Helinox chair zero is 1lbs. I love mine. Fits great in my packs water bottle pocket and I dont mind the extra weight because at the end of the day it's just so nice to have a comfortable place to sit.
I have used the BTR stool now on a couple of overnight trips and I find that it works just fine. I also have a small foam sit pad. I find that if I combine the two it makes for a more comfortable experience. It's not as comfortable as a chair, but it's a lot more comfortable than sitting on the ground, a rock or a log. It takes up very little room in my pack and the weight is less than any chair out there.
Another great video! Another "chair" to consider is an ultra lightweight hammock such as hummingbird or superior daylite hammock. Obviously you need trees, but has the added bonus of allowing 2 sitting/lounging positions. I think it is max comfort to weight ratio, although a little let versatile then a chair.
Absolutely agreed. Any hammock is a very nice option for sitting around and lounging, for cooking, or taking a nap. I got a lightweight hammock that I pair with a foam pad. I use the pad to place my feet on while going into and out of the hammock, and I can also sit on the pad if I ever want to just sit without having trees.
The REI Flexlite Air is very similar to the Helinox. In fact the fabric seat fits both frames. I replaced the sinkable leg tips with bigger ones made for trekking poles. Doesn't sink quite as often!
Nice vid. I just started carrying an REI featherlight chair, I love it. I don’t know how I managed without it before! And at only 15.7 oz not bad on the back!
I use my sit pad for lunch whenever I find a good log to eat. That said I use a Hummingbird hammock for a camp chair. I’m a bit too tall to comfortably get in and out of those small chairs. The hammocks let me adjust to a comfortable height and the seat pad is great when I’m not in the hammock.
I tried a helinox chair zero last October... When I got back from my backpacking trip I went directly to my local outdoor store and purchased the Big Agnes sky line UL. I believe it weighs 17 ounces and has no plastic... ITS WORTH EVERY OUNCE 😀 Thanks for the great video.
You really covered a lot of pros and cons with each chair. I've been eyeing that BTR stool and this review convinced me. Although I'm going to get the slightly taller that's 2 Oz more.
Well as you politely asked what was going on, I just finished picking up all the leaves in the garden and emptying my compost bin into the vegetable plot ,and starting a new one . It started to rain so I came in and sorted all my camping gear ready for next year ! Then I played yahtzee on zoom !
I hammock camp 95% of the time and used the hammock as a chair. Then I started with a camping stool back in the dark ages. Later I was using the folding type of chairs and finally a Helinox Chair Zero. Then I reverted back to using the hammock as a chair. Then changed to a Terrapan Outfitter Hatchling which is basically a small hammock used as a chair. The other benefit is that just before calling it a night , I can hang it under my hammock as a gear hammock. Now I really like that Better then a Rock stool , it's a vicious cycle with camping gear. lol.
Good video, thanks. FYI, REI currently has their Flexlite (1 lb. 11 oz.) and Flexlight Air (1 lb.) full folding chairs on sale, making these 2 chairs even more appealing.
I love my little trileg chair its quick to set up it sets me off the ground and is nice for doing some cooking and gets the job done if I need more comfort I lay down on my sleep mat anyway
I’m a fan of the Grand Trunk Micro Camp Stool. Here are the specs: Aluminum frame with 1680D Oxford Nylon seat fabric that won't fray or tear; Only weighs 10.5oz but holds a weight capacity of 250lbs; In use it measures 8" x 10" x 10"; Stowed in its included stuff sack it measures 12” x 6” 1.5 Not a bad little chair for the money. It does sink in soft dirt sometimes, it’s fairly low to the ground, and there isn’t a back rest, but overall I find it comfortable and easy to use.
Good overview of lightweight chairs D. Definitely food for thought... which to choose for application. I actually have 3 of these options myself... looking at that lightweight stool now... I have a need for one of them.
I use the "Nice C Kids Portable Folding Stool Ultralight Camping Chair" on amazon. Its for kids, but fits me fine. for 1/2 a pound its great! packs small too. Comfortable enough, packs small, & relatively cheap. Can't beat it.
That chair on the right? That's what I carry. It clips to my camera harness and it's so well balanced I never notice it. Clips on, clips off - then I sit and watch the birds.
