I think I found the new KING of camp chairs
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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Best chair for backpacking. Ultralight chair. Small chair. Chair that can fit in a backpack. Nemo Moonlite elite backpacking and camping chair.
Once again…. I FINALLY bite the bullet and buy the Helinox for 5 backpack setups, and you find something better. You’re killing me, Larry!😂🤣
The helinox is an amazing chair!!
Helinox is good brand. Ive had my chairs since 2016 and still going strong.
Don't get caught up with the backpacking arms race.
I know with all the gear channels these days it's hard to not feel like you're missing out. But when it's a marginal difference and you've already paid a lot of money for what is still a great product.. don't bother!
I know I say that and I haven't always done the same, we've all been there 😅
RIGHT !?!? I just bought the Helinox last month.
😂
The REI Flexlite Air should be in the conversation. I think it’s actually a smidge lighter than the Helinox. Mine is still going strong!
And it’s half the cost
Yep
Not built as well. My sons REI broke my Helinox still going strong
As far as I can tell, they don't have a high back version.
Complete deal breaker for me.
I read the plastic connector breaks a lot
I am still using my Thermarest sling that my sleeping pad goes into. It is probably 25 years old and still doing just fine. I like that I can use it in my tent or outside. These chairs don’t work inside a tent to play cards or read while it is raining. I don’t mind sitting on the ground, plus it has insulation under my bum, these don’t. I’ll keep rocking the old school way.
Gold dust mate
I just checked both chairs and the seat height for the NEMO is 1.5" higher than the Helinox Chair Zero. I've had the Chair Zero for several years and love it but I love my NEMO products and am now considering getting this for several reasons based on your review. Thanks for pointing out the differences, Dan and Emmett! 😁
I was literally just starting my search for a camp chair. Blessings brother! Thank you!
I have a cheap version of this chair for $25 on Amazon. It's lasted 10 years so far through multiple beach and camping trips. Why anyone would spend $130-$150 for an aluminum camping chair is beyond me.
My Man ! that's what i'm saying .. these companies are straight crack smokers
I bought the Ozark trail hiking chair clearance out at Walmart for $11. It's heavier than those chairs but it's comfy and you just can't beat the price compared to weight when doing just a few trips a year. It's nice to start seeing companies getting into these other gadgets
Same. What a bargain! I bought a no name base for mine and have carried it wrapped like this one for about 3yrs.
Funny.. as I have been reading about this "Moonlite Elite" version for months as I've been using the original Moonlite chair for years and absolutely love it!! So just returned from REI (really!) and brought my current Moonlite chair to compare them side by side.... First of all the "Elite" is narrower with a slightly shorter back and the tubing is smaller... leaving my sitting in the "Elite" experience not as confrontable as the regular Moonlite at all!... BTW im 6' 210 Lbs.. Your example of the "Snapped" pole concerns me for longevity vs the regular as the poles are way more robust..... Soooo I'm sticking with what I already have.. to save weight I don't pack the case.. Just my $.02
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I tried both at REI myself to see how the elite compared to the original moonlite chair. I have to agree that I prefer the original, but I do like that they made a lighter version for those that prefer something like that. I might have liked the elite better if I was skinnier, but I think for now, I'm willing to stick with a heavier chair since that's more comfortable for me. Plus, I don't feel like it's as likely to break on me.
Have used the Helinox Chair Zero for years. LOVE IT. The downside is when on soft ground (sand, mud, etc) it can sink in. Never used the pad for it. I camped with it many times in Anza Borrego (San Diego). It's super lightweight and comfy. This Nero Moonlite Elite looks good though.
This chair definitely peaks my interest. I do worry about how the adjustment cords will hold up over time. I use the Chair Zero L because it has a slightly higher load capacity because I’m a more plump man and I really like it.
Look into the Big Agnes Skyline UL. Rated to 275 lbs & has a 15” seat height, which I LOVE.
Mine came today! I definitely like it! It is a small chair. Takes a little time sitting in it to figure out the most comfortable ways to sit in it.
Gotta check out that Big Agnes Skyline UL chair. Sits much higher and really comfy.
Will do!!
That’s the one I have & like that it’s higher so easier to get out of & it fits in the motorcycle saddle bag. I thought I’d use it for a thru hike if the AT but have decided against the weight for a Nemo z pad.
