I am a grown up adult - and I honestly couldn't have dealt with that whole situation with as much grace and humility as Ren did. He is just a class act- now he's asked for help... going to pop that karma straight back at Kujo with v2 Sick Boi and the new song next week. There are a pile of GenX Momma Bears forming up with the rest of the RENagades and the Reactors to support that sweetheart of a human being.
Im ready to fight for the new version of Sick Boi. The choral singing is great, but Ren can create his own anthem that millions of loyal RENegades will get behind & promote harder than ever before
I'm kinds hoping he reached out to the Bulgarian choir and get them to perform in the video, get them their money and give this little money grabber and gf the most satisfying middle finger ever
Did Kujo not know what Ren did with Dotta, not many could wipe the floor with them, whilst also taking the higher ground! Roll on next Thursday...game on!✊🏻
Dotta was just being a clout chaser/anti Ren for views, and Ren saw that and gave him the benefit of the doubt and raised Dotta's ship along with his own. Kujo is in a whole other league. Forget rising tides, it'll be a tsunami sinking his little row boat.
@@MsCheesemonster13 as we would say in Scotland Kujos "pissed in his own chips" who's going to buy a beat from this guy, it might be stolen, or land you in court. I can see why Kujo didn't want this to go public, it clearly makes him look like the greedy opportunist he is.
@@supertuscans9512 I mean he definitely made bad choices but to me it seems like Kujo is just doing what his lawyer tells him and they do not care if it is Ren or who, they just go through the standard procedure. They are probably not gonna go for any outside of the box solution (and they won´t care about anyone´s reputation).
Ren was very generous and civil about it ,in my opinion,and offered a couple outs with kujo actually making a plus from it and he still declined and got petty. Now it's Rens play 😂
Ren went above and beyond to rectify this situation with that guy. He didn't have to at all,it just speaks volumes,about his great character. Kujo please do us all a favour and go away.
Joe E Sparkes, thank you for clarifying...i know songwriters treat their songs like their babies You get a little bit famous and vultures start attacking.
Chris Webby has also put a post out that he will be Whitelisting his music for reactors (including retroactively), after working with Ren I think he sees how valuable Reaction channels are to independent artists.
some folks been re- uploading sick boi! So had another listen! Good for Ren - and people now on notice that they need to be careful where they get their beats from. Love your reactions. All the best from the uk
Cannot wait to hear the Kujo Beat Down and watch the reaction community get behind it…….reactors assembling as we speak…..so good to see the community that has built behind Ren and his music mobilising in real time 💜🥺
All I could think of when Kujo rejected the collab was that scene in Pretty Woman where she goes back to the shop that wouldn't serve her with all the bags of stuff she bought elsewhere. "Big mistake. HUGE."
I believe we are witnessing “How to be a genius 101”. Ren is giving a lesson on “How to not be blackmailed “ and so much more! Stay tuned because we are watching “what would a genius do….” REN WILL SPIN GOLD HERE🥰
Exactly what i said, who in their right mind says no 😲 that man could have made a shed load and worked with a sick artist, this is just pure greed smh, thanks Joe E ❤
I have a feeling Ren is going to be very emotional at the amount of support he's going to see, Be ready with the tissues. Thanks Joe for your support for our Best Boi.
It really blows my mind that Kujo turned down the opportunity of a lifetime - turn this thing around, work with Ren, and split it 50/50! He could have come out of this smelling like roses ... now see what happens because of greed?
Kujo's loss. IMO. Ren continues to be upfront, genuine and humble, but I'm so glad he didn't bend just to appease someone because this was NOT his issue to "solve" for Kujo. I'm hyped for next week, and for the re-make of Sick Boi.
I think Kujo's lawyer was driving the push, to get paid his retainer / fees and getting a pay off. Kujo may had been thinking to get the pay off to pay for his lawyer and the infringement costs / immediate get out of debt free card. I think if Kujo was not facing the infringement costs, that he may had worked with Ren (but who knows, just a guess). Even though working with Ren would had been the best thing that ever happened to him.