The Zero is a very comfortable chair for lounging The Alite Monarch is more versatile where you can use it on very stony rock sides I mostly use a tripod stool as it is so fast to open and sit, much less fuss
In a backpacking situation a sit/kneel pad is the most I’ll take. Even in a car camping situation I’ll just sit on the knee high cord of wood. The hammock or tent is for the real deal relaxing.
Good video. Good Collection of backpacking chairs. I started with a 3 x 3 piece of tarp and from there I went into The Alite mayfly backpacking chair and from there to the Grand trunk Micro stool and from there to a 3 x 3 Close cell foam that I accordion it. Which one is your favorite? How much does it weigh? How much did it cost? Thank you so much for sharing the video. God bless you.
REI carries a Mountain Summit Gear Stadium Seat that's 1lb. and $20. You should loosen the side straps on that crazy creek chair and it would be much more comfortable.
I got the Alite Monarch on clearance at REI and it is sweet. Much easier to balance than you might think. Works good for me because I am hardly even in flat ground and the 2 feet can work on inclines unlike 4 feet. Unfortunately I think Alite is out of business.
Dude I see your rockn those LaSportiva Lycans...I have the same Bushidos you had but they are a little tight in the toes even a full size up. What do I think of the Lycans in comparison? I love the bushidos, but need a replacement and have looked at these for day hikes and multi day lightweight backpacking trips.
Literally just got home from a super rocky and rugged 18 mile loop with 3200’ of gain. Took the Lycan’s with and after a long day of walking over boulders and carrying a pack you can feel more through the shoe than with the bushidos. The bushidos are stiffer than the lycan. I really did love the lycans though.
Backcountry Exposure thanks a ton for the info! I couldn’t find any serious reviews out there from backpackers...all runners or all in Spanish. Cheers man! I can’t wait to see your video of this 18 mike trek...I’m planning on a few nights and 25 miles with just me and my Border Collie doggy up in New Hampshire in a few weeks. You have always been a huge help when it comes to selecting gear and making choices. I’m not a super UL guy, but am on the same leg as you. Thanks for all your help.
I'm a fairly big guy (6'2", 225 lbs) so an extra pound isn't a big deal for me and upper limits on backpacking chairs matter to me. I carry a 2.5 lb Trekology Yizi Go chair when backpacking. Stools are for resting, not lounging. Sit pads are for minimalists, which I am not. I love my chair. I did invest in the foot pad to keep it from sinking into the ground. At the end of a 20+ mile day, it's dreamy and totally worth the extra weight.
I’m 6’2” myself and I’ve had difficulty getting in and out of the backpack chairs. I ended up just using a Hummingbird hammock or just a seat pad with my legs crossed.
I bought the BTR 14” stool last summer and after roughly three dozen uses it gave out under me. The “phantom” lock in one of the legs does not lock anymore, rendering the stool a pack of scrap. I loved the practicality of it for cooking and the light weight but...it wound up in the useless gear box.🤨
I have the rei flash clone of the heliox. Its my go to for backpacking, camping, kids sports games, parades, festivals jam a blanket in with the chair good to go. 👍🏼 I like the stools telescopic legs, weight capacity, or durability?
The trip obviously dictates the type of seating that makes sense. For thru-hiking a sitpad on the ground leaning against my pack against a rock/tree/log makes the perfect makeshift chair. Shorter trips that evolve more time around camp, fishing or day hiking from a base camp, a chair might make more sense. Crazy creek doesn't make sense for the weight to comfort ratio.
My issue is not really the bulk. My issue is getting in and out of these things without rolling on the ground lol. Way too low to the ground for someone 6’2”.
Great review, as usual! I won’t go out without my chair zero. Have you done a trail runner review? I notice you aren’t an altra guy like so many of us are these days.
I purchased 2 CLIQ chairs from CLIQ on May 25, 2022. One chair came missing a pin. Emailed CLIQ, few days later, I get a response asking for my address and how many screws I needed to repair the chair. I demanded a new replacement holding CLIQ responsible for their written policy on refunding or replacing broken or damaged product. I received a replacement. NOW, the plastic caps on the back legs of the replacement chair is breaking off. I sent email to CLIQ on 7/5/22. Sent photos requested. No response from CLIQ even after sending several messages. Just sent email to "Holly" on 7/8/22.