@@sheilahenry7279I don’t think I’d take a chair on a thru hike either.
Holding out for a high back version 😬
You have the best BY FAR videos I watch. Not only informative they are hilarious.
Nemo makes amazing products. The dual purpose wrap case/bottom support is the key to the chair. I carry five chairs in my truck. Two camp chairs, two beach chairs, and a mid weight hiking chair. This chair does it all.
That background noise is actually nice, it lends credence. So much better than the noise of so-called UA-cam music... Great video...
The Anakin Skywalker moment was hilarious.
The Helinox chair zero sand mat is very important for soft ground use.
I use mine every time as it will prevent the legs from spreading and getting damaged.
Guy came in asking what to get because he had broken his Helinox twice, showed him this, and instantly fell in love with it. Having a skirt and weighting 1 lbs. 2 oz. is killer. I was thinking of getting the skirt for my helinox but have now decided to purchase, the moonlight elite. As soon as I sell my Helinox, lol discounted, of course.
How the hell did he manage to break his Chair Zero? He must be well over the chairs weight limit of 120kg...
We grabbed some kilos gear high backed chairs when I was looking for light weight chairs for our Jeep. We lived in them for 6 weeks in tropical North Queensland.
Shocked at how comfy and durable they are. 3 years later we still have not used our old large traditional camp chairs!
Hiking gear has been a revelation to our travelling kit.
Wow.. Very cool, like the light weight and back angle adjustability, but a bit pricey for Sure.
I just got this Lil 2lb mesh chair on Amazon for 34$ and it is pretty comfortable 👌
Maybe not 180$ comfortable.. but works for now.
Thanks for all your Great Videos. 👍
I’ve loved my moonlight chair, so much I bought another one for my wife. They’re the heavier ones but they are so comfortable! Can’t wait to try the new one.
After your review, I've decided to try this new chair, but I'll be waiting until it's sold somewhere besides REI.
I love nemo and they 100% back their products. I had the nemo stargazer chair for years and the seams one day ripped. Nemo replaced the entire chair by sending me the newer version! I have the original moonlite but am most likely going to pick this new one up too. Their products and it'd quality never disappoint!
Finally! A chair that comes with the ground cloth! Good ole nemo.
Chair Zero has one too you can get.
@@vancey6072 yeah, but as an extra. I like the dual purpose wrap and cloth idea.
@@sonorangaming449 The Zero's Pad also wraps around the chair just like the Nemo to serve as a stuff sack. And yes... it's an extra cost but at least you have the option NOT to get it and save $30 unlike the Nemo. If you do get it, it's the same overall cost. I had high hopes for the Elite chair but after using them both side by side I concluded Helinox has nothing to worry about.
The base is a very nice feature. I am a heavy guy and I have own home made ones to avoid sinking into snow, sand, mud, etc.
I have only ever used the Helinox and agree it’s an amazing chair! I like what I see in the Nemo and will be trying it! Thanks for the “comparison!” 😂
I've tried several backpacking chairs, and gave up and went retro with an old-fashioned aluminum and web lawn chair. They are surprising lightweight. Yes I look like a hillbilly goofball with it strapped to my pack but it is sooo comfortable when you get where you're going. Check one out! Check out the weight of those old lawn chairs.
😂😂😂 now that’s HYOH & I’d love to see a picture. Good for you to be different
I wanted to love this chair so badly, but I was sadly disappointed in the Elite. My Chair Zero and the regular Moonlite are far more comfortable to me…😢
The thing is, like Dan, I initially felt like the Elite was more comfortable than the Chair Zero, but then I spent hours sitting in them both while working and got uncomfortable far quicker in the Elite, unfortunately.
The Elite seems more well built and looks awesome. It is also more stable. I love the case idea too. The lounge toggle seems cool in theory, but I found that it doesn’t lock very well and slowly leans back over time when in upright mode. This wouldn’t be a big deal if the back of the chair didn’t dig into my shoulder blades so much.
Overall, it’s a cool chair, but I still think the Chair Zero takes the crown 👑
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR GEAR REVIEW videos!!!!
😂😂 thanks man! Let’s get out on trail!!
It's not just the mud. It's the sand. Camping on the beach, the mat is non-negotiable.