@@travis9820 my gut feeling is when he got tagged for the stolen sample he got a lawyer and between the lawyer and the girlfriend they've concocted this shit-ton of money to be made narrative not realizing that Ren would essentially delete the song from the public before compromising the master rights. I really think that is the reason he didn't take the new song deal- his lawyer told him not to cuz the lawyer knew if it went that direction he wouldn't see crap out of it. Honestly I'd be really surprised if he doesn't have other stuff up for licensing that also has illegal samples.
@@celtzen Yep selling beats with stolen samples to two-bit artists that get little view/numbers so the "stolen" samples never get heard by anyone who would question a stolen sample. Ren's blows up and a lot of people hear it including the choir (the sample) rep. "Hey, I never sold that sample to him".
@@celtzen I think the lawyer is actually offered by the site where he sold the beat. I think he mentioned something about that at some point (it seemed like he was not paying the lawyer, but Beatstars is). But sure, the copyright infringement probably means Kujo NEEDS to find a lot of money to pay himself out of that.
What Cujo seems not to understand is the depth, width and worth of Ren. He seems to think that because he is a genuinely good guy, he must be naive. There was never a greater miscalculation made 😂 Thanks Joe xxx
Loved seeing you proudly waving your Sick Boi CD and your support for our solid upstanding gent (enjoyed your Ren "Bruv" impersonation 😂). Can't wait to see your reaction to the Kujo Beatdown video which I'm about to watch next - think you'll especially love the cinematography playing to the dramatic tension
I would not be surprised if Ren has approached the Bulgarian choir and been able to get permission to use the choir sample legally with his own produced beat when he has announced he is redoing the original Sick Boi track and sticking the proverbial finger up to Kujo.
Isn't odd that Ren offered to make music with him which would have benefited him alot more in terms of money, getting his own music out there and he declined because as he said he just "wants to get his bag".
I have that same Ltd album, I won't listen to it, I don't want to have to destroy it after listening, so I also got the Digital Download as well lol......
Nicely put as always. I thought I'd already subscribed to your channel but hadn't. Now I have. If nothing else we now have a new word to mean 'incredibly stupid' rather than 'Rabid Dog'.
Check out Caskey MGM and you’ll hear the sample. Another artist that used it was D Smoke with Snoop. Legit Kujobeats has nothing to stand on. Really REN could have gone after him in courts and would have won. Now Kujo looks like an idiot for not taking Rens offer 😂😂
You know in movie cujo messed up by sniffing around the wrong rabbit hole! Then he tried bullying the wrong person. Shouldn't mess with someones baby and that was Rens baby
REN has enough to deal with with health problems and now this. This jealousy and the lure to make money is going to slam in Kujos face. Keep going Joey
OK, Yeah...This is going to be a long spiel... But a Diss is for fun really and NOTHING about this issue is funny. This is Ren's life, his career and his wellbeing that's being attacked here. A rising tide doesn't just raise all ships, it also attracts parasites who try to cling to the hull. We do have to question whether the lawyer that Kujo grabbed, came on board and thought, "Ah yes! An Independent Artist without the 'legal grunt' /protection of a Big Name Label, Lets go!" All of this smells bad, and I'm also not sure whether Ren has had the best legal advice thus far. Apparently there's also a Music Attorney, - with her own site - also getting involved? Hopefully she's across all the wrinkles that apply across international borders / deals, as laws can vary widely, country to country and even state to state. Ren needs to step carefully here about who 'represents' him, and costs. It is good that he has documented everything - in fine detail. >> Now, I'm NOT a Lawyer- but there are some BIG Questions here that a very good and ethical Lawyer might give an opinion on. >>> These being:- # Is there any legal basis for Kujo coming after Ren for profits of a product which Ren bought "in good faith" from him as a licenced 'Beat Seller'? # OR Is it Ren who can go after Kujo for selling him a product that, unbeknownst to him, as the purchaser, contained a component of which was (allegedly) obtained illegally? # Does any of Kujo's / his lawyer's'/ his girlfriend's actions / statements / communications of all types -constitite/ meet the legal definition of: A) Harrassment B) Blackmaiil & / or C) Extortion? Ie: Is: i) demanding monies without a solidly established Legal basis - ii} within a timeline, not agreed to by both parties, and iii) accompanied by threats to act to damage the other party's: Income, Reputation, Career - not going to meet at least one of the above? ( A > C?) # Was the aim, not to 'Win', (not go all the way through to a lengthy and costly court case) but to Intimidate / bully Ren into giving them some 'bugger off' money /or a profit % split, just to end the hassle (harrassment?) quickly? {This is common tactic - was it played here?) THEN, as I understand it, Kujo and his legal adviser went ahead and Triggered a Copyright Strike? (Or was it the original owner of the Beat that Kujo (allegedly} obtained / sold illegally?} THIS brings SEVERAL New Questions: 1] Can the Financial Losses Ren is currently suffering, by having his Song and No. 1. Album! taken down, be recovered from Kujo? And / or Kujo's Lawyer? { And if so; how long would it take? What would it cost? Would it be worth it? Or is Kujo / his business an 'empty pot' ? and he'd just declare bankruptsy? Or, if deemed to run into the $ Millions, maybe even Debtor's Prison?} 2] What about Reputational & Psychological Injuries? There ARE $ Amounts / Damages potentially attached to these, and these might be potentially large ones? Particularly given that they went after someone who has openly talked about his health and mental health vulnerabilities / challenges. { viewed by most Courts are 'Especiallly Heinous' } # And CRITICALLY:- What is UA-cam's role here? I imagine that UA-cam would have a competent Legal Team, that would be sitting up now and paying close attention to these events. If THEY determined, or even suspected, that their own Copyright Strike Processes and Procedures were / had been deliberately and/or illegally manipulated in order to maliciously harrass, damage, or even extort an Artist - by knocking down their independently developed content - would THEY be going after Kujo & Co. ( independently of any action REN chose, or not ), to investigate further or even sue? For if there IS a loop hole in their system that can be exploited in this manner, then not only do they need to close it, and promptly, but also probably make an example of anyone who has done so - to discourage any like minded characters in future. # And finally; I do soooo hope that the girlfriend of Kujo made the threat to 'have Ren 'Kneecapped'' via some text or email, or in front of a witness? Perhaps Ren had a friend present who overheard this verbal threat? (Criminal Intent.) And that the appropriate legal consequences follow. So, it would be very interesting to have a legal opinion on these questions. And, at the end of the day, 'tis up to Ren, after obtaining all information possible, to then sit back and determine how much further time and energy he is willing, and able, to expend on this matter, and whether the outcomes would be worth it. But also, to consider whether his decisions now, perhaps an urge driven by distress, to make haste to close the door on this chapter (a legitimate reason) will stand the test of time? That is, further down the track, "when the kettle is off the boil" would he make the same decisons or have some regrets? Not an easy question to answer when one is bombarded internally and externally with competing stressors and choices. And there is never 'one right answer' - there is only the one that was right for you at the time, with the resources to hand. Ren will come to his own decisions that are right for him, and he doesn't have to justify these to anyone else, including to us; his 'Concerned Renegades' 😊🥰
Nope, I saw a comment answered by Ren, "this will not have the same outcome as the king Dotta diss". This is real anger. Not "showing some annoyance" but wants to turn it into a positive for all involved. Ren is truly pissed because this greedy twat wants money and will f*ck Ren (or try to) to get it. He doesn't care what that song meant to Ren. Greedy.
I would be curious if anyone has looked at other beats kujo sold and whether he has stolen samples before. I can't imagine that this was a one time thing with Ren.
Sick boi back up on utube Joe. Ren met with utube today. See his post today!! Not sure if will stay up indefinitely. But Ren explained it was all underhanded shit.they reversed it
Absolutely wild that kujo can try to go after Ren for “his bag” when he’s the one costing artists money. He cost Ren money, and he didn’t pay for his own sample.