Helinox 0 is sweet ,I use it for bikepacking ,price sucks but at 520 grm it's packable and light .I'm 230 lbs and it works but doesn't feel the most sturdy with my weight yet I feel comfortable. .oh and I waited till I got a good sale price 93 CND 👍 couldn't bring myself to pay 160. $ lol
Frost Outdoor Adventures and Reviews definitely not useless. It’s surprisingly comfortable and you don’t really even notice that it’s not a four legged chair. It also doesn’t sink into soft ground as easy. Don’t knock it till you try it. 😜
With the helinox, I cut the bottoms of pop cans and use them as sink preventers. Works great, light weight, and they pack stacked and very small
Thats genius! i always have that problem with my hunting stool, the legs just sink right into the ground lol
Thank you!
Helinox chair zero is 1lbs. I love mine. Fits great in my packs water bottle pocket and I dont mind the extra weight because at the end of the day it's just so nice to have a comfortable place to sit.
It really does make a difference being able to kick back and relax!
I have used the BTR stool now on a couple of overnight trips and I find that it works just fine. I also have a small foam sit pad. I find that if I combine the two it makes for a more comfortable experience. It's not as comfortable as a chair, but it's a lot more comfortable than sitting on the ground, a rock or a log. It takes up very little room in my pack and the weight is less than any chair out there.
What size stool did you get?
Another great video! Another "chair" to consider is an ultra lightweight hammock such as hummingbird or superior daylite hammock. Obviously you need trees, but has the added bonus of allowing 2 sitting/lounging positions. I think it is max comfort to weight ratio, although a little let versatile then a chair.
Absolutely agreed. Any hammock is a very nice option for sitting around and lounging, for cooking, or taking a nap. I got a lightweight hammock that I pair with a foam pad. I use the pad to place my feet on while going into and out of the hammock, and I can also sit on the pad if I ever want to just sit without having trees.
The REI Flexlite Air is very similar to the Helinox. In fact the fabric seat fits both frames. I replaced the sinkable leg tips with bigger ones made for trekking poles. Doesn't sink quite as often!
Nice vid. I just started carrying an REI featherlight chair, I love it. I don’t know how I managed without it before! And at only 15.7 oz not bad on the back!
I have seen a lot of Helinox chairs on the weekend trips as of late. I’m still rocking the sit pad while leaning against a tree 😂🙃
I use my sit pad for lunch whenever I find a good log to eat.
That said I use a Hummingbird hammock for a camp chair. I’m a bit too tall to comfortably get in and out of those small chairs. The hammocks let me adjust to a comfortable height and the seat pad is great when I’m not in the hammock.
I tried a helinox chair zero last October... When I got back from my backpacking trip I went directly to my local outdoor store and purchased the Big Agnes sky line UL. I believe it weighs 17 ounces and has no plastic... ITS WORTH EVERY OUNCE 😀 Thanks for the great video.
Why did you switch?
It was my cousins chair and he wouldn't give it too me 😀, and I liked the Big Agnes because there wasn't plastic in the design like the helinox.
But either one is worth having after a day of hiking and then sitting in around a good camp fire.
You really covered a lot of pros and cons with each chair. I've been eyeing that BTR stool and this review convinced me. Although I'm going to get the slightly taller that's 2 Oz more.
Thanks for sharing all the chairs with us. That stool looks really cool and for 12oz, wow!
It really is awesome!
Which the stool’s brand?
Why is it that every time I watch one of your videos the next minute I am on Amazon shopping! 🤣🤣 #gearaddict
Dan Becker I have that influence on people! 😜
Don't feel bad Dan he does it to me as well. Drives my wife crazy lol
Dan Becker so true eh
Me too
Dan, you’ve cost me a lot of money as well!
Interesting stool sample.
Well as you politely asked what was going on, I just finished picking up all the leaves in the garden and emptying my compost bin into the vegetable plot ,and starting a new one . It started to rain so I came in and sorted all my camping gear ready for next year ! Then I played yahtzee on zoom !