And the snow :)
This chair is comfy for my small dog to nap on my lap after a summit hike
The base cover is essential at the beach. We pack travel chairs on vacation to the Caribbean due to having to take a plane and finding remote beaches with no chairs. Works great in sand as long as you have the pad....
I bought one about a year ago, it’s a great chair ! It was an early model with a larger mesh seat the only problem was bugs biting through the mesh , putting a sweatshirt over the chair solved that !
Sat in it at REI yesterday and love it. I too have used the Helinox for several years. I too felt like I was sitting higher which made it easier to get out of. Saving up and waiting for my REI rebate to snag one. 👍👍👍
The Nemo is not higher. I have both. Tape measure doesn't lie.
@@vancey6072 Thanks for the data. Mine was totally subjective.
Heck ya I'm glad to see you made it out to the Superstition this year. Phoenix native and love having it as my back yard. Love the work and thanks for all the info over the years.
My wife loves her OG Moonlight. I LOVE NEMO products, but I’ve continued to prefer my odd duckling Big Agnes Skyline UL chair. For me, the 15” seat height makes a HUGE difference after multiple miles/hours sitting in my sit-inside kayak, for multi-day, overnight trips.
The pad is useful in the mud, and maybe essential on sand. Nice chair but still a bit too pricey for many people.
Dan, how come you never mention the REI Flexlite? The Flexlite is 2 oz lighter than the Nemo and $79 cheaper. Its always been cheaper than the Helinox.
Yep
I can’t speak for Dan but I tried the Flexlight found it tippy (side to side). The Moonlight and Helinox seem much more stable to me.
Because the flexlite sucks… you sit right inbetween the support bars and you feel it in your butt
I prefer the flexlite over the zero. I paid $65 for mine when they went on sale.
@@loonytik25 I paid only $10 more than that for my Moonlight. Most things go on sale for those who wait and watch.
If you think of it as a lifetime chair, the cost is not out of line at all. Plus half the men I know are heavier than 225 lbs
After collecting backpacking gear for quite a few yearsamd am satified with the gear I own, this is the only item I think I really want.
For me it's the helinox ground chair as it doesn't sink away in the ground.
I find that it helps a lot in finding a level spot to take off my progressive bifocal glasses. It's better to see blurry than to have everything warped.
I day hike. I stop then move often. I had a 1lbs. Helinox Zero. But now I carry a 6 lbs $10 beach chair I bought at a grocery store. I miss the light Helinox but my beach chair folds and unfolds in seconds and with no struggle. I'd pay $$ for one a much lighter one that unfolds as easily as my grocery store chair. It being 4' long is not a problem.
Just like what @randalwilliams stated. The new Moonlite Elite chair is narrower than the original Moonlite chair, both in the back and the seat. I have both chairs and when sitting down in the Elite. The chair squeezes my legs and the two poles will dig into my back. I really wanted to love the new Elite chair and was hoping to save some weight for backcountry hikes. Unfortunately, the new Elite is not comfortable and am thinking about returning it. I'm 5' 10' and about 215lbs. If you're overweight, don't get this chair. It's really made for thinner/petite individuals. If you're not worried about the weight of the chair. I strongly recommend the original Moonlite chair. It's very comfortable for heavy set people and cost less. Time to lose weight. :/
the bottom pad also (sometimes) helps keep the chair stable enough to sit on when the ground is very uneven, since it provides tension at more angles
The "pad," used to increase the ground contact surface area, can be used in snow, sand and other loose ground, not just mud.
Mountainsmith Slingback. 5 oz, completely underrated. I throw mine on top of a log or rock with a sit pad underneath and don’t miss being that close to the ground *at all*.
I gained some weight over the past 5 years, and moved back to the Helinox Chair One from the Chair Zero, as the Chair One supports past 260lbs. If I was looking for a new chair, and I lost some lbs, the reclining chair could be a nice option.
Yeah, I weight a tad over the limit for this chair, so I think I'll stick to my Crazy Creek chair for now.
