My 1st airplane was an Aeronca Chief `47 11AC. It was a hangar queen at KHXF for 10 yrs. I flew it 430 hrs. in 2 yrs. and replaced one mag. That 65hp continental kept on tickn`.
Another excellent episode Dan, thank you. Great info from Chelsea and John. Thank you both for sharing your experience and knowledge with us all. This is how we keep GA alive. Continuing to share knowledge and experience in all aspects. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies 🇺🇸🛩️
I’m a 3 plus year apprentice mechanic at a Service center and on the weekends a flight school and this is just top notch information. I really hope you owners or flight school guys listen to these two very qualified and informative A&P,$ / im not sure what other qualms they have but I’d hesitate a guess both might be at least IA,$ Thank you to both of you for these PEARLS of Wisdom because you both are giving it for free to US the general public and I just want to say that I have gained a lot from your presentation. I really hope others listen to this very carefully. You guys have outlined the absolute best in ways to keep that TBO way over 2k…. For you Ly co homes at least. Not sure the TBO on Conts. … 🤣
Great show ! I do remove my oil cap as soon as I shut down the engine . I also have a homemade heater that I use with temps below 80. On the coldest day the entire engine will be warm with an oil temperature of 100 deg. or better. The bad thing I do is turn my prop so it horizontal to the ground . Want do that anymore!
Thank you Chelsea, for a very informative session. What else can one hope for than exceptionally qualified aviators, an A&P mechanic, and a super host? Lessons learned from the gurus. Looking forward to many more of your presentations. Safe skies, Joe (Spain / Galveston)
Great topic, I had a chuckle when John mentioned the engine that was run for short intervals to keep it "healthy". Automotive museums used to do that and had the same results with corrosion. Thanks for the tip on the desiccant spark plugs, I'll need to pick some up for some of the vehicles I have in storage.
G,day Chelsea from Sydney Australia. I'm very impressed with the hosting "at the controls" and flying solo: In the Hanger. I am surprised about bringing oil temperature up to operational temp regularly to prevent cylinder corrosion. The expert has the evidence. 💭Did you check the oil? 🛩️
So, here is a thought. For engines that will be inactive for an extended period, what about purging the crankcase with an inert gas such as Nitrogen, Argon, or Carbon Dioxide? This would reduce or replace the oxygen in the air in the crankcase that causes rust. That may help the cam, lifters, and other exposed steel parts. Nitrogen is slightly lighter than air. Argon and Carbon Dioxide are heavier than air. These Argon and CO2 gases are available in many shops for welding, and Nitrogen is often available for servicing landing gear struts and tires. Carbon Dioxide is also available in the small CO2 containers used for some air guns, inflatable life vests, etc. Just make sure to remove any covers or plugs when putting the engine back in service. Just a thought...
True. The openings are the crankcase vent and the filler neck. Both can be covered. It might not be a perfect seal, but it could prevent or reduce the amount of oxygen that causes rust.
Thanks for the info, great episode!!! Question though, would flying say, 1 ~ 2 hours per week be leading to engine corrosion issues? In other words, how do you quantify flying enough?
If you are flying, I'm sure you are reaching a good operating temp, and also getting full circulation of oil! When you land be sure to leave the prop where it stops, pulling it through will only scrape oil from the cylinder walls creating a vulnerable surface. My answer on "flying enough" greatly depends on your location, if you're located in Arizona vs Coastal Florida. 1-2 times per week is a great number for either location really. If you're going to be in-and-out of town but still fly, just irregularly, for a period of time. ie. 4- 12 months, and you only putting 15-25 hours on the oil during that time period, you may want to consider Phillips66 preservation/ anti-corrosion 20w-50 oil. It is a Fly- Away oil so it preserves but doesn't ground the aircraft. Be mindful that it is not an ashes dispersant so if you use it for that period of inactivity or irregular activity, make sure you don't use it back to back for two consecutive oil changes. If you are not going to be flying at all for an extended period, depending on the area 4-12 months, I would consider "fogging the cylinders" and using a desiccant spark plug and/or an engine dehumidifier.