I hammock camp 95% of the time and used the hammock as a chair. Then I started with a camping stool back in the dark ages. Later I was using the folding type of chairs and finally a Helinox Chair Zero. Then I reverted back to using the hammock as a chair. Then changed to a Terrapan Outfitter Hatchling which is basically a small hammock used as a chair. The other benefit is that just before calling it a night , I can hang it under my hammock as a gear hammock. Now I really like that Better then a Rock stool , it's a vicious cycle with camping gear. lol.
Good video, thanks. FYI, REI currently has their Flexlite (1 lb. 11 oz.) and Flexlight Air (1 lb.) full folding chairs on sale, making these 2 chairs even more appealing.
My hammock chair is the best. You can sit in it lay in it etc......
Great little detail on the sinking into the ground with helinox style chairs. Thanks!
Go to a pet store and find the smaller tennis balls. They work great on my Helinox chair.
I wish that I knew about that when I walked The Rideau Trail. I wrenched my back, and had to live with it.
I’ve been in the market for a chair, and was more or less ruling out the 4 leg chairs for weight reasons, now the flex lite is top of my list!
That stool has my interest!
i've picked up Helinox One and Zero today to decide which one I like best.
I love my little trileg chair its quick to set up it sets me off the ground and is nice for doing some cooking and gets the job done if I need more comfort I lay down on my sleep mat anyway
I’m a fan of the Grand Trunk Micro Camp Stool. Here are the specs:
Aluminum frame with 1680D Oxford Nylon seat fabric that won't fray or tear; Only weighs 10.5oz but holds a weight capacity of 250lbs; In use it measures 8" x 10" x 10"; Stowed in its included stuff sack it measures 12” x 6” 1.5
Not a bad little chair for the money. It does sink in soft dirt sometimes, it’s fairly low to the ground, and there isn’t a back rest, but overall I find it comfortable and easy to use.
Good overview of lightweight chairs D. Definitely food for thought... which to choose for application. I actually have 3 of these options myself... looking at that lightweight stool now... I have a need for one of them.
BIG AL from Mi. Jump on their kickstarter!
Thanks for the video. Interesting. I have a Trekology chair, the same as the Helinox but it weighs 2lbs and is quite bulky.
For the very first time I bought a z-seat, been out 5 or 6 times and always forget it at home 🙄. Nice video!
I love my piece of blue tarp! Cheap, light and waterproof.
I would appreciate it if u would give the weight rating of the chairs, ie... how much weight can they handle?
I use the "Nice C Kids Portable Folding Stool Ultralight Camping Chair" on amazon. Its for kids, but fits me fine. for 1/2 a pound its great! packs small too.
Comfortable enough, packs small, & relatively cheap. Can't beat it.
Great video. Ive got to pick up a chair for my next trip, good that you showed the multiple designs that are out there with pros and cons.
My whole thing is back support, well worth the inconveniences for me
Nice video. Thanks. What is the make of the last chair you reviewed. The 4 legged one. There is no link in your description.
It's not a chair without a back so I'm loving my Helinox Chair Zero.
😁👊🏻
Spring 2020?!?! The waiting just might do me in! I want it now!
Chris Young it’ll be worth it!
That chair on the right? That's what I carry. It clips to my camera harness and it's so well balanced I never notice it. Clips on, clips off - then I sit and watch the birds.
With the helinox chair I use cheap tennis balls with a small hole cut in them they work great on soft mud etc (bargain store dog tennis balls )
The Zero is a very comfortable chair for lounging
The Alite Monarch is more versatile where you can use it on very stony rock sides
I mostly use a tripod stool as it is so fast to open and sit, much less fuss
I agree I have a stool are a sit pad that’s enough
In a backpacking situation a sit/kneel pad is the most I’ll take. Even in a car camping situation I’ll just sit on the knee high cord of wood. The hammock or tent is for the real deal relaxing.
stonedape420 that’s often my choice too, but sometimes I like to lounge it up a bit!
I always use a zlite mat folded up. Works pretty good!
Good video. Good Collection of backpacking chairs. I started with a 3 x 3 piece of tarp and from there I went into The Alite mayfly backpacking chair and from there to the Grand trunk Micro stool and from there to a 3 x 3 Close cell foam that I accordion it. Which one is your favorite? How much does it weigh? How much did it cost? Thank you so much for sharing the video. God bless you.