My Therm-a-rest Uno Chair traveled the world with me for almost 10years, big people threw themselves in, used it everywhere and as a main chair on the road. It was on sale and I'm still looking for a spair one,even though it's still in very good shape
Ground pad isn't just mud, sand and loose surface it holds the legs at the right spacing avoiding the breakage of the limbs.
totally agree, we got the cheaper Nemo Moonlite and it's awesome ! The Elite may worth the extra money if used on the beach or for long hikes, being more lightweight. We don't use a chair in those scenarios. I would say the Nemo Moonlite adjustment system is probably a little easier to use the Elite's. I don't know for sure, I didn't have my hands on the Elite
I really love my Nemo Moonlite. It's so comfortable. I'm not sure I'd switch to the elite version, as I'd rather have the durability than shave a couple ounces off the weight.
I just picked one up, I’m excited to use the footprint in the sand on Wisconsin River. This should be the first year I don’t end up with my chair legs sinking all the way down.
My Nemo Moonlight is amazing! I love that I can fit it in my van or take it out on a backpacking trip. It’s definitely space and weight conscious and super comfortable
I loved the original REI Flexlite, which was mesh, before they changed it to solid fabric with slits (which like the Helinox's, make your butt stick out, ugh, and your keys fall out) but this looks mighty fine.
And it's not entirely heavier, since you have the option to leave the anti-sink matt behind. It you add Helinox's matt, the total is competitive.
The adjustability is appealing. When i wear out my Flexlite, or want to give a chair as a gift, there's now a mesh option.
Thanks!
Those ground pads are great in sandy or moist ground. And it allows for a bit of storage too. Woods made one with the ground pad but it probably weight 5x more.
This with a high back would be next level good. You can get the zero high back for not much more wieght. Would be keen to see a Comfort comparison between that.
I always liked (and still use) the alite butterfly chair. I like that it only had two legs and you would balance with your feet. Made it like a rocking chair. Too bad they’re not produced any more.
$180 for a chair? You guys are CraZy! I would never pay that much for so little!
I have the original Nemo moonlite. Little heavier but I love it....
The problem has always been the inherent instability. Not only front to back but even more so side to side. When the base area is smaller than the cargo area it is unstable.
Very cool chair but I’m too pleasantly plump and it digs into my back more than the regular moonlite. I also like the larger rubber feet on the regular without having to make the platform dirty.
There is also Sling Light. Rigid frame so it does not fold up into a water bottle sized package. SL does offer better head support. SL is a lower chair.
I think a company only accesses the bajillion dollars you earlier referenced when they do something novel: either a miraculous way to pack the comfort/features of a 3-5 lb chair into a 1 lb package or, more likely, achieve the ~$100 price point. This Nemo doesn't do that. It's basically a me-too product. It will capture some of the Helinox market, but not a bunch. It would appear that this new Nemo chair is very similar, if not every so slightly more comfortable, than the Helinox.
It's good to have options and people will choose Nemo over Helinox in smaller quantities. But, when all things are about the same, people probably are going to just stick with the tried-and-true Helinox. Most people won't have a great reason to switch. If you want to really grab the market, there has to be something significant ... true differentiation. Me-too features at the same price will never bring you that massive market share. Don't need an MBA to know that.
The reclining on the Nemo models is a HUGE differentiator -- they are not the same at all. I tried the Nemos and the Helinox both and it was no contest for me: I'm getting the Nemo Moonlight Elite.
Also, the fact that it is bolted in on the frame at the bottom, makes it more sturdy, hence why I think it will not break.
The sand load spreader is a game changer. I want the Nemo elite
If you are anything but skinny the Nemo chair is soooooo uncomfortable. Those rope adjusters dig into your thighs so bad.
Damn! I thought I was a king with my pillow and a rock! 49 nights solo this year and I never needed more!
As low as these chairs sit, I'm not sold that it's more comfortable than just sitting on a foam pad on the ground. The Nemo chair definitely looks nice though, can see how it would be nice if you spend a lot of time at camp, and it's a lot better designed than the helinox chair
the absurdity of a 1 lb chair being able to hold so much and be comfortable, gosh dang i'm sold
I've got an original moonlight - I'm 189cm and it's super comfy. Highly recommend.
👍 nemo is trying to improve gears but the previous one is better. The new one, the string on both arms are very comfortable. So many options for Helinox but only a few are sold in the US.
My first Helonix Zero lasted 4.5 years of heavy use, the new one is 3. I'll keep it thank you.