Another great episode on a topic that is important to us all. My only pet peeve is the use of the word "preventative." The correct usage is "preventive." The FAA regulations show the word spelled correctly. You are not alone, nearly everyone uses the word preventative and it has become viewed as acceptable. Keep up the good work and Chelsea, your work with Josh is fantastic. Someday I will rant about how almost everyone uses the word "bring" when most of the time the correct usage would be "take."
Warm air can "hold" more moisture and then the moisture condenses on the coldest part of the engine which I hear is the accessory gear if I remember correctly.
New pilot w old great working aircraft found this topic very useful! Also looking for a good Woman CFI like Chelsea in the Canyon Lake / SpringBranch area for my Wife do you have any contacts? Thanks!
Sorry, I have no contacts in that area, but good luck to your wife! She should go up with a few instructors and decide who she'd like to do a her lessons with. Will be fun for you two to share aviation :)
And sorry don’t mean to be rude but Mrs Smith it’s so nice to see such a beautiful well read gear head ! We don’t get out much here so it’s nice to see the better looking of the sexes represented in the A&P World. Bravo to you and all future A&P,s. Keep up the hard work. It’s tough but you can do it !
Kind of scary in a sense, investing a pile of money and time to maintain/protect an engine. We don't take good care of our own health, how can we do the same with needy aircraft engines? How do the Austra or Continental TDIs compare to the older technology engines in terms of needed pampering?
Chelsea is great host. Thx for doing this channel
Great info Chelsea and John! Thank you for this & like always Chelsea is looking gorgeous.
My 1st airplane was an Aeronca Chief `47 11AC. It was a hangar queen at KHXF for 10 yrs. I flew it 430 hrs. in 2 yrs. and replaced one mag. That 65hp continental kept on tickn`.
Great info Chelsea and John! Thank you for this.
Great episode! Very good information offered and great advice on engines!
Nice job Chelsea!!
Another excellent episode Dan, thank you. Great info from Chelsea and John. Thank you both for sharing your experience and knowledge with us all. This is how we keep GA alive. Continuing to share knowledge and experience in all aspects. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies 🇺🇸🛩️
I’m a 3 plus year apprentice mechanic at a Service center and on the weekends a flight school and this is just top notch information. I really hope you owners or flight school guys listen to these two very qualified and informative A&P,$ / im not sure what other qualms they have but I’d hesitate a guess both might be at least IA,$
Thank you to both of you for these PEARLS of Wisdom because you both are giving it for free to US the general public and I just want to say that I have gained a lot from your presentation. I really hope others listen to this very carefully.
You guys have outlined the absolute best in ways to keep that TBO way over 2k…. For you Ly co homes at least. Not sure the TBO on Conts. … 🤣
Great show ! I do remove my oil cap as soon as I shut down the engine . I also have a homemade heater that I use with temps below 80. On the coldest day the entire engine will be warm with an oil temperature of 100 deg. or better. The bad thing I do is turn my prop so it horizontal to the ground . Want do that anymore!
Thank you Chelsea, for a very informative session. What else can one hope for than exceptionally qualified aviators, an A&P mechanic, and a super host? Lessons learned from the gurus. Looking forward to many more of your presentations. Safe skies, Joe (Spain / Galveston)
Great topic, I had a chuckle when John mentioned the engine that was run for short intervals to keep it "healthy". Automotive museums used to do that and had the same results with corrosion. Thanks for the tip on the desiccant spark plugs, I'll need to pick some up for some of the vehicles I have in storage.
G,day Chelsea from Sydney Australia. I'm very impressed with the hosting "at the controls" and flying solo: In the Hanger.
I am surprised about bringing oil temperature up to operational temp regularly to prevent cylinder corrosion. The expert has the evidence.
💭Did you check the oil?
