Windsor and the Cleveland are two different blocks! In the USA they made the 351 and 400 in the Cleveland block. The Windsor blocks were 223; 260; 289; 302; 351.... In Australia the Cleveland were sold in 302 which wasn't available in the USA.
Yes you are correct, the Windsor and the Cleveland are two different blocks! In the USA they made the 351 and 400 in the Cleveland block. In Australia they were sold in 302 which wasn't available in the USA.
I don't know where you dig up or get your facts from to make wild claims like this The John Goss falcon came about more to do with Ford Australia trying to get rid of their hardtop bodyshells, as sales had decreased in the previous 2 years. The fact that he won Bathurst in an XA Falcon GT with a 351 motor, compared to his so-called Bathurst special being an XB GT with a 302. It was far from " legendary ", as most people would prefer a proper GT with a 351
The 302 Cleveland is an Australia only engine, keep your hands off it, it's a legend like the Barra 6. Why are you showing Windsor engines if your talking about Cleveland, I think your extremely confused!
I had a factory fitted 302 Cleveland Australian Ford Falcon, the best thing I ever did was fit a 351C crank and rods and a Crane cam, turned a yawn engine into a woohoo engine
John Goss coupe came out from factory with Australian 302 cleavland block casting which has thicker/more metal everywhere ! Also cleavlands the thermostat housing bolts to the block not the inlet manifold
302 Cleveland is an Australian version off the 351 Cleveland Australia manufactured its own engines in Geelong Australia yes it was originally a American design but only Australia made 302 Cleveland engines
Ford Australia developed the 302 version of the 351 Ceveland, simply to avoid paying Australian Government import duties on 302W engines that were not built in Australia. The 351C was. The regulations at the time required 80% locally made content in Australian made cars, to avoid heavy tax penalties. Using the locally made 302C, enabled them to avoid paying that penalty and keep the prices of their locally built cars down, so they could remain price competitive with GM Holden, who made all their engines, from 4 cyl, 6cyl and 8cyl in Australia.
Total b/s from the start, I made under 20 sec. 302C was an Australian engine using a 351C block with a 3" stroke crank. Big heavy lump but an ok bread and butter street engine. It has no similarity to the Boss 302 which has a version of 4V Clevo heads on the smaller physically 302 Windsor. Good spec for racing maybe but they have no bottom end as the heads are like all 4Vs way too large. Terrible engine in traffic, I have driven a near stock one,,, and it had 3.7 diff gears. The 302C heads however work ok on a 351 making a driveable engine. Some use them on 302Ws and end up with a half decent engine
The 302 was just another one of what are unofficially called Ford Windsor V8s. That included the 221, 255( early 80s only) 260, 289, 302 and 351W. Only the 351W is defined by where it was manufactured Windsor Ontario. It was also completely different design from the 351 Cleveland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_small_block_engine
@@gk5891 You are right about the 335 production dates. I never before heard of a 302 that was built for the Australian market. I never understood why the BIG 3 had different cars for the Australian market. Adding right hand drive to existing U.S. models would have been much simpler than changing all of the sheet metal.
@@JohnZupanc Ford produced the low deck Clevelands (As opposed to 400 height) all the way to '82. It's were DeTomaso was getting their Pantera engines (that car was available long after the Mercury deal lapsed). Those closed chamber heads with 2V ports make great street heads for the Cleveland. Ford Motorsports sold them in the 80s after Australia ceased engine production.
NOPE All BS, Your all confused between the Australian "G" Cleveland and the Windsor. The "G" casting mark on the Australian Cleveland block meant the block was made in the Geelong foundry Melbourne Australia.
i hate the garbage videos on our Aussie muscle cars..John Goss wanted the 351..but Ford did not want his car competing with sales of the GT !!! so he was stuck with the 302 Australian engine..
Man, you better make friends with Google, because this video is so inaccurate it's not funny. Only Australia made the Ford 302 Cleveland. Like it's big brother the 351 Cleveland, which Australia imported from the States to use in our cars, until we started making the Cleveland out here. This information is so easy to find. No wonder some young people do not know jack at times, with so much incorrect crap being on the net.
You heading did not correspond with your content … I was expecting something remarkable to be said about the 302 but I got nothing…your video was deceptive …! And the music was annoying …!
Windsor and the Cleveland are two different blocks! In the USA they made the 351 and 400 in the Cleveland block. The Windsor blocks were 223; 260; 289; 302; 351.... In Australia the Cleveland were sold in 302 which wasn't available in the USA.
Wasn't the 302 Clevo an Australian innovation? As opposed to the USA 302W with Clevo heads for the Boss.
Yes you are correct, the Windsor and the Cleveland are two different blocks! In the USA they made the 351 and 400 in the Cleveland block. In Australia they were sold in 302 which wasn't available in the USA.
Wow some mixed up information here
You have no idea what you are talking about
This fool is terribly misinformed.
I don't know where you dig up or get your facts from to make wild claims like this
The John Goss falcon came about more to do with Ford Australia trying to get rid of their hardtop bodyshells, as sales had decreased in the previous 2 years.