I have the previous generation/version of the Moonlite chair (with the straps not strings) and although a bit heavier, it’s ….soooo much more comfortable than Helinox.Also the NEMO frame won’t crack like your Helinox. & Lifetime Warranty. Sooo….. enjoy!
After seeing it last year I put it at the top of my list. I don’t care about a few ounces, it’s not going to make or break my trip
Mine arrived yesterday (citron as well!), and I immediately tested it, compared to the old moonlite. It is a bit shorter, but for the weight I can deal with it. Seats very similar, and it will be going with me this saturday on the bikepacking test run from Appleton to Green Bay to confirm its proper place in my kit, before the first official trip of the year. The rest of my new gear for this year arrived today, so that is all good timing!
I'm a bit skeptical about the adjusting thingie, that's just more to break but I really like being able to keep it from sinking in the mud.
If we look at it like-for-like, the chair zero with mat is 84g heavier than the nemo moonlight with their mat. Factor in the cost savings (approx $5 usd cheaper for the nemo) between the two chairs and having to buy a mat for the chair zero, it would seem to show a clear winner on specs alone. That being said, I camp for comfort and use the helinox zero high back with a comfort penalty of 672g compared with the chair zero at 531g and the nemo moonlight at 617g. These are all packed weights.
A request from the grayhairs - add an "easy to get out of" section to your chair reviews 😂 I dunno, the beefed up suspension on Helinox still has me leaning in that direction. Let's see a follow up review in a year. Also, what's with the soiled Fruit of the Loom briefs color? Eeww.
Yes, the old knees need extra help to stand up!
Not a backpacking chair but for. In camp I bought a. DoD chair that looks somewhat like those but has a higher back and adjustable legs.
So it works low as a beach chair and up to sitting at a table
I was wondering when someone was going to talk about this chair! I love this chair!!
Bought it and love it. Thank You for your always honest information.
For an ultralight chair in the 1lb range, I just can't justify paying $180. The REI Flexlite Air regularly gets discounted down to ~$65 and that is a happy medium for me. You could go even cheaper for those no name knockoff ultralight chairs for $20-30, but those are twice as heavy.
I sat in mine while I watched this review and I agree with you. GOAT.
Been using a Helonix Zero for several years and it’s still going strong. Great chair but if I was in the market for a new one, I’d give the Nemo a shot. At $180, I can’t afford to get one until my Zero dies.
Ohhhh goldilocks 🎉😂❤
Hello from Beautiful British Columbia Canada
I had a Helinox in my cart last night but decided to research one last time. 😮💨. Glad I hesitated
Already ordered one can't wait for it
I was at REI the other day and seen this chair. I was mind blown.
Sounds like a great option, might have to consider a switch.
Super excited for this chair. Hate the price, so I can’t wait for it to go on sale to pick one up!
Sat in it at REI. I have the original moonlight and it’s the most comfortable chair but it’s like 2lbs. If this one goes on sale i’ll be picking it up!
Thanks for the review. Looks like a great chair.
Helinox does sell a similar ground pad. I always bring it for support in the mud. But it's also good to throw your gloves or other small items on that you use around the fire.
I'm a big fan of the bottom pad. My girlfriend and I the helinox chairs winter backpacking, and they float really well on the snow with the pad attachment. It sure isn't light, though.
I already thought the previous version of the Moonlight was the GOAT, even at 2 pounds, because of its superior comfort. The new version looks enough like it that I’m sure it sits the same, just at less weight.
I use the helinox with the ground sheet, Ground Sheet is the most important part!!!!!! At least where/when I backpack.
Ugh, we just bought 3 of the heavier moonlite chairs for the family Christmas present... The new one looks so much better, the case as a pad would be so great in sand too!
180$😂. I have a very similar chair that is about 4 yrs old. Cost about 35$. Has a nice ground mat and phone/drink pocket on both sides. But it's not adjustable and probably heavier.
Most of my camping is either motorcycle or kayak, so weight isn't as important as size.
Thanks, nice video.
Cliq is my favorite camp chair.
One of those items that cost $10-15 to make, profit 15 times, companies love these types of items.
Doesn’t make sense for thru hiking, and for overnighters where weight isn’t much of a concern, you can get chairs that weigh 1kg but 10 times more comfortable, durable & cheaper.