🛩️
So, here is a thought. For engines that will be inactive for an extended period, what about purging the crankcase with an inert gas such as Nitrogen, Argon, or Carbon Dioxide? This would reduce or replace the oxygen in the air in the crankcase that causes rust. That may help the cam, lifters, and other exposed steel parts. Nitrogen is slightly lighter than air. Argon and Carbon Dioxide are heavier than air. These Argon and CO2 gases are available in many shops for welding, and Nitrogen is often available for servicing landing gear struts and tires. Carbon Dioxide is also available in the small CO2 containers used for some air guns, inflatable life vests, etc. Just make sure to remove any covers or plugs when putting the engine back in service. Just a thought...
Interesting idea. Commenting so I can see some responses to this.
Engines are not airtight like a tire or strut...
True. The openings are the crankcase vent and the filler neck. Both can be covered. It might not be a perfect seal, but it could prevent or reduce the amount of oxygen that causes rust.
Thanks for the info, great episode!!! Question though, would flying say, 1 ~ 2 hours per week be leading to engine corrosion issues? In other words, how do you quantify flying enough?
Oil temperature has to get high enough to vaporize the water created by the combustion process.
If you are flying, I'm sure you are reaching a good operating temp, and also getting full circulation of oil! When you land be sure to leave the prop where it stops, pulling it through will only scrape oil from the cylinder walls creating a vulnerable surface.
My answer on "flying enough" greatly depends on your location, if you're located in Arizona vs Coastal Florida.
1-2 times per week is a great number for either location really.
If you're going to be in-and-out of town but still fly, just irregularly, for a period of time. ie. 4- 12 months, and you only putting 15-25 hours on the oil during that time period, you may want to consider Phillips66 preservation/ anti-corrosion 20w-50 oil. It is a Fly- Away oil so it preserves but doesn't ground the aircraft. Be mindful that it is not an ashes dispersant so if you use it for that period of inactivity or irregular activity, make sure you don't use it back to back for two consecutive oil changes.
If you are not going to be flying at all for an extended period, depending on the area 4-12 months, I would consider "fogging the cylinders" and using a desiccant spark plug and/or an engine dehumidifier.
Good info about engines. Will there be a part two on protecting the windows, interior, paint, tires, etcetera?
Another great episode on a topic that is important to us all. My only pet peeve is the use of the word "preventative." The correct usage is "preventive." The FAA regulations show the word spelled correctly. You are not alone, nearly everyone uses the word preventative and it has become viewed as acceptable. Keep up the good work and Chelsea, your work with Josh is fantastic.
Someday I will rant about how almost everyone uses the word "bring" when most of the time the correct usage would be "take."
Yes, and my next pet hate is 'empathetic' instead of empathic. [Not even going to 'pacifically' instead of specifically!]
When should we stop using engine prescient? Is preheating the engine When air temperatures are above freezing, bad For the engine?
Warm air can "hold" more moisture and then the moisture condenses on the coldest part of the engine which I hear is the accessory gear if I remember correctly.
New pilot w old great working aircraft found this topic very useful! Also looking for a good Woman CFI like Chelsea in the Canyon Lake / SpringBranch area for my Wife do you have any contacts? Thanks!
Sorry, I have no contacts in that area, but good luck to your wife! She should go up with a few instructors and decide who she'd like to do a her lessons with. Will be fun for you two to share aviation :)
And sorry don’t mean to be rude but Mrs Smith it’s so nice to see such a beautiful well read gear head !
We don’t get out much here so it’s nice to see the better looking of the sexes represented in the A&P
World. Bravo to you and all future A&P,s. Keep up the hard work. It’s tough but you can do it !
Kind of scary in a sense, investing a pile of money and time to maintain/protect an engine. We don't take good care of our own health, how can we do the same with needy aircraft engines? How do the Austra or Continental TDIs compare to the older technology engines in terms of needed pampering?
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You're a great host but you forgot to introduce your guest at the beginning.
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At least one of them knows what is going on...
I think they both did well!