The fact that he won Bathurst in an XA Falcon GT with a 351 motor, compared to his so-called Bathurst special being an XB GT with a 302.
It was far from " legendary ", as most people would prefer a proper GT with a 351
The 302 Cleveland is an Australia only engine, keep your hands off it, it's a legend like the Barra 6. Why are you showing Windsor engines if your talking about Cleveland, I think your extremely confused!
5:00 #4boltmainsok 5:00
I had a factory fitted 302 Cleveland Australian Ford Falcon, the best thing I ever did was fit a 351C crank and rods and a Crane cam, turned a yawn engine into a woohoo engine
John Goss coupe came out from factory with Australian 302 cleavland block casting which has thicker/more metal everywhere ! Also cleavlands the thermostat housing bolts to the block not the inlet manifold
302C was just a 351 with a short stroke and long rods. It was nothing more than a penny pincher by Ford Australia. Blocks were exactly the same.
Rubbish reporting.
302 Cleveland is an Australian version off the 351 Cleveland Australia manufactured its own engines in Geelong Australia yes it was originally a American design but only Australia made 302 Cleveland engines
Ford Australia developed the 302 version of the 351 Ceveland, simply to avoid paying Australian Government import duties on 302W engines that were not built in Australia. The 351C was.
The regulations at the time required 80% locally made content in Australian made cars, to avoid heavy tax penalties.
Using the locally made 302C, enabled them to avoid paying that penalty and keep the prices of their locally built cars down, so they could remain price competitive with GM Holden, who made all their engines, from 4 cyl, 6cyl and 8cyl in Australia.
The Cleveland was not a Windsor.
Total b/s from the start, I made under 20 sec.
302C was an Australian engine using a 351C block with a 3" stroke crank. Big heavy lump but an ok bread and butter street engine.
It has no similarity to the Boss 302 which has a version of 4V Clevo heads on the smaller physically 302 Windsor. Good spec for racing maybe but they have no bottom end as the heads are like all 4Vs way too large. Terrible engine in traffic, I have driven a near stock one,,, and it had 3.7 diff gears.
The 302C heads however work ok on a 351 making a driveable engine. Some use them on 302Ws and end up with a half decent engine
Comment 2. How come they call the 302 C a Windsor. The eng in looks very much like Windsor profile rocker covers.
The 302 was just another one of what are unofficially called Ford Windsor V8s. That included the 221, 255( early 80s only) 260, 289, 302 and 351W. Only the 351W is defined by where it was manufactured Windsor Ontario. It was also completely different design from the 351 Cleveland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_small_block_engine
Australia
Produced 1971 - 1982
302 ci - 335 Series
Deck Height 9.206"
4V style closed chambers
2V style ports
@@gk5891 You are right about the 335 production dates. I never before heard of a 302 that was built for the Australian market. I never understood why the BIG 3 had different cars for the Australian market. Adding right hand drive to existing U.S. models would have been much simpler than changing all of the sheet metal.
@@JohnZupanc Ford produced the low deck Clevelands (As opposed to 400 height) all the way to '82. It's were DeTomaso was getting their Pantera engines (that car was available long after the Mercury deal lapsed). Those closed chamber heads with 2V ports make great street heads for the Cleveland. Ford Motorsports sold them in the 80s after Australia ceased engine production.
Ford 302 Cleveland is a engine developed in Australia
If so, then why was it called a 302 Cleveland? Until seeing this video i never before heard of that engine.
I believe this video pertains to Australians and Fords made ther n@
NOPE All BS, Your all confused between the Australian "G" Cleveland and the Windsor. The "G" casting mark on the Australian Cleveland block meant the block was made in the Geelong foundry Melbourne Australia.
I'm not sure why they used a 302c in the John Goss instead of a 3514v ?
The 302c was pos boat anchor ⚓
He wanted the 351..but Ford said no..
@romemancer7905 I grew up right near McLeod Ford
302 Cleveland, 4.9
Ridiculously wrong
You couldn't make up this nonsense,but the 302 Windsor is a 302 Windsor,not a 302 Cleveland,in australia they were totally different engines
#fordblockshave4boltmainsok ❤
Sorry but your commentary is mixed up terribly.
i hate the garbage videos on our Aussie muscle cars..John Goss wanted the 351..but Ford did not want his car competing with sales of the GT !!! so he was stuck with the 302 Australian engine..
Man, you better make friends with Google,
because this video is so inaccurate it's not funny.
Only Australia made the Ford 302 Cleveland.
Like it's big brother the 351 Cleveland,
which Australia imported from the States to use in our cars,
until we started making the Cleveland out here.
This information is so easy to find.
No wonder some young people do not know jack at times,
with so much incorrect crap being on the net.
You heading did not correspond with your content … I was expecting something remarkable to be said about the 302 but I got nothing…your video was deceptive …! And the music was annoying …!
Wow I learned absolutely nothing
Baloney !
Interesting but misinformation ‼️
Rubbish
No idea what hes talking about