the papper in the end what happens if we put it in now?
just to save your time i tried the 3 visible symbols with the one covered by finger in cutscene with every symbol possible on the wall but we need to wait until bungie acts :D
Thanks
Am I supposed to get this cutscene too? Cause I very much did not.
So can you actually type in the wish on the wall yet?
So we had to solve the 2 old puzzles to start the quest to get the flames, then complete the 2 old puzzles again to get back to the room to light the torches?
What are exactly those 14 wishes i cant find info, who made them? Ahamkhara can only do 15 wishes max or what?
Do we abandoned the activty to the 2 flame
Have you tried putting in the 15th wish yet?
i figured out the first 3 on my own, but never wouldve figured this out ever. even when i thought i figured out how to do this puzzle, i still didnt. this one was too confusing for my small brain so i gave up and looked it up
Ok so is there just one solution? Or does it change each time you enter?
I did it w/o deepsight and got the flame in the imbaru engine
NO fucking way. This may aswell be one of the biggest revelations in any Destiny story, wth.
I mean Mara kept 1 corrupted egg for herself, but that Savathun was ahead and kept an uncorrupted is insane
So wait, can we put the code into the wish wall or is it like just going towards next season?
I tried every combo with what I saw in the video. Doesn`t seem like you can use it, for now at least.
So savathun did a prisonbreak? So now to put in the final piece in the raid.
Is this a quest ?? I have t played much this season and know idea what this is.
Mara's gonna be happy.
💖
So if we go to the LW raid and put that pattern into the wish wall what happens?
Nothing currently. Most likely gonna be saved for next season.
How do you activate that last Opaque card you clicked on before completing the third engine puzzle? For me it says I have to finish the first-third imabru engine first, but despite collecting all the cards including the new one at the alter of summoning you showed I don't get a prompt to use deepsight to see that first flame? When I go to the Savathuns Spire mission it tells me I have to complete that third imabru engine puzzle, I'm so absolutely fucking lost and need help desperately lmfao
There's 3 puzzles and then the final truth and lies mechanic. The 3rd test is the Navigation test which is relatively simple.
stupid question but how did you get the cinematic ? I just cant manage to start it.
Ho and thanks btw you've been really usefull those last month
Should’ve happened after you finished the imbaru engine and got your rewards
@@gavinhazan1415 Yeah I got it by doing it again and waiting the full minute instead of going back to orbite manually
Does anyone know do you have to get all the stupid cards first before you can do this mission?
Cursebreaker on duty!
guessed the thing at the end halfway through the season and feeling good about it
Cap.
on my life@@JonathanGarcia-nr9yj
5:11 Riven was a mother?
Where is the card to the left of that one? Cant seem to progress without that one
Also in altars of summoning. Gotta break the crystal that's being held by the statue. It's in one of the arenas.
@@jefftraboulsy8631 thank you much appreciated!
I don't see the portal at all and card doesn't let me pick it up from the helm..
That sux, I went to orbit and missed out on the cutscene. I wish there were ways to go back and see them.
Did it all and no cutscene? Help?
you should just wrote down the solution in the description or in-video subtitle: 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12, 16.
You video itself is not very clear which rune should turn on (as triangle )
Ahmakara hunt here we go again
we're gonna hatch the egg to wish to go through the portal
Im test the wish wall for the simbols and nothing is working, like we need the a***** alive to work
It'll probably be the main focus of next season.
Oh shit! 😅
holy shit bungie actully gave us the last wish after what 3 years
5 years
I've been spending like 40 minutes on getting the spire flame because my teammates are flying through everything and won't wait. I keep getting people who are wellskating to the damn portals. Like who the hell does that?
The wish in the cutscene at the end has anyone tried putting it into the wish wall
Doesn’t do anything for now
THE LAST WISH IS REEEAAALL
My game didn't play the cutscene big sad
how do i unlock the powerful offering from the lectern..? its the only thing im missing. do i just need to keep using the powerful offering at the altars of summoning to unlock it..?
Now we know why they didn't sunset the last wish raid
I fuckin KNEW it would be a dragon egg, I feel so vindicated
Damn
The fabled 15th wish 5 years later
i dont understand that true lie puzzle after lighting the braziers....even watching videos i still dont understand it.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
No helm message this week? must be next week then
There was a message from Ikora in the helm
How do you always load into shit solo???? I can’t figure it out
anyone noticed in the drawing it has the symbols that are displayed in the the shattered throne dungeon?
💀
every done last wish or used the wish wall mate?
NANI!?!?!? THE FUUUUUUU!
Does this mean we get to ride a dragon