Unfortunately some "Renegades" have been verbally abusive to Kujo even though Ren has asked everyone to leave out the hate and I have also seen some people on videos supporting Kujo making the whole thing about race. Ren must be so upset with all of this as it not something he stands for, he is all about bringing people together. xxx
@@kellyt5341I don't know, someone in the comments of a video I saw the other day was saying something about entitled white guys after saying something supportive of Kujo. To be honest I didn't pay too much attention as I was just skimming to get an idea of his side of the matter so maybe I jumbled it all up in which case I apologise. xx
@@sharonbunn2363 they want attention bad enough to be " negative " to anyone including a sweetheart like Ren, some toxic friend of "K" or someone getting something from "k" to join the hate on Ren. Probably number one, the negative attention.
Basically, Kujo got into a mess and he is trying to get Ren to pay for his mess. Kujo's argument seems to be, you should have checked whether or not I stole it before you used but either way I want more money from this thing I stole.
Love to you Mr Joe E and def love to @RenMakesMusic 💚💚💚🦠🦠🦠He’s always our Sick Boi - this song means the world to me. That song helped me and still helps me.
Here for the shit talk next Thursday and trust me as a 70 year old English grandma that is something I never imagined I would ever say 😂 Go Team Ren x
Love you my lady ❤
I totally agree.
69 yr old American grandma here n im with u on Ren...He's a "A rising tide that lifts all Ships"...RENagade for life💝
@@RoxyKandyKoRn55 57 I couldn't agree more.
72 in Sweden, and spitting fire
I am a grown up adult - and I honestly couldn't have dealt with that whole situation with as much grace and humility as Ren did. He is just a class act- now he's asked for help... going to pop that karma straight back at Kujo with v2 Sick Boi and the new song next week. There are a pile of GenX Momma Bears forming up with the rest of the RENagades and the Reactors to support that sweetheart of a human being.
Damn right, We momma/grandma bears got Ren's back...
Yes ma’am!!😊❤
Love that, renegades ❤
Your genuine pissed-off-ness in this video made me love you even more.
"THIS My Page!! We can talk some shit over here!!"
Im ready to fight for the new version of Sick Boi. The choral singing is great, but Ren can create his own anthem that millions of loyal RENegades will get behind & promote harder than ever before
Maybe he cleared the sample with the bulgarian choir himself for the new song and built the new beat with them. Would be doubly sick. :D
I'm kinds hoping he reached out to the Bulgarian choir and get them to perform in the video, get them their money and give this little money grabber and gf the most satisfying middle finger ever
@rachelharris2786 that would be amazing, and I think Ren would be able to pull it off, as long as the choir & their team agree to it.
Did Kujo not know what Ren did with Dotta, not many could wipe the floor with them, whilst also taking the higher ground! Roll on next Thursday...game on!✊🏻
And Dotta was in the chat today, supportin
@@denalinde I did notice that, it was good to see him supporting Ren.
Only Ren could diss someone and in the process, convert them into a supporter and a fan. I have no interest in Dotta's music, but I can respect him.
Dotta was just being a clout chaser/anti Ren for views, and Ren saw that and gave him the benefit of the doubt and raised Dotta's ship along with his own. Kujo is in a whole other league. Forget rising tides, it'll be a tsunami sinking his little row boat.
The difference this time round is Ren has gone full out and produced a full blown song/beat and a video to boot, Kujo be warned brother lol
I almost teared up listening to him talk about what the song means to him and his fans. Can’t wait for the new song and your reaction!
Same- and I was sitting at my desk at work.. but then the pissed off kicked in... bright blessings Jade!
Same. This breaks my heart and makes me madder than hell
So did Ren
@@paul-soundaffectednods- think that was where my pissed off kicked in..
Thanks for being one of the creators to answer the Ren-signal!
Sorry I was late. Was visiting Uncle.
Oh boy, Ren writing a song that comes from anger.
VERY personal anger.
Holy cats, it is going to be SOMETHING.
Hi Dawn hope you are well not seen you in a while ❤❤❤
"holy cats"😂😂😂 hope you don't mind if I steal that
@@ashleyharris1589 No worries. ❤🤗❤
Not only is Kujo’s reputation now in tatters, he has upset Ren’s loyal fans!!! 😡
Unfortunately for Ren in dealing with Kugot , Ren instead of finding himself dealing with rational, found himself dealing with the terminally stupid.