I have found that using dog tennis balls (smaller than normal) works great on the feet of my Helinox chair.
That's a nice little lightweight chair! For now I'm still using my Dutch sit pad, but a chair would be nice.
The Dutch pad is cool!
Man i am looking at that BTR stool that you just got, i am needing a chair for camping.
It’s really nice!
The stool looks sweet.
Lisa Ray for sure!
REI carries a Mountain Summit Gear Stadium Seat that's 1lb. and $20. You should loosen the side straps on that crazy creek chair and it would be much more comfortable.
I got the Alite Monarch on clearance at REI and it is sweet. Much easier to balance than you might think. Works good for me because I am hardly even in flat ground and the 2 feet can work on inclines unlike 4 feet. Unfortunately I think Alite is out of business.
I always wish I had knee pads whenever I go backpacking. Sitting on a rock or log has always been good enough.
What is your Salomon name?
Nice presentation Dev! I got sent a similar chair. I'll have to show you one day.
Dude I see your rockn those LaSportiva Lycans...I have the same Bushidos you had but they are a little tight in the toes even a full size up.
What do I think of the Lycans in comparison? I love the bushidos, but need a replacement and have looked at these for day hikes and multi day lightweight backpacking trips.
Literally just got home from a super rocky and rugged 18 mile loop with 3200’ of gain. Took the Lycan’s with and after a long day of walking over boulders and carrying a pack you can feel more through the shoe than with the bushidos. The bushidos are stiffer than the lycan. I really did love the lycans though.
Backcountry Exposure thanks a ton for the info! I couldn’t find any serious reviews out there from backpackers...all runners or all in Spanish.
Cheers man! I can’t wait to see your video of this 18 mike trek...I’m planning on a few nights and 25 miles with just me and my Border Collie doggy up in New Hampshire in a few weeks.
You have always been a huge help when it comes to selecting gear and making choices. I’m not a super UL guy, but am on the same leg as you. Thanks for all your help.
Anybody else start having flashbacks when he said "Spring 2020"? Little did he know...
I'm a fairly big guy (6'2", 225 lbs) so an extra pound isn't a big deal for me and upper limits on backpacking chairs matter to me. I carry a 2.5 lb Trekology Yizi Go chair when backpacking. Stools are for resting, not lounging. Sit pads are for minimalists, which I am not. I love my chair. I did invest in the foot pad to keep it from sinking into the ground. At the end of a 20+ mile day, it's dreamy and totally worth the extra weight.
I’m 6’2” myself and I’ve had difficulty getting in and out of the backpack chairs. I ended up just using a Hummingbird hammock or just a seat pad with my legs crossed.
Man, I'm liking that Firstlite Hoodie
None Ya that’s the Sawtooth Hoody! So so good!
Use raquetballs for the ground legs. You won't sink! Store in bag.
I bought the BTR 14” stool last summer and after roughly three dozen uses it gave out under me. The “phantom” lock in one of the legs does not lock anymore, rendering the stool a pack of scrap. I loved the practicality of it for cooking and the light weight but...it wound up in the useless gear box.🤨
Warranty that thing!!
Do you think having a comfortable chair make you take the extra miles or prevent you from going because it's so comfortable?
I have the rei flash clone of the heliox. Its my go to for backpacking, camping, kids sports games, parades, festivals jam a blanket in with the chair good to go. 👍🏼 I like the stools telescopic legs, weight capacity, or durability?
Jowen19831 I like the underquilt that REI made for the flash!
265lbs and super durable. It’s really well made.
Helinox chair $119 + tax at REI. Blue tarps much cheaper. Nice piece of equipment though.
Watched all
Great video, thank you.
Great fun video
I'm 250lbs. I'm disabled. Which backpacking chair is best and safe.
The trip obviously dictates the type of seating that makes sense. For thru-hiking a sitpad on the ground leaning against my pack against a rock/tree/log makes the perfect makeshift chair. Shorter trips that evolve more time around camp, fishing or day hiking from a base camp, a chair might make more sense. Crazy creek doesn't make sense for the weight to comfort ratio.