@@MsCheesemonster13 as we would say in Scotland Kujos "pissed in his own chips" who's going to buy a beat from this guy, it might be stolen, or land you in court.
I can see why Kujo didn't want this to go public, it clearly makes him look like the greedy opportunist he is.
@@supertuscans9512 I mean he definitely made bad choices but to me it seems like Kujo is just doing what his lawyer tells him and they do not care if it is Ren or who, they just go through the standard procedure. They are probably not gonna go for any outside of the box solution (and they won´t care about anyone´s reputation).
Essentially Kujo was selling stolen goods and then passing the blame and getting greedy
Thanks for your support for Ren, Kujo meshed up,
Ren new version will be awesome
Go REN
Ren was very generous and civil about it ,in my opinion,and offered a couple outs with kujo actually making a plus from it and he still declined and got petty. Now it's Rens play 😂
Ren went above and beyond to rectify this situation with that guy.
He didn't have to at all,it just speaks volumes,about his great character.
Kujo please do us all a favour and go away.
You were spitting straight bars at the beginning of your reaction the renegades are ticked off
Joe so mad, it made him rhyme!
😂😂😂
😂 he's so funny
Loved it 😅👏👏👏
Kujo bout to find out he done fucked up
Here to support Ren and the best reactors. Thank you ❤❤❤
Joe E Sparkes, thank you for clarifying...i know songwriters treat their songs like their babies
You get a little bit famous and vultures start attacking.
Here for this!! Ren for the win!
Facts Joe. See you at the day. ❤
Chris Webby has also put a post out that he will be Whitelisting his music for reactors (including retroactively), after working with Ren I think he sees how valuable Reaction channels are to independent artists.
"Let me tell you a story about a boy named Kujo......" - Money Game PT 4
😂
some folks been re- uploading sick boi! So had another listen! Good for Ren - and people now on notice that they need to be careful where they get their beats from.
Love your reactions. All the best from the uk
Cannot wait to hear the Kujo Beat Down and watch the reaction community get behind it…….reactors assembling as we speak…..so good to see the community that has built behind Ren and his music mobilising in real time 💜🥺
Joe E got bars. 😂😂😂
All I could think of when Kujo rejected the collab was that scene in Pretty Woman where she goes back to the shop that wouldn't serve her with all the bags of stuff she bought elsewhere. "Big mistake. HUGE."
I had that thought too!
I believe we are witnessing “How to be a genius 101”. Ren is giving a lesson on “How to not be blackmailed “ and so much more! Stay tuned because we are watching “what would a genius do….” REN WILL SPIN GOLD HERE🥰
Thank you for the explanation. I've been living under a rock and had no idea what was going on.
Loved your explanation of Ren's situation! So proud to be part of your community, one that supports Ren 💯 % and ya, looking forward to Thursday ❤😊
Luv u Joe Sparks...Thanks for being real...💝
Can’t wait for the new track😂
#FREESICKBOI
Exactly what i said, who in their right mind says no 😲 that man could have made a shed load and worked with a sick artist, this is just pure greed smh, thanks Joe E ❤
Dotta's looking forward to this drop, and I heart that so hard.
I have a feeling Ren is going to be very emotional at the amount of support he's going to see, Be ready with the tissues.
Thanks Joe for your support for our Best Boi.
Thank you for being SO supportive of Ren, and being a voice of reason in the crazy situation. Roll on next Thursday. 💪🔥
LESSS GOOO
Here for it!!!!!!! We scooped the same CD version. Lol
I love Justice, I love Ren. 🤍⚖️🤍 love you Set Gang yrrrrrr 🪑 🌻
It really blows my mind that Kujo turned down the opportunity of a lifetime - turn this thing around, work with Ren, and split it 50/50! He could have come out of this smelling like roses ... now see what happens because of greed?
Loved the rhyme! Joe E got bars! 💜
I will be here for it Bro! 100%! Freesickboi!!
Thanks for sharing 🤗 be there or be square boi.. 😊😜
KUJO BEAT DOWN OUT ON ALL STREAMING PLATFORMS NEXT THURSDAY 9/5/24. AT 7PM UK TIME!!!! LETS GOOOOOOO
Great that you are reacting to this!
Thank you for doing this Joe, love you ❤😊
See you next Thursday 😊
Kujo's loss. IMO. Ren continues to be upfront, genuine and humble, but I'm so glad he didn't bend just to appease someone because this was NOT his issue to "solve" for Kujo. I'm hyped for next week, and for the re-make of Sick Boi.
Kujo saying that Ren's music sucks, does that mean what Kujo sold to Ren sucks and that makes Kujo's music suck 🤔 Much love to you Joe E. ❤
#Freesickboi
#KUJOBEATDOWN
I cannot wait for the resurrection of SIC BOI 🎉🎉🎉 and the diss but more for the resurrection...
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I think Kujo's lawyer was driving the push, to get paid his retainer / fees and getting a pay off. Kujo may had been thinking to get the pay off to pay for his lawyer and the infringement costs / immediate get out of debt free card. I think if Kujo was not facing the infringement costs, that he may had worked with Ren (but who knows, just a guess). Even though working with Ren would had been the best thing that ever happened to him.
@@travis9820 my gut feeling is when he got tagged for the stolen sample he got a lawyer and between the lawyer and the girlfriend they've concocted this shit-ton of money to be made narrative not realizing that Ren would essentially delete the song from the public before compromising the master rights. I really think that is the reason he didn't take the new song deal- his lawyer told him not to cuz the lawyer knew if it went that direction he wouldn't see crap out of it. Honestly I'd be really surprised if he doesn't have other stuff up for licensing that also has illegal samples.
@@celtzen Yep selling beats with stolen samples to two-bit artists that get little view/numbers so the "stolen" samples never get heard by anyone who would question a stolen sample. Ren's blows up and a lot of people hear it including the choir (the sample) rep. "Hey, I never sold that sample to him".
@@celtzen I think the lawyer is actually offered by the site where he sold the beat. I think he mentioned something about that at some point (it seemed like he was not paying the lawyer, but Beatstars is).
But sure, the copyright infringement probably means Kujo NEEDS to find a lot of money to pay himself out of that.
What Cujo seems not to understand is the depth, width and worth of Ren. He seems to think that because he is a genuinely good guy, he must be naive. There was never a greater miscalculation made 😂
Thanks Joe xxx
From what Ren said, the video is a big one. Your reaction will be the one I'm looking forward to most for visuals as always!
Ren gonna hit him with a dope track, thats his "power"
This will be epic, I can’t wait 😁
Great to see you getting behind our boi
Oh we will be talking that shit 🎉
Joe I don't think I've ever seen you so animated! Respect.
I’m there!
YEP! He has no idea what's coming! Thanks Joe E! ❤
Loved seeing you proudly waving your Sick Boi CD and your support for our solid upstanding gent (enjoyed your Ren "Bruv" impersonation 😂). Can't wait to see your reaction to the Kujo Beatdown video which I'm about to watch next - think you'll especially love the cinematography playing to the dramatic tension
I will still be catching your reaction even though its late
I would not be surprised if Ren has approached the Bulgarian choir and been able to get permission to use the choir sample legally with his own produced beat when he has announced he is redoing the original Sick Boi track and sticking the proverbial finger up to Kujo.
Thank you. I loved your reaction. Peace
Will be back for your reaction. Appreciate your following of his work & I plan on continuing the trend ❤
🔥🔥🔥
Isn't odd that Ren offered to make music with him which would have benefited him alot more in terms of money, getting his own music out there and he declined because as he said he just "wants to get his bag".
I have that same Ltd album, I won't listen to it, I don't want to have to destroy it after listening, so I also got the Digital Download as well lol......
#FreeSickBoi
#RESELIENCE
Nicely put as always. I thought I'd already subscribed to your channel but hadn't. Now I have.
If nothing else we now have a new word to mean 'incredibly stupid' rather than 'Rabid Dog'.