I love my Alite Monarch for half the price of the Helinox and I'll take the extra 4 oz. in exchange for not sinking in to the ground!
What about the mountainsmith sling back chair? It weighs less than 5 oz.. I used it this past weekend and it was awesome!
aaron mulcahy that’s another good ground chair option.
How about the folding stool?
What would you recommend for us that are on the uh, lardo side, for sitting around camp?
My issue is not really the bulk.
My issue is getting in and out of these things without rolling on the ground lol. Way too low to the ground for someone 6’2”.
Looks like I need a chair for my load out now. Camp chairs have come along way
Z0MB13Redfield totally! Nice to have a lot different options.
Whats the name of that indoor rock place you've talked about before. Sounds like a fun thing to try after my surgery at Utah University
Momentum Indoor Climbing!
Great review, as usual! I won’t go out without my chair zero. Have you done a trail runner review? I notice you aren’t an altra guy like so many of us are these days.
JK is Hiking nope don’t like Altra. I have little tiny princess feet. La Sportiva is my go to.
@@BackcountryExposure I promise...I won't judge your feet.
Great run through brother!
Rockin' that First Lite layer! ; ]
And then there is the great Australian icon, the goon cushion...
Is that a wine bag? 👍🇬🇧 🇦🇺
The three legged chair works perfect for my height. I’m 4 ft 11 inches and I sit very confirtably
It's a dream! Mine clips to my camera harness and I never notice it. I sit bird watching for _hours_ on this thing and never notice it.
I purchased 2 CLIQ chairs from CLIQ on May 25, 2022. One chair came missing a pin. Emailed CLIQ, few days later, I get a response asking for my address and how many screws I needed to repair the chair. I demanded a new replacement holding CLIQ responsible for their written policy on refunding or replacing broken or damaged product. I received a replacement. NOW, the plastic caps on the back legs of the replacement chair is breaking off. I sent email to CLIQ on 7/5/22. Sent photos requested. No response from CLIQ even after sending several messages. Just sent email to "Holly" on 7/8/22.
Helinox 0 is sweet ,I use it for bikepacking ,price sucks but at 520 grm it's packable and light .I'm 230 lbs and it works but doesn't feel the most sturdy with my weight yet I feel comfortable. .oh and I waited till I got a good sale price 93 CND 👍 couldn't bring myself to pay 160. $ lol
I agree the price on those is up there. But of all the chairs you could buy, it's the one to get.
What is the weight capacity of that stool?
265 😁
Great video! Is the stool 14” or 17”?
That's the smaller stool.
am one of those guys who get lazy/likes to sit on a chair and just let my blood cool off , and fall asleep. what you recommend?
What are those sunglasses
Columbia frames with prescription lenses
Just make the last chair with flat feet and it won't sink into the ground. I have the REI version and it bugs the crap out of me.
Thant stool chair so early looking review...
great vid
how tall are you?
The Big Agnes chair goes for $109 + tax and weighs almost 2 lbs (28 oz.)
I just ordered a Helinox zero chair, said fuk the price so we'll see how good it is when it gets here
Well done review. Good to see the pros and cons of the different types of seating all in one place. But seated fishing? I draw the line there! ;-)
Stool
Richard Stewart 👍🏻
That inflatable klymit sit pad is pretty unreliable. I got one and it has never held air for longer than a couple minutes.
Opinion on the Cliq chair?
Meh
Backcountry Exposure thanks
Chair zero hands down
As a heavier dude, a good chair is hard to find
Mulibex
Can't believe you forgot you hammock chair
I did consider adding it, but didn’t want to complicate it. 😜
Just ordered a Chair One for only $54. I'm on a bike, so the extra weight isn't noticeable. Animals sit on the ground.
All the chair will sink to sand not only helinox style chair
Y the hell are they always so low in possible too get up,not everyone is 20 yrs old
Ha you have a stool that you're supposed to push in.
The balance chair is just useless. IMO. Like what’s the point?
Frost Outdoor Adventures and Reviews definitely not useless. It’s surprisingly comfortable and you don’t really even notice that it’s not a four legged chair. It also doesn’t sink into soft ground as easy. Don’t knock it till you try it. 😜
Stools are handy. They are not chairs.