Kujo is a baby back BiTCI-I
Renegades need to make next week’s Ren drop explode
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Kujo's a dead dog on Thursday 😭 messed with the wrong man this time, has he not heard of 'King Dotta'? RIP Kujo 🐶🕇😂.
Check out Caskey MGM and you’ll hear the sample. Another artist that used it was D Smoke with Snoop. Legit Kujobeats has nothing to stand on. Really REN could have gone after him in courts and would have won. Now Kujo looks like an idiot for not taking Rens offer 😂😂
Juno should ask King Dora about messing with Ren
You know in movie cujo messed up by sniffing around the wrong rabbit hole! Then he tried bullying the wrong person. Shouldn't mess with someones baby and that was Rens baby
7 pm in London is 11 am on the west coast of the US, according to GOOGLE.
It's wild to see the ridiculous things people will do when they only think short-term. Guess that explains a lot of messes we're seeing.
Huge*oe clearly didn't do his research before getting in the ring with Ren! Soooo psyched for the drop later today :)
REN has enough to deal with with health problems and now this. This jealousy and the lure to make money is going to slam in Kujos face. Keep going Joey
Ren is the winner 🥊
OK, Yeah...This is going to be a long spiel...
But a Diss is for fun really and NOTHING about this issue is funny. This is Ren's life, his career and his wellbeing that's being attacked here.
A rising tide doesn't just raise all ships, it also attracts parasites who try to cling to the hull.
We do have to question whether the lawyer that Kujo grabbed, came on board and thought, "Ah yes! An Independent Artist without the 'legal grunt' /protection of a Big Name Label, Lets go!"
All of this smells bad, and I'm also not sure whether Ren has had the best legal advice thus far. Apparently there's also a Music Attorney, - with her own site - also getting involved? Hopefully she's across all the wrinkles that apply across international borders / deals, as laws can vary widely, country to country and even state to state.
Ren needs to step carefully here about who 'represents' him, and costs. It is good that he has documented everything - in fine detail.
>> Now, I'm NOT a Lawyer- but there are some BIG Questions here that a very good and ethical Lawyer might give an opinion on.
>>> These being:-
# Is there any legal basis for Kujo coming after Ren for profits of a product which Ren bought "in good faith" from him as a licenced 'Beat Seller'?
# OR Is it Ren who can go after Kujo for selling him a product that, unbeknownst to him, as the purchaser, contained a component of which was (allegedly) obtained illegally?
# Does any of Kujo's / his lawyer's'/ his girlfriend's actions / statements / communications of all types -constitite/ meet the legal definition of:
A) Harrassment B) Blackmaiil & / or C) Extortion? Ie: Is:
i) demanding monies without a solidly established Legal basis -
ii} within a timeline, not agreed to by both parties, and
iii) accompanied by threats to act to damage the other party's: Income, Reputation, Career - not going to meet at least one of the above? ( A > C?)
# Was the aim, not to 'Win', (not go all the way through to a lengthy and costly court case) but to Intimidate / bully Ren into giving them some 'bugger off' money /or a profit % split, just to end the hassle (harrassment?) quickly? {This is common tactic - was it played here?)
THEN, as I understand it, Kujo and his legal adviser went ahead and Triggered a Copyright Strike? (Or was it the original owner of the Beat that Kujo (allegedly} obtained / sold illegally?}
THIS brings SEVERAL New Questions:
1] Can the Financial Losses Ren is currently suffering, by having his Song and No. 1. Album! taken down, be recovered from Kujo? And / or Kujo's Lawyer? {
And if so; how long would it take? What would it cost? Would it be worth it? Or is Kujo / his business an 'empty pot' ? and he'd just declare bankruptsy? Or, if deemed to run into the $ Millions, maybe even Debtor's Prison?}
2] What about Reputational & Psychological Injuries?
There ARE $ Amounts / Damages potentially attached to these, and these might be potentially large ones? Particularly given that they went after someone who has openly talked about his health and mental health vulnerabilities / challenges. { viewed by most Courts are 'Especiallly Heinous' }
# And CRITICALLY:- What is UA-cam's role here?
I imagine that UA-cam would have a competent Legal Team, that would be sitting up now and paying close attention to these events.
If THEY determined, or even suspected, that their own Copyright Strike Processes and Procedures were / had been deliberately and/or illegally manipulated in order to maliciously harrass, damage, or even extort an Artist - by knocking down their independently developed content - would THEY be going after Kujo & Co. ( independently of any action REN chose, or not ), to investigate further or even sue?
For if there IS a loop hole in their system that can be exploited in this manner, then not only do they need to close it, and promptly, but also probably make an example of anyone who has done so - to discourage any like minded characters in future.
# And finally; I do soooo hope that the girlfriend of Kujo made the threat to 'have Ren 'Kneecapped'' via some text or email, or in front of a witness? Perhaps Ren had a friend present who overheard this verbal threat? (Criminal Intent.) And that the appropriate legal consequences follow.
So, it would be very interesting to have a legal opinion on these questions.
And, at the end of the day, 'tis up to Ren, after obtaining all information possible, to then sit back and determine how much further time and energy he is willing, and able, to expend on this matter, and whether the outcomes would be worth it.
But also, to consider whether his decisions now, perhaps an urge driven by distress, to make haste to close the door on this chapter (a legitimate reason) will stand the test of time? That is, further down the track, "when the kettle is off the boil" would he make the same decisons or have some regrets? Not an easy question to answer when one is bombarded internally and externally with competing stressors and choices. And there is never 'one right answer' - there is only the one that was right for you at the time, with the resources to hand.
Ren will come to his own decisions that are right for him, and he doesn't have to justify these to anyone else, including to us; his 'Concerned Renegades'
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RENEGADES WILL PREVAIL!!!
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Wonder if Ren goes the same way as he did with Dotta, tear him a new one then offer an olive branch?
Nope, I saw a comment answered by Ren, "this will not have the same outcome as the king Dotta diss". This is real anger. Not "showing some annoyance" but wants to turn it into a positive for all involved. Ren is truly pissed because this greedy twat wants money and will f*ck Ren (or try to) to get it. He doesn't care what that song meant to Ren. Greedy.
I would be curious if anyone has looked at other beats kujo sold and whether he has stolen samples before. I can't imagine that this was a one time thing with Ren.
Sick boi back up on utube Joe. Ren met with utube today. See his post today!! Not sure if will stay up indefinitely. But Ren explained it was all underhanded shit.they reversed it
Absolutely wild that kujo can try to go after Ren for “his bag” when he’s the one costing artists money. He cost Ren money, and he didn’t pay for his own sample.
Unfortunately some "Renegades" have been verbally abusive to Kujo even though Ren has asked everyone to leave out the hate and I have also seen some people on videos supporting Kujo making the whole thing about race. Ren must be so upset with all of this as it not something he stands for, he is all about bringing people together. xxx
I saw an interview with Kujo, besides being arrogant and toxic he looked white to me with bleached blond hair. How can race be brought in?
@@kellyt5341I don't know, someone in the comments of a video I saw the other day was saying something about entitled white guys after saying something supportive of Kujo. To be honest I didn't pay too much attention as I was just skimming to get an idea of his side of the matter so maybe I jumbled it all up in which case I apologise. xx
@@sharonbunn2363 they want attention bad enough to be " negative " to anyone including a sweetheart like Ren, some toxic friend of "K" or someone getting something from "k" to join the hate on Ren. Probably number one, the negative attention.
Basically, Kujo got into a mess and he is trying to get Ren to pay for his mess. Kujo's argument seems to be, you should have checked whether or not I stole it before you used but either way I want more money from this thing I stole.
Exactly
REN needs to talk to Taylor Swift about the masters!
Why would he talk to the epitome of "industry?" lol
@@LocaButt Got to agree. That place is a blood bath. People disappear for those issues if they are not apart of the "family".
Love to you Mr Joe E and def love to @RenMakesMusic 💚💚💚🦠🦠🦠He’s always our Sick Boi - this song means the world to me. That song helped me and still helps me.
That 'your music sucks' was so childish. Says a lot about the type of guy K is.
please delete your old sick boi reaction in support.